A Special Place

[Guest guest]

We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are made

and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to be

nurtured into greater maturity.

 

I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to

recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt my

methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it can

become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being

awakened.

 

So I am putting it out to you. -

 

Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and vitriol

is allowed to be posted here?

 

Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?

 

Do you feel as if we should change anything?

- blessings all - chrism

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion but I believe that the the group has a good balance

and does not need any newcomer moderation . I can see from a new

members view that negative post can be confusing but I believe that

if a new member truly wants to be here they will dig a little deeper

in the post archives to see past the negativity . Just by following

the links to the kas1 website that chrism , gleno and others provide

will indeed help remove any confusion in my opinion . Just my two

coins on the subject .

[Guest guest]

While I agree with you for the most part, I remember back when I was a newbie. When I got here I was scared to death of the K and just wanted it to stop. I was already in a great deal of fear. I can guarantee you that had I witnessed one of the recent displays, I would have run through the door without opening it and never looked back.

Sarita

, "Chris_H" <chghes1 wrote:>> Just my opinion but I believe that the the group has a good balance> and does not need any newcomer moderation . I can see from a new> members view that negative post can be confusing but I believe that> if a new member truly wants to be here they will dig a little deeper> in the post archives to see past the negativity . Just by following> the links to the kas1 website that chrism , gleno and others provide> will indeed help remove any confusion in my opinion . Just my two> coins on the subject .>

[Guest guest]

At 01:04 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:

Shall there be more restrictions

on how much condemnation and vitriol

is allowed to be posted here?

I do understand that most of us who are attracted to Kundalini are

sensitive emotionally as well as psychically. I think where possible it

betters us to learn to be less sensitive, rather than to seek to

eliminate behavior that troubles us. That being said ... I have

absolutely no objection to newcomer moderation. It's a very mild

inconvenience, but you've got wonderful and quick moderators,

chances are 90% of the newcomers won't even notice they are on

moderation. I have decided to leave pretty much my entire psychicgifts

list on moderation - it doesn't seem to trouble anyone in the least.

 

Brandi

[Guest guest]

Dear Chrism,

 

Whenever there is unpleasantness and vitriol it is usually a personal

attack on you. The accusations laid at your doorstep inter alia

include issues around cults and mind control.

 

Speaking as an ex cult member, one of the central trademarks of cult

leaders and other narcissistic cult figures is the suppression (often

ruthless) of criticism against themselves. Your openness,

transparency, honesty and good humor in dealing with these attacks is

the best possible testimony against these accusations.

 

As someone who is naturally suspicious of groups like this, given my

past experiences, it was precisely this transparency of yours (and

many other things too!) which convinced me of the enormous and rarely-

encountered value of KAS1. If such vitriolic criticism is turned away

or nipped in the bud before it appears on the list, KAS1 might open

itself to suspicion and innuendo which will inevitably find some

forum in which to fester and spread its poison. The best way to deal

with these attacks is to allow them into the open and deftly deflect

them - as you have been doing till now.

 

As upsetting as these posts are to people, and as much as they lower

the tone and distract the group from what is important, perhaps there

is a case to be made for leaving things as they are.

 

With love

Reg

[Guest guest]

I don't find it unreasonable at all to modederate so that

conversations are kept on topic.

 

My thoughts,

 

Melissa

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are

made

> and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings

to be

> nurtured into greater maturity.

>

> I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to

> recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt

my

> methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it

can

> become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being

> awakened.

>

> So I am putting it out to you. -

>

> Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and

vitriol

> is allowed to be posted here?

>

> Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?

>

> Do you feel as if we should change anything?

> - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

My personal feelings are that there should be few restrictions on viewpoints and questions, but when the attacks become personal, then the person should be banned. If someone questions your methods chrism, that is one thing. If they continually disrupt the group, it's another. On the other hand, I was impressed (actually a little amazed) as to the depth and meaning of some of the responses to "smiles". I think that it really exemplified the Spiritual state of many of the members here, and that disproved the claims by Smiles more than anything else that was or could have been said. But even so, it was draining to the group, and as you said, that's really not what we're here for.

 

Blessings

Paul

 

-------------- Original message from "chrism" <>: --------------

 

We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are made and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to be nurtured into greater maturity. I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt my methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it can become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being awakened.So I am putting it out to you. - Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and vitriol is allowed to be posted here?Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?Do you feel as if we should change anything?- blessings all - chrism

[Guest guest]

<P>My feeling is let them speak their minds. & nbsp; They are brought here for a

reason, and maybe their is a lesson that they need to learn if dealt with in the

right manner. & nbsp; I am new, and it doesn't bother me other than the

hurtfullness of seeing you being attacked. & nbsp; But I know you can handle

it. & nbsp; Just my .02 cents.</P>

<P> & nbsp;</P>

<P>Regards,</P>

<P> & nbsp;</P>

<P>Sharon<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 8/5/08, chrism

<I> & lt; & gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></P>

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[Guest guest]

I came to the list explicitly seeking Kundalini, drawn by the

sitepat. Others come in time of extreme need, having unkowingly been

activated and in the midst of an experience they do not understand

that may terrify them.

 

For all of us, this is a safe haven. A sanctified place.

 

The list has a certain feel. Here are some of the highlights for me:

 

It's a safe haven

It's a place sacred to Shakti, she radiates from the list

It's a gathering place for sincere seekers

It's a place for learning to live with Kundalini

It's a place for sharing our experiences and learning from others

 

There is etiquette one employs entering and interacting in a sacred

place.

 

I don't have a problem with the moderators doing what is necessary to

protect this sanctified space.

 

There are those who would destroy what we have here. They should not

be allowed to hijack the list or degrade the beneficial aspects I

listed above.

 

Personally, I learned a lot about myself from the recent attacks --

lessons on defensiveness, anger, forgiveness and love. But I am

pretty thick-skinned and not easily driven away.

 

I particularly like the idea of initiating reversals on those who

attack, including responding with love, blessings and forgiveness.

But I don't have to do that inside this sanctified haven -- there are

plenty of opportunities in the " outside " world for me to engage this

practice. If monsters come into my house I will deal with them. But

I would not allow them entrance into a nursery or a temple.

 

If attackers want to violate the posted etiquette rules, try to

hijack the attention of the list members, and try to degrade the

ability of the list to act as a sacred space/haven for Kundalini-

active people, I don't have a problem with them being stopped at the

door -- they should be warned and then banned if they persist. If

they show that their true colors are that they wish to destroy what

we have here, they should certainly be banned.

 

I don't have a problem with a moderated group - the purpose of

moderation would be to maintain this haven.

 

Love, blessings, thanks,

 

David

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are

made

> and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to

be

> nurtured into greater maturity.

>

> I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to

> recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt

my

> methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it

can

> become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being

> awakened.

>

> So I am putting it out to you. -

>

> Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and

vitriol

> is allowed to be posted here?

>

> Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?

>

> Do you feel as if we should change anything?

> - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Reg about this.

 

I would say most people who come here and are experiencing K would

have enough discernment to know what is happening, especially sfter

the groups comments. I see these negative attack post as serving a

purpose.

 

Linda

 

 

 

, " regcorleonis "

<regcorleonis wrote:

>

> Dear Chrism,

>

> Whenever there is unpleasantness and vitriol it is usually a

personal

> attack on you. The accusations laid at your doorstep inter alia

> include issues around cults and mind control.

>

> Speaking as an ex cult member, one of the central trademarks of

cult

> leaders and other narcissistic cult figures is the suppression

(often

> ruthless) of criticism against themselves. Your openness,

> transparency, honesty and good humor in dealing with these attacks

is

> the best possible testimony against these accusations.

>

> As someone who is naturally suspicious of groups like this, given

my

> past experiences, it was precisely this transparency of yours (and

> many other things too!) which convinced me of the enormous and

rarely-

> encountered value of KAS1. If such vitriolic criticism is turned

away

> or nipped in the bud before it appears on the list, KAS1 might open

> itself to suspicion and innuendo which will inevitably find some

> forum in which to fester and spread its poison. The best way to

deal

> with these attacks is to allow them into the open and deftly

deflect

> them - as you have been doing till now.

>

> As upsetting as these posts are to people, and as much as they

lower

> the tone and distract the group from what is important, perhaps

there

> is a case to be made for leaving things as they are.

>

> With love

> Reg

>

[Guest guest]

Aw, gee, NOW you ask. LOL! I'll go with whatever is decided. At this

point I totally trust Shakti to use whatever comes for the good of all

if we surrender to it. But the newbies may not be there yet so we need

to keep them in mind.

 

Love and hug,

dhyana

 

P.S. I'm having internet problems and only get on once in a while

until they fix the lines. FYI

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are made

> and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to be

> nurtured into greater maturity.

>

> I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to

> recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt my

> methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it can

> become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being

> awakened.

>

> So I am putting it out to you. -

>

> Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and vitriol

> is allowed to be posted here?

>

> Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?

>

> Do you feel as if we should change anything?

> - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

I don't suppose this will be much help...I can see both sides of this

issue. After reading Reg's post, it made sense...ah HA! Yes. But then

seeing Sarita's I totally see how this sort of thing would send new

people screaming out the door. As one that's been here over a year

now, I see it as a personal lesson in anger management, compassion

and forgiveness as well as a reevaluation of where I am and how far

I've come, if at all. And I think I've made some progress as I didn't

jump right in and get defensive or condemning. Yet it was disturbing,

even as I sat back in silence searching my own soul, and knowing full

well that you, chrism, are quite capable in these situations and have

seen your fair share already(and it won't be the last, as you say).

So I have lessons to learn in these situations, as much as I love the

sanctity and good feelings of this group when it is in normal mode

(oh, it is such a Heaven to be able to come here and " feel " all

this!!!) still when we get a tremor like we just had and have had

before, it teaches me something about myself as well as the others I

share this space with. I have to say, you are all such wonderful

souls and I am proud to be here with you.

 

There, I didn't help much but I said what I feel.

Thank you, chrism, for being you and for all you do. And love to

everyone!

Valarie

[Guest guest]

Hi.. I feel this question can be looked at from a few perspectives.

from one perspective, everyones perspective is valuable, including

the people who make vitriolic comments. As mentioned in some earlier

posts by others, being faced with difficulty and hostility has given

me a valuable opportunity to work with our own reactions (in Zen,

they say treasure the weeds in the garden). From the perspective of

the writer of the hostile comments, I am sure her world makes sense

to her, even if it may not be congruent with our generally agreed

upon reality among the group.

 

That said, does this mean that anything is allowed under the banner

of freedom of speech? I feel all members should be open to critisism,

and we should always have a degree of doubt about ourselves, not in a

weak sense, but rather as a healthy open sense of 'is this the best

way?'..so as not to fall into complacency.

 

I do feel that we need to make some value judgements though, such

as 'love is better than hate' or 'self-responsibility is better than

blaming others'. I do understand that sometimes the lines are blurred

and we are all humans, and we are not ideal, rather, we are messy

things with all kinds of complications, so idealizing values is a

warning sign. However, we can agree that as a group, we have a

general tone or direction that we wish to head in, and that includes

compassion, care, love, communion and not divisiveness, and so on.

How then does having these directional values honor the perspectives

of someone who may be having a difficult time and who is experiencing

anger or hate and is venting it here?

 

I feel that the group then should have some guiding principles. We

have a right to decide what our guiding values are, and I feel we

have a moral responsibility to hold and support and live

that 'higher' truth ( I use the word 'higher' with caution, as I wish

to avoid higher values being hijacked for moral power plays.) We also

have a moral obligation to voice our values. So, i suggest we have

some guidelines, for example (and these are just offered as example

suggestions)

 

1. Critism needs to have some clear evidence or justification. We

need to consider critism as potentially true, yet also be willing to

reject it as false.

 

2. People have to take responsibiliy for their emotions and be self-

reflective about what they are experiencing. If they are feeling

angry or divisive, then they can share that, but not direct it at

group members without just evidence. In this way group members can

get support as they go through dark nights as pyschological garbage

emerges in the K. process.

 

3. We should commit to deeply understanding before being critical

 

3. The group values and intention is regularly communicated.

 

I feel the above points can allow us to be honest with each other,

honest with ourselves, and start to know each other better, as well

as maintaining a vision or direction for the group. Simply put, being

real while trying to go somewhere.

 

The process needs to be two ways though. If someone is unwilling to

make an effort to align themselves to the groups principles, after

the principles have been communictated to them, then they should be

removed from the group, and thats where moderators are necessary. If

they are just allowed to continue without trying to learn and grow

and understand, then it just becomes a drag on everyone.

 

thats my K. inspired 50 cents..

love

Bruce

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are

made

> and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to

be

> nurtured into greater maturity.

>

> I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to

> recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt

my

> methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it

can

> become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being

> awakened.

>

> So I am putting it out to you. -

>

> Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and

vitriol

> is allowed to be posted here?

>

> Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?

>

> Do you feel as if we should change anything?

> - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for putting that question to the group, Chrism! That has been on my mind a lot in the last few days.

 

When I first joined this group, I had NO idea what Kundalini was. All I knew was that you had suggested I join the group when I posted an unusual OBE experience I had had on the OBE Newsletter group where we are both members. I VERY reluctantly came to this group and began to look around. We didn't have a website at the time, so I had to research the other K sites on the Internet and, believe me, they did nothing to quell my fears. If it had not been for the calm, loving, and supportive atmosphere here in this group, I would have left the group immediately and never looked back. I would never have known what I was turning my back on.

 

If I had joined this group 3 or 4 days ago, when Smile Forme posted his/her infamous post, my initial experience with the group would have been unsettling. If I had stayed long enough to see Venus' posts---in light of the fear (borne of K ignorance) I had brought with me when I joined the group--I believe that I would have concluded that my fears were justified and I would have left the group.

 

I believe that many newbies join in a vulnerable, frightened state and the kind of interchange that took place here over the last few days (even though we responded with love for the most part) can be very disheartening to them. Enough to cause some to leave the group. At the very least, it would an odd dynamic for newbies to experience when they first joined the group in the throes of a frightening K awakening.

 

Bottom line: I believe that new people should be moderated. For any newbies who don't know what that means, it simply means that your posts would be reviewed by and the group moderators, who would decide whether or not to release it for posting to the group. Once it is clear that your posts are positive (basically, that they meet the KAS-1 Etiquette standard of respect to other members), then you would be taken off moderation and all of your posts would be posted automatically to the membership.

 

I think moderating newbies would help to keep the atmosphere loving and supportive and to keep us focused on the important work of K awakening.

 

MHO,

Claudia

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, chrism <> wrote:

<> A Special Place Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:04 AM

 

 

We have a special place here. A place where tender beginnings are made and a place that must resonate love for those special beginnings to be nurtured into greater maturity. I have a policy of as much freedom of speech as possible. Up to recently I feel it has worked pretty well. I know that many doubt my methods and teachings and this is ok. Yet for those who do not it can become very disruptive to the sensitivites of those that are being awakened.So I am putting it out to you. - Shall there be more restrictions on how much condemnation and vitriol is allowed to be posted here?Do you feel that we should place newcomers on automatic moderation?Do you feel as if we should change anything?- blessings all - chrism

[Guest guest]

Thank you for asking...

I agree with David - this is a sacred place - a place to receive

support/guidance. There is enough negative in our daily lives it is

nice to have a place where we can be accepted and find positive

ideas/thoughts.

 

I do not like censorship, however there are the safeties of

love,tolerance,forgiveness, trust, honesty, that we all strive

toward. These need to be followed by all here to enhance our path of

k. Being critical of ideas is one thing personally attacking the

group guide and/or the group as a whole is just not acceptable. The

old adage applies - if you do not have something nice to say - say

nothing- or if one just has to lamblast the leader - do it privately-

 

I do not like feeling the pain of disrespect/dishonor when my guide

is attacked.I, like many, feel an allegience to chrism because of all

he has freely given. His Kundalini and mine/our kundalini are

entwined. Anger, disrespect, dishonor given to him is given to

me/us. To be honest I just do not want to deal with it in this tender

stage of K- I need encouragement, positive thoughts, solid advice,

love and tolerance.

 

There are the entities to deal with, the physical pains, the

wonderment of how to live with k, the skewed looks from those outside

of k, the aloneness on this solo path, etc. Is that not enough to

handle -

 

Put new folks on moderation- check them out- give them an initial

procedures guide, have them ask ?'s of the moderators about posting

before they are allowed to post, leave this place for those truly

interested in K - as Sarita said - a new person does not need to

experience the negativity that has cropped up here way too much of

late- do not allow lamblasting of anyone to occur - if it does - bump

them off the list immediately - delete the posts so others do not

have to witness it -

 

Some students are beaten by their guides when they do not follow

protocols- bumping off the list is a type of beating - for sure they

will know we are serious about keeping this site for true k folk -

who by the by would not show anything but " love " toward another - is

not that what the Divine path is all about - LOVE???

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

 

I agree 100 percent with your take on this. Obviously there would have to be

guidelines, and there would have to be moderation to prevent ...(for instance)

someone who is completely out of control, and it is obvious that their primary

intent is to maliciously slander someone. However if they are only questioning

the integrity or character of any one single person here, I feel that is their

right to question, and it is our right to answer.

These MAY BE opportunities for us to shine and grow, " as a group. " Sometimes

this type of adversity, will actually bring everyone closer together as a

result.

Not saying that I want this to happen at all,... I am just saying that I have

enormous faith and trust in everyone here, to handle every situation

judiciously, and with the utmost grace and respect. Since first joining this

group, I have been so incredibly impressed with everyone ability to effectively

communicate, and just the overwhelming level of patience, tolerance ,

encouragement and understanding that everyone is given on a daily basis. I

have been on other boards, and this is so incredibly rare, to find this. I

don't think you could actually have these type of guidelines on most boards,

because there is almost always some sort of ongoing discord between members. I

have sometimes joked, that when reading posts elsewhere, it read like a mini

episode from Jerry Springer... :)

 

So with that said, I will gladly embrace whatever is decided. My hope would be

....that we could actually make a difference in one persons life, and possibly by

demonstrating how we deal with these types of situations, just maybe....they

would take stock of their actions, and re-consider their position.

If nothing else, we would be adding NO fuel to their fire. I honestly believe

that often times these posters come here seeking an angry and foul reaction,

thereby giving them further justification to their argument. When they fail to

receive that type of reaction , it actually bursts their bubble and spoils all

of their fun.

 

That was my .02 cents worth. ....and like I said, I have absolutely no problem

with moderation. Whatever the mass thinks is best, is o.k. with me!

 

Kind Regards,

 

Sharon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, bruce_oom <bruce_oom wrote:

 

bruce_oom <bruce_oom

Re: A Special Place

 

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi.. I feel this question can be looked at from a few perspectives.

from one perspective, everyones perspective is valuable, including

[Guest guest]

I can see both sides of the situation and if moderation is the way

chosen it's OK with me. But even the moderation could keep a person

seeking help not to stay. The reason I say this. The first time I

tried joining a and made a post and my post didn't go

through, I left thinking I was too computer illerate to figure it

out. I liked what I read and did come back to read once in a while,

but never tried to make a another post. LOL! I joined several

group of interest, but never tried to post again. I did eventually

try again when I joined the OBE group when I read the post about

lurkers. LOL! It made me feel bad about just reading so I tried to

post again. Of course it didn't go through right way, but it did

before I stopped reading. I finally figured it out that newcomers

where moderated. The way I see it moderated are not, Spirit is really

the one in control and if you are meant to be here that same Spirit

will find a way for you eventually.

 

After reading several pros and cons today, the parable about the

weeds came to my mind. In the parable the master said to leave them

growing alone side the good seed until the harvest.

 

Linda

 

 

, Sharon Grubb

<sharongrbb2000 wrote:

>

> Bruce,

>

> I agree 100 percent with your take on this. Obviously there would

have to be guidelines, and there would have to be moderation to

prevent ...(for instance) someone who is completely out of control,

and it is obvious that their primary intent is to maliciously slander

someone. However if they are only questioning the integrity or

character of any one single person here, I feel that is their right

to question, and it is our right to answer.

> These MAY BE opportunities for us to shine and grow, " as a

group. " Sometimes this type of adversity, will actually bring

everyone closer together as a result.

> Not saying that I want this to happen at all,... I am just saying

that I have enormous faith and trust in everyone here, to handle

every situation judiciously, and with the utmost grace and respect.

Since first joining this group, I have been so incredibly impressed

with everyone ability to effectively communicate, and just the

overwhelming level of patience, tolerance , encouragement and

understanding that everyone is given on a daily basis. I have been

on other boards, and this is so incredibly rare, to find this. I

don't think you could actually have these type of guidelines on most

boards, because there is almost always some sort of ongoing discord

between members. I have sometimes joked, that when reading posts

elsewhere, it read like a mini episode from Jerry Springer... :)

>

> So with that said, I will gladly embrace whatever is decided. My

hope would be ...that we could actually make a difference in one

persons life, and possibly by demonstrating how we deal with these

types of situations, just maybe....they would take stock of their

actions, and re-consider their position.

> If nothing else, we would be adding NO fuel to their fire. I

honestly believe that often times these posters come here seeking an

angry and foul reaction, thereby giving them further justification

to their argument. When they fail to receive that type of reaction ,

it actually bursts their bubble and spoils all of their fun.

>

> That was my .02 cents worth. ....and like I said, I have

absolutely no problem with moderation. Whatever the mass thinks is

best, is o.k. with me!

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Sharon

>

>

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, bruce_oom <bruce_oom wrote:

>

> bruce_oom <bruce_oom

> Re: A Special Place

>

> Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:28 PM

Hi.. I feel this question can be looked at from a few perspectives.

> from one perspective, everyones perspective is valuable, including

>