The God concept

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I am groping with the concept a divine being per se and would welcome

input. For perspective sake I would probably be classified as an

atheist in the conventional sense but believe that we have within us

that which is divine – we just struggle to come to terms with it in

our present state with our present limitations (many wrongly self

imposed!). I have always found conventional religions, whilst

enlightening, to be limited to differing degrees and only providing

part of the answer and often only when taken out of the context in

which the religion is actually presented and when viewed in a broader

context along with other religions. The concept of " oneness " seems to

be generally accepted by many nowadays especially within the context

of the eastern and older beliefs. Then accepting that " oneness " and

in the kundalini context where the divine power is within us all, do

we `evolve' (wrong word but I can't think of a better expression right

now) to a point where we all achieve that divine state and then we are

there? Is it an individual expression as such where we all end up on

an equal and divine plane so to speak? Or do we end up collectively

forming a divine whole? If it is a collective situation and I know

time is relative, but thinking linearly, does total `divinity' only

happen when the last person makes it home?

 

I accept I am probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self can

handle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer for

the moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels on

this score.

 

Love and blessings - Jonathan

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I am always mystified when i think about the concept of atheism. The very word itself is an oxymoron. To say "I don't believe in God" is in itself an admittance that there is a God not to choose to believe in. How can one choose not to believe in a concept if the concept does not exist. God came to me through a slow awakening. I gave up all preconceived religious dogma, and worked out my own salvation through fear and trembling. After awakening from a long dark slumber to Truth, I began to experience my deity, and have been set free, and live in the light. For me, God is the creator of intelligence, energy, spirit, matter, and most of all SOUL. Through the practices, I have located my soul, and am able to use it as a guide. The need to think with head and heart have been replaced with guidance from the

soul. The invisible connection to my source........Breathing in the spirit, and out the love to all mankind.............................I have moved from timorous belief to unshakable knowing. Death, for me, will be a beginning, not the end, or just silence......One woman's experiences of God consciousness.

 

Blessings,

Julie--- On Sun, 7/27/08, jonrow_2914 <jrowland wrote:

jonrow_2914 <jrowland The God concept Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

I am groping with the concept a divine being per se and would welcomeinput. For perspective sake I would probably be classified as anatheist in the conventional sense but believe that we have within usthat which is divine – we just struggle to come to terms with it inour present state with our present limitations (many wrongly selfimposed!). I have always found conventional religions, whilstenlightening, to be limited to differing degrees and only providingpart of the answer and often only when taken out of the context inwhich the religion is actually presented and when viewed in a broadercontext along with other religions. The concept of "oneness" seems tobe generally accepted by many nowadays especially within the contextof the eastern and older beliefs. Then accepting that "oneness" andin the kundalini context where the divine power is within us all, dowe `evolve' (wrong word but I can't think

of a better expression rightnow) to a point where we all achieve that divine state and then we arethere? Is it an individual expression as such where we all end up onan equal and divine plane so to speak? Or do we end up collectivelyforming a divine whole? If it is a collective situation and I knowtime is relative, but thinking linearly, does total `divinity' onlyhappen when the last person makes it home?I accept I am probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self canhandle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer forthe moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels onthis score.Love and blessings - Jonathan

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Faith comes in from not having to identify what or who God is, a man, woman, light or sound wave, serpent with six heads, or the "father with a white beard". That is what I don't know have a need to know. It will be revealed. I'm sure there are many out there who are father along the path and believe they KNOW exactly what their concept of God looks like. I just accept that HE IS, and that I AM.--- On Sun, 7/27/08, jonrow_2914 <jrowland wrote:

jonrow_2914 <jrowland The God concept Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 5:44 AM

 

 

I am groping with the concept a divine being per se and would welcomeinput. For perspective sake I would probably be classified as anatheist in the conventional sense but believe that we have within usthat which is divine – we just struggle to come to terms with it inour present state with our present limitations (many wrongly selfimposed!). I have always found conventional religions, whilstenlightening, to be limited to differing degrees and only providingpart of the answer and often only when taken out of the context inwhich the religion is actually presented and when viewed in a broadercontext along with other religions. The concept of "oneness" seems tobe generally accepted by many nowadays especially within the contextof the eastern and older beliefs. Then accepting that "oneness" andin the kundalini context where the divine power is within us all, dowe `evolve' (wrong word but I can't think

of a better expression rightnow) to a point where we all achieve that divine state and then we arethere? Is it an individual expression as such where we all end up onan equal and divine plane so to speak? Or do we end up collectivelyforming a divine whole? If it is a collective situation and I knowtime is relative, but thinking linearly, does total `divinity' onlyhappen when the last person makes it home?I accept I am probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self canhandle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer forthe moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels onthis score.Love and blessings - Jonathan

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> For perspective sake I would probably be classified

as an atheist < Me too, I have always been allergic to religion and did not

find any satisfactory answers within the western concepts of GOD.

 

> Then accepting that " oneness " and

> in the kundalini context where the divine power is within

> us all, do

> we `evolve' (wrong word but I can't think of a

> better expression right

> now) to a point where we all achieve that divine state and

> then we are there?

I believe evolve is a correct word as evolution is creation in a fluid spiral

upwards and I think thats what we are all here to do in our own unique way.

 

 

>Is it an individual expression as such where we all end up on

> an equal and divine plane so to speak? Or do we end up

> collectively

> forming a divine whole?

We are always a divine whole, seperation is an illusion that we create for our

own learning, what we are really here to do is just remember who we truly are.

 

If it is a collective situation

> and I know

> time is relative, but thinking linearly, does total

> `divinity' only

> happen when the last person makes it home?

 

Total divinity exists at all times, there is only perfection.

 

My own opinion

love elektra x x x

 

 

 

 

 

 

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At 07:51 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote:

 

I am always mystified

when i think about the concept of atheism. The very word itself is

an oxymoron. To say " I don't believe in God " is in itself

an admittance that there is a God not to choose to believe in. How

can one choose not to believe in a concept if the concept does not exist.

 

Since you asked, and I love rhetorical questions <g> ... I don't

believe in the Tooth Fairy ... does that make her real? As for atheists,

I don't think God cares what they think, s/he loves them anyway. I don't

think you have to believe in God to pursue the Kundalini, I see it as a

natural force, the religious trappings are just that.

I accept I am

probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self can

handle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer for

the moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels on

this score.

For me, " God " is like the Force in Star Wars. It's pure

creative consciousness, but I don't know if it is conscious in the way we

understand consciousness, and if it is, I'm not sure it is aware of us

any more than we are of individual cells or atoms in our own bodies. If

you look at the distribution of galaxies, you will find they aren't

random spots like flecks of paint splatter on a wall, they are stretched

out in a web-like formation that looks an awful lot like a neuron (see:

 

http://www.neurevolution.net/2007/06/05/two-universes-same-structure/

). I believe that " God " is a gigantic mind that is

evolving, and our solar system is one atom in a galaxy " cell "

in that mind. I like " Conversations With God " by Neale Donald

Walsh, because it is a collection of writings that comes the

closest to speaking what I have always felt is true. We're here merely to

experience, we are God seeking to know itself.

Brandi

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i think there are varieties of spiritual experiences, each unique to the individual when one truly seeks. i know i was spoon fed like a baby until i became ready to eat more solid food. i agree with your tooth fairy analogy; but at the end of my life, i feel there is a greater chance of meeting my creator than the t.f..........and i don't know enough NOT to believe. for me, kundalini is one of the gifts of the spirit............part of the mind, body, spirit alignment to have the mysteries revealed to help ourselves and others survive and rise above this earthly realm.

 

blessings,

julie--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote:

Brandi Jasmine <jazztalkRe: The God concept Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 2:20 PM

 

 

At 07:51 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote:

I am always mystified when i think about the concept of atheism. The very word itself is an oxymoron. To say "I don't believe in God" is in itself an admittance that there is a God not to choose to believe in. How can one choose not to believe in a concept if the concept does not exist. Since you asked, and I love rhetorical questions <g> ... I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy ... does that make her real? As for atheists, I don't think God cares what they think, s/he loves them anyway. I don't think you have to believe in God to pursue the Kundalini, I see it as a natural force, the religious trappings are just that.

I accept I am probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self canhandle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer forthe moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels onthis score.For me, "God" is like the Force in Star Wars. It's pure creative consciousness, but I don't know if it is conscious in the way we understand consciousness, and if it is, I'm not sure it is aware of us any more than we are of individual cells or atoms in our own bodies. If you look at the distribution of galaxies, you will find they aren't random spots like flecks of paint splatter on a wall, they are stretched out in a web-like formation that looks an awful lot like a neuron (see: http://www.neurevol ution.net/ 2007/06/05/ two-universes-

same-structure/ ). I believe that "God" is a gigantic mind that is evolving, and our solar system is one atom in a galaxy "cell" in that mind. I like "Conversations With God" by Neale Donald Walsh, because it is a collection of writings that comes the closest to speaking what I have always felt is true. We're here merely to experience, we are God seeking to know itself.Brandi

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the craziness of trying to describe beyond the indescribable...

we are all wrong of course...but its great fun trying

 

 

....i believe in the tooth fairy brandi ...don't you..???

 

now narwhals there cool!

 

love paula...

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come on paula; can't ONE of us be right?????????/

 

you mean the tooth fairy isn't real????????--- On Sun, 7/27/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

alayafire <ari.reza Re: The God concept Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:53 PM

 

 

the craziness of trying to describe beyond the indescribable. ..we are all wrong of course...but its great fun trying ...i believe in the tooth fairy brandi ...don't you..???now narwhals there cool!love paula...

[Guest guest]

ok then we'll all be right , the one together

she is real didn't i say??

love paula x

 

 

, Julie

<jewelport wrote:

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>

>

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> come on paula; can't ONE of us be right?????????/

>  

> you mean the tooth fairy isn't real????????

>

> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

>

> alayafire <ari.reza

> Re: The God concept

>

> Sunday, July 27, 2008, 3:53 PM

the craziness of trying to describe beyond the indescribable. ..

> we are all wrong of course...but its great fun trying

>

> ...i believe in the tooth fairy brandi ...don't you..???

>

> now narwhals there cool!

>

> love paula...

>

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At 04:53 PM 7/27/2008, you wrote:

the craziness of trying to

describe beyond the indescribable...

we are all wrong of course...but its great fun trying

I'm sure you are quite right about that one.

....i believe in the

tooth fairy brandi ...don't you..???

Laugh ... nope, sorry. Santa, maybe.

Brandi

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admittance that there is a God not to choose to believe in.

> How can one choose not to believe in a concept if the

> concept does not exist.

 

The concept may exist does not mean the actual " thing " exists.

Especially if the concept is warped in some way in comparison to the actual

" thing " itself.

 

The concept of UFO's exists, but many who have never seen one do not believe in

them. I did not believe until i saw one.

 

I never believed in GOD as the bible descibes HIM as the concept is flawed

(IMHO). As soon as I felt the oneness of everything I had no trouble in seeing

the deeper meaning within the word GOD, but I think many struggle with that word

due to the misrepresentation of a man in a white coat looking down telling us

all " do it my way or burn in hell heathens! "

Of course we all know that is not the truth of the divine one!!!

LOL

 

HUGS elektra x x x

 

 

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Perhaps we are ALL RIGHT, there really is no wrong, we are all God so how can we

be wrong desrcibing ourself?

love e x x x

 

>

> the craziness of trying to describe beyond the

> indescribable. ..

> we are all wrong of course...but its great fun trying

>

> ...i believe in the tooth fairy brandi ...don't

> you..???

 

 

 

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I wrote this reply to this post this morning and It's been here all

day with debating rather to hit send or not. LOL! It isn't very

christianey, and I still say " the Old Man in the Sky " ain't that bad

of a symbol if you really think about it. LOL!

 

 

When I think of God, I know God as all that I can see, hear, touch,

smell and taste and " sense " . LOL! Don't laugh! That is just the

physical form of God. God's physical form to me is the whole universe

or universes if there is more that one. One universe is enough of a

stretch for my mind for now. It makes my brain hurt to think of

there being more, but if there is more than one universe, I suspect

there must be seven to make up a muti-universe, but let's definitely

not go beyond that.

 

I know chrism says there are 5 body's, but I think the spiritual is

made up of three bodies,(where we get the three heavens) so there are

really seven bodies. Just as we have seven bodies, so does God, which

is " All that Is " . I say seven because seven is the number that

symbolizes completeness in gematria and in the bible. (Gematria is a

subject that fascinates me beyond no end.) The physical

body/plane/world is made up of solids, liquids, gases and the ethers

of which there are four. The physical world/plane is just one seventh

of the whole and is the smallest, denses portion. Our phyical body is

made up of solids, liquids, and gases and our ethric double is made

of the four ethers. These two parts make up the whole of our physical

being. I would say the little inch or so of transparent light you see

around the body would be the etheric double, because the etheric part

extends out from the physical solid a ways.

 

The next body is the Astral which some call the " Desire World " and it

extends out even farther. It is the plane/body of emotions and

desires, the substances that motives us. There are seven

stratas/levels of the astral just as of the physical. Those of us who

have been able to be conscious in the astral realm soon realize there

is a counterpart in the astral of everything that is in the physical.

The counterpart which seems physical is the lowest and densest level

of the astral, what many refer to as the RTZ (real time zone). Other

levels would be the emotions and thought level which appear as colors

or symbols forms, etc and so forth.

 

The third body is the mental with it's seven stratas.

 

The fourth is the ego/will/soul plane and it's seven stratas.

 

Then there is the three spiritual worlds/planes in which each of

these three are made up of seven levels.

 

An example I read in a book that would help to understand these

various levels and sub-levels would be to take the seven colors of

the chakra and split them into 7 shades of the same colors. The

darkest shades of the colors would represent the physical and the

palest illuminious shades would be the highest spiritual plane. Each

planes has it's mirror or counterpart in all the other planes.

 

The seventh level of the third spiritual plane is the Divine Life

Force and it interpenetrates all the other planes and stratas. All

the planes/levels interpenetrate each other, actually, so all is one

and one is all, a whole.

 

That is why we are told to go within to become conscious of God or

the Kingdom of God, because you are a mirco copy of all that is and

as we evolve in consciouness the more we will be able to experience

the God self, the all that we are. I see the kundalini as a means of

evolving us to the point of being able to experience consciousness of

ourselves in more than just the physical 3D realm and the 4D astral.

I read some where that each of the seven bodies has kundalini that

will need to be activated and awakened. So as we evolve the astral

body's kundalini will need to be awakened to evolve, then on to the

mental body and so forth. I don't know how true that is, could just

be some sage's theroy. LOL! It makes sense to me though.

 

Most of what I have written is from what I have read here and there

from different sources. I just take it with a grain of salt and then

if I experience it then I will know if it is true or not, " maybe " .

Hehe!

 

Anyways, I see all of these planes and levels and all of creation as

God experiencing itself. We are just tiny specks in there somewhere,

in the scheme of things. If this God, like the bible says is aware

each time a little sparrow dies and know the number of hairs on your

head, then God would definitely be conscious of our every move and

thought and feeling rather we were aware in return or not.

 

I can understand that, if God is 100% conscious campare to most

humans being only being about 3% conscious, a few may be as much as

10%. I wonder what percentage Jesus was. It must not have been a

whole 100% though, because when Jesus was asked when the end of time

would be, he answered them saying only the Father God knew that.

 

Linda

 

 

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

>

> I am groping with the concept a divine being per se and would

welcome

> input. For perspective sake I would probably be classified as an

> atheist in the conventional sense but believe that we have within us

> that which is divine – we just struggle to come to terms with it in

> our present state with our present limitations (many wrongly self

> imposed!). I have always found conventional religions, whilst

> enlightening, to be limited to differing degrees and only providing

> part of the answer and often only when taken out of the context in

> which the religion is actually presented and when viewed in a

broader

> context along with other religions. The concept of " oneness " seems

to

> be generally accepted by many nowadays especially within the context

> of the eastern and older beliefs. Then accepting that " oneness " and

> in the kundalini context where the divine power is within us all, do

> we `evolve' (wrong word but I can't think of a better expression

right

> now) to a point where we all achieve that divine state and then we

are

> there? Is it an individual expression as such where we all end up

on

> an equal and divine plane so to speak? Or do we end up collectively

> forming a divine whole? If it is a collective situation and I know

> time is relative, but thinking linearly, does total `divinity' only

> happen when the last person makes it home?

>

> I accept I am probably grasping at a bigger concept than my i self

can

> handle, but my I self is teasing me by holding out on the answer for

> the moment and hence the interest in knowing how the group feels on

> this score.

>

> Love and blessings - Jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks all for your perspective! As paula says - trying to describe

the indescribable!!

 

I guess part of wanting to define the reality is knowing that there is

something vast out there (or rather really within for that matter!)and

that desire to be there now! lol

patience...patience...practice...practice...

 

blessings - Jonathan

[Guest guest]

Nice to read Linda - thanks...

 

Blessings.

Paul

 

 

....Anyways, I see all of these planes and levels and all of creation as God experiencing itself...