Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :-)) I only told him I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I did not correct him. We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a few manners. And give us a giggle too. Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is superstitious. elektra x x x ________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Elektra,I don't think is wrong to give someone a teste of their own medicine,especially if they are asking for it.If it will save you from a situation where you would have to fight off his se$%2l advances and worse lose your contract,i'd say go for it.He needs someone to teach him a lesson. love,nicole , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > > So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. > We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. > My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :- )) I only told him > I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I did not correct him. > > We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a few manners. And give us a giggle too. > > Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is superstitious. > > elektra x x x > > > ________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Lol! I call that toying with the mouse...or rat. Sounds like fun to me! (bad dhyana) Love , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hey Elektra, Ouch! Slimey people suck. The only problem with your strategy is that it may make him more interested. IMnotHO, he's not interested in sex, but the conquest. But I believe that you are incredibly resourceful and creative and that you will do what is absolutely perfect! You go girl! Peter , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hey Elektra! One of the hazards of the road-----s***al advances. If I have a question about anything I do, there is usually a reason I am questioning it........Sometimes all I know to do is apply the law of karma........ xxoo Julie --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: Elektra Fire <elektra.fire Is it wrong? moral question Sunday, July 13, 2008, 11:37 AM I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :-)) I only told him I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I did not correct him. We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a few manners. And give us a giggle too. Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is superstitious. elektra x x x ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs. / ymail/new. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Elektra, I think this is a creative approach in a difficult situation. So far, you've effectively tricked him into not creating karma, and you have sidestepped having to respond to possible actions of his, thus avoiding possible harm to you, him, your work situation and your own karma. The best battle is one that doesn't get fought, even if you have to trick your opponent into walking away. Shakti wraps herself in a veil of maya - if you need to wrap yourself in a veil of mystery to pass unharmed through otherwise dangerous waters, so be it, IMHO. No one has been hurt and your intent is not malicious. So I think it is ok, at least for now. It seems your goal of turning away his prurient interest has been met. If the white lies get out of hand or escalate, I trust Shakti will let you know if you need to change course. At this point in my life, I figure that all my experiences are orchestrated, either as opportunities to learn, transform, transcend, forgive, surrender, resolve karma, etc. So in difficult or threatening situations I (eventually) come around to trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be getting out of the experience. (Sadly I'm a slow learner -- sometimes it takes years and distance before I get a glimmer of understanding....) I don't know if any of this applies to you in this situation, but if it does, Shakti may have hidden additional messages for you beneath the surface of the experience.... Love, blessings, thanks, David , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > > So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. > We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. > My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :- )) I only told him > I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I did not correct him. > > We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a few manners. And give us a giggle too. > > Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is superstitious. > > elektra x x x > > > ________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi Electra Are you comfortable with the subterfuge while also being cogniscant of your husband's insecurity / jealousy? Is there no possibility that you can retain the contract while being absolutely straight with this individual in telling him that you need the work and assuring him that you will do a good job while also letting him know that you are happily married and therefore honour bound to your husband? Even ego-driven men respect strength and honesty. You know the answer. Love and blessings - Jonathan , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Since you asked, if it were me I would not take this route. If you are asking about this I am guessing that you have some doubts about it yourself. Aside from the inner prompting to be honest, should he find out that you have pulled the wool over his eyes and laughed behind his back, what do you suppose his reaction will be? A few years ago I would have been right there with you, but now I find that any kind of dishonesty tends to tug really hard at me. I'm sure I will not be getting the vote for best answer, but there it is. Hugs to you Elektra, Sarita , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > > So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. > We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. > My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :- )) I only told him > I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I did not correct him. > > We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a few manners. And give us a giggle too. > > Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is superstitious. > > elektra x x x > > > ________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi Elektra, I just wanted to thank you for your post. Something in it must have touched a raw nerve or exposed some issues within me, since I have since found myself pondering a bunch about your post and about my subsequent reply. I wanted to add some thoughts to my original reply, because I think my initial reply was only partly to your post and largely to its reflection in my own consciousness. I study martial arts, and some of that study involves survival, avoiding/dealing with conflict, and using strategy and illusion to avoid or escape from danger. Plus, I have a long-standing nearly violent dislike for the kind of person you were describing. So I tended to couch your description of your circumstances in terms familiar to me. I don't have a problem with illusion and trickery if they are necessary to avoid a fight or to insure one's survival. The hard question is, when are they actually necessary? And how can I do the least harm to myself and others, incur the least karma, and maybe even help the others involved? (I'm changing fast here, so some of my old paradigms don't hold up anymore -- pretty soon I'll go from defeating my enemies to radiating compassion, forgiveness and love... Yipes!) Even if the illusion or trickery are necessary for your survival, I would avoid taking any pleasure in it, gloating, laughing about it or feeling that you are " toying " with anyone. These will definitely not take you into bright mind-states. However it may have started and whatever you may be feeling about it now, what's been done is done. And it seems to have stopped him from making passes at you. This buys you time to decide how you want to proceed. Only you can assess your situation. I think Shakti will let you know inwardly how to proceed. Hope this is helpful to you. And my thanks again, as your post definitely brought about a number of realizations for me.... Love, blessings, thanks, David , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb wrote: > > Elektra, > > I think this is a creative approach in a difficult situation. So > far, you've effectively tricked him into not creating karma, and you > have sidestepped having to respond to possible actions of his, thus > avoiding possible harm to you, him, your work situation and your own > karma. > > The best battle is one that doesn't get fought, even if you have to > trick your opponent into walking away. Shakti wraps herself in a > veil of maya - if you need to wrap yourself in a veil of mystery to > pass unharmed through otherwise dangerous waters, so be it, IMHO. > > No one has been hurt and your intent is not malicious. So I think it > is ok, at least for now. > > It seems your goal of turning away his prurient interest has been > met. If the white lies get out of hand or escalate, I trust Shakti > will let you know if you need to change course. > > At this point in my life, I figure that all my experiences are > orchestrated, either as opportunities to learn, transform, transcend, > forgive, surrender, resolve karma, etc. So in difficult or > threatening situations I (eventually) come around to trying to figure > out what I'm supposed to be getting out of the experience. (Sadly > I'm a slow learner -- sometimes it takes years and distance before I > get a glimmer of understanding....) I don't know if any of this > applies to you in this situation, but if it does, Shakti may have > hidden additional messages for you beneath the surface of the > experience.... > > Love, blessings, thanks, > > David > > , Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire@> wrote: > > > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company > travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he > is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss > his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). > > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm > married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > > > > So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. > > We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off > and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. > > My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an > extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a > magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :- > )) I only told him > > I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I > did not correct him. > > > > We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a > few manners. And give us a giggle too. > > > > Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a > defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really > rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow > people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he > totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is > superstitious. > > > > elektra x x x > > > > > > ________ > > Not happy with your email address?. > > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 the real " trick " is not letting that " type of person " get to you so that you have to react in ANY WAY!!! and here i go gathering my roses........................ julie --- On Sun, 7/13/08, djgottlieb <dgottlieb wrote: djgottlieb <dgottlieb Re: Is it wrong? moral question Sunday, July 13, 2008, 8:05 PM Hi Elektra, I just wanted to thank you for your post. Something in it must have touched a raw nerve or exposed some issues within me, since I have since found myself pondering a bunch about your post and about my subsequent reply. I wanted to add some thoughts to my original reply, because I think my initial reply was only partly to your post and largely to its reflection in my own consciousness. I study martial arts, and some of that study involves survival, avoiding/dealing with conflict, and using strategy and illusion to avoid or escape from danger. Plus, I have a long-standing nearly violent dislike for the kind of person you were describing. So I tended to couch your description of your circumstances in terms familiar to me. I don't have a problem with illusion and trickery if they are necessary to avoid a fight or to insure one's survival. The hard question is, when are they actually necessary? And how can I do the least harm to myself and others, incur the least karma, and maybe even help the others involved? (I'm changing fast here, so some of my old paradigms don't hold up anymore -- pretty soon I'll go from defeating my enemies to radiating compassion, forgiveness and love... Yipes!) Even if the illusion or trickery are necessary for your survival, I would avoid taking any pleasure in it, gloating, laughing about it or feeling that you are " toying " with anyone. These will definitely not take you into bright mind-states. However it may have started and whatever you may be feeling about it now, what's been done is done. And it seems to have stopped him from making passes at you. This buys you time to decide how you want to proceed. Only you can assess your situation. I think Shakti will let you know inwardly how to proceed. Hope this is helpful to you. And my thanks again, as your post definitely brought about a number of realizations for me.... Love, blessings, thanks, David Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb@. ..> wrote: > > Elektra, > > I think this is a creative approach in a difficult situation. So > far, you've effectively tricked him into not creating karma, and you > have sidestepped having to respond to possible actions of his, thus > avoiding possible harm to you, him, your work situation and your own > karma. > > The best battle is one that doesn't get fought, even if you have to > trick your opponent into walking away. Shakti wraps herself in a > veil of maya - if you need to wrap yourself in a veil of mystery to > pass unharmed through otherwise dangerous waters, so be it, IMHO. > > No one has been hurt and your intent is not malicious. So I think it > is ok, at least for now. > > It seems your goal of turning away his prurient interest has been > met. If the white lies get out of hand or escalate, I trust Shakti > will let you know if you need to change course. > > At this point in my life, I figure that all my experiences are > orchestrated, either as opportunities to learn, transform, transcend, > forgive, surrender, resolve karma, etc. So in difficult or > threatening situations I (eventually) come around to trying to figure > out what I'm supposed to be getting out of the experience. (Sadly > I'm a slow learner -- sometimes it takes years and distance before I > get a glimmer of understanding. ...) I don't know if any of this > applies to you in this situation, but if it does, Shakti may have > hidden additional messages for you beneath the surface of the > experience.. .. > > Love, blessings, thanks, > > David > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire@ > wrote: > > > > I am on tour at the moment and have a big boss from the company > travelling with us. He is the kinda guy that everyone sucks up to, he > is used to getting his own way, people travel with him just to kiss > his butt and he regularly gets ho's (if you pardon my honesty). > > He seems to think that as I'm a performer , even though I'm > married, he can offer to give me massage and make sexual advances. > > > > So, me and my friends all came up with a plan to toy with him. > > We told him random bits of untruths, just fun stuff, to put him off > and stop him in his tracks. We have been laughing so hard. > > My husband is a crazy jealous kong fu master , and also an > extremist mu5lim.. (lol) and I am (in my bosses own words) a > magician. He thinks I can read peoples minds and do magic on them :- > )) I only told him > > I was in to yoga and healing, but he extrapalated the rest and I > did not correct him. > > > > We kinda told him white lies just to watch him back off and learn a > few manners. And give us a giggle too. > > > > Is this wrong? I don't think bad things towards him but it's more a > defense tactic to gently protect myself without having to be really > rude and ruin the whole contract. I never usually tell fibs or allow > people to think untruths but it all worked out so perfectly, he > totally made up who I was without me saying a single thing as he is > superstitious. > > > > elektra x x x > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Not happy with your email address?. > > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at http://uk.docs. / ymail/new. html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 > Even if the illusion or trickery are necessary for your > survival, I > would avoid taking any pleasure in it, gloating, laughing > about it or > feeling that you are " toying " with anyone. These > will definitely not > take you into bright mind-states. I say toying more of a way to explain that we are not being malicious or hurtful, more having fun with it so as not to be cruel or nasty or really threatening. A friend of mine was really making me laugh, he is a massive guy, very strong, and he was claiming to be scared of seeing my husband as he always wants to fight him and he had not been training so did not want to see my husband. I really had to keep the giggles in as my hubby is so not like that , it was almost like comedy improv! We could not help but chuckle after at how ridiculous the description of my man was. :-)) But it worked and the boss totally backed down. Thanks for your insights, I will make sure not to gloat. Love elektra x x x ________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Well, easier said then done when you are travelling in a small tour bus with someone, and seeing them every day , for breakfast , lunch and dinner and in the club and in the hotel. And they are like a dog on heat. Love elektra x x x ________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Oh yes, I agree, those people are not EASY to ignore!!! and you can't help that you are so BEAUTIFUL!!! xxoo julie --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: Elektra Fire <elektra.fire Re: Re: Is it wrong? moral question Sunday, July 13, 2008, 8:58 PM Well, easier said then done when you are travelling in a small tour bus with someone, and seeing them every day , for breakfast , lunch and dinner and in the club and in the hotel. And they are like a dog on heat. Love elektra x x x ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs. / ymail/new. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 > Are you comfortable with the subterfuge while also being > cogniscant of > your husband's insecurity / jealousy? Is there no > possibility that > you can retain the contract while being absolutely straight > with this Even > ego-driven men respect strength and honesty. This is China, where men just don't get it. He is the boss and only respects people doing what is asked of them. My first reaction was to tell him straight, which I did. But he still persists. They will usually persist until they get what they want. China has it's own unique culture and something called " face " or " guanxi " . My husband is not jealous by the way, we are in an open relationship. He is more concerned for me as this guy is travelling with us at the moment. It was all quite lighthearted and worked out well as this man is making a quick departure rather then trying to tail us around the country now. I would say it was a bloodless, face saving victory. I feel pretty good about it but just wanted feed back as I'm not used to deception of any nature, but then, I'm not used to China's strange customs of giving someone " bad face " . Love elektra x x x ________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at http://uk.docs./ymail/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hey Electra, OK if I give you an old guy hug, Shakti is in you and she directs. Shakti might have you react in one manner but when talked about in words does not make sense. You and your Shakti know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Elektra my beautiful sis, I don't know about " wrong " , who is to say? How did it make you feel? Myself, I think it is hilarious, perhaps there could be some actual learning on his part; then you would have done him a kindness, right? My feeling is that it was and is fun. A misdirection of his negative energy, back to him, where it belongs. You *are* a magician! Love you loads sister! Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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