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Oooh...that's a good one, Elektra!

I always felt that desire of worldly things, and any type of instant

gratification...and satisfying any desire other than those which benefit the

spirit, hold me back.

 

In example; and since we are all sisters and brothers here, I guess it's safe to

say that there have been times when I have been in the sexual desire mode, for

days, after really nice, passionate sex..but my boyfriend was not.

*A friend of mine, gave me a little battery operated buddy, and I was hooked. At

that point in time, I felt that desire made me take several steps back, in my

spirituality..as if there was a veil covering my eyes, from the deep spiritual

nature of which I had been previously aware. I guess what that means, is that

too much of a good thing can be dangerous to the soul. When you let desire take

the reins..and you give your spiritual growth a back seat to it.

However, I feel as if desire is also partially essential to our growth here, as

being of both the physical and spiritual nature- because we must learn to

balance, and it seems to serve as a good tool of judgment. I'm still learning

all of this, too, but I think that desire helps our relationship, as long as it

remains balanced, and is not selfish, IMHO. Also, as far as general desire

goes..I have noticed, that days when I am craving caffeine, and I give in to the

craving, I only want more and more..and the constant desire and instant

gratification, consumes me, and I do not feel I am making any sort of progress,

because I am so consumed by desire and satisfying my carvings. Days when I tune

it out, are days when I seem to be more spiritually aware....more aware of how I

am doing spiritually, and able to see opportunities of growth, and taking them.

Such as, being able to jump into a situation where someone needs a shoulder to

lean on, and being that ray of light to guide

them, instead of being so busy taking care of my physical body's wants, that I

don't notice. Does that make sense to you?

*I'm sorry if parts of that were a little too much information.LOL

I was able to learn a valuable lesson from all of my trial and error.

 

This life is so strange. I've always had this 'feeling' in the back of my mind,

as if I don't belong here. I'm not saying that I don't, but it is a feeling of

remembering a time when I did not have to be bothered with balancing the needs

and desires of having a physical body. It is really kind of a pain, and part of

me longs for that peaceful bliss of just drifting, and deciding where I want to

be, and simply 'being' there, instead of having to make that effort of getting

there.

I have learned though, that the process of feeling need, and being aware of the

physical body's mindset while in need..and finding a way of getting what I need,

and learning along the way, and feeling satisfied and learning from that as

well- helps me relate to others, and gives me more of a diverse viewpoint.

That helps me when my spirit is making a growth spurt. It needs as much learning

from the physical body's viewpoint as possible, so as much as being a bit of a

bummer, dealing with wants and needs is also a big help. IMHO

 

With much love,

Tara

 

 

 

>Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:

 

> Dear and all,

 

>I have had a moral question in my mind going round,

>and since reading some of the Nag Hammadi I have this

>question burning even more strongly.

>Being that I do not feel sexual desire, should I seek

>to find it again.

>Does sexual desire count as one of the deadly sins

>against spirit and ascension :desire.

>The buddhists seek to rid themselves of desire, many

>spiritual practises work against desires, so, should I

>seek to reaccess these parts of myself or am I fine

>the way I am?

>I have this dilemma swirling around in my head.

>Is sexual desire apart of spirituality?

>or is it apart of lower ego?

>What does everyone think?

 

>Thanks for your input, appreciate it.

>Love Elektra x x x

 

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Thankyou so much for all replies, havent read them all

yet as i will go away to a hotsprings today, I'm

rushing a little

Will get through them all.

 

I read Tara's and Chrism's so far and I'll get thru a

few more.

 

The reason I ask, is that I lost my desire and I feel

as though I have not learnt to control it as I lost

it. It is different to lose something thru abuse then

to over come it thru developement.

I search for my desire to make sure I can deal with it

in a healthy manor.

 

To be honest, if it wasn't for the pain and suffering

I cause my husband I could have quite easily lived

without sex and I had actually vowed to myself 12

years ago to stop having sex as I had dealt so badly

with my desires.

Then I met hubby and I had to try to function to be

normal.

But it was forced, it was not what I wanted.

 

Is losing desire the same as learning my lessons of

control? I don't think so, I have the feeling I need

to experience healthy sexuality so I can decide how to

deal with that in a spiritually healthy manor.

 

Thanks for being my think tank everyone.

Love you all,

Blessings

Elektra x x x

 

 

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Please remember you are in a Kundalini process and it is that process

which will decide for you how your desire will be expressed or not for

the time being. I can only suggest that you surrender to this and

allow the changes to be made, whether or not they conform to your

wishes or goals. - blessings and balance my friend - chrism

 

 

>

> Is losing desire the same as learning my lessons of

> control? I don't think so, I have the feeling I need

> to experience healthy sexuality so I can decide how to

> deal with that in a spiritually healthy manor.

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Dear Chrism,

 

I know you are so right about the k process and

trusting in it , and I do totally.

What sparked that whole thought in my mind was just

the fact I had been reading the Nag Hammadi, it said

some pretty horrid things about sex and I was having

some confusion in my mind.

I'm not usually one for getting too in to the words of

biblical text but this is meant to be an original

untouched text:

 

Yaldabaoth: (A satanic being meant to have

created humanity from " The book of John " )

 

The Chief Archon saw the young woman who was standing

by Adam.

He realized that the light-filled Epinoia

of life was within her.

Yaldabaoth became completely ignorant.

 

[When the Providence of all saw what was

going to happen

She sent assistants to remove Divine Life

from Eve.]

 

Yaldabaoth raped Eve.

She bore two sons.

 

[Elohim was the name of the first.

Yahweh was the name of the second.

Elohim has a bear’s face.

Yahweh has a cat’s face.

One is righteous;

One is not.

Yahweh is

righteous;

Elohim is not.

Yahweh would command fire and wind

Elohim would command water and earth.]

 

Yaldabaoth deceptively named the two: Cain and Abel.

 

[From then until now sexual intercourse has persisted

Thanks to the Chief Ruler

Who put desire for reproduction into the

woman who accompanies Adam.

Through intercourse the Ruler caused new

human bodies to be produced

And he blew his artificial spirit into

each of them.]

 

 

 

It was after I read this I began to think about

sexuality and what could this text mean?

Any thoughts would help me understand a little better

and clear my mind.

Thanks in advance x x x

Elektra.

 

 

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I would not believe everything you read that is out there Elektra.

 

There is so much that is the view point of others,seen thro their

lenses then written as ''Truth''.

Go inside your own Heart for the answers.

 

Its the motive of the Heart that counts. The only safe Church to go to is the

one inside us.

Igor.

 

 

 

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elektra.fire: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:25:16 +0100Re:

Re: and all, dilemma question-Elektra

 

 

 

 

Dear Chrism,I know you are so right about the k process andtrusting in it , and

I do totally.What sparked that whole thought in my mind was justthe fact I had

been reading the Nag Hammadi, it saidsome pretty horrid things about sex and I

was havingsome confusion in my mind.I'm not usually one for getting too in to

the words ofbiblical text but this is meant to be an originaluntouched

text:Yaldabaoth: (A satanic being meant to havecreated humanity from " The book

of John " )The Chief Archon saw the young woman who was standingby Adam.He

realized that the light-filled Epinoiaof life was within her.Yaldabaoth became

completely ignorant. [When the Providence of all saw what wasgoing to happenShe

sent assistants to remove Divine Lifefrom Eve.] Yaldabaoth raped Eve.She bore

two sons. [Elohim was the name of the first.Yahweh was the name of the

second.Elohim has a bear’s face.Yahweh has a cat’s face.One is righteous;One is

not.Yahweh isrighteous;Elohim is not.Yahweh would command fire and windElohim

would command water and earth.] Yaldabaoth deceptively named the two: Cain and

Abel. [From then until now sexual intercourse has persistedThanks to the Chief

RulerWho put desire for reproduction into thewoman who accompanies Adam.Through

intercourse the Ruler caused newhuman bodies to be producedAnd he blew his

artificial spirit intoeach of them.] It was after I read this I began to think

aboutsexuality and what could this text mean?Any thoughts would help me

understand a little betterand clear my mind.Thanks in advance x x

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This is about he fallen ones having sex with humans not applicable for

a comparison for human sexuality. Like a human having sex with another

species of animal. - my take - chrism