Re:For those who have activated the Kundalini without the safeties -Adr

September 17, 2007

Chrism

Thanks so much for your response.

I really appreciate it. (also I really needed it)

Also I am so sorry that you have been through the hard way of Koundalini.

I have read some accounts of really bad experiences of K. and I just can't

believe it can happen!

Most of all I don't understand why do they happen, if it is supposed to be a

God energy.

Personally I haven't felt anything like that, maybe because I have always

thought that the K energy is something sacred, sacred as God is, and God does

not let anyone to be harm. And as I always think that its the power of God, I

haven't had the tiniest idea of all that you are saying and of what I have read

also in other places, although it says that they are very rare symptoms.

It makes me think a lot of things, like if I wanted to be in any religion, for

example, and the priest would tell me that if I don't obey, I can be crazy, or

suicidal, or very sick, or even death, that would scare me a lot, and that would

make me think, where is God ? so I would run away from that religion brutally

scared ! (in my opinion)

In Shamanism there are some shamans that warns people that they can be near

death, before they get in, although I don't agree with these shamans, they have

some true, (I was called to shamanism in this way, I was near death 3 months

before getting inside the Shaman way) although Ross Heaven states clearly that

this is not a rule, but this can happens, and I am here to state it. He sees

this procedure as a " call " from the ancestral shamans. The " serpent " in

shamanism is the telluric force that rise, and that the shaman has to control,

and its very dangerous, one has to be a super shaman to control this energy and

is considered an energy of the earth, but it does not arise inside us but

outside (as far as I have understood)

You are very right in put your safeties, if you have seen all this, and I am

so sorry of having misunderstood your safeties, it was pure ignorance from my

side, as long as I am being aware of all this bad effects.

I didn't want to say that you are a fear pormoter, but I had to be honest,

cause I was scared when I read them, and then I began to search the bad

experiences in another places and I couldn't believe it.

I still do not understand why an energy of God, makes all these bad side

effects???

I am trying hard to understand, cause I believe that light is light, and light

has no room for darkness, as far as I understand the God Love.

Can this be a path similar to Shamanism? cause in shamanism one can be hurt if

one is not in alertness.

I have felt the " serpent " in shamanism, but outside of me, and inside, I have

felt, something that was like waving up from my feet to head, but I was never

afraid of this feeling inside my body, but sometimes got scared of the " serpent "

when it is outside, cause it makes a lot of noises, steps, cracks, talkings,

invisible shamans singing, and many other things, and in this you are right,

cause if the shaman has fear, the serpent amplifys everything, so one has to be

as strong as rocks, Once I was scared of rats, and then I was hearing the

serpent energy as rats crawling all over my meditation room! so I immediately

asked for help, and another shaman told me to shape shift my way of perception

of the energy, so immediately I shape shifted this, you are very right,

everything is in our mind. The mind is capable of materialize everything even

our worst nightmare if we are not strong to defeat it, and we defeat it with

strenght of mind, knowledge, and most of all when one

knows that most of the effects of the serpent is our hidden fears. Once we

defeat the serpent, we can communicate with spirits. I don't know if you have

seen the effects of the K energy, as you call it, from outside your body? This

has a tremendous force, and its extremely dangerous if the shaman is not strong.

As long as I can see the K energy is like the shamanism, but instead of outside,

it rises from inside, isn't it ? is this a way to talk to God or spirits ? or

just to heal ?

Well I need to know all this, cause I was thinking that it was God's energy

and if it is like the shamanism, one has to control this energy, and of course

if it is the same as the serpent, as you said before, one has to be prepared.

I have felt this energy inside me, and has been very kind and sweet with me, I

would like to know when is when one knows that the K energy has totally aroused

? I mean what are the symptoms, when one is ready ?

I am very grateful with you, and I ask your forgiveness because I have

misunderstood everything.

Thank you very much.

Blessings

Ady

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September 17, 2007

Dear Ady,

We must also remember that in God's eyes there is no

" good " or " bad " there is just life.

It is humans that create the difference between dark

and light.

We must also remember that the light comes from within

the darkness.

All experience is what it is, we must learn not to

judge, merely educate ourselves and decide which

direction we wish to move in.

Suffering is a condition of the human mind and heart,

self created, God does not create the suffering.

That is why to channel pure god energy we must lose

those lower parts of our miscreations or else they

will distort the energy.

The energy is still divine, but we can distort it as

we can distort all things with our powerful emotions

and ego.

Love Elektra x x x

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September 17, 2007

Ady,

I loved reading this post, because I was able to feel

as though seeing where you've been, as I read your words.

I have a little knowledge of what happens and my little

understanding of how and why 'bad' things happen when we stop

following the safeties. I will share it with you now.

It is a bit of a long story.

I activated Kundalini many years ago, without any knowledge of

Kundalini what so ever. I received the guidance through prayer,

meditation, and insight from out of body experiences.

I prayed much at that time in my life. It was all I did with my free

time, and I had a very tight ab area, just from saying the rosary and

praying freely so often. That was all I knew to be along the lines of

waling with God. The guidance I received was to make a list of

everyone I have ever known in my life, and pray for them. I was to ask

their forgiveness in my mind, and with my mind tell them I forgive

them. I felt the need to try to get a feel for what kind of help and

healing they needed, and to pray for it. I did this every day.

I also was prompted to create a prayer box, and place it at my place

of work and pray for everyone's intentions. I was given the

understanding that I had come so far, that this was the only way to

get any further. I began to thirst for God and the Holy Spirit, and I

was in tears and miserable until the moment I stepped foot in church

and felt the presence. I went as far as telling my boyfriend that I

needed to take part in communion and I couldn't do so if we were

intimate, because we were not married..and I had to have the

Eucharist, I couldn't live happily without every aspect of God that I

could find. I told his that we could no longer be intimate if I were

to do this properly. He agreed with me. I advanced so much in the

spirit, that year. I had previously been a very cold hearted young

woman, filled with anger and resentment. I would drink a lot and I

felt as if I had no conscience and no soul. In one year, I transformed

my life into someone that no one recognized. Mike was filled with

wonder, and he felt so happy to know me, and so privileged to be

near to me.

The spiritual practices I utilized, were like unto the safeties.

One day I let darkness seep in, by allowing myself to become anxious

and afraid.

What happened was that I began choosing what 'I' wanted, and ignoring

what 'I' really needed. 'I' wanted to sleep late and be lazy.

And so I did. I did, and little by little I stopped making time for

which to follow the forgiving and loving and praying practices.

Slowly, all of my peace drifted away.

I became an anxious person, and I always felt as though I was trying

to keep my head above water. I always felt like I was being sucked

under by something which was swallowing up my life from the very

depths of my soul..extracting everything, and leaving me void.

I believe that it was the darkness, which was allowed by me to seep

in. I tried many times, to fall back in line, but by then, I felt I

had separated into two. The spiritually advanced 'me', and a 'me' who

was light a black whole; unable to grab a hold of the 'me' who had

walked in the light, I felt as though I was on an ongoing downward

spiral. I became a person who was late for everything, and always in a

panic trying to get there on time. It was my own doing, because I gave

up the spiritual advancedness which I had given up all of 'me' to

achieve. It seemed as though the spiritual advancedness which I had

allowed to become me, took 'me' with it when I allowed it to leave,

and the 'I' which was left, was as a souless being.

Now it is years later.

I found this group and began carefully reading, when oneday it all

clicked in my mind, that I could get all of 'me' back if I could

reativate what I now know to be my Kundalini energy.

Before my first Shaktipat even began, my Kundalini became awakened,

just through practice of the safeites and wishing and hoping and

wanting it so badly, and feeling the Kundalini energy through posts on

the site.

That was my happiest day, when I became reactivated.

I felt better than a million dollars that day.

All of my pain left me. I found peace, and I felt as though the two

parts of me had finally come back together.

I am still having hard time staying focussed, with the practices..but

I'm forcing myself, when I need to.

I noticed something recently;

I noticed that I need to do the Tibetans at the same time each day.

Last Shaktipat, I wasn't kkeping a good routine.

I could've been waking up early, and doing them in the morning.

Instead, I was doing them all at once at night, and doing the chakra

meditatons then, too. It was a struggle for time, and it made me

nervous. I also noticed that when I did them at night, I had the

deepest, most incredibly peaceful sleep, but then all the next day, I

was not totally feeling innerpeace and joy..and my digestive system

was a little out of wack. Whan I would do it all in the morning, I

had incredible peace all day long, and I could take anyone's anxiety

away, just by my own peace and loving vibes..and my digestive system

was working perfectly.

Now I've been doing them in the morning, but one day I did them at

night instead. That day I felt dizzy, like part of me was falling and

falling and falling..down,down,down- all day long.

It was defintely my nudge to keep doing them in the morning, cause my

mind body and soul need it to feel completely balanced.

This is my own experience. I feel as though it says in summary, that

if you choose to become a higher form of you and then you choose to

throw it all away..part of you will go with it.

I hope that helps your understanding, without scaring you.

We are all so very different in our experience with life, that

some of us may need the light to pull us through different paths in

order for us to learn what we need for our progress of mind, body and

soul.

With much love,

Tara

, red buffalo

<redbffl wrote:

>

> Chrism

>

> Thanks so much for your response.

> I really appreciate it. (also I really needed it)

>

> Also I am so sorry that you have been through the hard way of

Koundalini.

>

> I have read some accounts of really bad experiences of K. and I

just can't believe it can happen!

>

> Most of all I don't understand why do they happen, if it is

supposed to be a God energy.

>

> Personally I haven't felt anything like that, maybe because I have

always thought that the K energy is something sacred, sacred as God

is, and God does not let anyone to be harm. And as I always think that

its the power of God, I haven't had the tiniest idea of all that you

are saying and of what I have read also in other places, although it

says that they are very rare symptoms.

>

> It makes me think a lot of things, like if I wanted to be in any

religion, for example, and the priest would tell me that if I don't

obey, I can be crazy, or suicidal, or very sick, or even death, that

would scare me a lot, and that would make me think, where is God ? so

I would run away from that religion brutally scared ! (in my opinion)

>

> In Shamanism there are some shamans that warns people that they

can be near death, before they get in, although I don't agree with

these shamans, they have some true, (I was called to shamanism in this

way, I was near death 3 months before getting inside the Shaman way)

although Ross Heaven states clearly that this is not a rule, but this

can happens, and I am here to state it. He sees this procedure as a

" call " from the ancestral shamans. The " serpent " in shamanism is the

telluric force that rise, and that the shaman has to control, and its

very dangerous, one has to be a super shaman to control this energy

and is considered an energy of the earth, but it does not arise inside

us but outside (as far as I have understood)

>

> You are very right in put your safeties, if you have seen all

this, and I am so sorry of having misunderstood your safeties, it was

pure ignorance from my side, as long as I am being aware of all this

bad effects.

>

> I didn't want to say that you are a fear pormoter, but I had to be

honest, cause I was scared when I read them, and then I began to

search the bad experiences in another places and I couldn't believe it.

>

> I still do not understand why an energy of God, makes all these

bad side effects???

> I am trying hard to understand, cause I believe that light is

light, and light has no room for darkness, as far as I understand the

God Love.

>

> Can this be a path similar to Shamanism? cause in shamanism one

can be hurt if one is not in alertness.

>

> I have felt the " serpent " in shamanism, but outside of me, and

inside, I have felt, something that was like waving up from my feet to

head, but I was never afraid of this feeling inside my body, but

sometimes got scared of the " serpent " when it is outside, cause it

makes a lot of noises, steps, cracks, talkings, invisible shamans

singing, and many other things, and in this you are right, cause if

the shaman has fear, the serpent amplifys everything, so one has to be

as strong as rocks, Once I was scared of rats, and then I was hearing

the serpent energy as rats crawling all over my meditation room! so I

immediately asked for help, and another shaman told me to shape shift

my way of perception of the energy, so immediately I shape shifted

this, you are very right, everything is in our mind. The mind is

capable of materialize everything even our worst nightmare if we are

not strong to defeat it, and we defeat it with strenght of mind,

knowledge, and most of all when one

> knows that most of the effects of the serpent is our hidden fears.

Once we defeat the serpent, we can communicate with spirits. I don't

know if you have seen the effects of the K energy, as you call it,

from outside your body? This has a tremendous force, and its extremely

dangerous if the shaman is not strong. As long as I can see the K

energy is like the shamanism, but instead of outside, it rises from

inside, isn't it ? is this a way to talk to God or spirits ? or just

to heal ?

>

> Well I need to know all this, cause I was thinking that it was

God's energy and if it is like the shamanism, one has to control this

energy, and of course if it is the same as the serpent, as you said

before, one has to be prepared.

>

> I have felt this energy inside me, and has been very kind and

sweet with me, I would like to know when is when one knows that the K

energy has totally aroused ? I mean what are the symptoms, when one is

ready ?

>

> I am very grateful with you, and I ask your forgiveness because I

have misunderstood everything.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Blessings

> Ady

>

Adriana.

>

> Building a website is a piece of cake.

> Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

>

September 17, 2007

That was nice to read Tara.... Thanks!

Blessings to you and all the group..

Paul

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