Question about Kriyas and related phenomena

July 26, 2007

After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is this

a stage that we will all face?

Sarita

July 26, 2007

Sarita:

I'm not answering for Chrism. I understand your concerns.

I will give a testimony.

Betty has not been working under Chrism's guidance to my knowledge

I've been working under Chrism's guidance since June 2006.

I have had wonderful experiences.

The only shaking and twisting I've done was while dancing at my

daughters wedding last September (self induced) .

All the other times were self induced ---and as a Gentleman I will

keep the details private.

If I live to be 110, I hope to never endure what Betty has described!

I wish her well!

:)

SC

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

> stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

> well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is

this

> a stage that we will all face?

>

> Sarita

>

July 26, 2007

No Sarita not necessarily. I know others may disagree but we are

individuals and we experience the Kundalini in an individual format.

Some symptoms are common in that we all feel them but the degree that

we feel them is still individual.

Betsy's experience is her's alone.

Sherri was having Kriyas when we first met in 2005. Hers were light and

bouncy at the time of that seminar. I do know she's had stronger ones,

and for much longer periods of time than what others have experienced.

So it is similar and unique at the same time.

You may have kriyas, you may not, it is dependant upon the expression

of the Kundalini in you. Read what you see here with that in mind

always my friend.

You are an individual expression of consciousness. And as we all

breathe we breathe at different rates. And as all of our hearts beat

they beat at different rates and different frequencies. As we all have

eyes we see in different ways. So too is our experience with the

Kundalini.

The safeties will smooth an activation but they will not deny you of

its tactile applications, as you may have already experienced (snicker)-

July 26, 2007

Thank you Stephen! I always value your input.

Sarita

, " Stephen AKA

Master Condrey " <stephencondrey wrote:

>

> Sarita:

>

> I'm not answering for Chrism. I understand your concerns.

>

> I will give a testimony.

>

> Betty has not been working under Chrism's guidance to my knowledge

>

> I've been working under Chrism's guidance since June 2006.

> I have had wonderful experiences.

>

> The only shaking and twisting I've done was while dancing at my

> daughters wedding last September (self induced) .

> All the other times were self induced ---and as a Gentleman I will

> keep the details private.

>

> If I live to be 110, I hope to never endure what Betty has

described!

> I wish her well!

> :)

> SC

>

> , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

> > stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

> > well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is

> this

> > a stage that we will all face?

> >

> > Sarita

> >

>

July 26, 2007

Hey, no snickering allowed!

I already experience some kriyas, but they generally come in the

middle of the night. I was just wondering if they would get so

severe that I would be unable to work and function in my life.

Thanks Chrism!

Sarita

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> No Sarita not necessarily. I know others may disagree but we are

> individuals and we experience the Kundalini in an individual

format.

> Some symptoms are common in that we all feel them but the degree

that

> we feel them is still individual.

>

> Betsy's experience is her's alone.

>

> Sherri was having Kriyas when we first met in 2005. Hers were light

and

> bouncy at the time of that seminar. I do know she's had stronger

ones,

> and for much longer periods of time than what others have

experienced.

> So it is similar and unique at the same time.

>

> You may have kriyas, you may not, it is dependant upon the

expression

> of the Kundalini in you. Read what you see here with that in mind

> always my friend.

>

> You are an individual expression of consciousness. And as we all

> breathe we breathe at different rates. And as all of our hearts

beat

> they beat at different rates and different frequencies. As we all

have

> eyes we see in different ways. So too is our experience with the

> Kundalini.

>

> The safeties will smooth an activation but they will not deny you

of

> its tactile applications, as you may have already experienced

(snicker)-

>

July 27, 2007

Sarita: After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas

and with the stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go

through that as well? Will we have an easier time because

of the Safeties or is this a stage that we will all face?

Sarita, I make the claim that everyone who wants to

fully awaken will have to go through the intense kriays. This

I can say because I can see the sense and purpose

of it. The kriyas are the bodies way to remove the

personality from the body. I like finding this out, because

now I realize that all the games of people claiming to

be enlighented and of being masters for years or the

game of who is more aware than another is finished

wiht the revelation of the physical step. I am so happy

that these games of ego can be dismissed once and

for all. I understand people

who have not been through this have different

opinions, and will make interpretations

about what is my experience. I accept that, nothing

to do about it. I want to tell anybody, yes it's hard,

but also this is the fact of nature, growing is a physical

process. You can not bring a child into this world without

passing through physical body changes, growth and pain

at labor. Do people want to continue to believe in the

fantasy that one is spontaneously enlightened with a state

of bliss without having to go through a physical change?

I understand why people like to believe that.

To ease people's fears, yes, it is hard but most of it is

like going into an intense physical therapy, it hurts to

move muscles and ligaments in ways that you have never

done. But the pain is much like that in a work out and the

muscles heal quickly and you are ready to go again soon.

Individuals going through this will have different experiences

because they have to unwind the energy cord of their

personality, which will give each their unique challenge.

But everyone is capable to do it and never is one given

more than they can handle. In regards to having space

to do it, in case this happens to you. Don't worry, what

you need will be provided for you -- always. Not to

mention that the kriyas for most part can be supressed,

but you will then suffer discomfort from tension, so one

can still do daily necessities. It's totally amazing to me

how a human can metamorphosis while awake, not having

to go into a cocoon or something like that.

I decide to post another account today, to try to

show the sense of all this kriya activity, that there

is a reason for it, it has been building towards this

event. I think it ends very soon, in that the spinal column

and bone movement thing will finish.

The tailbone physically starts to move, it tucks under towards

the genitals and the hips rock back and forth with the sacrum

pushing downwards in the back. The energy in the pelvic

bowl builds and creates a huge vortex causing visible

vibration in the legs. The spine curves, the head moves

towards the spine, then the corkscrew like energy in the

pelvic bowl moves up the spine to the skull. Twisting

all tissue that is attached to any part of the spinal column

encompassed by the dura mater. (This is possible because

of all the kriya stretching done before, which was working

towards this conclusion). The corkscrew moves up

the spine twisting all and when it goes up the neck then

the skull follows along with it, twisting around like a ball.

this is possible that the skull turns like this because all

the sutures and bones have been loosened from previous

work. This is where it's at today, nearly all joints are

perfectly aligned on both sides of the body. My shoulder

dropped last night to a new position, the elbows are turning,

I feel longer in body. The movement from the tailbone

to the skull is sort of a whipping motion, sort of like

a crayfish propelling itself through the water. If you look

at a picture of the spinal column and skull encompassed

by the dura mater, you will see it looks sort of like

a tadpole. Anyway, I never expected it would be quite

like this and still I am amazed my body is doing this.

Betsy

July 28, 2007

I agree. My experiences were extreme and without anyones guidance, which is one

reason I am so grateful for and what he does to help people travel

through this kundalini maze withut the pain, terror or huge heat discomfort that

I experienced and why I try to support this group in any way I can.

However in defense of the maligned kyria, I felt and still feel extreme bliss

when experiencing them, and people come around me wanting to feel whatever I am

obviously feeling. (When I am in spiritual groups, etc.) I can touch or intend

energy into or through another, following the energy and gently amplify their

energy flow until they begin to tremble or shake. They get this amazed and

humbled expression on their faces as they personally experience God for maybe

the first time and are awed and grateful to me, but I am only a conduit to help

others " know " this for the first time. And once you have experienced it, the

body has the information to go back and experience it again. (It also makes love

making a very new experience as you and the universe are really " making love " to

the other, experiencing divine connection and the resulting bliss is pretty

amazing).

So I would not trade my past (although quite awful to experience at the time)

and present experiences with kyrias for anything. For me it is like being able

to plug into the God source at any time and I get electrified!!!! (no longer

electrocuted, thank goodness.)

Just my thoughts.....

Sherri

--

The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein

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" Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey

Sarita:

I'm not answering for Chrism. I understand your concerns.

I will give a testimony.

Betty has not been working under Chrism's guidance to my knowledge

I've been working under Chrism's guidance since June 2006.

I have had wonderful experiences.

The only shaking and twisting I've done was while dancing at my

daughters wedding last September (self induced) .

All the other times were self induced ---and as a Gentleman I will

keep the details private.

If I live to be 110, I hope to never endure what Betty has described!

I wish her well!

:)

SC

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

> stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

> well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is

this

> a stage that we will all face?

>

> Sarita

>

July 28, 2007

Ahh, Chrism, your snicker has me laughing so hard I may fall off this computer

chair! Really, really funny.

In gratefulness (for kundalini " in " jokes),

Sherri

--

The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein

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" chrism " <>

No Sarita not necessarily. I know others may disagree but we are

individuals and we experience the Kundalini in an individual format.

Some symptoms are common in that we all feel them but the degree that

we feel them is still individual.

Betsy's experience is her's alone.

Sherri was having Kriyas when we first met in 2005. Hers were light and

bouncy at the time of that seminar. I do know she's had stronger ones,

and for much longer periods of time than what others have experienced.

So it is similar and unique at the same time.

You may have kriyas, you may not, it is dependant upon the expression

of the Kundalini in you. Read what you see here with that in mind

always my friend.

You are an individual expression of consciousness. And as we all

breathe we breathe at different rates. And as all of our hearts beat

they beat at different rates and different frequencies. As we all have

eyes we see in different ways. So too is our experience with the

Kundalini.

The safeties will smooth an activation but they will not deny you of

its tactile applications, as you may have already experienced (snicker)-

July 28, 2007

Sherri when you do this sort of thing, do you consider it a form of

Shakti? When reading your post my mind went back to a time when a

teacher first passed that energy through me so yes I agree with you

whole-heartedly. Reflecting back on that time I think it took less

than 6 months to learn to reproduce that situation or maybe it was an

instant thing, depending on how you look at it. You mentioned

experience it again I learned to create it, the experience that is.

Also Sherri when you do this have you tried to connect lets say a

small group maybe 5 5to 10 people into one conscious thought? Maybe

I'm getting way ahead or way out there but that is what I use to do.

Take people into astral planes as a group. With what your saying you

are in that direction of being able to connect people with the K energy.

Chrism I totally agree with your statement as it being a personal

experience and there are greater and lesser degrees to kriyas, and

wouldn't challenge anyone about their spirituality by their degree of

pain and suffering. What I would say about this is something that

words cannot fully describe, but then how could they, as it is not on

a verbal intellect. As I have said before I have been with the kriyas

movements for some 35 years and have no problem with it now. There

have been some awkward moments in the past but it changes and a key

factor or a phrase that I would say is `where the mind goes, the body

flows'.

Maybe it was that I learned a way of doing yoga different than most,

or that I'm different but that is mostly what is saying, we are

all different in our commonality. We are all students as we are

teachers and we have this common vibration with which we can connect.

, kaliese wrote:

They get this amazed and humbled expression on their faces as they

personally experience God for maybe the first time and are awed and

grateful to me, but I am only a conduit to help others " know " this for

the first time. And once you have experienced it, the body has the

information to go back and experience it again. (It also makes love

making a very new experience as you and the universe are really

" making love " to the other, experiencing divine connection and the

resulting bliss is pretty amazing).

>

> So I would not trade my past (although quite awful to experience at

the time) and present experiences with kyrias for anything. For me it

is like being able to plug into the God source at any time and I get

electrified!!!! (no longer electrocuted, thank goodness.)

>

> Just my thoughts.....

>

> Sherri

>

> --

> The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than

rule-Albert Einstein

>

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> " Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey

> Sarita:

>

> I'm not answering for Chrism. I understand your concerns.

>

> I will give a testimony.

>

> Betty has not been working under Chrism's guidance to my knowledge

>

> I've been working under Chrism's guidance since June 2006.

> I have had wonderful experiences.

>

> The only shaking and twisting I've done was while dancing at my

> daughters wedding last September (self induced) .

> All the other times were self induced ---and as a Gentleman I will

> keep the details private.

>

> If I live to be 110, I hope to never endure what Betty has described!

> I wish her well!

> :)

> SC

>

> , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

> > stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

> > well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is

> this

> > a stage that we will all face?

> >

> > Sarita

> >

>

July 28, 2007

Sherri, all that sounds so similar with what I have witness others

and also experienced myself when being filled with the Holy Spirit.

There is the uncontrollable shaking and bliss and speaking in

tongues.

Love

Linda

, kaliese

wrote:

>

> I agree. My experiences were extreme and without anyones guidance,

which is one reason I am so grateful for and what he does to

help people travel through this kundalini maze withut the pain,

terror or huge heat discomfort that I experienced and why I try to

support this group in any way I can.

>

> However in defense of the maligned kyria, I felt and still feel

extreme bliss when experiencing them, and people come around me

wanting to feel whatever I am obviously feeling. (When I am in

spiritual groups, etc.) I can touch or intend energy into or through

another, following the energy and gently amplify their energy flow

until they begin to tremble or shake. They get this amazed and

humbled expression on their faces as they personally experience God

for maybe the first time and are awed and grateful to me, but I am

only a conduit to help others " know " this for the first time. And

once you have experienced it, the body has the information to go back

and experience it again. (It also makes love making a very new

experience as you and the universe are really " making love " to the

other, experiencing divine connection and the resulting bliss is

pretty amazing).

>

> So I would not trade my past (although quite awful to experience at

the time) and present experiences with kyrias for anything. For me

it is like being able to plug into the God source at any time and I

get electrified!!!! (no longer electrocuted, thank goodness.)

>

> Just my thoughts.....

>

> Sherri

>

> --

> The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-

Albert Einstein

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> " Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey

> Sarita:

>

> I'm not answering for Chrism. I understand your concerns.

>

> I will give a testimony.

>

> Betty has not been working under Chrism's guidance to my knowledge

>

> I've been working under Chrism's guidance since June 2006.

> I have had wonderful experiences.

>

> The only shaking and twisting I've done was while dancing at my

> daughters wedding last September (self induced) .

> All the other times were self induced ---and as a Gentleman I will

> keep the details private.

>

> If I live to be 110, I hope to never endure what Betty has

described!

> I wish her well!

> :)

> SC

>

> , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading Betsy's intense experience with Kriyas and with the

> > stretching, etc I am wondering if we all will go through that as

> > well? Will we have an easier time because of the Safeties or is

> this

> > a stage that we will all face?

> >

> > Sarita

> >

>

July 29, 2007

Well, I am in service as to what and where and when to run energy to people.

Intentions work well without actually doing anything, making eye contact, such

as at the grocery store with a checker and sending that way is good, and then

there are people who come here and ask for something and the structured times in

the Tantra pujas when it is all about giving information and bumping people and

couples along a bit further as well as at the end when some of us just lay down

together, touch gently and shake and laugh.

So yes, when I am directed to run energy to someone and have their permission

(sometimes from the higher self) I am then a channel for the energy to go

through me and to the other person.

Working with 5 to 10 would be interesting and I have done a bit of that when

asked, long distance, with only a computer introduction. There are usually

around 40 people in a puja. And I am sometimes just holding the space for the

room(eyes up and fluttering and tounge up) , sort of out of my body and peering

down at what is happening below me, energetically. I do not see the actual

people, just their energy.

And am available to try things with with the folks on this group.

It was very interesting to read your post and experiences as I am almost 62 and

had this wild awakening when I was around 40.

In gratefulness,

Sherri

--

The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein

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