Hi, I'm Richard...: Elektra Fire

[Guest guest]

I had to look a way back for this one, sorry.

 

Tantic energy? I have so much to learn. I need something to read.

 

I've never really considered channeling while playing the piano in terms

of the experience of meditation. It can happen by degrees from light to

heavy. I've been told when I'm heavy 'in' my eyes go glassy, but this

is where it's confusing. I have good recall in my meditation work but

after channeling at the piano I can't recall a note I played.

 

It that's typical of channeling?

 

-richard

 

 

 

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Hi Richard, enjoyed to read your intro and story. Nice

> to meet you.

> I am sure that playing music is another journey into

> awakening as when you are at the level where you can

> just be open and let the music " flow " through you, you

> are channeling tantic energy. I love that.

>

> Blessings to you Richard, Elektra x x x

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is sometimes regarding the channeling. I believe Elektra is refereeing to "Tantric" energy though. -

[Guest guest]

Richard,

 

It could certainly be a shift in consciousness. Many times after I

have told people about their future or other events that I have no

business knowing, I can't remember anything that I have said. I am

pretty sure I was not channeling. Just shifting states of

consciousness. That's just me.

 

BlessU

Sam

 

, " richard "

<eyeoneblack wrote:

>

>

> I had to look a way back for this one, sorry.

>

> Tantic energy? I have so much to learn. I need something to read.

>

> I've never really considered channeling while playing the piano in terms

> of the experience of meditation. It can happen by degrees from light to

> heavy. I've been told when I'm heavy 'in' my eyes go glassy, but this

> is where it's confusing. I have good recall in my meditation work but

> after channeling at the piano I can't recall a note I played.

>

> It that's typical of channeling?

>

> -richard

>

>

>

>

> , Elektra Fire

> <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Richard, enjoyed to read your intro and story. Nice

> > to meet you.

> > I am sure that playing music is another journey into

> > awakening as when you are at the level where you can

> > just be open and let the music " flow " through you, you

> > are channeling tantic energy. I love that.

> >

> > Blessings to you Richard, Elektra x x x

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

no need to immerse yourself in mystical fluff. try reading " Flow: The

Psychology of Optimal Experience " . as research related to that book

and inspired by it has shown, testably and under controlled

conditions, most good performers/great athletes/gifted professionals

unknowingly enter at least a light trance and generally experience an

altered state of cognition, often not remembering details of the

event, or recalling it with a more dreamlike, illusory quality of

sensation if made to reflect upon what transpired. it is essentially

a type of self-hypnosis. the " eyes going glassy " indicates probably a

shift of brainwaves into mid-alpha at least. merely closing the eyes

is generally enough to make a minor shift to high alpha brainwaves.

the primary reason to practice (anything) is not mental, but rather

psycho-physiological; programming or conditioning the mind/body link

or at least fine-tuning it. I do this all the time, and have since I

was very young, on occasion people will notice a qualitative shift, as

though it's a different person. in a sense it is exactly that. I

also will write music or code a small application, return to it later

with little recollection of having written anything. this is a very

Western perspective I'm giving and tinged with personal experience and

interpretation, so caveat emptor. I wouldn't call it 'channeling' per

se but it seems to have similar mechanisms functioning, and in common

with some [real] Tantric and meditative/esoteric practices.

 

-brian

 

, " richard "

<eyeoneblack wrote:

>

>

> I had to look a way back for this one, sorry.

> Tantic energy? I have so much to learn. I need something to read.

 

 

> I've never really considered channeling while playing the piano in terms

> of the experience of meditation. It can happen by degrees from light to

> heavy. I've been told when I'm heavy 'in' my eyes go glassy, but this

> is where it's confusing. I have good recall in my meditation work but

> after channeling at the piano I can't recall a note I played.

>

> It that's typical of channeling?

>

> -richard

[Guest guest]

> it seems to have similar mechanisms functioning, and in common

> with some [real] Tantric and meditative/esoteric practices.

>

> -brian

>

The psycho/phisiological workings of the " flow " would be interesting

reading. I'm currently studying the structures and functionality of the

limbic brain (brian). Meditating, concentrating light and energy on

specific areas is surprising work - the hippocampus being my target

lately. Research has indicated sharp wave bursts in the hippocampus are

associated with theta and gamma waves which are an odd pairing. Theta

being associated with the hypnagogic state and gamma with higher mental

function.

 

I really would like to know more about the [real] Tantric and

meditative/esoteric practices.

[Guest guest]

> The psycho/phisiological workings of the " flow " would be

> interesting reading.

it is a whole area of study, the book I mentioned is pretty 'fluffy'

and injects a lot of sophistry and speculation but it's a good start

on the topic - it was a simplification of the author's " real " academic

work after all, and intended for mass consumption.

 

> I'm currently studying the structures and functionality of the

> limbic brain (brian).

ah, yes. there are some nifty speculators you will find on the

fringe, who talk about lizard-like extraterrestrials pulling the

strings here and so forth, bloodlines of " reptilian " royalty and

celebrities etc. all quite interesting in that the limbic system,

which is largely the basis of society, did in fact originate with the

reptilian stage of evolution, so in a metaphorical sense they're right

about this one. you'd probably like the popularized theories of the

tripartite brain (reptilian, mammalian, human) as well.

 

> Meditating, concentrating light and energy on

> specific areas is surprising work

yes, it does 'feel' like it has an effect, i.e. that there is indeed a

tenuous " substance " in the human constitution, that seems to respond

to imagination and the potency of focused intent. in most it's either

dormant or moves us unconsciously or automatically but you can

definitely start to work consciously with it instead, i.e. to

manipulate or arouse it with conscious intention.

 

> Theta being associated with the hypnagogic state and gamma

> with higher mental function.

hypnagogy (the state between awake and asleep) is low-alpha to

high-theta, yes, while lower theta is dream/vision/hallucination.

I've been in states-a-plenty where strongly visual and/or imagery was

accompanied by higher mental functioning, in fact I consciously TRY to

enter such states with the aid of certain types of music, visuals,

and/or intellectual activity. I was also into hemisync and the like,

and own a " mind machine " - first started playing with brainwave sync

when I discovered it was out there, at like 15-16 in fact :-)

 

> I really would like to know more about the [real] Tantric and

> meditative/esoteric practices.

I mean 'real' practices as opposed to the stuff findable in the

spirituality market i.e. " enlightenment for sale " that typically

indulges the Western fascination with phenomena, personality

improvement, sexuality, and obsession with the physical body.

 

cheers,

-brian

[Guest guest]

Whoops Richard, I meant " Tantric " energy.

Typo I'm afraid, x x x

Love Elektra

 

By the way, loved the whole journey of your messages

with lovely Dhyana, just beautiful and full of twists

and turns.

Loved it.

 

 

--- richard <eyeoneblack wrote:

 

>

> I had to look a way back for this one, sorry.

>

> Tantic energy? I have so much to learn. I need

> something to read.

>

> I've never really considered channeling while

> playing the piano in terms

> of the experience of meditation. It can happen by

> degrees from light to

> heavy. I've been told when I'm heavy 'in' my eyes

> go glassy, but this

> is where it's confusing. I have good recall in my

> meditation work but

> after channeling at the piano I can't recall a note

> I played.

>

> It that's typical of channeling?

>

> -richard

>

>

>

>

> --- In

> ,

> Elektra Fire

> <elektra.fire wrote:

> >

> > Hi Richard, enjoyed to read your intro and story.

> Nice

> > to meet you.

> > I am sure that playing music is another journey

> into

> > awakening as when you are at the level where you

> can

> > just be open and let the music " flow " through you,

> you

> > are channeling tantic energy. I love that.

> >

> > Blessings to you Richard, Elektra x x x

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear all, when I use the word " channeling " , I mean

being open to allow the creative flow to move without

blockage, a trance like state is induced and a

surrendering takes place, rather then the " mind "

controlling it.

 

I agree that many important discoveries and

advancements are made due to this state that humans

(and animals no doubt) can reach.

Heightened awareness. Higher conciousness. Super

conciousness.

 

Being an open channel.

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

--- a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote:

 

> no need to immerse yourself in mystical fluff. try

> reading " Flow: The

> Psychology of Optimal Experience " . as research

> related to that book

> and inspired by it has shown, testably and under

> controlled

> conditions, most good performers/great

> athletes/gifted professionals

> unknowingly enter at least a light trance and

> generally experience an

> altered state of cognition, often not remembering

> details of the

> event, or recalling it with a more dreamlike,

> illusory quality of

> sensation if made to reflect upon what transpired.

> it is essentially

> a type of self-hypnosis. the " eyes going glassy "

> indicates probably a

> shift of brainwaves into mid-alpha at least. merely

> closing the eyes

> is generally enough to make a minor shift to high

> alpha brainwaves.

> the primary reason to practice (anything) is not

> mental, but rather

> psycho-physiological; programming or conditioning

> the mind/body link

> or at least fine-tuning it. I do this all the time,

> and have since I

> was very young, on occasion people will notice a

> qualitative shift, as

> though it's a different person. in a sense it is

> exactly that. I

> also will write music or code a small application,

> return to it later

> with little recollection of having written anything.

> this is a very

> Western perspective I'm giving and tinged with

> personal experience and

> interpretation, so caveat emptor. I wouldn't call

> it 'channeling' per

> se but it seems to have similar mechanisms

> functioning, and in common

> with some [real] Tantric and meditative/esoteric

> practices.

>

> -brian

>

> --- In

> ,

> " richard "

> <eyeoneblack wrote:

> >

> >

> > I had to look a way back for this one, sorry.

> > Tantic energy? I have so much to learn. I need

> something to read.

>

>

> > I've never really considered channeling while

> playing the piano in terms

> > of the experience of meditation. It can happen by

> degrees from light to

> > heavy. I've been told when I'm heavy 'in' my eyes

> go glassy, but this

> > is where it's confusing. I have good recall in my

> meditation work but

> > after channeling at the piano I can't recall a

> note I played.

> >

> > It that's typical of channeling?

> >

> > -richard

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear all, when I use the word " channeling " , I mean

> being open to allow the creative flow to move without

> blockage, a trance like state is induced and a

> surrendering takes place, rather then the " mind "

> controlling it.

I'd agree, but add the disclaimer that the 'creative flow' can only

express itself to the degree that you have capacities FOR its

expression. those capacities or skills are developed through 'mind

control'. you need both virtuosity (developed through practice and

self-control), and the ability to " surrender " and allow expression of

that virtuosity to come naturally. that's the whole point of

practice, to make the routine details " automatic " so you CAN express

something of a higher level. otherwise we're limited to unconscious

automatisms.

 

> I agree that many important discoveries and

> advancements are made due to this state that humans

> (and animals no doubt) can reach.

I highly doubt the 'animals' part. they lack the reflective cognition

of rational ego, and basically live in the alpha-theta-delta realm, so

they have no need to " reach " outside it nor to escape from the

confines of the artificiality that our self-awareness imposes on us.

this doesn't make them superior or inferior, just qualitatively

different from us. If anything, those most 'advanced' among them want

to develop, and in time will develop, the same thing many of us want

to escape from... our self-reflective mind and ego. most of them

probably associate with humans for exactly this reason - and the ones

with the most interaction with humans are our domestic pets, lab

animals, and the livestock we raise as food and product sources.

 

> Heightened awareness. Higher conciousness. Super

> conciousness.

yes. but it is pretty clear from the descriptions of those who've

experienced (or claimed experience of) such states, that they are NOT

" trance " states at all, but in fact are as far elevated above ordinary

wakefulness as waking egoic consciousness is above normal dreaming.

after all you yourself are using the words " heightened " , " higher " and

" super " , which imply that they are 'above' not below, normal awareness.

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

> yes. but it is pretty clear from the descriptions

> of those who've

> experienced (or claimed experience of) such states,

> that they are NOT

> " trance " states at all, but in fact are as far

> elevated above ordinary

> wakefulness as waking egoic consciousness is above

> normal dreaming.

> after all you yourself are using the words

> " heightened " , " higher " and

> " super " , which imply that they are 'above' not

> below, normal awareness.

 

Brian, when speaking of " higher " things, it is just a

word used to describe something. It's not really

implying anything, it's just words used to describe a

vibration. And the word " super " means very large, as

in when we are fully connected (and aware of it) to

the great internet in the sky.

If we sit and debate the use of certain words in

language we would be here for ever disagreeing. We

know that conciousness is all one but until we have

reached the enlightened state we need words to explain

certain concepts.

 

So, thanks for the feedback, but have to say don't

nessecarily agree with you on that one.

 

And, I believe animals can reach many heightened

states, when a cat hunts it's pray it can stand still

at a spot with concerntration some humans fall well

short of reaching, and cats astral travel.

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

[Guest guest]

> And, I believe animals can reach many heightened

> states, when a cat hunts it's pray it can stand still

> at a spot with concerntration some humans fall well

> short of reaching, and cats astral travel.

>

> Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

A couple of years ago I was standing in my den in front of the fire

staring blankly at my cat who was curled at my feet. Suddenly he went

hot pink - he became light. I blinked and he was black again, and again

he went pink. I was blown away. Was it something about him being

black? So I cut out various shapes, irregular " portals " , covered them

with black material and stuck them on wall. They never went pink or any

other color. So I drew the conclusion that it wasn't because he was

black, rather because he was a cat. (I know that seems like a silly

experiment but I'm not going to bother with my rationale).

 

Recently, reading some material on REM research, the authors stated that

cats were used for subjects because they experience REM sleep and they

sleep a lot. I think most any cat owner (likely Elektra) has watched a

cat stare for a period of time at " something " we can't see (or at least

I can't). Cats have are naturals and surely must be psychic travelers.

 

I have a couple of cats that live with me, but they're wild - look, feed

but don't touch. Cats are pretty wary even when they're sleeping. It's

hard to sneak up on a wild one. But I've noticed they have a " deep "

sleep. I've petted the wild ones for a moment before they realized it.

 

(I'm sorry this is so disjointed - haven't finished my first cup of

coffee yet!) Why are witches associated with black cats? or the other

way around if you like.

 

So, I tried a little experiment recently. Some people on the Saltcube

site were trying to meet up in an astral location. Fairly early in the

discussion I told them I'd join in and that I'd be the one with the

fuchsia cat. Of course I was kidding, but I thought it might be

possible.

 

The night of the " meeting " I didn't feel like it was a good night for me

but I picked up the black cat that had gone pink and sent him to find

the others. (The action of sending him was interesting. I dropped into

a deep trance almost instantly as I said the words and then popped right

back out of it. It's the sense I get when I project. William Buhlman

calls it a 'vacuum', I prefer 'profound nothingnes'. I thought " You

know, that might have WORKED " .)

 

The next day one of the first posts was from a guy who had encountered a

large cat and carried him around.

 

How 'bout that?

 

-richard

[Guest guest]

> Recently, reading some material on REM research, the authors

> stated that cats were used for subjects because they experience

> REM sleep and they sleep a lot. I think most any cat owner

> (likely Elektra) has watched a cat stare for a period of time

> at " something " we can't see (or at least I can't). Cats have

> are naturals and surely must be psychic travelers.

 

the place of the cat in Egyptian society is well-known (and accepted

even by the 'experts') - and of course Egypt was perhaps the most

'magical' society of record. they venerated, and even worshipped

feline goddesses (the cat Bast, the lion Sekhmet) in some periods of

time. cats were allowed free reign and there were severe penalties

for mistreatment or killing of these animals. cats were included also

in the practice of mummification (which is widely held by esoteric

traditions to have been an attempt to preserve not the physical but

the astral or etheric body beyond its usual period before

disintegrating after the death of the physical body.

 

for more details, consult this wikipedia article

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt)

 

though have a laugh at this part:

" " "

The exaltation of cats in Ancient Egypt most likely began with their

contribution to agriculture. Feral cats, or " reed cats " , naturally

preyed upon the rats and other vermin that would otherwise eat from

the royal granaries. They earned their place in towns and cities by

killing mice, poisonous snakes and other pests.

" " "

as you can see, the experts believe that the cats' service as pest

control was so valuable that they were elevated to godly status...

does anyone else find this hilarious? :-D gives me new respect for

the Orkin man (http://www.orkin.com/pestcontrol/the_pest_threat.aspx)!!

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

Well Richard and Elektra,

Cats are associated with witches, especially black ones.

They sit down and purr for ages... Obviously they are doing qigong.

They stretch a lot.

They are associated with the underworld in Ancient Egypt.

They do lots of energy exchanges... I can really feel it around cats.

Jaguars are sacred in south america (but maybe just cos they are

scary!)

One of my teachers, who advocated eating meat, stressed the

importance of not eating " special animals " ie spiritually advanced

ones. He didnt mention cats but he said foxes were special animals.

Bless

 

, " richard O "

<eyeoneblack wrote:

>

>

> > And, I believe animals can reach many heightened

> > states, when a cat hunts it's pray it can stand still

> > at a spot with concerntration some humans fall well

> > short of reaching, and cats astral travel.

> >

> > Much love Elektra x x x

>

>

> A couple of years ago I was standing in my den in front of the fire

> staring blankly at my cat who was curled at my feet. Suddenly he

went

> hot pink - he became light. I blinked and he was black again, and

again

> he went pink. I was blown away. Was it something about him being

> black? So I cut out various shapes, irregular " portals " , covered

them

> with black material and stuck them on wall. They never went pink

or any

> other color. So I drew the conclusion that it wasn't because he was

> black, rather because he was a cat. (I know that seems like a silly

> experiment but I'm not going to bother with my rationale).

>

> Recently, reading some material on REM research, the authors stated

that

> cats were used for subjects because they experience REM sleep and

they

> sleep a lot. I think most any cat owner (likely Elektra) has

watched a

> cat stare for a period of time at " something " we can't see (or at

least

> I can't). Cats have are naturals and surely must be psychic

travelers.

>

> I have a couple of cats that live with me, but they're wild - look,

feed

> but don't touch. Cats are pretty wary even when they're sleeping.

It's

> hard to sneak up on a wild one. But I've noticed they have a " deep "

> sleep. I've petted the wild ones for a moment before they realized

it.

>

> (I'm sorry this is so disjointed - haven't finished my first cup of

> coffee yet!) Why are witches associated with black cats? or the

other

> way around if you like.

>

> So, I tried a little experiment recently. Some people on the

Saltcube

> site were trying to meet up in an astral location. Fairly early in

the

> discussion I told them I'd join in and that I'd be the one with the

> fuchsia cat. Of course I was kidding, but I thought it might be

> possible.

>

> The night of the " meeting " I didn't feel like it was a good night

for me

> but I picked up the black cat that had gone pink and sent him to

find

> the others. (The action of sending him was interesting. I dropped

into

> a deep trance almost instantly as I said the words and then popped

right

> back out of it. It's the sense I get when I project. William

Buhlman

> calls it a 'vacuum', I prefer 'profound nothingnes'. I thought " You

> know, that might have WORKED " .)

>

> The next day one of the first posts was from a guy who had

encountered a

> large cat and carried him around.

>

> How 'bout that?

>

> -richard

>

[Guest guest]

HOW DARE YOU REFER TO LORD ORKIN AS A MERE MAN.

 

, " a_seventh_son "

<a_seventh_son wrote:

>

> > Recently, reading some material on REM research, the authors

> > stated that cats were used for subjects because they experience

> > REM sleep and they sleep a lot. I think most any cat owner

> > (likely Elektra) has watched a cat stare for a period of time

> > at " something " we can't see (or at least I can't). Cats have

> > are naturals and surely must be psychic travelers.

>

> the place of the cat in Egyptian society is well-known (and accepted

> even by the 'experts') - and of course Egypt was perhaps the most

> 'magical' society of record. they venerated, and even worshipped

> feline goddesses (the cat Bast, the lion Sekhmet) in some periods of

> time. cats were allowed free reign and there were severe penalties

> for mistreatment or killing of these animals. cats were included

also

> in the practice of mummification (which is widely held by esoteric

> traditions to have been an attempt to preserve not the physical but

> the astral or etheric body beyond its usual period before

> disintegrating after the death of the physical body.

>

> for more details, consult this wikipedia article

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt)

>

> though have a laugh at this part:

> " " "

> The exaltation of cats in Ancient Egypt most likely began with their

> contribution to agriculture. Feral cats, or " reed cats " , naturally

> preyed upon the rats and other vermin that would otherwise eat from

> the royal granaries. They earned their place in towns and cities by

> killing mice, poisonous snakes and other pests.

> " " "

> as you can see, the experts believe that the cats' service as pest

> control was so valuable that they were elevated to godly status...

> does anyone else find this hilarious? :-D gives me new respect for

> the Orkin man

(http://www.orkin.com/pestcontrol/the_pest_threat.aspx)!!

>

> -brian

>

[Guest guest]

I often have a giggle when I read books that talk of

goddess worship back thousands of years ago and the

scientists or " experts " tell us that it's because

humans didn't understand the mans part in procreation,

we were too primitive (obviously we must be primitive

and ignorant to worship the divine feminine).

 

And as soon as men realised they played a part in it,

they blamed eve for everything and made God a man I

suppose?

 

Experts always assume that we were without knowledge

back then.

Simple and bumpkin like.

Thats how they built the pyramids then!!!

 

Love Elektra x x x

 

--- a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote:

 

> > Recently, reading some material on REM research,

> the authors

> > stated that cats were used for subjects because

> they experience

> > REM sleep and they sleep a lot. I think most any

> cat owner

> > (likely Elektra) has watched a cat stare for a

> period of time

> > at " something " we can't see (or at least I can't).

> Cats have

> > are naturals and surely must be psychic travelers.

>

> the place of the cat in Egyptian society is

> well-known (and accepted

> even by the 'experts') - and of course Egypt was

> perhaps the most

> 'magical' society of record. they venerated, and

> even worshipped

> feline goddesses (the cat Bast, the lion Sekhmet) in

> some periods of

> time. cats were allowed free reign and there were

> severe penalties

> for mistreatment or killing of these animals. cats

> were included also

> in the practice of mummification (which is widely

> held by esoteric

> traditions to have been an attempt to preserve not

> the physical but

> the astral or etheric body beyond its usual period

> before

> disintegrating after the death of the physical body.

>

> for more details, consult this wikipedia article

> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt)

>

> though have a laugh at this part:

> " " "

> The exaltation of cats in Ancient Egypt most likely

> began with their

> contribution to agriculture. Feral cats, or " reed

> cats " , naturally

> preyed upon the rats and other vermin that would

> otherwise eat from

> the royal granaries. They earned their place in

> towns and cities by

> killing mice, poisonous snakes and other pests.

> " " "

> as you can see, the experts believe that the cats'

> service as pest

> control was so valuable that they were elevated to

> godly status...

> does anyone else find this hilarious? :-D gives me

> new respect for

> the Orkin man

>

(http://www.orkin.com/pestcontrol/the_pest_threat.aspx)!!

>

> -brian

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Helloooo! Electra,

Years ago when I "imaginitively created" my first Helper I gave her the name "Astarta", and then, early this year reading Milton's "Paradise Lost" I discovered that Astarta was an ancient Phoenician Goddess. It was a library copy or I give the citation here. Hey, I've got the masculine thing going, give me those goddesses any day.

 

Flowers and chocolate ( & catnip!)

 

-richard

 

, Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:>> I often have a giggle when I read books that talk of> goddess worship back thousands of years ago and the> scientists or "experts" tell us that it's because> humans didn't understand the mans part in procreation,> we were too primitive (obviously we must be primitive> and ignorant to worship the divine feminine).> > And as soon as men realised they played a part in it,> they blamed eve for everything and made God a man I> suppose?> > Experts always assume that we were without knowledge> back then.> Simple and bumpkin like.> Thats how they built the pyramids then!!! > > Love Elektra x x x> > --- a_seventh_son a_seventh_son wrote:> > > > Recently, reading some material on REM research,> > the authors > > > stated that cats were used for subjects because> > they experience > > > REM sleep and they sleep a lot. I think most any> > cat owner > > > (likely Elektra) has watched a cat stare for a> > period of time > > > at "something" we can't see (or at least I can't).> > Cats have > > > are naturals and surely must be psychic travelers.> >

[Guest guest]

> I often have a giggle when I read books that talk of

> goddess worship back thousands of years ago and the

> scientists or " experts " tell us

hmm... I think the problem here is that scientists doing " real

science " have very rigorous standards BUT also the requirements of

experiment; i.e. a theory must be testable and an experiment

reproducible by others. Or in the case of 'pure science' like CS or

Math, it usually must be 'proven' by a method of logical proof using

mathematical/logical axioms. The social sciences are also subject to

rigorous scrutiny in peer-review, but absent is the ability to " prove "

them independently. These experts are most likely sociologists and

anthropologists, who can be very competent and have strongly supported

theories but in the end these are not 'provable' even if they seem to

fit facts well. As a bonus this gives upstart academics something

'primitive' to be progressive against.

 

> that it's because

> humans didn't understand the mans part in procreation,

> we were too primitive (obviously we must be primitive

> and ignorant to worship the divine feminine).

well, there were some real societies studied by anthropologists, where

there didn't seem to be awareness of this, but I'm guessing they were

the exception not that normal case. also there are psychological

stages in childhood where 'miracle'-type explanations

autonomously tend to " show up " , around topics like this and other

time-honored " mysteries " like reproduction, menstruation, nocturnal

emission, gender differentiation (why do I have a hoo-hoo and you've a

ha-ha) etc that plagued civilization for centuries.

 

> And as soon as men realised they played a part in it,

> they blamed eve for everything and made God a man I

> suppose?

LOL - actually no, we went from female " mysterious power " and

spontaneous generation of life, to eventually male as the

proprietor/creator with female as the dumb minion providing little

more than a semen receptacle and free childcare/cleaning/foraging.

considering it was only the late 1800s when the fact of genetic

origination was established as containing equally the man and woman's

genetic material, hopefully we can finally move on to a civilization

without a power dynamic stemming from 'who makes the baby'. I used to

protest the notion of man's ascent from ape, but this sort of nonsense

really makes a strong case for it in my opinion :-)

 

> Experts always assume that we were without knowledge back then.

LOL, some probably. most would just say that they can't study or

verify what was not written down. and we do know that a lot WAS

written down, just not in a spoken language.

 

> Thats how they built the pyramids then!!!

I'm assuming ~100,000 slave laborors over an indefinite period of time

can do a LOT of work, but definitely the architects were genius

mathematicians (human or otherwise) and they employed the best masons

that money could buy to execute it and supervise the construction. at

the time though, both math and written language were 'trade secrets'

of the ruling class and the mystery initiates.

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

Hi, brian!@@The social sciences are also subject torigorous scrutiny in peer-review, but absent is the ability to "prove"them independently. These experts are most likely sociologists andanthropologists, who can be very competent and have strongly supportedtheories but in the end these are not 'provable' even if they seem tofit facts well. @@

Of course, the social sciences prove by analytical statistics, especially Meta Statistics. It's not the hard-core proof of the physical sciences but it makes a highly defensible argument. At the same time, it's not so different than the challenges facing physicists in quantum theory. This field is largely "un-testable" and the mathematical arguments are hardly, at the present time, more solid than the "proof" of the sociologists. I.e., it's nothing more than proof by probability which differs not a whit from analytical stat.

I'm not trying to make an argument with you here. Lord save me from that! But, you have left out the field of psychology and I think that's significant, as I imagine you look forward to the day the psyche will be knowable by the study of the brain (brian). We will never know the "mysterious genius" of music by the study of the notes, nor will we know "mysterious genius" of people by the study of the brain (brian). IMHO.

As to the rest of your post; culturally speaking, of course you are right. Religiously speaking, only in the Protestant West are you right. Eastern philosophy has always honored the female. Yin/Yang, female goddesses, Shiva – oh, I don't know, I'm not going to go look them up – there are many. I would go so far as to say that culturally in the industrialized west there is a misogynistic fear of women. It isn't spoken but it's there for any man brave enough to look at the facts. The world relies on communication witch is the ultimate tool of management. We "good `ole boys" rely on fraternity and generally our communication skills hardly exceed a slap on the back and a trade of influence.

We can hardly say W. is a great communicator. I mean, when his answer in a debate is "Jesus Christ, because he changed my life" we're not talking from a liberal education. The man is poor communicator but he can "deal". The only convincing he knows is `I got da' money and da' power – more nucular bombs than anyone, we can work this out (a little `side deal, ya' know, just between you and me' and here's a slap on the back, buddy). (Oh, I'm having fun here.) That's the old world order, bur there'll be a new one.

Men, heads up, our future generations of sons will be keeping house and toiling away in a data pool. Science will probably figure out a way to make us bear the children. (Women can be heartless and they're mad for this little `injustice'). I suggest we invest now in Flowers and Chocolates.

 

-hand shake, -richard

 

 

, "a_seventh_son" <a_seventh_son wrote:>> > I often have a giggle when I read books that talk of> > goddess worship back thousands of years ago and the> > scientists or "experts" tell us > hmm... I think the problem here is that scientists doing "real> science" have very rigorous standards BUT also the requirements of> experiment; i.e. a theory must be testable and an experiment> reproducible by others. Or in the case of 'pure science' like CS or> Math, it usually must be 'proven' by a method of logical proof using> mathematical/logical axioms. The social sciences are also subject to> rigorous scrutiny in peer-review, but absent is the ability to "prove"> them independently. These experts are most likely sociologists and> anthropologists, who can be very competent and have strongly supported> theories but in the end these are not 'provable' even if they seem to> fit facts well. As a bonus this gives upstart academics something> 'primitive' to be progressive against.> > > that it's because> > humans didn't understand the mans part in procreation,> > we were too primitive (obviously we must be primitive> > and ignorant to worship the divine feminine).> well, there were some real societies studied by anthropologists, where> there didn't seem to be awareness of this, but I'm guessing they were> the exception not that normal case. also there are psychological> stages in childhood where 'miracle'-type explanations> autonomously tend to "show up", around topics like this and other> time-honored "mysteries" like reproduction, menstruation, nocturnal> emission, gender differentiation (why do I have a hoo-hoo and you've a> ha-ha) etc that plagued civilization for centuries.> > > And as soon as men realised they played a part in it,> > they blamed eve for everything and made God a man I> > suppose?> LOL - actually no, we went from female "mysterious power" and> spontaneous generation of life, to eventually male as the> proprietor/creator with female as the dumb minion providing little> more than a semen receptacle and free childcare/cleaning/foraging. > considering it was only the late 1800s when the fact of genetic> origination was established as containing equally the man and woman's> genetic material, hopefully we can finally move on to a civilization> without a power dynamic stemming from 'who makes the baby'. I used to> protest the notion of man's ascent from ape, but this sort of nonsense> really makes a strong case for it in my opinion :-)> > > Experts always assume that we were without knowledge back then.> LOL, some probably. most would just say that they can't study or> verify what was not written down. and we do know that a lot WAS> written down, just not in a spoken language.> > > Thats how they built the pyramids then!!! > I'm assuming ~100,000 slave laborors over an indefinite period of time> can do a LOT of work, but definitely the architects were genius> mathematicians (human or otherwise) and they employed the best masons> that money could buy to execute it and supervise the construction. at> the time though, both math and written language were 'trade secrets'> of the ruling class and the mystery initiates.> > -brian>

[Guest guest]

> Of course, the social sciences prove by analytical statistics,

> especially Meta Statistics. It's not the hard-core proof of the

> physical sciences but it makes a highly defensible argument.

ok - yes, to be honest I'm familiar with qualitative statistics

methods, hypothesis verification, two-tailed tests etc that are widely

used in the " real science " in that field. behavioral SCIENCE however

is quite different from the methodologies of a lot of this older " soft

science " from which these conclusions/accepted facts were drawn,

(generally, long-term field studies) as qual-stats is strictly

speaking a fairly new addition to socio-behavioral research.

 

> same time, it's not so different than the challenges facing

> physicists in quantum theory. This field is largely

> " un-testable " and the mathematical arguments are hardly, at the

> present time, more solid than the " proof " of the sociologists.

> I.e., it's nothing more than proof by probability which differs not

> a whit from analytical stat.

then there is the even more meta arguments against theory, of

Popperian falsificationism and/or Quine-Duhem, underdetermination of

theory, etc to contend with. ugh, it's been awhile since I did

philosophy of science course; 1999 is slowly coming back to me :-D

the short version for those who missed that class is, it's a

dialectical critique of the methodology of science in its relation to

observer bias and theory-formation.

 

> I'm not trying to make an argument with you here.

> Lord save me from that!

no problem. something that I learned in grad school, or more

particularly in submitting work to peer-review, is that argument can

be a great aid to knowledge and/or a new perspective. that said I'm

still not much of a competitive type, I just don't like it nor how it

tends to affect us. yet I will argue in favor of free-market

capitalism any day.

 

> But, you have left out the field of psychology and I think

> that's significant, as I imagine you look forward to the day the

> psyche will be knowable by the study of the brain (brian).

LOL, no, however I think we WILL be surprised how much of 'normal'

human behavior can and will be explained in terms of physicalism of

some degree. in no way would I assert that includes the 10% of it

that I'd be interested in :-) I think that what we DON'T want to hear

is just how much of our existence really IS 'programmed' into us and

not the result of our choices or free willed action.

 

> We will never know the " mysterious genius " of music by the

> study of the notes, nor will we know " mysterious genius " of

> people by the study of the brain (brian). IMHO.

damn, I sure hope not. considering that science and tech are ruled by

the hands of politics, and I don't like the idea of legions of

power-broker alpha males running amok with effective tools of

behavioral control to please their masters/suit their agendas/meet

their profit projections.

 

> Religiously speaking, only in the Protestant West are you right.

:-) yes, I should get used to the more international audience,

unfortunately I learned more the western perspective.

 

> I would go so far as to say that culturally in the

> industrialized west there is a misogynistic fear of women.

we come from fairly misogynistic religions and psychologically are

predisposed to a lot of unfortunate crap, call it behavioral tendency,

samskara, evolutionarily-selected survival strategy, whatever, I

believe that a lot of them flat out need to **GO AWAY** and that the

sages of the East recognized this even in very early times. but it

was an " inconvenient truth " and it's not appealing to us, much less

'sexy' or easy to sell. hence the practices of yama, niyama were

considered foundational to yoga. unfortunately it's easy to confuse

" removing unconscious conditioning " with codes of " moral behavior " .

 

> The world relies on communication witch is the ultimate

> tool of management.

definitely. information systems graduate here, no arguments from me

on this one.

 

> We " good `ole boys " rely on fraternity and generally our

> communication skills hardly exceed a slap on the back and a

> trade of influence.

LOL yes, all I may add, nonverbal cues of communication that convey

symbolic information. oh don't forget the Lion's Paw etc.

 

> we're not talking from a liberal education.

for sure, actually we left reason right at the door. doesn't say much

about the character/integrity of his alma mater either!

 

> `I got da' money and da' power – more nucular bombs than

> anyone, we can work this out (a little `side deal, ya' know,

> just between you and me' and here's a slap on the back, buddy).

> (Oh, I'm having fun here.)

> That's the old world order, bur there'll be a new one.

we hope so. upsetting the autocracy of unconscious behavior is a

major part of bringing it about. the worst part is that this behavior

meets with cultural and personal rewards ( " if the man has got the

money, I'll give um all my lovin " ) that mean real control in our

consumer culture.

 

> Science will probably figure out a way to make us bear the

> children.

perhaps, if it has a sense of fairness. I'd much rather see the need

removed and child-bearing become more a matter of choice and less one

of necessity. remove age barriers for one, and it would also help

break the cycle of poverty. unfortunately these things make the world

run, it will be tough to give up those lucrative profits.

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

I know I cannot " prove " anything at all, I am no

expert in anything, but I believe that they used

magic, alchemy. Many studies have been done to

disprove the theory of the " 100,000 " slaves. " experts "

are now saying that it just would not have been

possible.

 

That is just our scientists trying to come up with

logical left brain answers.

 

The pharoahs were (at least at one point) highly

developed magicians and alchemists, the up holders of

truth.

Also in the ancient maya and inca there are stories of

the tunnels they used , we can't explain today how

they made the tunnels so perfectly. they used " earth

bending " skills or something magical (i believe). And

the spanish spoke of whole villages dissapearing into

the ground.

 

Seeing we have refused magic now for so long we don't

include it as a possibility.

I believe we lived in highly developed societies,

Atlantis etc. Using alchemy and magic, it is a science

after all.

 

Not all were developed, no doubt. And some kind of

loss of ancient knowledge occured. Can't say what

exactly, but something happened.

 

Just my little thoughts, love Elektra x x x

 

 

--- a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote:

 

> > I often have a giggle when I read books that talk

> of

> > goddess worship back thousands of years ago and

> the

> > scientists or " experts " tell us

> hmm... I think the problem here is that scientists

> doing " real

> science " have very rigorous standards BUT also the

> requirements of

> experiment; i.e. a theory must be testable and an

> experiment

> reproducible by others. Or in the case of 'pure

> science' like CS or

> Math, it usually must be 'proven' by a method of

> logical proof using

> mathematical/logical axioms. The social sciences

> are also subject to

> rigorous scrutiny in peer-review, but absent is the

> ability to " prove "

> them independently. These experts are most likely

> sociologists and

> anthropologists, who can be very competent and have

> strongly supported

> theories but in the end these are not 'provable'

> even if they seem to

> fit facts well. As a bonus this gives upstart

> academics something

> 'primitive' to be progressive against.

>

> > that it's because

> > humans didn't understand the mans part in

> procreation,

> > we were too primitive (obviously we must be

> primitive

> > and ignorant to worship the divine feminine).

> well, there were some real societies studied by

> anthropologists, where

> there didn't seem to be awareness of this, but I'm

> guessing they were

> the exception not that normal case. also there are

> psychological

> stages in childhood where 'miracle'-type

> explanations

> autonomously tend to " show up " , around topics like

> this and other

> time-honored " mysteries " like reproduction,

> menstruation, nocturnal

> emission, gender differentiation (why do I have a

> hoo-hoo and you've a

> ha-ha) etc that plagued civilization for centuries.

>

> > And as soon as men realised they played a part in

> it,

> > they blamed eve for everything and made God a man

> I

> > suppose?

> LOL - actually no, we went from female " mysterious

> power " and

> spontaneous generation of life, to eventually male

> as the

> proprietor/creator with female as the dumb minion

> providing little

> more than a semen receptacle and free

> childcare/cleaning/foraging.

> considering it was only the late 1800s when the fact

> of genetic

> origination was established as containing equally

> the man and woman's

> genetic material, hopefully we can finally move on

> to a civilization

> without a power dynamic stemming from 'who makes the

> baby'. I used to

> protest the notion of man's ascent from ape, but

> this sort of nonsense

> really makes a strong case for it in my opinion :-)

>

> > Experts always assume that we were without

> knowledge back then.

> LOL, some probably. most would just say that they

> can't study or

> verify what was not written down. and we do know

> that a lot WAS

> written down, just not in a spoken language.

>

> > Thats how they built the pyramids then!!!

> I'm assuming ~100,000 slave laborors over an

> indefinite period of time

> can do a LOT of work, but definitely the architects

> were genius

> mathematicians (human or otherwise) and they

> employed the best masons

> that money could buy to execute it and supervise the

> construction. at

> the time though, both math and written language were

> 'trade secrets'

> of the ruling class and the mystery initiates.

>

> -brian

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Brain, you're cool. And when did the dialectic ever solve anything

but the notion of infinity? haha.

Man-hug,

-richard

 

Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son wrote:

>

> > Of course, the social sciences prove by analytical statistics,

> > especially Meta Statistics. It's not the hard-core proof of the

> > physical sciences but it makes a highly defensible argument.

> ok - yes, to be honest I'm familiar with qualitative statistics

> methods, hypothesis verification, two-tailed tests etc that are

widely

> used in the " real science " in that field. behavioral SCIENCE

however

> is quite different from the methodologies of a lot of this

older " soft

> science " from which these conclusions/accepted facts were drawn,

> (generally, long-term field studies) as qual-stats is strictly

> speaking a fairly new addition to socio-behavioral research.

>

> > same time, it's not so different than the challenges facing

> > physicists in quantum theory. This field is largely

> > " un-testable " and the mathematical arguments are hardly, at the

> > present time, more solid than the " proof " of the sociologists.

> > I.e., it's nothing more than proof by probability which differs

not

> > a whit from analytical stat.

> then there is the even more meta arguments against theory, of

> Popperian falsificationism and/or Quine-Duhem, underdetermination

of

> theory, etc to contend with. ugh, it's been awhile since I did

> philosophy of science course; 1999 is slowly coming back to me :-D

> the short version for those who missed that class is, it's a

> dialectical critique of the methodology of science in its relation

to

> observer bias and theory-formation.

>

> > I'm not trying to make an argument with you here.

> > Lord save me from that!

> no problem. something that I learned in grad school, or more

> particularly in submitting work to peer-review, is that argument

can

> be a great aid to knowledge and/or a new perspective. that said

I'm

> still not much of a competitive type, I just don't like it nor how

it

> tends to affect us. yet I will argue in favor of free-market

> capitalism any day.

>

> > But, you have left out the field of psychology and I think

> > that's significant, as I imagine you look forward to the day the

> > psyche will be knowable by the study of the brain (brian).

> LOL, no, however I think we WILL be surprised how much of 'normal'

> human behavior can and will be explained in terms of physicalism of

> some degree. in no way would I assert that includes the 10% of it

> that I'd be interested in :-) I think that what we DON'T want to

hear

> is just how much of our existence really IS 'programmed' into us

and

> not the result of our choices or free willed action.

>

> > We will never know the " mysterious genius " of music by the

> > study of the notes, nor will we know " mysterious genius " of

> > people by the study of the brain (brian). IMHO.

> damn, I sure hope not. considering that science and tech are

ruled by

> the hands of politics, and I don't like the idea of legions of

> power-broker alpha males running amok with effective tools of

> behavioral control to please their masters/suit their agendas/meet

> their profit projections.

>

> > Religiously speaking, only in the Protestant West are you right.

> :-) yes, I should get used to the more international audience,

> unfortunately I learned more the western perspective.

>

> > I would go so far as to say that culturally in the

> > industrialized west there is a misogynistic fear of women.

> we come from fairly misogynistic religions and psychologically are

> predisposed to a lot of unfortunate crap, call it behavioral

tendency,

> samskara, evolutionarily-selected survival strategy, whatever, I

> believe that a lot of them flat out need to **GO AWAY** and that

the

> sages of the East recognized this even in very early times. but it

> was an " inconvenient truth " and it's not appealing to us, much less

> 'sexy' or easy to sell. hence the practices of yama, niyama were

> considered foundational to yoga. unfortunately it's easy to

confuse

> " removing unconscious conditioning " with codes of " moral behavior " .

>

> > The world relies on communication witch is the ultimate

> > tool of management.

> definitely. information systems graduate here, no arguments from

me

> on this one.

>

> > We " good `ole boys " rely on fraternity and generally our

> > communication skills hardly exceed a slap on the back and a

> > trade of influence.

> LOL yes, all I may add, nonverbal cues of communication that convey

> symbolic information. oh don't forget the Lion's Paw etc.

>

> > we're not talking from a liberal education.

> for sure, actually we left reason right at the door. doesn't say

much

> about the character/integrity of his alma mater either!

>

> > `I got da' money and da' power – more nucular bombs than

> > anyone, we can work this out (a little `side deal, ya' know,

> > just between you and me' and here's a slap on the back, buddy).

> > (Oh, I'm having fun here.)

> > That's the old world order, bur there'll be a new one.

> we hope so. upsetting the autocracy of unconscious behavior is a

> major part of bringing it about. the worst part is that this

behavior

> meets with cultural and personal rewards ( " if the man has got the

> money, I'll give um all my lovin " ) that mean real control in our

> consumer culture.

>

> > Science will probably figure out a way to make us bear the

> > children.

> perhaps, if it has a sense of fairness. I'd much rather see the

need

> removed and child-bearing become more a matter of choice and less

one

> of necessity. remove age barriers for one, and it would also help

> break the cycle of poverty. unfortunately these things make the

world

> run, it will be tough to give up those lucrative profits.

>

> -brian

>

[Guest guest]

> I know I cannot " prove " anything at all, I am no

> expert in anything, but I believe that they used

> magic, alchemy.

hehe, I'm not either, and so do I. though I can point to a number of

sources that would concur, most aren't mainstream.

 

> Many studies have been done to

> disprove the theory of the " 100,000 " slaves. " experts "

> are now saying that it just would not have been possible.

:-) these same 'experts' have changed their tune many a time on this

issue, and generally the tune is called by whoever pays the piper.

there were for example recent experimental studies done in top

engineering schools of the US where a number of assumptions about this

'brute force' have been replaced through clever application of

geometry and mechanics, knowledge that we KNOW the Egyptians had. and

that's not even touching the issues of pi, phi, speed of light,

astronomical distances encoded in the pyramids, sacred architecture

and sonic character of interior spaces, etc. again, as I said the

architects were geniuses (human or probably otherwise) beyond measure,

but there's no reason they wouldn't be able to skillfully deploy and

manage a labor force for the work that could be done " brute force " .

 

if you want an analogy, a big rock is heavy and hard to move, but if

you lever it, you can move it with greater ease. I am still " applying

brute force " but in a lot more efficient way and using less resources

to do it, which means the rest can go to other tasks. the worker

doesn't have to understand the principles of mechanics at work, just

to do as he's told and push when he gets the signal.

 

> That is just our scientists trying to come up with

> logical left brain answers.

sure, that's what they're paid to do :-) though you'll get different

answers from an egyptologist than from a mechanical engineering professor.

 

> The pharoahs were (at least at one point) highly

> developed magicians and alchemists, the up holders of truth.

the ruling class - an aristocracy or power elite, are we naive enough

to believe that like every other elite class known in civilization,

they were somehow acting differently than all of their post-historical

counterparts?

 

> Seeing we have refused magic now for so long we don't

> include it as a possibility.

what we know of it currently doesn't fit the scientific paradigm, but

that paradigm is itself changing gradually, and our understanding of

issues grows in time. in most cases those that HAVE explored into

these domains successfully have disappeared or met with wide criticism

and ridicule from their peers if it became publicly known what they

were experimenting with. just take our society's STRONG reaction to

mind-altering drugs, but to an even larger extreme of 'brain-changing'

or psychic modification, in a more direct way... but they will have to

pull my computers, music synthesizers, and brainmachine from my cold,

dead hands.

 

> I believe we lived in highly developed societies,

> Atlantis etc. Using alchemy and magic, it is a science

> after all.

I believe that, yes, at one time it WAS a science. one that was lost

or at least fragmented and scattered probably due to some sort of

power struggle between the aristokoi who wanted to lead/control the

populace and those who wanted to democratize society. this battle is

in fact still ongoing.

 

> Not all were developed, no doubt. And some kind of

> loss of ancient knowledge occured. Can't say what

> exactly, but something happened.

definitely. they may well have committed the equivalent of global

thermonuclear war but with magick instead of warheads. to me it seems

there is no way to 'win' this type of an arms race (unless you're the

weapon suppliers!).

 

> Just my little thoughts, love Elektra x x x

likewise, and thanks for your thoughtful contributions!

 

-brian

[Guest guest]

Thanks Brian for all your points, always a pleasure to

chat with you.

I love my machines also, and left brain thinking has

alot to offer, when coupled in a balanced manor with

the right side!!! and vice versa.

 

Interestingly enough the mayan calander is stipulating

that we are going into 360 days of rewiring of the

left and right brain, as part of our evolution.

Starting on the 24th November. I have noticed myself

having many discussions about right and left, male and

female recently.

 

Maybe they are on to something. I certainly need the

left side to come up to scratch. Thats why I love your

energy, you help me to balance that side of myself x x

x

 

Love Elektra x x x

 

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks Brian for all your points, always a pleasure to

> chat with you.

likewise; hard to believe I've only been here for a few weeks. I have

enough material here for at least one book :-) and someday I may even

write it. somehow it all fits in my head without too much leaking

out, except when it has to.

 

> I love my machines also, and left brain thinking has

> alot to offer, when coupled in a balanced manor with

> the right side!!! and vice versa.

exactly. it is an important relation.

 

> Maybe they are on to something. I certainly need the

> left side to come up to scratch. Thats why I love your

> energy, you help me to balance that side of myself x x

LOL - ah yes the right-brain... well I just spent a couple thousand

dollars on synth equipment in the past month without really knowing

why. Only that it was suddenly time to buy gear; a whole vista opens

and I dream the music again, wake up in the morning hearing fully

formed harmonies and sounds I must learn to create (assuming I

remember them, or how they 'felt')!

 

Yet it's not the music nor the learning that matters, but the states

it brings to my brain; spontaneous bodily rememberance of the pure

moment of liberation, if I must put words to it. but here are better

ones from the brilliant artist Shpongle:

 

* " Lingering in the akashic realms

Lingering in the realms.

Blue lotus floats, floating, floating.,.

Some laugh, some weep, some dance for joy

My mind craves nectar day and night. "

(Shpongle, " Once Upon the Sea of Blissful Awareness " )

 

> Love Elektra x x x

-brian

[Guest guest]

I too make music, electronic music.

I'm working on a track at the moment, it's been a test

for me and my creativity as I actually have a record

company waiting for my work.

Not just doing it for myself, a bit more pressure.

Trying to " channel " that flow..... It's certainly fun.

I use apple mac, reason, cubase etc. I would love an

external synth.

 

Good luck , when we have something finished maybe we

could send it to each other. I would love to hear your

stuff.

 

Love Elektra x x x

 

 

--- a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote:

 

> > Thanks Brian for all your points, always a

> pleasure to

> > chat with you.

> likewise; hard to believe I've only been here for a

> few weeks. I have

> enough material here for at least one book :-) and

> someday I may even

> write it. somehow it all fits in my head without

> too much leaking

> out, except when it has to.

>

> > I love my machines also, and left brain thinking

> has

> > alot to offer, when coupled in a balanced manor

> with

> > the right side!!! and vice versa.

> exactly. it is an important relation.

>

> > Maybe they are on to something. I certainly need

> the

> > left side to come up to scratch. Thats why I love

> your

> > energy, you help me to balance that side of myself

> x x

> LOL - ah yes the right-brain... well I just spent a

> couple thousand

> dollars on synth equipment in the past month without

> really knowing

> why. Only that it was suddenly time to buy gear; a

> whole vista opens

> and I dream the music again, wake up in the morning

> hearing fully

> formed harmonies and sounds I must learn to create

> (assuming I

> remember them, or how they 'felt')!

>

> Yet it's not the music nor the learning that

> matters, but the states

> it brings to my brain; spontaneous bodily

> rememberance of the pure

> moment of liberation, if I must put words to it.

> but here are better

> ones from the brilliant artist Shpongle:

>

> * " Lingering in the akashic realms

> Lingering in the realms.

> Blue lotus floats, floating, floating.,.

> Some laugh, some weep, some dance for joy

> My mind craves nectar day and night. "

> (Shpongle, " Once Upon the Sea of Blissful

> Awareness " )

>

> > Love Elektra x x x

> -brian

>

>

>

>

>