The Disciples and the Kundalini

[Guest guest]

I was reading the Bible, studying about the Disciples. Later while

taking a shower not really thinking about anything in particular a

thought came to mind about the Disciples and other close followers of

Jesus, that being that their Kundalinis were active to its greatest

ability. What are your thoughts one this?

 

Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

Katherine

[Guest guest]

I feel Christ was teaching the Kundalini everywhere he went. " These things I do

you can do and more " or " These works I do are not of me they are of the Father "

and there are many more. That his disciples and Mary would have recieved a

Shaktipat from him I feel is very likely. These teachings have been manipulated

out of the Bible or re-interpreted in order to focus attention away from the

real meanings. My take on it -

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I feel the same as you do about it! When I was in college, I had to take a

philosophy class so I chose a course in religion about the New Testament. Then I

learned a lot from the fact that the books Matt., Mark, Luke, and John were not

actually written by they themselves, but by others far much later. I also

learned that many scrolls such as the dead sea scrolls and other scrolls found

which have been found and appear that they are a part of the Bible, missing

verses, books, etc. aren't allowed to be canonized and added because of fear of

how it would change what we have been taught based on the churches belief which

means that is a way of keeping control and causing us to fear the one person we

should not fear, Our Father, Our God. I also believe that things may have been

deliberately left out for a purpose. In reading the Bible I found things that

seem to be a part of something, but that something isn't there. So I believe

that we should know about the K and not fear it,

that we have access to it for a reason, and from things I have read and studied

in the Bible it leads back to the K. Anyway, thanks for your side of the story.

 

Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

Katherine

 

chrism <> wrote:

I feel Christ was teaching the Kundalini everywhere he went. " These

things I do you can do and more " or " These works I do are not of me they are of

the Father " and there are many more. That his disciples and Mary would have

recieved a Shaktipat from him I feel is very likely. These teachings have been

manipulated out of the Bible or re-interpreted in order to focus attention away

from the real meanings. My take on it -

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

Father/mother God?

hee hee

Love E x x x

 

--- chrism <> wrote:

 

 

> " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> Father " and there are many more. >

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

As i understand this and have been taught the Council of Nicea in 327 or 329

removed Christs teachings on Spirituality and Mysticism.from the Bible as

text was at that time.

It was replaced with the concept of Original Sin and Celibacy. Thus creating

low self esteem in concepts about ourselves to do with ''Guilt''.

I'm sure lots of other parts have been changed and interpreted differently

over time so we have lost track.

It has led to ''Control''/Guilt in belief systems and where every one

waits for Christ or Bhudda to return and save us.

In both cases these concepts have delayed our progress.

Still waiting for the for ''second coming of Christ or the future Bhudda''

gives the belief that its all in the future instead of ''NOW''. Or that some

higher Being is going to return and save us.

 

To quote Shakespear re-belief's..............There is neither right nor

wrong,but thinking makes it so.

 

Best wishes to all Alphus.

 

 

>Katherine Miller <katsam19

>

>

>Re: The Disciples and the

>Kundalini

>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:12:04 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I feel the same as you do about it! When I was in college, I had to take a

>philosophy class so I chose a course in religion about the New Testament.

>Then I learned a lot from the fact that the books Matt., Mark, Luke, and

>John were not actually written by they themselves, but by others far much

>later. I also learned that many scrolls such as the dead sea scrolls and

>other scrolls found which have been found and appear that they are a part

>of the Bible, missing verses, books, etc. aren't allowed to be canonized

>and added because of fear of how it would change what we have been taught

>based on the churches belief which means that is a way of keeping control

>and causing us to fear the one person we should not fear, Our Father, Our

>God. I also believe that things may have been deliberately left out for a

>purpose. In reading the Bible I found things that seem to be a part of

>something, but that something isn't there. So I believe that we should know

>about the K and not fear it,

> that we have access to it for a reason, and from things I have read and

>studied in the Bible it leads back to the K. Anyway, thanks for your side

>of the story.

>

> Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>chrism <> wrote:

> I feel Christ was teaching the Kundalini everywhere he went.

> " These things I do you can do and more " or " These works I do are not of me

>they are of the Father " and there are many more. That his disciples and

>Mary would have recieved a Shaktipat from him I feel is very likely. These

>teachings have been manipulated out of the Bible or re-interpreted in order

>to focus attention away from the real meanings. My take on it - blessings -

>chrism

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And Mother Father God and you are as usual correct you dancing queen - blessings

- chrism

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

you know thats some divine truth right there,

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

--- Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote:

 

> As i understand this and have been taught the

> Council of Nicea in 327 or 329

> removed Christs teachings on Spirituality and

> Mysticism.from the Bible as

> text was at that time.

> It was replaced with the concept of Original Sin and

> Celibacy. Thus creating

> low self esteem in concepts about ourselves to do

> with ''Guilt''.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

It has been said that the ancient Hebrew language was far different from the

Hebrew language used today and that many don't even know how to fully, if at

all, interpret the writings. Some of the interpretations are assumptions or

guesses as to what is thought it might mean, not what it actually means. Not to

go against the Bible, however, if you really read the Old Testament and then the

New Testament you will find what the Old Testament says to stay away from, the

New Testament says that Jesus gave his Disciples the abilities to do, like

healing, speaking in tongues, visions, and so forth and so on.

 

Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

Katherine

 

Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote:

As i understand this and have been taught the Council of Nicea in 327 or 329

removed Christs teachings on Spirituality and Mysticism.from the Bible as

text was at that time.

It was replaced with the concept of Original Sin and Celibacy. Thus creating

low self esteem in concepts about ourselves to do with ''Guilt''.

I'm sure lots of other parts have been changed and interpreted differently

over time so we have lost track.

It has led to ''Control''/Guilt in belief systems and where every one

waits for Christ or Bhudda to return and save us.

In both cases these concepts have delayed our progress.

Still waiting for the for ''second coming of Christ or the future Bhudda''

gives the belief that its all in the future instead of ''NOW''. Or that some

higher Being is going to return and save us.

 

To quote Shakespear re-belief's..............There is neither right nor

wrong,but thinking makes it so.

 

Best wishes to all Alphus.

 

 

>Katherine Miller

>

>

>Re: The Disciples and the

>Kundalini

>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:12:04 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I feel the same as you do about it! When I was in college, I had to take a

>philosophy class so I chose a course in religion about the New Testament.

>Then I learned a lot from the fact that the books Matt., Mark, Luke, and

>John were not actually written by they themselves, but by others far much

>later. I also learned that many scrolls such as the dead sea scrolls and

>other scrolls found which have been found and appear that they are a part

>of the Bible, missing verses, books, etc. aren't allowed to be canonized

>and added because of fear of how it would change what we have been taught

>based on the churches belief which means that is a way of keeping control

>and causing us to fear the one person we should not fear, Our Father, Our

>God. I also believe that things may have been deliberately left out for a

>purpose. In reading the Bible I found things that seem to be a part of

>something, but that something isn't there. So I believe that we should know

>about the K and not fear it,

> that we have access to it for a reason, and from things I have read and

>studied in the Bible it leads back to the K. Anyway, thanks for your side

>of the story.

>

> Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>chrism wrote:

> I feel Christ was teaching the Kundalini everywhere he went.

> " These things I do you can do and more " or " These works I do are not of me

>they are of the Father " and there are many more. That his disciples and

>Mary would have recieved a Shaktipat from him I feel is very likely. These

>teachings have been manipulated out of the Bible or re-interpreted in order

>to focus attention away from the real meanings. My take on it - blessings -

>chrism

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

 

26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created him; male

and female created he them. "

 

In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my interpretation

of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female God, or God is both male

and female. Either way there is a female involved in our creation. This is

spoken of before the creation of Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I

said I wish to believe that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two

beings.

 

Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

Katherine

 

Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:

I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

Father/mother God?

hee hee

Love E x x x

 

--- chrism <> wrote:

 

> " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> Father " and there are many more. >

 

 

 

 

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Love and Peace for Eternity,

Katherine

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Interesting stuff this. I have been reliably informed by a friend who

has studies these texts in the original available languages that the

Hebrew word for God had no gender, i.e. it wasn't defined as either

male or female. Incidentally, the same is true of " Allah " as used by

the muslims as the name of God. The imposition of a gender has come

about, not least by being translated into other languages as in

English an " it " is only a " thing " whereas many other languages have

gendered nouns and therefore are not so bothered by a god that is an

" it " !!

Personally I believe that the Divine encompasses all that we are

capable of manifesting and is therefore all genders and none.

 

Peace,

Ruari

 

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

>

> 26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

> 27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God

created him; male and female created he them. "

>

> In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my

interpretation of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female

God, or God is both male and female. Either way there is a female

involved in our creation. This is spoken of before the creation of

Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I said I wish to believe

that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two beings.

>

> Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> Katherine

>

> Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:

> I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

> word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

> Father/mother God?

> hee hee

> Love E x x x

>

> --- chrism <> wrote:

>

> > " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> > Father " and there are many more. >

>

>

>

>

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and ease of use. " - PC Magazine

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>

>

>

>

>

> Love and Peace for Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ruari,

 

What you say makes some sense except the " none " part. I know that our minds

can manifest sickness as well as wellness. But I also believe that there is a

greater source than us. I know that we have the same capabilities because it is

stated throughout the Bible that we do, however, people have harnessed that by

telling us that if we believe we can do the same as God or have the same

abilities as God then we will be punished by God. I once was at church and the

preacher told us that in no uncertain terms that we were to be afraid of God and

if we weren't then we needed to be. I am not afraid of my Heavenly Father/Mother

no more than I am afraid of my Earthly Father/Mother. This was a Baptist

preacher telling this. It is all in the perspective of our beliefs I guess!

 

Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

Katherine

 

 

ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

Hi,

 

Interesting stuff this. I have been reliably informed by a friend who

has studies these texts in the original available languages that the

Hebrew word for God had no gender, i.e. it wasn't defined as either

male or female. Incidentally, the same is true of " Allah " as used by

the muslims as the name of God. The imposition of a gender has come

about, not least by being translated into other languages as in

English an " it " is only a " thing " whereas many other languages have

gendered nouns and therefore are not so bothered by a god that is an

" it " !!

Personally I believe that the Divine encompasses all that we are

capable of manifesting and is therefore all genders and none.

 

Peace,

Ruari

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

>

> 26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

> 27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God

created him; male and female created he them. "

>

> In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my

interpretation of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female

God, or God is both male and female. Either way there is a female

involved in our creation. This is spoken of before the creation of

Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I said I wish to believe

that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two beings.

>

> Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> Katherine

>

> Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:

> I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

> word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

> Father/mother God?

> hee hee

> Love E x x x

>

> --- chrism <> wrote:

>

> > " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> > Father " and there are many more. >

>

>

>

>

> ________

> All new Mail " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity

and ease of use. " - PC Magazine

> http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

>

>

>

>

>

> Love and Peace for Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Katherine,

 

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, I could say the same thing another

way... When I talk about God, i usually say " He/She/It/Them " to

express the idea that I believe all of these can be simultaneously

true. Also true for me is that the Divine Force is beyond all sense of

gender, more of a cosmic energy (the 'none' bit). I know it's a bit

contradictory to have all these things as true at the same time but it

feels right to me... I like the explanation I heard from a Hindu once

that the many Gods are small parts of the great Divine that break off

in order that we might better communicate with He/She/It/Them...

 

Although I'm not sure if this makes it any clearer but I have been

feeling a bit foggy headed for the past few days, along with some

pressure headaches so please excuse me if I'm still not making sense -

then again, I can't promise that I'd ever make sense

 

In Love and Peace

Ruari

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> Ruari,

>

> What you say makes some sense except the " none " part. I know that

our minds can manifest sickness as well as wellness. But I also

believe that there is a greater source than us. I know that we have

the same capabilities because it is stated throughout the Bible that

we do, however, people have harnessed that by telling us that if we

believe we can do the same as God or have the same abilities as God

then we will be punished by God. I once was at church and the preacher

told us that in no uncertain terms that we were to be afraid of God

and if we weren't then we needed to be. I am not afraid of my Heavenly

Father/Mother no more than I am afraid of my Earthly Father/Mother.

This was a Baptist preacher telling this. It is all in the perspective

of our beliefs I guess!

>

> Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>

> ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Interesting stuff this. I have been reliably informed by a friend who

> has studies these texts in the original available languages that the

> Hebrew word for God had no gender, i.e. it wasn't defined as either

> male or female. Incidentally, the same is true of " Allah " as used by

> the muslims as the name of God. The imposition of a gender has come

> about, not least by being translated into other languages as in

> English an " it " is only a " thing " whereas many other languages have

> gendered nouns and therefore are not so bothered by a god that is an

> " it " !!

> Personally I believe that the Divine encompasses all that we are

> capable of manifesting and is therefore all genders and none.

>

> Peace,

> Ruari

>

> , Katherine Miller

> <katsam19@> wrote:

> >

> > I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

> >

> > 26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

> > 27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God

> created him; male and female created he them. "

> >

> > In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my

> interpretation of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female

> God, or God is both male and female. Either way there is a female

> involved in our creation. This is spoken of before the creation of

> Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I said I wish to believe

> that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two beings.

> >

> > Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> > Katherine

> >

> > Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> > I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

> > word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

> > Father/mother God?

> > hee hee

> > Love E x x x

> >

> > --- chrism <@> wrote:

> >

> > > " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> > > Father " and there are many more. >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________

> > All new Mail " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity

> and ease of use. " - PC Magazine

> > http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Love and Peace for Eternity,

> > Katherine

> >

> >

> >

> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Right On Ruari, I am with you all the way! I was in a hurry when I read your

response, maybe I should have waited! Sorry!

 

Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

Katherine

 

ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

Hi Katherine,

 

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, I could say the same thing another

way... When I talk about God, i usually say " He/She/It/Them " to

express the idea that I believe all of these can be simultaneously

true. Also true for me is that the Divine Force is beyond all sense of

gender, more of a cosmic energy (the 'none' bit). I know it's a bit

contradictory to have all these things as true at the same time but it

feels right to me... I like the explanation I heard from a Hindu once

that the many Gods are small parts of the great Divine that break off

in order that we might better communicate with He/She/It/Them...

 

Although I'm not sure if this makes it any clearer but I have been

feeling a bit foggy headed for the past few days, along with some

pressure headaches so please excuse me if I'm still not making sense -

then again, I can't promise that I'd ever make sense

 

In Love and Peace

Ruari

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> Ruari,

>

> What you say makes some sense except the " none " part. I know that

our minds can manifest sickness as well as wellness. But I also

believe that there is a greater source than us. I know that we have

the same capabilities because it is stated throughout the Bible that

we do, however, people have harnessed that by telling us that if we

believe we can do the same as God or have the same abilities as God

then we will be punished by God. I once was at church and the preacher

told us that in no uncertain terms that we were to be afraid of God

and if we weren't then we needed to be. I am not afraid of my Heavenly

Father/Mother no more than I am afraid of my Earthly Father/Mother.

This was a Baptist preacher telling this. It is all in the perspective

of our beliefs I guess!

>

> Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>

> ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Interesting stuff this. I have been reliably informed by a friend who

> has studies these texts in the original available languages that the

> Hebrew word for God had no gender, i.e. it wasn't defined as either

> male or female. Incidentally, the same is true of " Allah " as used by

> the muslims as the name of God. The imposition of a gender has come

> about, not least by being translated into other languages as in

> English an " it " is only a " thing " whereas many other languages have

> gendered nouns and therefore are not so bothered by a god that is an

> " it " !!

> Personally I believe that the Divine encompasses all that we are

> capable of manifesting and is therefore all genders and none.

>

> Peace,

> Ruari

>

> , Katherine Miller

> <katsam19@> wrote:

> >

> > I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

> >

> > 26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

> > 27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God

> created him; male and female created he them. "

> >

> > In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my

> interpretation of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female

> God, or God is both male and female. Either way there is a female

> involved in our creation. This is spoken of before the creation of

> Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I said I wish to believe

> that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two beings.

> >

> > Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> > Katherine

> >

> > Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> > I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

> > word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

> > Father/mother God?

> > hee hee

> > Love E x x x

> >

> > --- chrism <@> wrote:

> >

> > > " These works I do are not of me they are of the

> > > Father " and there are many more. >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________

> > All new Mail " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity

> and ease of use. " - PC Magazine

> > http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Love and Peace for Eternity,

> > Katherine

> >

> >

> >

> > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ha! Ha! No, You were the hand of the universe reminding me again that

there is often a difference between what i am thinking, what I think I

am saying and what it actually sounds like to other people! I am

trying to be more aware of this but it is a frequent difficulty for

me. So it is good when people give responses that make me think about

how effectively I am communicating what it inside my head.

 

Thank your for the loving, gentle and supportive presence here, I

value all your comments.

 

peace,

Ruari

 

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> Right On Ruari, I am with you all the way! I was in a hurry when I

read your response, maybe I should have waited! Sorry!

>

> Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

> Katherine

>

> ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

> Hi Katherine,

>

> Maybe I didn't phrase it well, I could say the same thing another

> way... When I talk about God, i usually say " He/She/It/Them " to

> express the idea that I believe all of these can be simultaneously

> true. Also true for me is that the Divine Force is beyond all sense of

> gender, more of a cosmic energy (the 'none' bit). I know it's a bit

> contradictory to have all these things as true at the same time but it

> feels right to me... I like the explanation I heard from a Hindu once

> that the many Gods are small parts of the great Divine that break off

> in order that we might better communicate with He/She/It/Them...

>

> Although I'm not sure if this makes it any clearer but I have been

> feeling a bit foggy headed for the past few days, along with some

> pressure headaches so please excuse me if I'm still not making sense -

> then again, I can't promise that I'd ever make sense

>

> In Love and Peace

> Ruari

>

[Guest guest]

Ruari,

 

You are tooo funny! I have that problem sometimes as well! I think It is

because my mind is thinking faster than I am speaking or whatever way I am

responding and the words don't come out as I have intended for them to! If you

read some of my posts your will see what I am talking about! I take that as

being super smart, yet out of control. LOL

 

Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

Katherine

 

 

 

 

 

Love and Peace for Eternity,

Katherine

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Oh, yeah! I love a debate anyway! Ask my dad! LOL :) You are a great person

and your are doing just fine with your explanation, foggy head or not! As for

making sense, we all have those moments, but don't seem to be having one to me!

I really do understand what you are saying, I promise I do and I like a new

thought now and again so keep them coming.

 

Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

Katherine

 

ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

Hi Katherine,

 

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, I could say the same thing another

way... When I talk about God, i usually say " He/She/It/Them " to

express the idea that I believe all of these can be simultaneously

true. Also true for me is that the Divine Force is beyond all sense of

gender, more of a cosmic energy (the 'none' bit). I know it's a bit

contradictory to have all these things as true at the same time but it

feels right to me... I like the explanation I heard from a Hindu once

that the many Gods are small parts of the great Divine that break off

in order that we might better communicate with He/She/It/Them...

 

Although I'm not sure if this makes it any clearer but I have been

feeling a bit foggy headed for the past few days, along with some

pressure headaches so please excuse me if I'm still not making sense -

then again, I can't promise that I'd ever make sense

 

In Love and Peace

Ruari

 

, Katherine Miller

<katsam19 wrote:

>

> Ruari,

>

> What you say makes some sense except the " none " part. I know that

our minds can manifest sickness as well as wellness. But I also

believe that there is a greater source than us. I know that we have

the same capabilities because it is stated throughout the Bible that

we do, however, people have harnessed that by telling us that if we

believe we can do the same as God or have the same abilities as God

then we will be punished by God. I once was at church and the preacher

told us that in no uncertain terms that we were to be afraid of God

and if we weren't then we needed to be. I am not afraid of my Heavenly

Father/Mother no more than I am afraid of my Earthly Father/Mother.

This was a Baptist preacher telling this. It is all in the perspective

of our beliefs I guess!

>

> Much Love and Peace for All Eternity,

> Katherine

>

>

> ruari_neill <spirit wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Interesting stuff this. I have been reliably informed by a friend who

> has studies these texts in the original available languages that the

> Hebrew word for God had no gender, i.e. it wasn't defined as either

> male or female. Incidentally, the same is true of " Allah " as used by

> the muslims as the name of God. The imposition of a gender has come

> about, not least by being translated into other languages as in

> English an " it " is only a " thing " whereas many other languages have

> gendered nouns and therefore are not so bothered by a god that is an

> " it " !!

> Personally I believe that the Divine encompasses all that we are

> capable of manifesting and is therefore all genders and none.

>

> Peace,

> Ruari

>

> , Katherine Miller

> <katsam19@> wrote:

> >

> > I am sure as well Elektra, because in Genesis it states:

> >

> > 26 " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness... "

> > 27 " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God

> created him; male and female created he them. "

> >

> > In my interpretation, and Please correct me if I am wrong, my

> interpretation of it is that either there is a Male God and a Female

> God, or God is both male and female. Either way there is a female

> involved in our creation. This is spoken of before the creation of

> Adam and before the creation of Eve. So I as I said I wish to believe

> that both exist in some form, whether as one or as two beings.

> >

> > Much Love and Peace for all Eternity,

> > Katherine

> >

> > Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> > I'm sure the word " mother " was often replaced by the

> > word " father " in the bible also...... Or should it be

> > Father/mother God?

> > hee hee

> > Love E x x x

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

This is something I am always working on also Ruari,

I notice that certain words may mean something to you

but mean something else to another, especially via

email, words can seem harsher or softer, depending

also on the mood of the reader.

I think that sanskrit was supposed to be a language

that no misunderstandings could take place with due to

its design, that would be cool today I think.

 

Words can mean so many things, thats why I see the

arguing of words a little pointless at times, like

some people told me not to call the kundalini " snake "

power but to use the word " serpent " as it's better. ??

How is snake bad? To me a snake is amazing and no

different from the word serpent?

Weird.

 

Can't wait for full telepathy to abide in this world,

it would make things easier

 

Much love Elektra

 

--- ruari_neill <spirit

wrote:

 

> Ha! Ha! No, You were the hand of the universe

> reminding me again that

> there is often a difference between what i am

> thinking, what I think I

> am saying and what it actually sounds like to other

> people! I am

> trying to be more aware of this but it is a frequent

> difficulty for

> me.

 

 

 

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I love reading your posts and the thoughts that spring from them!

 

I certainly agree with the telepathy bit. And I really recommend

reading Spider Robinson books if you haven't already come across them.

particularly the stardancer books have lots to say about letting go

and telepathy and how much happier we would be if we stopped being so

afraid of being open to one another.

 

I didn't know that about Sanskrit... that sounds really interesting. I

do know it is a reason why translations of the Qur'an are not

considered to be 'real' copies as the idea is that translation loses

contact from the original words/meanings. And my mind was opened as a

child by a religious education teacher who told me that the hebrew

word for 'day' also mean 'a period of time' and so the bible could be

equally interpreted both ways and still be true. I think it really

helped to start to question the assumptions I made about understanding

what I read. I was contemplating learning another language recently as

I like the way it helps to shift your world view, maybe I ought to

have a look at Sanskrit!!

 

with love and laughter,

Ruari

 

 

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> This is something I am always working on also Ruari,

> I notice that certain words may mean something to you

> but mean something else to another, especially via

> email, words can seem harsher or softer, depending

> also on the mood of the reader.

> I think that sanskrit was supposed to be a language

> that no misunderstandings could take place with due to

> its design, that would be cool today I think.

>

> Words can mean so many things, thats why I see the

> arguing of words a little pointless at times, like

> some people told me not to call the kundalini " snake "

> power but to use the word " serpent " as it's better. ??

> How is snake bad? To me a snake is amazing and no

> different from the word serpent?

> Weird.

>

> Can't wait for full telepathy to abide in this world,

> it would make things easier

>

> Much love Elektra

>

> --- ruari_neill <spirit

> wrote:

>

> > Ha! Ha! No, You were the hand of the universe

> > reminding me again that

> > there is often a difference between what i am

> > thinking, what I think I

> > am saying and what it actually sounds like to other

> > people! I am

> > trying to be more aware of this but it is a frequent

> > difficulty for

> > me.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I understand and agree with both you Ruari and Elektra about word meaning and I

do need to practice using the words in their different meanings rather than the

standard usage. I also agree about the telepathy thing! That would be awesome to

communicate telepathically and then we wouldn't have to write or type and try to

make sure what we are wanting to say gets across correctly. Tone of a voice

really helps to understand where someone is going with a conversation and also

allows you to understand their view. Anyway, we all have opinions, we all have

different views, and we all love one another, and we are going ALL HAVE A

WONDERFUL DAY when we wake up, RIGHT?! Much Love and Peace to both of you Ruari

and Elektra...have a wonderful night!

 

ruari_neill <spirit wrote: I love reading your

posts and the thoughts that spring from them!

 

I certainly agree with the telepathy bit. And I really recommend

reading Spider Robinson books if you haven't already come across them.

particularly the stardancer books have lots to say about letting go

and telepathy and how much happier we would be if we stopped being so

afraid of being open to one another.

 

I didn't know that about Sanskrit... that sounds really interesting. I

do know it is a reason why translations of the Qur'an are not

considered to be 'real' copies as the idea is that translation loses

contact from the original words/meanings. And my mind was opened as a

child by a religious education teacher who told me that the hebrew

word for 'day' also mean 'a period of time' and so the bible could be

equally interpreted both ways and still be true. I think it really

helped to start to question the assumptions I made about understanding

what I read. I was contemplating learning another language recently as

I like the way it helps to shift your world view, maybe I ought to

have a look at Sanskrit!!

 

with love and laughter,

Ruari

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> This is something I am always working on also Ruari,

> I notice that certain words may mean something to you

> but mean something else to another, especially via

> email, words can seem harsher or softer, depending

> also on the mood of the reader.

> I think that sanskrit was supposed to be a language

> that no misunderstandings could take place with due to

> its design, that would be cool today I think.

>

> Words can mean so many things, thats why I see the

> arguing of words a little pointless at times, like

> some people told me not to call the kundalini " snake "

> power but to use the word " serpent " as it's better. ??

> How is snake bad? To me a snake is amazing and no

> different from the word serpent?

> Weird.

>

> Can't wait for full telepathy to abide in this world,

> it would make things easier

>

> Much love Elektra

>

> --- ruari_neill <spirit

> wrote:

>

> > Ha! Ha! No, You were the hand of the universe

> > reminding me again that

> > there is often a difference between what i am

> > thinking, what I think I

> > am saying and what it actually sounds like to other

> > people! I am

> > trying to be more aware of this but it is a frequent

> > difficulty for

> > me.

>

>

>

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Dear Electra, Alfus, Katherine and group,

 

The concept of original sin I have known for a while that its presumption to it being related to sexual conduct is incorrect. I have only just realised that in its true context it is rather related to debt. It is in fact more to do with the advent of canon/corporate law and statues that follow and it refers to being encumbered by debt.

 

 

They claim mans fall from grace is related to the time of Adam and Eve, or how I understand what the fundamental religions are trying to push across is that Adam was perfect and male in gender and that his body did not rot or decompose, though they leave out that Adam was actually attributed to the first physical form race of man. The segregation of the sexes was the beginning of the next race or the lemurs. The first debt was created because before that, man was self sufficient (did not need a partner to procreate). Though the true fact in my belief is that, the separation of the sexes took place to remove self centeredness of an entirely self sufficient monad that was lacking in the fundamentals of the aspect of abstract mind. This was done by the influence of Saturn or Satan the fallen Sun with the symbology of the snake within the heavens as well as the awakening of the head centre then, which we now know as mooladhara chakra.

It was the development of swadhistana that perfected sexual reproduction in mammals that pushed us forward into the next race what we call Atlantis because basically the main memory we have of it is the flood. Eve apparently was a blunder, a mistake - the missing link between man and ape that happened during the transition of the development of sexual segregation.

 

 

Back to now and sin: Statutes always have a price on them and you can always pay your way out of them with negotiable instruments. It is thought by most that fines and taxes return to the community as a whole. This is only partly true because the man is forced in labour to reimburse his debt to the community, but because the money itself is based upon sin, it is not returned to the public in fact, it is added to the debt by future borrowings.

It may seem the plot gets thicker as it will be hard to remove the redemption that Jesus died for. I cannot see how they can possibly do it now, as I have come to learn and witness history - How over centuries Christ's disciples have worked so hard to protect its secrets, so that ones born under the sign the fish (the ones immersed in water) to bring in this new era of the water bearer. (the ones who are carriers of water). I used to wonder how the patterns of the stars were conceived to take shape of the named constellations. However now I wonder if the constellations were named to reflect the thoughts of the future and the shapes were drawn from that imagery.

If you watch this movie, you may begin to see what I mean and also wonder. However its colour may be tainted with that of dark conspiracy it can be used to understand the underlying elements of truth. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3648930131443936554

 

The advent of the Aquarian age has the symbolism of removing the people out of the water as an amphibian with fire (mind) breathing properties though still be able to deal in commerce without the need to be immersed in it or entrenched by it, (walk on water so to say). The saying head above the water allows one to breath air but for so many as yet it is such a struggle that causes many heart attacks and chest diseases, ( the air element has to do with the evolution regarding the heart centre) the reason of why occultist call mind aspect fire, when in fact it is enthetic. Might pertain to the fact that manapura chakra; of being a bridge to the heart of the journey upward, is a reflection of agna chakra during the next evolutionary schedule. Where as bidu chakra sometimes referred to as alta minor working for the earth element works in unison to the heart or throat what ever the evolution status of the future individual man/woman may be; or rather be in terms of the main expressions of communicating with the outside world.

 

When this happens it signifies extensively the promised return of Christ though in the mean time the present and past economical system has been in alteration before our eyes, but in secret, and unknown even to politicians who only seem to have deceit sight. Though many of them do know of the redemption and skilfully use it against any corruptible charges laid against them. The majority of the people do not know this, it is a built in safety mostly because people as a whole are yet to awaken there heart centre enough to take full responsibility for them self's; to attune themselves to work in true harmony with others. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12677d.htm

 

 

Over the last 200 years or so we have seen the debunking of royalty throughout Asia and Europe. Including the Bolsheviks who was the majority that become the minority of Russia they bought in Marxism. We have seen the powers of the banking fraternity grow outside fathomable powers and people as associated to personalities are now commercial items belonging to them. It is my belief that the banking fraternity is descendent from the knight’s templar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar that the remainder of them held vigilance in Switzerland after King Philip done his double cross to them. To what extent there is no longer any monarchy in France. Also Switzerland is the home of all commercial banking and is always considered a neutral state during times of seemingly constant warfare.

 

As they are monks they are answerable to god within there intentions so slavery is forbidden however commercial contracts and agreements are not (though Jesus warns against them) and this include contracts with god such as the Arch of the Covenant. Covenant meaning contract. thus the redemption is if anyone make a contract which has not got full discloser of intent written in it or as proclaimed if it is of fraud or trickery it is not a valid contract, This gives the defrauded party validity to correct the terms of agreement to how he or she feels fit within the scope of commercial law if proof of required validity is not forth coming when asked.

By as in the signing of the treatise of peace 1919/20 in Versailles is indeed a contract as such that states that, "high contracting parties shall pay for the debt of the nationals". Similarly stated is the queens coronation oath as well as in the US trading with the enemy act they indeed provide the remedy through clearing houses via the secretary of treasury in closed courts. These remedies have been sought after and found by non domination Christian patriots under much duress, through study of the statues laws constitutions as well as history. I take my hat off to in great respect. You can hear some of the speak on Truth Radio pod cast at but as yet I don't think any one has really put it all together properly in full context Mostly because I really don’t think they understand in full the necessity of evolution. http://24.180.11.251/AudioArchive/Higher%20Ground%20Live%20--%20Pastor%20Massad/

 

how I analyse the Commercial Redemption TM ideas and theories and how I see its importance as it may be away to secure the material rights of sovereigns in the case that they are challenged as healers or that there good will be challenged as in the case of Wilhelm Rieght where as he entered the court system to defend his theories and on defence of his theories was jailed on contempt. He entered the court room as property of the state; in general appearance, without attempting to go through the correct methods of seeking discloser of the presumed charges against his capital letter name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich he also identified himself by attendance of the court that he was carrying proof that he was such a personality. if he new of the process to secure his exemption we may all be better of today. I see other beneficial ideologies such as a development of an ashram constructed for families and couples who wish to find harmony within a group situation outside the present commercial structure but a structure within its own self determined trading scheme therefore fully independent of any strangling outside rules imposed by outside statute laws though natural laws are to be left able. It is based purely on administrative procedure. http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation15.htm

 

There are no ashrams or communities as such that I have seen or heard of. They all seem to fall short continuing dependency on statute law. This is the case of have to because of the lack of knowledge of law, and of agreements one of the greatest losses of community is the essences http://www.essene.com/GospelOfPeace/peace4.html

I believe they were destroyed to the reason of Jewish/Roman commerce prior to Catholicism which may well of bought Catholicism about as a means to amend the essenic demise, amongst Christians during the destruction of Constantinople and the fall of the "previous" Roman Empire. That in turn created a religion of negotiation made up of Judeo/ Christian beliefs, its laws and the laws of Rome which took the powers away from Caesar to the Pope thus the introduction of canon law.

 

It has been a utterance of a inner voice many years ago that told me than in years to come there will be no need to toil for shelter as for everything it will be provided. It may seem impossible to you now as it did to me then to see especially when we see so many homeless staving and dying souls. Though it may be indeed karma though if so, karma needs to strike a balance> because now that I have learnt in my studies that the people are the real commodity backing the currencies I believe it is possible. Yet the people are not getting there fair share to insure freedom and redemption. There is corruption it has always been there many blame the current commercial banking fraternity, though there is much more politics going on behind the scenes. We do not see it though because of it, I can only study and test what is available and in fact is hidden. It is a draw on our own conclusions because there is so much distrust within the current community, although things over all are getting better the courage needed still seems great. But at the same time seems rewarding.

 

Where a lot of the confusion lies is in the secretiveness and missinformtion, and we are led to believe the current war situation might be about oil, it is actually a war about money, though I believe it has more to do with ridding unscrupulous governing bodies and there self gratifying ideals keeping mankind from progression. There are the disciples of Christ in there hordes all fighting for the freedom to turn this place into a heaven. I do not know who this group is or if it is many individuals against those who promote self centred interests. Though I am unable to point my finger at the commercial bankers as being against the Christ although they have done seemingly just as many dastardly things as many good things in order to collect the world gold reserves and remove the silver backing of money.

http://www.gdrc.org/icm/owner-money.html

 

It is for this mankind now sits on the threshold of a new world and there is a great need for the kundalini to be realised because the true redemption can only be found in the inner man. In that the character of the inner man has the ability to be sovereign to rule and share him/herself, for they may be given a just credit. Not debt; guilt fear or anything that pertains to sin!

 

 

John M

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear John,

 

Very informative and on the money (if you excuse the

pun),

I have also been having this desire for freedom, but

not just in the mundane sense, but in the sense of

freedom from judgement of sin.

To me it's becoming less and less black and white, and

much more grey, as in there is no wrong in life, and

my soul is yearning to become whole, complete and

residing in a place where all is free to move as it

wishes.

 

All these making decisions based on what society deems

as " correct " , to be married at all, to buy a house,

living happily ever after, they all seem like ideas

stemming from something my soul isn't resonating with

anymore.

 

a detachment and feeling of unity at the same time.

 

Many facets are there to the learning process.

 

Thankyou for going deep,

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

 

 

 

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dear elektra

I use to wonder that I took physical life 500 years before I should

have. I just wanted out of society in general

Now I belive I see a change in conciousness is but around the corner I

am much happier.

Thank you

John M

 

 

Dear John,

 

Very informative and on the money (if you excuse the

pun),

I have also been having this desire for freedom, but

not just in the mundane sense, but in the sense of

freedom from judgement of sin.

To me it's becoming less and less black and white, and

much more grey, as in there is no wrong in life, and

my soul is yearning to become whole, complete and

residing in a place where all is free to move as it

wishes.

 

All these making decisions based on what society deems

as " correct " , to be married at all, to buy a house,

living happily ever after, they all seem like ideas

stemming from something my soul isn't resonating with

anymore.

 

a detachment and feeling of unity at the same time.

 

Many facets are there to the learning process.

 

Thankyou for going deep,

 

Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

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