Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Even during rest, between errands, the ego so easily pushes off the pitiable self trying to assert itself. So easy it is for the veil of ego to smother the meek rays of the self. Alas! Why is the self so meek? sundar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Dear Sundar, In my opinion the Self is not weak at all. It has to bide its time until all the preparatory sadhanas are completed satisfactorily before it can execute the 'coup de grace'. If the Self acted prematurely before the vasanas were properly removed the effect of Self Realisation would be too strong for the nervous system to withstand. All we can do is carry out Self Enquiry and Surrender etc. to the best of our ability and wait patiently on the abundance of Grace ready to act when we are ready. love and best wishes in your quest, Alan. --- On Sun, 18/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote: sundar22ca <sundar22ca Pitiable self? Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 2:27 Even during rest, between errands, the ego so easily pushes off the pitiable self trying to assert itself.So easy it is for the veil of ego to smother the meek rays of the self.Alas! Why is the self so meek?sundar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Alan, In spite of the conditioning we have gone through etc., I find it ironic that the 'I' should find it so difficult to reside in the 'I'. If you know of any, let me know where I can read more about the potential effect on the nervous system due to premature Self Realisation. Thanks. sundar , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Sundar, >  > In my opinion the Self is not weak at all. It has to bide its time until all the preparatory sadhanas are completed satisfactorily before it can execute the 'coup de grace'. If the Self acted prematurely before the vasanas were properly removed the effect of Self Realisation would be too strong for the nervous system to withstand. All we can do is carry out Self Enquiry and Surrender etc. to the best of our ability and wait patiently on the abundance of Grace ready to act when we are ready. >  > love and best wishes in your quest, >  > Alan > . > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote: > > > sundar22ca <sundar22ca > Pitiable self? > > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 2:27 > > >  > > > > Even during rest, between errands, the ego so easily pushes off the pitiable self trying to assert itself. > > So easy it is for the veil of ego to smother the meek rays of the self. > > Alas! Why is the self so meek? > > sundar > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Sundar,  The time taken for awakening according to Bhagavan's Teaching, as I understand it, depends on how many vasanas need to be cleared that have accumulated not only in this life time, but in many previous life times. Sri Bhagavan says that Grace does not permit us to know about our previous life times , as it would increase anxiety even more than is felt about this current life time and its accumulation of conditioning etc. He also said that the Awakening was like an elephant entering a straw hut, and the time varied depending on the sadhanas completed in previous life times. Some were like wet sticks, some dry, some ready to fire any moment, In some cases it may be very few or no sadhanas have been performed previously.. He himself had a shake on one side, noticeable in his old age which was attributed to this experience by Devotees. There is no treatise on the effect on the nervous system that I know of, although there may be one..Rumi said that if you and 5000 others got what you wanted immediately it would kill you all. I think it is Grace that makes the process seems slow to protect us, and we are told that the real progress is when we are not thinking about progress at all. So one must persist with Faith and persistence knowing ultimately all will be well. Yours in Bhagavan, Love, Alan --- On Tue, 20/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote: sundar22ca <sundar22ca Re: Pitiable self? @.com Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 22:34  Dear Alan, In spite of the conditioning we have gone through etc., I find it ironic that the 'I' should find it so difficult to reside in the 'I'. If you know of any, let me know where I can read more about the potential effect on the nervous system due to premature Self Realisation. Thanks. sundar , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sundar, >  > In my opinion the Self is not weak at all. It has to bide its time until all the preparatory sadhanas are completed satisfactorily before it can execute the 'coup de grace'. If the Self acted prematurely before the vasanas were properly removed the effect of Self Realisation would be too strong for the nervous system to withstand. All we can do is carry out Self Enquiry and Surrender etc. to the best of our ability and wait patiently on the abundance of Grace ready to act when we are ready. >  > love and best wishes in your quest, >  > Alan > . > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca@ ...> wrote: > > > sundar22ca <sundar22ca@ ...> > Pitiable self? > > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 2:27 > > >  > > > > Even during rest, between errands, the ego so easily pushes off the pitiable self trying to assert itself. > > So easy it is for the veil of ego to smother the meek rays of the self. > > Alas! Why is the self so meek? > > sundar > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Alan, Thanks for taking the time to explain. sundar , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Sundar, >  > The time taken for awakening according to Bhagavan's Teaching, as I understand it, depends on how many vasanas need to be cleared that have accumulated not only in this life time, but in many previous life times. > > Sri Bhagavan says that Grace does not permit us to know about our previous life times , as it would increase anxiety even more than is felt about this current life time and its accumulation of conditioning etc. He also said that the Awakening was like an elephant entering a straw hut, and the time varied depending on the sadhanas completed in previous life times. Some were like wet sticks, some dry, some ready to fire any moment, In some cases it may be very few or no sadhanas have been performed previously.. > > He himself had a shake on one side, noticeable in his old age which was attributed to this experience by Devotees. > > There is no treatise on the effect on the nervous system that I know of, although there may be one..Rumi said that if you and 5000 others got what you wanted immediately it would kill you all. > > I think it is Grace that makes the process seems slow to protect us, and we are told that the real progress is when we are not thinking about progress at all. So one must persist with Faith and persistence knowing ultimately all will be well. > > Yours in Bhagavan, > > Love, > > Alan > > --- On Tue, 20/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca wrote: > > > sundar22ca <sundar22ca > Re: Pitiable self? > @.com > Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 22:34 > > >  > > > > Dear Alan, > In spite of the conditioning we have gone through etc., I find it ironic that the 'I' should find it so difficult to reside in the 'I'. > > If you know of any, let me know where I can read more about the potential effect on the nervous system due to premature Self Realisation. > Thanks. > sundar > > , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sundar, > >  > > In my opinion the Self is not weak at all. It has to bide its time until all the preparatory sadhanas are completed satisfactorily before it can execute the 'coup de grace'. If the Self acted prematurely before the vasanas were properly removed the effect of Self Realisation would be too strong for the nervous system > to withstand. All we can do is carry out Self Enquiry and Surrender etc. to the best of our ability and wait patiently on the abundance of Grace ready to act when we are ready. > >  > > love and best wishes in your quest, > >  > > Alan > > . > > --- On Sun, 18/4/10, sundar22ca <sundar22ca@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sundar22ca <sundar22ca@ ...> > > Pitiable self? > > > > Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 2:27 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Even during rest, between errands, the ego so easily pushes off the pitiable self trying to assert itself. > > > > So easy it is for the > veil of ego to smother the meek rays of the self. > > > > Alas! Why is the self so meek? > > > > sundar > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
