Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Lulu, are you the Lulu I know? ~JillOn Dec 14, 2009, at 8:38 AM, black_machine_2 wrote:Hi Raja, Hello yosy, Dear silenceHow nice to meet – myself - my own consciousness, finally, after such a long time. Dear self, since our body is only temporal, also our aware consciousness is only temporal. And if we cease to be our body, becoming all others, our awareness and consciousness will be lost,And we become those unknowing other selves who we were from the beginning. Therefore I drive to teach, my others, who I am, and who they are.And I hope you do the same.What is your way of teaching your other selves, that you are all them, and that they are all you?And that they always forget, that they always return to this original unknowingness, the state of ignorance.What is your path, out of this ignorance, what is your way of becoming the realized self again and again?regards, lulu ps: call me coma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Lulu Master I am not But can share a thought . The path is not one As best there is none. In every path you find The road block is mind, Makes you as You , Others as Not You . So work on this mind your own path you will find Yours Raja --- On Mon, 14/12/09, black_machine_2 <black_machine_2 wrote: black_machine_2 <black_machine_2 What is your path?! Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:38 PM Hi Raja, Hello yosy, Dear silenceHow nice to meet – myself - my own consciousness, finally, after such a long time. Dear self, since our body is only temporal, also our aware consciousness is only temporal. And if we cease to be our body, becoming all others, our awareness and consciousness will be lost,And we become those unknowing other selves who we were from the beginning. Therefore I drive to teach, my others, who I am, and who they are.And I hope you do the same.What is your way of teaching your other selves, that you are all them, and that they are all you?And that they always forget, that they always return to this original unknowingness, the state of ignorance.What is your path, out of this ignorance, what is your way of becoming the realized self again and again?regards, lulu ps: call me coma The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 ---- Original message ---- >Date:  Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:38:42 -0000 >  " black_machine_2 " <black_machine_2 >Subject:  What is your path?! >To:  > > > > Hi Raja, Hello yosy, Dear silence > > How nice to meet – myself - my own consciousness, > finally, after such a long time. > Dear self, since our body is only temporal, also our > aware consciousness is only temporal. > And if we cease to be our body, becoming all others, > our awareness and consciousness will be lost, > And we become those unknowing other selves who we > were from the beginning. > Therefore I drive to teach, my others, who I am, and > who they are. > And I hope you do the same. > > What is your way of teaching your other selves, that > you are all them, and that they are all you? > And that they always forget, that they always return > to this original unknowingness, the state of > ignorance. > What is your path, out of this ignorance, what is > your way of becoming the realized self again and > again? > > regards, lulu > ps: call me coma > path? what path? wanderer, the path is your footsteps nothing else... there is no road you lay down a path in the walking. in walking you lay down a path. and when turning around, you see the road you will never step on again... wanderer, path there is none only tracks in ocean foam. ~ Antonio Machado ~ welcome to the company, lulu coma yosy (fellow passanger) ps. is it a 'he' lulu or 'she' lulu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear Comaji, What is the path from 'I' to 'I'. Every one tries find a path to his/her 'I'( his/her implies that we look at ourselves as bodies). Tries to find some one who can show it. But who can show the path to our 'I'? And, how to find it? We cannot find it. Because, we are it. So, we can just 'be'. When we are, that is, when the 'I' thought disappears, we are still conscious, but without the duality of subject-object split. Body can be there(poor body has done nothing wrong), but 'I am the body' feel is not there. When the 'I' thought disappears, not a single thought can cross the mind. We will be in perfect peace. Both 'I' and 'they'( he, she, it) disappear. Who is there to teach what and to whom? Eenquiry 'Who am I' is the pathless path, where in the 'I' in the mind is continuously directed to 'I'. Sri Antonio Machado's 'Wanderer' is nice. There is only Now, ever. Now is the consciousness in which the present moment unfolds. When the present moment unfolds, we call the memory of it as past. Where is the past except in memory. Can any body ever experience past except in mind? So the question of path can be also asked in another way as 'what is the path to Now'? Are we not the consciousness in which the present moment is unfolding? That is consciousness which does not say 'I' or 'they'. Just 'Be', and let the unfolding happen! Love Yours in Bhagavan Ramamohan , <yosyflug wrote: > > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date:  Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:38:42 -0000 > >  " black_machine_2 " <black_machine_2 > >Subject:  What is your > path?! > >To:  > > > > > > > > Hi Raja, Hello yosy, Dear silence > > > > How nice to meet †" myself - my own consciousness, > > finally, after such a long time. > > Dear self, since our body is only temporal, also our > > aware consciousness is only temporal. > > And if we cease to be our body, becoming all others, > > our awareness and consciousness will be lost, > > And we become those unknowing other selves who we > > were from the beginning. > > Therefore I drive to teach, my others, who I am, and > > who they are. > > And I hope you do the same. > > > > What is your way of teaching your other selves, that > > you are all them, and that they are all you? > > And that they always forget, that they always return > > to this original unknowingness, the state of > > ignorance. > > What is your path, out of this ignorance, what is > > your way of becoming the realized self again and > > again? > > > > regards, lulu > > ps: call me coma > > > > path? what path? > > > > wanderer, > the path is your footsteps > nothing else... > > there is no road > you lay down a path > in the walking. > in walking you lay down a path. > > and when turning around, > you see the road > you will never step on > again... > > wanderer, path there is none > only tracks in ocean foam. > > > ~ Antonio Machado ~ > > > welcome to the company, lulu coma > > yosy (fellow passanger) > > ps. is it a 'he' lulu or 'she' lulu? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 , " Ramamohan " <srmnanduri wrote: >Are we not the consciousness in which the present moment is >unfolding? That is consciousness which does not say 'I' or 'they'. >Just 'Be', and let the unfolding happen! I don't think so. In the relational viewpoint, there may be unfoldings (whatever that is) and changes. In the Absolute, all is perfect and unchanging, without movement. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Sir, The truth of the statement can only discovered when the 'I' thought diaappears. In that state the senses are sunk in light. It is the state that is also described as Turiya. Turiya is also a Self Realized state. Please see the Talk 82 of Sri Bhagavan.The body performs the actions. When I used the term 'unfolds', the perceeiver who says 'I am perceiving,, the 'I', is not there, but the perceptions continue to take place. Talk 82. A question was raised about the differences in the various samadhis. M.: When The Senses Are Merged In Darkness It Is Deep Sleep; When Merged In Light It Is Samadhi. Just as a passenger when asleep in a carriage is unaware of the motion, the halting or the unharnessing of the horses, so also a Jnani in sahaja samadhi is unaware of the happenings, waking, dream and deep sleep. Here sleep corresponds to the unharnessing of the horses. And samadhi corresponds to the halting of the horses, because the senses are ready to act just as the horses are ready to move after halting. In samadhi the head does not bend down because the senses are there though inactive; whereas the head bends down in sleep because the senses are merged in darkness. In kevala samadhi, the activities (vital and mental), waking, dream and sleep, are only merged, ready to emerge after regaining the state other than samadhi. In sahaja samadhi the activities, vital and mental, and the three states are destroyed, never to reappear. However, others notice the Jnani active e.g., eating, talking, moving etc. He is not himself aware of these activities, whereas others are aware of his activities. They pertain to his body and not to his Real Self, swarupa. For himself, he is like the sleeping passenger - or like a child interrupted from sound sleep and fed, being unaware of it. The child says the next day that he did not take milk at all and that he went to sleep without it. Even when reminded he cannot be convinced. So also in sahaja samadhi. Also please see the talk below from Day By Day With Bhagavan, 11-1-46 Afternoon: A young man from Colombo asked Bhagavan, " How are the three states of consciousness inferior in degree of reality to the fourth? What is the actual relation between these three states and the fourth? " Bhagavan: There is only one state, that of consciousness or awareness or existence. The three states of waking, dream and sleep cannot be real. They simply come and go. The real will always exist. The `I' or existence that alone persists in all the three states is real. The other three are not real and so it is not possible to say they have such and such a degree of reality. We may roughly put it like this. Existence Or Consciousness Is The Only Reality. Consciousness Plus Waking, We Call Waking. Consciousness Plus Sleep, We Call Sleep. Consciousness Plus Dream, We Call Dream. Consciousness Is The Screen On Which All The Pictures Come And Go. The Screen Is Real; The Pictures Are Mere Shadows On It. Here Waking means, the mind and senses arise when light of consciousness shines on the physical seat of mind, that is the brain, the head rises, and the consciousness spreads to the body. Perceptions begin to take place. But as 'I' thought rises, we mistakenly consider ourselves to be the body, and think that we are perceiving, seeing, hearing!!!. Thus we are always the consciousness which is always absolute, and nothing but absolute and is ever present. And as waking takes place, endowed by consciousness, the senses begin to perceive, we call the perceptions unfolding upon the screen of consciousness. If you want to test it, if you can, try and not to listen when some body is talking infront of you, not to feel the touch when some body touches you and try not to smell when a scent is sprayed around you. If that substratum, the consciousness is not shining, the body would drop dead, there will be no more perceptions. Your so called 'I'has no control on it. It is not real 'I' but I thought, the real 'I' is the one which is enabling the preceptions by shinging its light on senses like sun shine on earth. You actually have no control on any thing what so ever like earth cannot stop receiving sunlight!!!. So, every thing unfolds. The unfortunate thing is that with the movemet of mind(thought), as we attach ourselves to the thought and experience the spin, our absolute nature is obsured, we think that we have to attain the state. It is mischief of 'I' thought. get rid of it, and you will discover the truth, says Sri Bhagavan. " Be Still And Know " . We are always unmoving Absolute only! Just do not attach to and move with the mind. Just BE. 'Summa Iru' says sri Bhagavan, means 'Be Still' Trust you find this acceptable. Sorry for the long reply. Love Yours in Bhagavan, Ramamohan , " richarkar " <richarkar wrote: > > > > , " Ramamohan " <srmnanduri@> wrote: > > >Are we not the consciousness in which the present moment is >unfolding? That is consciousness which does not say 'I' or 'they'. >Just 'Be', and let the unfolding happen! > > I don't think so. In the relational viewpoint, there may be unfoldings (whatever that is) and changes. In the Absolute, all is perfect and unchanging, without movement. Yes? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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