The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

[Guest guest]

Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints. We should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not in anyway required and for many it became such a strong habit that it is impossible to stop the thought flow.

A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that waking state is also a dream.

Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and action, which i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline) stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. 

Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

 

Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of " " which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Prasanth Jalasutram

[Guest guest]

Dear Prasanth,

 

According to the Great Ganapati Muni's Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self Realisation through the Yogic Kundalini Method- not through Self Enquiry as this posting points out. He was a close associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and his Ramana Gita is a great treasure.

 

Love,

 

Alan--- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:

Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana RajuMonday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM

 

 

 

Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints. We should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not in anyway required and for many it became such a strong habit that it is impossible to stop the thought flow.A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told

him that waking state is also a dream.Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and action, which i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline) stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P.. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

 

 

Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of "" which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings

-- Om namo Bhagavate Sri RamanayaPrasanth Jalasutram

[Guest guest]

Dr.Raju wrote:

 

Dear Alan,Namaste.

The news of death of Sri Ganapati Muni reached

 

Bhagawan when he is in dining.There itself Bhagawan spoke about his

 

good qualities for one hour.Somebody in the audience asked

 

Bhagawan whether he feels that Ganapathi Muni is realised.

 

Bhagawan immediately retorted saying " How is it possible " .

 

Where as when Bhagawan heard the death of Siva Prakasam Pillai

 

he immediately declared that Siva Prakasam Pillai got realised.

 

Same is the case with cow Lakshmi.All this you can verify in the

 

books of Asram.

 

 

, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

> Dear Prasanth,

>  

> According to the Great Ganapati Muni's Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self

Realisation through the Yogic Kundalini Method- not through Self Enquiry as this

posting points out. He was a close associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and

his Ramana Gita is a great treasure.

>  

> Love,

>  

> Alan

>

> --- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth wrote:

>

>

> Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth

> The role of thought in daily life By

Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> To:

> Monday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM

>

>

>

Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints. We

should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not

in anyway required and for many it became such a strong habit that it is

impossible to stop the thought flow.

>

> A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could

not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close

association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather

information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to

indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president

and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that

world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that

waking state is also a dream.

>

> Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of

Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only

few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and

action, which i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline) stage.

This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in uninterrupted

awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. 

>

> Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

>

>

>

> Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of " "

which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings

>

>

> --

> Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr.Raju,

 

I do not doubt what you say, that is true. Nevertheless his Biography clearly

states his experience of Kundalini Awakening which was witnessed, by Disciples

who saw the heat rising through his skull etc. In the Book Nyana published by

Ramanasramam.

 

Love,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote:

 

 

drrajunsp <drrajunsp

Re: The role of thought in daily life By

Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

 

Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 6:23 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr.Raju wrote:

 

Dear Alan,Namaste.

The news of death of Sri Ganapati Muni reached

 

Bhagawan when he is in dining.There itself Bhagawan spoke about his

 

good qualities for one hour.Somebody in the audience asked

 

Bhagawan whether he feels that Ganapathi Muni is realised.

 

Bhagawan immediately retorted saying " How is it possible " .

 

Where as when Bhagawan heard the death of Siva Prakasam Pillai

 

he immediately declared that Siva Prakasam Pillai got realised.

 

Same is the case with cow Lakshmi.All this you can verify in the

 

books of Asram.

 

, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prasanth,

>  

> According to the Great Ganapati Muni's

Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self Realisation through the Yogic Kundalini

Method- not through Self Enquiry as this posting points out. He was a close

associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and his Ramana Gita is a great

treasure.

>  

> Love,

>  

> Alan

>

> --- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...>

> The role of thought in daily life By

Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> To:

> Monday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM

>

>

>

Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints.. We

should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not

in anyway required and for many it became such a strong habit that it is

impossible to stop the thought flow.

>

> A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could

not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close

association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather

information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to

indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president

and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that

world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that

waking state is also a dream.

>

> Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of

Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only

few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and

action, which i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline)

stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in

uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. 

>

> Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

>

>

>

> Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of " "

which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings

>

>

> --

> Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> Prasanth Jalasutram

>

[Guest guest]

Dr.Raju wrote:

 

Dear Alan,i also read the same thing.In kundalini practice the

 

energy goes upto Sahasrara only and people enjoy the bliss of

 

reflected consciousness(chidabhasa)but one is said to be

 

realised if one establishes in the spiritual heart centre.

 

This spiritual heart is not mentioned in kundalini yoga.

 

If we say heart centre they feel it is Anahata centre.

 

Kundalini is something to do with the dynamic aspect of

 

consciousness rather than dealing with pure awareness.

 

Well wishers of Nayana wants to see him as a realised soul

 

but Bhagawan word is final.

 

Pranams~Dr.Raju.

 

 

, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

>

>

> Dear Dr.Raju,

>  

> I do not doubt what you say, that is true. Nevertheless his Biography clearly

states his experience of Kundalini Awakening which was witnessed, by Disciples

who saw the heat rising through his skull etc. In the Book Nyana published by

Ramanasramam.

>

> Love,

>

> In His Grace,

>

> Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote:

>

>

> drrajunsp <drrajunsp

> Re: The role of thought in daily life

By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

>

> Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 6:23 AM

>

>

Dr.Raju wrote:

>

> Dear Alan,Namaste.

> The news of death of Sri Ganapati Muni reached

>

> Bhagawan when he is in dining.There itself Bhagawan spoke about his

>

> good qualities for one hour.Somebody in the audience asked

>

> Bhagawan whether he feels that Ganapathi Muni is realised.

>

> Bhagawan immediately retorted saying " How is it possible " .

>

> Where as when Bhagawan heard the death of Siva Prakasam Pillai

>

> he immediately declared that Siva Prakasam Pillai got realised.

>

> Same is the case with cow Lakshmi.All this you can verify in the

>

> books of Asram.

>

> , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prasanth,

> >  

> > According to the Great Ganapati Muni's

> Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self Realisation through the Yogic Kundalini

Method- not through Self Enquiry as this posting points out. He was a close

associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and his Ramana Gita is a great

treasure.

> >  

> > Love,

> >  

> > Alan

> >

> > --- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...>

> > The role of thought in daily life By

Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> > To:

> > Monday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of

saints.. We should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of

context and not in anyway required and for many it became such a strong habit

that it is

> impossible to stop the thought flow.

> >

> > A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could

not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close

association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather

information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to

indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president

and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that

world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that

waking state is also a dream.

> >

> > Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of

Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only

few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and

action, which i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline)

> stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in

uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. 

> >

> > Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of " "

groups which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's

teachings

> >

> >

> > --

> > Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

> > Prasanth Jalasutram

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr.Raju,

 

Thanks for this helpful elucidation- it puts my mind at rest.You are right.

 

Love,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote:

drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

 

Dr.Raju wrote:Dear Alan,i also read the same thing.In kundalini practice the energy goes upto Sahasrara only and people enjoy the bliss ofreflected consciousness( chidabhasa) but one is said to be realised if one establishes in the spiritual heart centre.This spiritual heart is not mentioned in kundalini yoga.If we say heart centre they feel it is Anahata centre.Kundalini is something to do with the dynamic aspect of consciousness rather than dealing with pure awareness. Well wishers of Nayana wants to see him as a realised soulbut Bhagawan word is final.Pranams~Dr.Raju., Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear

Dr.Raju,> > I do not doubt what you say, that is true. Nevertheless his Biography clearly states his experience of Kundalini Awakening which was witnessed, by Disciples who saw the heat rising through his skull etc. In the Book Nyana published by Ramanasramam.> > Love,> > In His Grace,> > Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:> > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..>> Re: The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju> > Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 6:23 AM> > > > > > > > > Dr.Raju wrote:>

> Dear Alan,Namaste.> The news of death of Sri Ganapati Muni reached> > Bhagawan when he is in dining.There itself Bhagawan spoke about his> > good qualities for one hour.Somebody in the audience asked> > Bhagawan whether he feels that Ganapathi Muni is realised.> > Bhagawan immediately retorted saying "How is it possible".> > Where as when Bhagawan heard the death of Siva Prakasam Pillai> > he immediately declared that Siva Prakasam Pillai got realised.> > Same is the case with cow Lakshmi.All this you can verify in the> > books of Asram. > > , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Prasanth,> > > > According to the Great Ganapati Muni's> Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self Realisation through the Yogic

Kundalini Method- not through Self Enquiry as this posting points out. He was a close associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and his Ramana Gita is a great treasure.> > > > Love,> > > > Alan> > > > --- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...>> > The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju> > > > Monday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints.. We should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not in anyway required and for many it

became such a strong habit that it is> impossible to stop the thought flow.> > > > A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that waking state is also a dream.> > > > Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and action, which

i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline)> stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. > > > > Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju> > > > > > > > Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of "" which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings> > > > > > -- > > Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya> > Prasanth Jalasutram> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Alan and raju garu,We should also remember that bhagavan ramana said not to bother whether person A is realised or not as each person has an allotted role to play in  this world.

Once when some devotee asked whether Sri Sankaracharya was only intellectual bhagavan's response is like this.

 

D.: Some say that Sri Sankaracharya was only intellectual and not realised. Is it so?M.: Why worry about Sankaracharya? Realise your own Self. Others can take care of themselves

On another occation discussion goes like this.ONCE somebody asked Bhagavan, “Why don’t you visit places and guide people on the right path as Sankara and some others did?â€

Bhagavan: Merely being physically alive is itself an act of grace of Mahatmas.Even if they keep quiet, the vibrations set off by the power of their tapas spreads harmony and peace.The question itself was inappropriate in the first place.Divine beings come into the world with a purpose and no distractions of their mission are desirable. The Maharshi’s abidance in the Self was intended to demonstrate the importance of experiential knowledge as distinct from mere bookish knowledge. The desire for experiential wisdom depends on one’s samskara and there is no use trying to inspire those who do not desire liberation. 

On another occasion a similar question was put to Bhagavan, to which he replied, “If you go and ask an electric fan to give light, it won’t give it. So is the case with an electric light if it is asked to provide breeze.â€Â Each person had an allotted role to play, that was what Bhagavan meant.

-- 

à°“à°‚  నమో  భగవతే  శà±à°°à±€  రమణాయ   పà±à°°à°¶à°¾à°‚తౠ జలసూతà±à°°à°‚ పà±à°°à±‡à°®à±‡ శాశà±à°µà°¤à°®à±  On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Raju,

 

Thanks for this helpful elucidation- it puts my mind at rest.You are right.

 

Love,

 

In His Grace,

 

Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp wrote:

drrajunsp <drrajunsp Re: The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 9:42 AM

 

 

Dr.Raju wrote:Dear Alan,i also read the same thing.In kundalini practice the energy goes upto Sahasrara only and people enjoy the bliss ofreflected consciousness( chidabhasa) but one is said to be

realised if one establishes in the spiritual heart centre.This spiritual heart is not mentioned in kundalini yoga.If we say heart centre they feel it is Anahata centre.Kundalini is something to do with the dynamic aspect of

consciousness rather than dealing with pure awareness. Well wishers of Nayana wants to see him as a realised soulbut Bhagawan word is final.Pranams~Dr.Raju., Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:

>> > Dear

Dr.Raju,>  > I do not doubt what you say, that is true. Nevertheless his Biography clearly states his experience of Kundalini Awakening which was witnessed, by Disciples who saw the heat rising through his skull etc. In the Book Nyana published by Ramanasramam.

> > Love,> > In His Grace,> > Alan--- On Tue, 14/7/09, drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..> wrote:> > > drrajunsp <drrajunsp@. ..>> Re: The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> > Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 6:23 AM>

> > > > > > > > Dr.Raju wrote:>

> Dear Alan,Namaste.> The news of death of Sri Ganapati Muni reached> > Bhagawan when he is in dining.There itself Bhagawan spoke about his> > good qualities for one hour.Somebody in the audience asked

> > Bhagawan whether he feels that Ganapathi Muni is realised.> > Bhagawan immediately retorted saying " How is it possible " .> > Where as when Bhagawan heard the death of Siva Prakasam Pillai

> > he immediately declared that Siva Prakasam Pillai got realised.> > Same is the case with cow Lakshmi.All this you can verify in the> > books of Asram. > > , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs@ ...> wrote:

> >> > Dear Prasanth,> >  > > According to the Great Ganapati Muni's> Biography,Nyana, he did reach Self Realisation through the Yogic

Kundalini Method- not through Self Enquiry as this posting points out. He was a close associate of Bhagavan from an early age , and his Ramana Gita is a great treasure.> >  > > Love,> >  

> > Alan> > > > --- On Mon, 13/7/09, Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Prasanth Jalasutram <jvrsprasanth@ ...>> > The role of thought in daily life By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju

> > > > Monday, 13 July, 2009, 1:05 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought has it's place when action is required even in the case of saints.. We should not give place to thoughts in our mind which are out of context and not in anyway required and for many it

became such a strong habit that it is> impossible to stop the thought flow.> > > > A person of the caliber of Sri Ganapathi Sastri who has mantra siddhi could not control the thought traffic and missed self-realization even in the close association of Bhagawan.He has strong sastra vasana (The tendency to gather information rather than experiencing the thing) and loka vasana (Tendency to indulge in worldly affairs)and for many years he is district congress president and he wanted whole India to have cement roads because he strongly felt that world is real and we should work for it's welfare, though Bhagawan told him that waking state is also a dream.

> > > > Because he gave attention to such thoughts he missed the quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching and missed the self. To fulfill basic needs we require only few thoughts for action. But we are indulging in unnecessary thinking and action, which

i feel should be curtailed in sadhana(Spiritual discipline)> stage. This is very vital.Thought traffic is reduced when one is in uninterrupted awareness,(Sada Apramada) as told by Sanat kumara. > >

> > Source: The Book on Self Enquiry By Dr. P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju> > > > > > > > Note: P. V. S. Suryanarayana Raju is a member of " " which is one of the largest groups dedicated to Ramana Maharshi's teachings

> > > > > > -- > > Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya> > Prasanth Jalasutram> >>

[tushnim.asanam]

Dear Friends,

Just as Silence is not disturbed by the chirping of birds ... in fact its enhanced ...

So too ... when understanding is right, thoughts are not a botheration.

The intellect has to be built properly with Correct understanding ... and should be firm ... then thoughts are a privilege.

 

If I have to do anything, I need the corresponding thoughts ... but if a thought arises I have the choice whether to act on it or not to act on it.

So if a thought is a suggestion and not a command, I live a free life, choosing what I intend to choose.

Life is a joy ride then.

 

if instead thoughts drive me ... its like a person who sits in a car and the car is driving him rather than he driving the car.

Life becomes an accident.

 

so people should not condemn thoughts ... the problem is with the understanding which makes thoughts our commanders. We need to know how to manage the mind. if we know how to manage the mind, its like driving a car ... we can cruise through our lives with ease and no thought is a problem.

 

 

Love!

Silence