PETA commercial offensive

[Guest guest]

Hi Colin,

 

A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them

20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of

cats and dogs and never again.

 

Anouk

 

, " colin sky " <colinsky wrote:

>

> hi... whitty...?... nice to hear your voice of reason amid the

wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do

achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)

>

> here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for

those that care...

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

Queer theory is part of third-wave feminism (in fact, there's an

organization out there called The Third Wave Foundation that works to

support women and transgendered young people), but there are many

more aspects that make this perspective so much more quixotic (and in

a way, less focused on single issues) than earlier views of

feminism. In school I was drawn more specifically to the issue of

cyberfeminism and the overall issue of subjectivity. Sadie Plant,

Donna Haraway, and the ever popular de Beauvoir were my favorite

feminist theorists to draw from in papers.

 

If you're interested in reading about Third-Wave Feminism, I'm happy

to provide some text suggestions as well as online links. I think

you're based in the UK, correct? So, it'd give you some fodder to

work with your undergrads--or at least make their lives more hectic

by giving them more reading assignments! I'm curious as to whether

or not there's a similar UK movement or if the Generation X and

younger US feminists are a sociological oddity.

 

I figure I've bored most of the rest to tears with this post, so I'll

sign off now.

 

, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab

wrote:

>

> Hi Whitty

>

> Merely highlighting what third wave feminism is. I'm intrigued as

to how the

> perpetuation of a gender divide fits into the concepts of queer

theory which

> inform third wave feminism.

>

> Incidentally, since we're sharing qualifications, I'm currently

researching

> for a history doctorate, and as part of that I teach undergraduate

history -

> a part of which is gender perspectives throughout history.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

hi anouk. that's okay. peta are not a vegan crowd they are an omnivore crowd... not all vegans...

so i do not expect them to hold solely vegan views.

 

as far as i am concerned their hearts are in the right place in promoting the ethical treatment of animals.

 

we all make mistakes... just because they are not perfect is no reason to help bring down one of the most influential animal rights groups on earth... imo ...if the vegans are divided in this way there is less hope...

 

i am certain there are groups and individuals out there/here... with vested interests in making peta falter, including the vivisectionist and the meat industries... all negative associations with peta will be applauded by them...

 

 

 

 

 

lovelife...

 

colin sky

 

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flower child

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:15 PM

Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

Hi Colin, A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of cats and dogs and never again. Anouk , "colin sky" <colinsky wrote:>> hi... whitty...?... nice to hear your voice of reason amid the wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)> > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for those that care...

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Whitty

 

As you say, the rest of the list is probably a bit bored of this by now, so

I will follow your lead and not continue the discussion.

 

All I'll say is thatnk you for your offer of reading suggestions, but as I

teach this to undergraduates as part of Contemporary History, I suspect I've

read just about everything there is on the subject - not just material by

third wave feminists, but academic material discussing the history of the

movement from its roots (some of which doesn't have the inherent bias of

active members of the movement). I would hope I therefore have a fairly good

grasp of theintricacies of the subject already!

 

BB

Peter

 

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" whitty__ " <ravenwolf18

 

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:52 AM

Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

> Hi Peter,

>

> Queer theory is part of third-wave feminism (in fact, there's an

> organization out there called The Third Wave Foundation that works to

> support women and transgendered young people), but there are many

> more aspects that make this perspective so much more quixotic (and in

> a way, less focused on single issues) than earlier views of

> feminism. In school I was drawn more specifically to the issue of

> cyberfeminism and the overall issue of subjectivity. Sadie Plant,

> Donna Haraway, and the ever popular de Beauvoir were my favorite

> feminist theorists to draw from in papers.

>

> If you're interested in reading about Third-Wave Feminism, I'm happy

> to provide some text suggestions as well as online links. I think

> you're based in the UK, correct? So, it'd give you some fodder to

> work with your undergrads--or at least make their lives more hectic

> by giving them more reading assignments! I'm curious as to whether

> or not there's a similar UK movement or if the Generation X and

> younger US feminists are a sociological oddity.

>

> I figure I've bored most of the rest to tears with this post, so I'll

> sign off now.

>

> , Peter Kebbell <metalscarab

> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Whitty

>>

>> Merely highlighting what third wave feminism is. I'm intrigued as

> to how the

>> perpetuation of a gender divide fits into the concepts of queer

> theory which

>> inform third wave feminism.

>>

>> Incidentally, since we're sharing qualifications, I'm currently

> researching

>> for a history doctorate, and as part of that I teach undergraduate

> history -

>> a part of which is gender perspectives throughout history.

>>

>> BB

>> Peter

>>

>

>

>

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Hi Colin

 

> we all make mistakes... just because they are not perfect is no reason to help bring down one of the most influential animal rights

> groups on earth...

 

I would say this depends on how their influence works - personally, I see it as a very negative influence - they seem to spend more money on stupid adverts, and running ill-researched campaigns against people who are already vegan than they do on rescuing animals. Not only that, but they perpetuate gender divisions, and objectify women. As the old saying goes "the ends don't justify the means".

 

> i am certain there are groups and individuals out there/here... with vested interests in making peta falter, including the vivisectionist

> and the meat industries... all negative associations with peta will be applauded by them...

 

I somehow doubt the loss of PETA would make that much difference. There's VIVA, IVU, IFAW, Safer Medicines Campaign, and a whole bunch of other excellent organisations out there who actually get information out, and have a real impact on people. In fact, the loss of PETA would probably be good in that the organisations left would be actually giving people useful information so they could make informed decisions, rather than giving them a spectacle so they can laugh at animal rights activists. The last article I saw on PETA had comments like "I enjoyed the show but it's not going to change me" - a statement I've never heard about any of the other organisations mentioned.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Whitty

 

What does third-wave feminism, and the groups you have mentioned do?

 

Jo

 

 

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whitty__

Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:52 AM

Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

Hi Peter, Queer theory is part of third-wave feminism (in fact, there's an organization out there called The Third Wave Foundation that works to support women and transgendered young people), but there are many more aspects that make this perspective so much more quixotic (and in a way, less focused on single issues) than earlier views of feminism. In school I was drawn more specifically to the issue of cyberfeminism and the overall issue of subjectivity. Sadie Plant, Donna Haraway, and the ever popular de Beauvoir were my favorite feminist theorists to draw from in papers. If you're interested in reading about Third-Wave Feminism, I'm happy to provide some text suggestions as well as online links. I think you're based in the UK, correct? So, it'd give you some fodder to work with your undergrads--or at least make their lives more hectic by giving them more reading assignments! I'm curious as to whether or not there's a similar UK movement or if the Generation X and younger US feminists are a sociological oddity. I figure I've bored most of the rest to tears with this post, so I'll sign off now. , Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote:>> Hi Whitty> > Merely highlighting what third wave feminism is. I'm intrigued as to how the> perpetuation of a gender divide fits into the concepts of queer theory which> inform third wave feminism.> > Incidentally, since we're sharing qualifications, I'm currently researching> for a history doctorate, and as part of that I teach undergraduate history -> a part of which is gender perspectives throughout history.> > BB> Peter>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

I saw the news article yesterday too, and the comments you mention.

 

BBJo

 

 

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Peter

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:41 AM

Re: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

 

Hi Colin

 

> we all make mistakes... just because they are not perfect is no reason to help bring down one of the most influential animal rights

> groups on earth...

 

I would say this depends on how their influence works - personally, I see it as a very negative influence - they seem to spend more money on stupid adverts, and running ill-researched campaigns against people who are already vegan than they do on rescuing animals. Not only that, but they perpetuate gender divisions, and objectify women. As the old saying goes "the ends don't justify the means".

 

> i am certain there are groups and individuals out there/here... with vested interests in making peta falter, including the vivisectionist

> and the meat industries... all negative associations with peta will be applauded by them...

 

I somehow doubt the loss of PETA would make that much difference. There's VIVA, IVU, IFAW, Safer Medicines Campaign, and a whole bunch of other excellent organisations out there who actually get information out, and have a real impact on people. In fact, the loss of PETA would probably be good in that the organisations left would be actually giving people useful information so they could make informed decisions, rather than giving them a spectacle so they can laugh at animal rights activists. The last article I saw on PETA had comments like "I enjoyed the show but it's not going to change me" - a statement I've never heard about any of the other organisations mentioned.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

is that true? they euthanise cats and dogs????? why the hell do they do that???

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

flower child <zurumato Sent: Saturday, 14 February, 2009 12:15:46 AM Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

Hi Colin, A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of cats and dogs and never again. Anouk @gro ups.com, "colin sky" <colinsky@.. .> wrote:>> hi... whitty...?.. . nice to hear your voice of reason amid the wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)> > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for those that care...

[Guest guest]

Thats just it Jo, maybe I missed something, or have thick skin ( or wool!!), but I didnt see anything?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Friday, 13 February, 2009 11:09:48 PMRe: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 I have only just read the emails (23.10 on Friday) but I don't see any reason for bad language or abusive comments. They could easily could cause offense, and are usually used to try to do so.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Friday, February 13, 2009 5:49 PM

Re: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

 

 

 

Peter,

Did I miss something?

I didnt see a rude post?

Anyone on here offended? or is this just a moderator, not being moderate? or did I miss something?

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, 13 February, 2009 2:53:14 PMRe: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

I would like to apologise to the list for not having put Blake on moderation after his previous rude e-mail. I assumed he would have had the sense to take note when a moderator told him to stop being rude. Rest assured that this has now been corrected, and no more rude e-mails from Blake will make it to the list.Blake - to clarify the one simple rule we have on this list: keep it polite. If you continue to be unnecessarily rude you will find yourself removed from the list without further warning.Peter

[Guest guest]

Yes they do have a very high euthanasia rate, they say its because

they are not a shelter and many many people contact them as a last

resort. They do adopt animals out but, its a small percentage.

 

by the way hello... Ive been lurking forever

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> is that true? they euthanise cats and dogs????? why the hell do they

do that???

>  

> Peter vv

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> flower child <zurumato

>

> Saturday, 14 February, 2009 12:15:46 AM

> Re: PETA commercial offensive

>

>

> Hi Colin,

>

> A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them

> 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of

> cats and dogs and never again.

>

> Anouk

>

> @gro ups.com, " colin sky " <colinsky@ .> wrote:

> >

> > hi... whitty...?.. . nice to hear your voice of reason amid the

> wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do

> achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)

> >

> > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for

> those that care...

>

[Guest guest]



There was a discussion about this on here last year, and yes it appears that they do euthanise dogs.

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:45 PM

Re: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

 

 

 

is that true? they euthanise cats and dogs????? why the hell do they do that???

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Saturday, 14 February, 2009 12:15:46 AM Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

Hi Colin, A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of cats and dogs and never again. Anouk @gro ups.com, "colin sky" <colinsky@.. .> wrote:>> hi... whitty...?.. . nice to hear your voice of reason amid the wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)> > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for those that care...

[Guest guest]

Great, then you understand that while third-wave feminism is

inclusive of queer theory at this point in time, this branch of

feminism did not stem from it as I think you've suggested elsewhere.

Third-wave feminism developed from a reaction or backlash to the

perceived rigidness of second-wave feminism, and has more history in

racial issues and theory in the US than queer theory.

 

I suggesting the reading texts more for your students than you,

however--I figured you had a grasp on things! I have to run to work,

but have a great rest of the day!

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab wrote:

>

> Hi Whitty

>

> As you say, the rest of the list is probably a bit bored of this by

now, so

> I will follow your lead and not continue the discussion.

>

> All I'll say is thatnk you for your offer of reading suggestions,

but as I

> teach this to undergraduates as part of Contemporary History, I

suspect I've

> read just about everything there is on the subject - not just

material by

> third wave feminists, but academic material discussing the history

of the

> movement from its roots (some of which doesn't have the inherent

bias of

> active members of the movement). I would hope I therefore have a

fairly good

> grasp of theintricacies of the subject already!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Welcome to Vegan Chat.

 

Jo

 

 

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loganswilkinson

Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:53 PM

Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

Yes they do have a very high euthanasia rate, they say its becausethey are not a shelter and many many people contact them as a lastresort. They do adopt animals out but, its a small percentage. by the way hello... Ive been lurking forever , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> is that true? they euthanise cats and dogs????? why the hell do theydo that???> Â > Peter vv> > > > > ________________________________> flower child <zurumato> > Saturday, 14 February, 2009 12:15:46 AM> Re: PETA commercial offensive> > > Hi Colin, > > A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them > 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of > cats and dogs and never again. > > Anouk > > @gro ups.com, "colin sky" <colinsky@ .> wrote:> >> > hi... whitty...?.. . nice to hear your voice of reason amid the > wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do > achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)> > > > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for > those that care...>

[Guest guest]

Hi WhittyIf I did imply that third wave feminism had grown out of queer theory, then it wasn't intentional! Merely that queer theory is a big influence on modern feminism, and is one of the roots...BB

Peter2009/2/14 whitty__ <ravenwolf18

Great, then you understand that while third-wave feminism is

inclusive of queer theory at this point in time, this branch of

feminism did not stem from it as I think you've suggested elsewhere.

Third-wave feminism developed from a reaction or backlash to the

perceived rigidness of second-wave feminism, and has more history in

racial issues and theory in the US than queer theory.

 

I suggesting the reading texts more for your students than you,

however--I figured you had a grasp on things! I have to run to work,

but have a great rest of the day!

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab wrote:

>

> Hi Whitty

>

> As you say, the rest of the list is probably a bit bored of this by

now, so

> I will follow your lead and not continue the discussion.

>

> All I'll say is thatnk you for your offer of reading suggestions,

but as I

> teach this to undergraduates as part of Contemporary History, I

suspect I've

> read just about everything there is on the subject - not just

material by

> third wave feminists, but academic material discussing the history

of the

> movement from its roots (some of which doesn't have the inherent

bias of

> active members of the movement). I would hope I therefore have a

fairly good

> grasp of theintricacies of the subject already!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

 

 

 

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After doing a bit of digging, it is not their policy, but was a single act by two now non members of PETA. So I think its a bit much to say its their policy?a few misguided workers does not make the Organization .

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

jo.heartwork <jo.heartwork Sent: Saturday, 14 February, 2009 2:23:28 PMRe: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 There was a discussion about this on here last year, and yes it appears that they do euthanise dogs.

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:45 PM

Re: Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

 

 

 

 

is that true? they euthanise cats and dogs????? why the hell do they do that???

 

Peter vv

 

 

 

 

flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009 12:15:46 AM Re: PETA commercial offensive

 

Hi Colin, A few years back I used to like PETA too. Back then I used to send them 20 dollars each month. Then I found out that they ethanize thousands of cats and dogs and never again. Anouk @gro ups.com, "colin sky" <colinsky@.. .> wrote:>> hi... whitty...?.. . nice to hear your voice of reason amid the wailing...i too support peta for even the small steps they do achieve... we are not all brilliant and pure...;-)> > here is another of their very small victories to be shredded for those that care...