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Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.

 

 

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Me neither - but if you had known Dragonforce you may have appreciated it.

 

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Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.

 

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Here's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent

vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast

forward to the guitar solos.

 

 

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originality, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

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heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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LOL - the guitar playing is technically proficient - so much so that you couldn't diss it :-) As you say, each to their own, but personally I like my music to be like music, and usually when I have heard people mention music with 'attitude' it turns out to be a lot of shouting protest. What sort of attitude do you like with your music?

 

The genres expand quite quickly, so I'm not sure - I would call them power metal, but could be wrong - a rose by any other name etc.

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originality, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

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heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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p.s - I notice your daughter has good taste in music - must be annoying for you :-))))

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originality, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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p.p.s. Is there any music with originality? I don't think it has anything to do with getting old, otherwise I would like the same music as you!

 

We're off to the Opeth/Arch Enemy gig this weekend - neither are your types, I know, but we will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

Jo

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originality, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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Hi Peter

 

> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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If I was a musician I guess I would have known that too :-) I love listening to Spanish/classical guitar music.

 

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 Hi Peter

 

> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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well, by that logic, he wasn't original in his use of strings,

either...or the guitar in the first place.

 

no one said he was the first to do this, including him. check out

steve hackett's work in genesis, for example. however, no one will

deny that evh created a huge uproar in the rock guitar world with his

unique approach to left hand style. as a twelve year old kid in

southern CA when eddie hit big, i can say that i've never experience

another guitar player that so overwhelmed me and everyone else. older

players say the same thing for hendrix, so there you go.

 

blake

 

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> I suppose the guitar playing if not

original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their

double hammer ons )

 

Actually,

Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used

for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish

music.

 

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Hi Blake

 

> well, by that logic, he wasn't original in his use of strings, either...or the guitar in the first place.

> no one said he was the first to do this, including him.

 

Actually, quite a lot of people do say just that!

 

> check out steve hackett's work in genesis, for example. however, no one will deny that evh created a huge uproar in the rock guitar world with his unique

> approach to left hand style. as a twelve year old kid in southern CA when eddie hit big, i can say that i've never experience another guitar player that so

> overwhelmed me and everyone else. older players say the same thing for hendrix, so there you go.

 

I think this has a lot to do with where you live. Van Halen became huge in America, and were fairly popular among rock fans in the UK. However, that doesn't mean that EVH was better or more imaginative than any of the other numerous guitarists doing similar things - he was just more famous. I think in most European countries (outside the UK), you'll find that the likes of Axel Rudi Pell and Yngwie Malmsteen were the "guitar heroes" of the same period. But aside from them, there's the likes of Chris Impelliterri, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani who IMHO are better and more imaginative guitarists. Not to mention the hundreds of guitarists who are known as members of groups, rather than as individuals, who tend to be better musicians as they are oriented toward group based music rather than showing off how fast they can widdle!

 

Incidentally, when I first started getting into playing rock guitar, it took me about 10 minutes to work out and play some of EVH's "most impressive" solos. Took me several weeks to master some of the Metallica guitar work!

 

:-)

 

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I agree, it is a technique used in spanish guitar, but that form of guitar and its players never had the wide appeal and hence the media coverage of rock music as did Van Halen. Thats why he probably influenced so many and introduced them to that technique.

 

 

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Blake Wilson <mbw Sent: Wednesday, 23 April, 2008 5:33:51 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 

well, by that logic, he wasn't original in his use of strings, either...or the guitar in the first place.

 

no one said he was the first to do this, including him. check out steve hackett's work in genesis, for example. however, no one will deny that evh created a huge uproar in the rock guitar world with his unique approach to left hand style. as a twelve year old kid in southern CA when eddie hit big, i can say that i've never experience another guitar player that so overwhelmed me and everyone else. older players say the same thing for hendrix, so there you go.

 

blake

 

Hi Peter

 

> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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Agreed, but Eddie brought it to the attention of a whole new generation, and audience. I am just so fed up of hearing it!

But then I am an old grump!

 

 

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 Hi Peter

 

> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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I hope you have a good time.

It has all been done to a certain extent, but I just prefer artists that sound just a little individual.

 

So whats the last album everyone listened to?

me it was Serj Tankian this morning on the way to work.You?

 

 

Peter H

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:17:26 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 p.p.s. Is there any music with originality? I don't think it has anything to do with getting old, otherwise I would like the same music as you!

 

We're off to the Opeth/Arch Enemy gig this weekend - neither are your types, I know, but we will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

Jo

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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My daughter calls my music old time music! she likes bands like "fall out boy", "Elliot Minor" and stuff I am not to fusy on..........

 

 

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jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:12:01 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 p.s - I notice your daughter has good taste in music - must be annoying for you :-))))

 

Jo

 

 

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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I find it quite fascinating reading that silly magazine, which still perpetuates the rock star cliches "sex,drugs and rock and roll"........which worries me sometimes as some of the articles use a lot of sexually graphic phrases, and I know a lotof kids buy it , makes me cringe sometimes, joys of being a parent eh?

 

Maybe attitude is wrong, maybe just a little bit of individuality/originality?

 

 

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jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:07:28 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 LOL - the guitar playing is technically proficient - so much so that you couldn't diss it :-) As you say, each to their own, but personally I like my music to be like music, and usually when I have heard people mention music with 'attitude' it turns out to be a lot of shouting protest. What sort of attitude do you like with your music?

 

The genres expand quite quickly, so I'm not sure - I would call them power metal, but could be wrong - a rose by any other name etc.

 

Jo

 

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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Peter VV Apr 23, 2008 10:42 AM Re: Re: For rock fans

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you have a good time.

It has all been done to a certain extent, but I just prefer artists that sound just a little individual.

 

So whats the last album everyone listened to?

me it was Serj Tankian this morning on the way to work.You?

 

 

Peter H

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:17:26 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 p.p.s. Is there any music with originality? I don't think it has anything to do with getting old, otherwise I would like the same music as you!

 

We're off to the Opeth/Arch Enemy gig this weekend - neither are your types, I know, but we will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

Jo

 

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Peter VV

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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well, yngwie and those guys came later than EVH. he matured

and popularized that style in the late 70s before any of them we on

the scene. in fact, i highly doubt that vai, satch, or yngwie were, as

you say, " doing similar things " when Van Halen I was

released in early 1978.

 

just like elvis didn't " invent " rock and rock, and he's

surely not the sine qua non for rock music as a whole, he's still

" the king " , much like eddie's status in that sort of rock

guitar style.

 

i love eddie and saw the recent david lee roth tour up in LA.

great fun. but right now my fav rock guys are steve howe, hackett, and

fripp. see a pattern?

 

blake

 

 

I think this

has a lot to do with where you live. Van Halen became huge in America,

and were fairly popular among rock fans in the UK. However, that

doesn't mean that EVH was better or more imaginative than any of the

other numerous guitarists doing similar things - he was just more

famous. I think in most European countries (outside the UK), you'll

find that the likes of Axel Rudi Pell and Yngwie Malmsteen were the

" guitar heroes " of the same period. But aside from them,

there's the likes of Chris Impelliterri, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani

who IMHO are better and more imaginative guitarists. Not to mention

the hundreds of guitarists who are known as members of groups, rather

than as individuals, who tend to be better musicians as they are

oriented toward group based music rather than showing off how fast

they can widdle!

 

Incidentally, when I first started getting into playing rock

guitar, it took me about 10 minutes to work out and play some of EVH's

" most impressive " solos. Took me several weeks to master

some of the Metallica guitar work!

 

:-)

 

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Peter

 

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I hope you have a good time.

It has all been done to a certain extent, but I just prefer artists that sound just a little individual.

 

So whats the last album everyone listened to?

me it was Serj Tankian this morning on the way to work.You?

 

 

Peter H

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork > Sent: Tuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:17:26 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 p.p.s. Is there any music with originality? I don't think it has anything to do with getting old, otherwise I would like the same music as you!

 

We're off to the Opeth/Arch Enemy gig this weekend - neither are your types, I know, but we will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

Jo

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

 

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heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

 

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellent vocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fast forward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1s Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute of the brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.> > > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

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Dragonforce sound nothing like Van Halen ?

 

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:39 PM

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Agreed, but Eddie brought it to the attention of a whole new generation, and audience. I am just so fed up of hearing it!

But then I am an old grump!

 

 

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> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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I do see a pattern. Do you not like any younger, more modern guitarists/musicians?

 

I am not a musician so cannot comment too much on technicalities, but ..... I don't find Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing very interesting. Clever or not, he doesn't hold my attention. I can't even remember most of his tracks. The only one that springs to mind is Jump - so going back to the origins of the discussion - no comparison to Dragonforce, and sounds nothing like them.

 

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:06 PM

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well, yngwie and those guys came later than EVH. he matured and popularized that style in the late 70s before any of them we on the scene. in fact, i highly doubt that vai, satch, or yngwie were, as you say, "doing similar things" when Van Halen I was released in early 1978.

 

just like elvis didn't "invent" rock and rock, and he's surely not the sine qua non for rock music as a whole, he's still "the king", much like eddie's status in that sort of rock guitar style.

 

i love eddie and saw the recent david lee roth tour up in LA. great fun. but right now my fav rock guys are steve howe, hackett, and fripp. see a pattern?

 

blake

 

 

I think this has a lot to do with where you live. Van Halen became huge in America, and were fairly popular among rock fans in the UK. However, that doesn't mean that EVH was better or more imaginative than any of the other numerous guitarists doing similar things - he was just more famous. I think in most European countries (outside the UK), you'll find that the likes of Axel Rudi Pell and Yngwie Malmsteen were the "guitar heroes" of the same period. But aside from them, there's the likes of Chris Impelliterri, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani who IMHO are better and more imaginative guitarists. Not to mention the hundreds of guitarists who are known as members of groups, rather than as individuals, who tend to be better musicians as they are oriented toward group based music rather than showing off how fast they can widdle!

 

Incidentally, when I first started getting into playing rock guitar, it took me about 10 minutes to work out and play some of EVH's "most impressive" solos. Took me several weeks to master some of the Metallica guitar work!

 

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I do see a

pattern. Do you not like any younger, more modern

guitarists/musicians?

 

 

sure. i like petrucci, i like the guy in opeth, i like the

guitars in lamb of god...but as a player, they don't influence me at

all. that's where jazz players, 70s prog dudes, zappa, etc., come

in.

 

I am not a

musician so cannot comment too much on technicalities, but ..... I

don't find Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing very interesting.

Clever or not, he doesn't hold my attention. I can't even

remember most of his tracks. The only one that springs to mind

is Jump - so going back to the origins of the discussion - no

comparison to Dragonforce, and sounds nothing like

them.

 

Jo

 

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Blake

Wilson

 

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:06

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fans

 

well, yngwie and those guys came later than EVH. he

matured and popularized that style in the late 70s before any of them

we on the scene. in fact, i highly doubt that vai, satch, or yngwie

were, as you say, " doing similar things " when Van Halen I

was released in early 1978.

 

just like elvis didn't " invent " rock and rock,

and he's surely not the sine qua non for rock music as a whole, he's

still " the king " , much like eddie's status in that sort of

rock guitar style.

 

i love eddie and saw the recent david lee roth tour up in

LA. great fun. but right now my fav rock guys are steve howe, hackett,

and fripp. see a pattern?

 

blake

 

 

 

 

 

I think this has a lot to do

with where you live. Van Halen became huge in America, and were fairly

popular among rock fans in the UK. However, that doesn't mean that EVH

was better or more imaginative than any of the other numerous

guitarists doing similar things - he was just more famous. I think in

most European countries (outside the UK), you'll find that the likes

of Axel Rudi Pell and Yngwie Malmsteen were the " guitar heroes "

of the same period. But aside from them, there's the likes of Chris

Impelliterri, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani who IMHO are better and more

imaginative guitarists. Not to mention the hundreds of guitarists who

are known as members of groups, rather than as individuals, who tend

to be better musicians as they are oriented toward group based music

rather than showing off how fast they can widdle!

 

 

 

Incidentally, when I first

started getting into playing rock guitar, it took me about 10 minutes

to work out and play some of EVH's " most impressive " solos.

Took me several weeks to master some of the Metallica guitar

work!

 

 

 

:-)

 

 

 

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Peter

 

 

 

 

 

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Nah, never played lap. would love to have a go though. I do play bottlekneck now and again.

 

 

Seem to have hijacked the vegan chat dont I , sorry.........

Peter H

 

 

Blake Wilson <mbw Sent: Wednesday, 23 April, 2008 8:17:20 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 

just listened to jerry byrd's "master of the steel guitar vol 1":

 

http://www.amazon. com/Master- Steel-Guitar- Vol-1/dp/ B000B9E2G8/ ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie= UTF8 & s=music & qid=1208977988 & sr=8-2

 

i'm in a big lap steel phase right now. i've got a 1952 fender 8 string double neck, a late 50s gibson br-6 (just like this guy: http://umanovguitar s.com/store/ details.asp? prodid=3274 & cat=660 & path=600,660) and a new weird chinese knockaround. ever play a lap?

 

b.

 

I hope you have a good time.

It has all been done to a certain extent, but I just prefer artists that sound just a little individual.

 

So whats the last album everyone listened to?

me it was Serj Tankian this morning on the way to work.You?

 

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jo <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 11:17:26 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

p.p.s. Is there any music with originality? I don't think it has anything to do with getting old, otherwise I would like the same music as you!

 

We're off to the Opeth/Arch Enemy gig this weekend - neither are your types, I know, but we will thoroughly enjoy it.

 

Jo

 

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:34 PM

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I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons ) is technically proficient, but it just leaves me cold - speed for the sake of it/how fast can you solo has never been my thang. But the song didnt do much for me either, sorry each to their own I suppose, I prefr something with a bit more attitude/originalit y, or maybe I`m just getting old!

What label do they give this type of cock rock? I ask because I have been reading my daughters kerrang magazine , and am amazed by how many types of metal get a genre now.Everything from Dark Metal to Post Industrial metal, jeesh I remember when everything was heavy metal, and all this was trees, and a loaf of Hovis was delivered by a boy on a bike!

 

Peter H

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 April, 2008 7:29:59 AM Re: For rock fans

Hi PeterHere's a link for Dragonforce. If you don't like the excellentvocals, then either marvel at the length of Herman Li's hair, or fastforward to the guitar solos.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0jgrCKhxE1sJo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> Dont know dragonforce, so only managed to take about a minute ofthe brass band. Not a fan of brass bands.>>> Peter H>>>>> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, 21 April, 2008 7:57:30 AM> For rock fans>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nSNaN0N_ Crs>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Sent from Mail.> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs. / nowyoucan. html>

 

 

 

 

 

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Agreed, but the solos use the same techniques that hark back to Eddies with a bit of Schenker thrown in.

 

 

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jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Wednesday, 23 April, 2008 8:17:12 PMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

 Dragonforce sound nothing like Van Halen ?

 

Jo

 

 

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Peter VV

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:39 PM

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Agreed, but Eddie brought it to the attention of a whole new generation, and audience. I am just so fed up of hearing it!

But then I am an old grump!

 

 

Peter H

 

 

Peter <metalscarab@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 April, 2008 7:55:11 AMRe: Re: For rock fans

 

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> I suppose the guitar playing if not original ( Eddie Van Halen spawned a million imitators with their double hammer ons )

 

Actually, Eddie wasn't original with his double hammer ons - they've been used for centuries (possibly millennia) in Spanish music.

 

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