OT: Raw pets/Vitamix to grind raw bones

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone--

 

I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small

chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND

BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but

I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but

would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if

anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you

tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger

than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called

the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid

reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer

against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I

tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many

people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried

this several times in different ways, with different items, with my

dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of

trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if

we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal

with that stress and risk.

 

I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion

groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know

anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me

know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com

(replace AT with @).

 

Thanks very much!

 

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

 

My butcher will grind, to any consistancy I ask, all my raw meats (with bones

and livers) for my cats and there is no charge for this. He also can get meats I

cannot find locally (rabbit) and makes sure that they are all hormone and

anitbiotic free.

 

ini

 

 

las_lala <laurie

rawfood

Monday, September 25, 2006 10:13:32 PM

[Raw Food] OT: Raw pets/Vitamix to grind raw bones

 

Hi everyone--

 

I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small

chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND

BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but

I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but

would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if

anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you

tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger

than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called

the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid

reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer

against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I

tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many

people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried

this several times in different ways, with different items, with my

dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of

trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if

we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal

with that stress and risk.

 

I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion

groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know

anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me

know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneypho to.com

(replace AT with @).

 

Thanks very much!

 

Laurie

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

 

We have fed raw to our dog for several years. Try to find a breed-specific

" bones and raw food " or natural feeding list. Some natural lists are not

friendly to grinders but I have seen good conversations on others that are

friendly on which grinders will handle which types of bones. Some dogs will

need ground due to age or health problems, and some owners need to grind for

their own comfort level. I've never seen vitamix mentioned.

 

I assume you know never to feed cooked bone which goes brittle aside from

destroying the nutrition! I have seen talk on training a dog or pup gradually

to not gulp, by holding the piece in your hand - say, a chicken wing for a

smaller dog or a large turkey neck for a larger dog - and letting the dog tug

at it piece by piece. Removing perceived competition can solve some dogs'

gulping. Feeding larger pieces that are breed appropriate so that the dog can't

just gulp them down and has to do the natural tugging and pulling is also very

important.

 

I probably have some emails in my archives about grinders. I see mention of

grinderguy.com ... wait, one does mention VitaMix in passing so the info must

be out there on the net. I suggest you search the archives of some of the

rawfeeding lists and perhaps you'll find plenty of posts on grinders. You might

also search on " gulp " for ideas on training for a better eating technique?

 

HTH, Susan

[Guest guest]

Ok...um...ew! I honestly thought this was a prank post at first. I know its

for the dog and all but but considering this is specifically a raw vegan site

-lol- if you must post a question like this here of all places, would you mind

leaving the meat and bonecrushing details out as much as possible? Thank you!

 

las_lala <laurie wrote:

Hi everyone--

 

I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small

chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND

BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but

I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but

would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if

anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you

tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger

than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called

the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid

reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer

against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I

tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many

people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried

this several times in different ways, with different items, with my

dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of

trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if

we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal

with that stress and risk.

 

I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion

groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know

anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me

know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com

(replace AT with @).

 

Thanks very much!

 

Laurie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

http://www.omaspride.com/

 

Hi Laurie:

 

I feed my cat a primarily raw diet. I purchase the above product. My cat has a

preference

for the beef and turkery varieties. She will not eat chicken. It is a complete

diet with

meats, bones and organs included and you don't have to deal with grinding it

yourself.

Since I am vegetarian transition to vegan/raw, I really hate to handle the meat

so this is

easier for me to deal with.

 

Hope this helps or gives yo usome ideas.

 

Later.

 

Kimberlie

 

rawfood , " las_lala " <laurie wrote:

>

> Hi everyone--

>

> I'm trying to find a solution to grind (or at least chop into small

> chunks) raw chicken and/or turkey skeletons/breast frames (meat AND

> BONE) for my dog. I found a meat and bone grinder for $360-400, but

> I also read that someone uses their Vitamix. I don't have one, but

> would much rather buy that, so I can use it too! Wondering if

> anyone else has experience with this. If so, which meats have you

> tried and how does it work? I know turkey bones are much bigger

> than chicken, so I wonder if either or both can be done. I called

> the company and got a vague answer and am hoping for a more solid

> reply by email. I tried hitting chicken frames with a hammer

> against a brick, whacking with a knife, and--believe it or not, I

> tried running over them with my car! No luck so far! I know many

> people feed their dogs whole animals or large parts and I have tried

> this several times in different ways, with different items, with my

> dog, but every time, he gulps a really large chunk, has a lot of

> trouble getting it down, and for a few seconds, I'm wondering if

> we'll be going to the emergency vet clinic. I'm not willing to deal

> with that stress and risk.

>

> I am in the process of joining a couple raw pet feeding discussion

> groups, but would like to hear any and all thoughts. If you know

> anyone else who might be able to help me, please let me

> know or forward this to them. My email is laurieATmckinneyphoto.com

> (replace AT with @).

>

> Thanks very much!

>

> Laurie

>

[Guest guest]

Unless you have a special needs dog (no/few teeth, etc.) there is no

need to grind.

 

Kristi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Shari. I thought those wouldn't do bones. It has been

difficult to even find an electric one that isn't industrial that

can handle bones. But I'll see if there's something I don't know--

that would be great if that worked.

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , " SV " <shavig wrote:

>

> What about one of those old types that my grams and mom used to

use to make hamburger? It's the type that attaches with a screw to

the countertop or breadboard and you just turn the arm while feeding

the meat down from the top. They were always silver with a wooden

part on the handle. Meat grinders is what they called them!

>

> Mom used to grind bologna and dill pickles to mix with mayo and

make sandwich spread. You can find these machines in most any

second hand store. They are manual, ohmygosh, you would have to do

the turning of the handle yourself, but they work.

>

> Shari

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the tips and links, Shari, ini, Kimberlie, Kristi,

and Susan. Very helpful. And sorry to gross you out, Murratu!

 

Laurie

[Guest guest]

This was on the rawfeeding list several years ago (2003) so I don't know if the

group is still there:

 

> Please take any more discussions about grinding and/or grinders over to

> the rawgrind list.

>

> RawGrind

>

> rawgrind-

>

> Gerry Brierley-moderator team

 

If not, ask the owners there for a list.

HTH, Susan

[Guest guest]

Well, now that you mention it, I do not know if it will do bones. Probably

chicken and turkey bones, but I'm not too sure about larger beef bones.

 

I have a Welsh Corgi who has been raw since 7 weeks old when we got him. I feed

him Raw Advantage http://www.rawadvantagepetfood.com/ plus he gets a raw

chicken neck every morning, whole.

 

Shari

 

 

[Guest guest]

I buy the Raw Advantage turkey for my cat plus several other products

and flavors from Only Natural Pets in Denver. http://snipurl.com/xe5z

I've had very good experience with their raw pet food. My cat HATES

the chicken, though, and would gladly starve before she'd eat it. And

I won't eat it for her. :-)

 

Tommie

http://reallyrawfood.com

 

rawfood , " SV " <shavig wrote:

>

> Well, now that you mention it, I do not know if it will do bones.

Probably chicken and turkey bones, but I'm not too sure about larger

beef bones.

>

> I have a Welsh Corgi who has been raw since 7 weeks old when we got

him. I feed him Raw Advantage http://www.rawadvantagepetfood.com/

plus he gets a raw chicken neck every morning, whole.

>

> Shari

>

>

[Guest guest]

A lot of people with cats use chicken " frames " .

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tommie!

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote:

>

> I buy the Raw Advantage turkey for my cat plus several other

products

> and flavors from Only Natural Pets in Denver.

http://snipurl.com/xe5z

> I've had very good experience with their raw pet food. My cat HATES

> the chicken, though, and would gladly starve before she'd eat it.

And

> I won't eat it for her. :-)

>

> Tommie

> http://reallyrawfood.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Susan.

 

Laurie

 

rawfood , Susan M <slmccain wrote:

>

> A lot of people with cats use chicken " frames " .

>