Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Tone, Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might think you are trying to starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would start eating some fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the weight to come off more quickly. ~Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Wendy, I know that many people think this is true (greens will cause you to lose weight) since many of the early promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large amounts of greens). however, my experience has been that this is not necessarily true. The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs. Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal. They contain specific nutrients that have specific action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because they reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for the purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in dark, leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us who do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts. Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one of two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture easily. It is this second group is negatively impacted by eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If this group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be iceberg lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to focus on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually stimulate the production of stomach acid and promotes metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin, lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as others around them. They can have low blood pressure. In fact, the individuals in this group are often constipated simply because they do not have enough moisture to eliminate easily. The reason I tended to counsel my clients to transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the SAD) is that the individuals in this group need to be identified. they need steamed veggies and vegi-fruits for a period of time before transitioning to an all raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as well as which ones will meet their nutritional needs. I learned from experience (working with a variety of clients) that individuals who are extremely active by nature are able to make such a transition more easily than those of us who are not as physically active by nature. By physically active I mean someone who hates sitting because it is boring. It is this group (very active by nature) that is most prone to high blood pressure. They are the 'type A's'. mary --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote: > Tone, > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might > think you are trying to > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would > start eating some > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the > weight to come off more > quickly. > ~Wendy > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Mary, I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem with constipation and perspiration along with low blood pressure. If I truely want to lose weight, what can I do to help? Thanks! Please advise, Yummy --- mary <marymassung wrote: > Wendy, > > I know that many people think this is true (greens > will cause you to lose weight) since many of the > early > promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large > amounts of greens). however, my experience has been > that this is not necessarily true. > > The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs. > Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal. > They contain specific nutrients that have specific > action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually > cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because > they > reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow > metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for > the > purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in > dark, > leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us > who > do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts. > > Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one > of > two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger > a > higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve > this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture > easily. > It is this second group is negatively impacted by > eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If > this > group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be > iceberg > lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to > focus > on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually > stimulate > the production of stomach acid and promotes > metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding > moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt > (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin, > lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as > others around them. They can have low blood > pressure. > In fact, the individuals in this group are often > constipated simply because they do not have enough > moisture to eliminate easily. > > The reason I tended to counsel my clients to > transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the > SAD) > is that the individuals in this group need to be > identified. they need steamed veggies and > vegi-fruits > for a period of time before transitioning to an all > raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods > they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as > well as which ones will meet their nutritional > needs. > I learned from experience (working with a variety > of > clients) that individuals who are extremely active > by > nature are able to make such a transition more > easily > than those of us who are not as physically active by > nature. By physically active I mean someone who > hates > sitting because it is boring. It is this group > (very > active by nature) that is most prone to high blood > pressure. They are the 'type A's'. > > mary > --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote: > > Tone, > > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body > might > > think you are trying to > > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I > would > > start eating some > > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the > > weight to come off more > > quickly. > > ~Wendy > > > > > ===== > > Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade > > A smile is a silent 'hello'. > > owner of > > 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' > > 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' > > 'Yoga for Therapy'. > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Wow Mary, I can't believe how well you described me! So what specific type of foods do you recommend for people trying to go raw, but do not apparently retain moisture? I've been raw for about 2 months now and have had trouble with constipation. I am constantly craving salt as well. I eat a lot of spinach and green leaves. If these aren't good for me, what should I focus on? Thanks, Ariana mary [marymassung] Saturday, May 01, 2004 2:21 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Wendy, I know that many people think this is true (greens will cause you to lose weight) since many of the early promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large amounts of greens). however, my experience has been that this is not necessarily true. The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs. Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal. They contain specific nutrients that have specific action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because they reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for the purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in dark, leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us who do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts. Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one of two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture easily. It is this second group is negatively impacted by eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If this group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be iceberg lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to focus on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually stimulate the production of stomach acid and promotes metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin, lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as others around them. They can have low blood pressure. In fact, the individuals in this group are often constipated simply because they do not have enough moisture to eliminate easily. The reason I tended to counsel my clients to transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the SAD) is that the individuals in this group need to be identified. they need steamed veggies and vegi-fruits for a period of time before transitioning to an all raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as well as which ones will meet their nutritional needs. I learned from experience (working with a variety of clients) that individuals who are extremely active by nature are able to make such a transition more easily than those of us who are not as physically active by nature. By physically active I mean someone who hates sitting because it is boring. It is this group (very active by nature) that is most prone to high blood pressure. They are the 'type A's'. mary --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote: > Tone, > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might > think you are trying to > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would > start eating some > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the > weight to come off more > quickly. > ~Wendy > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Yummy: Although I do not endorse Ayurveda in its entirety, I do believe that there is truth contained in any dietary system that 'works'. However, as of this time, we do not know of any ONE dietary system that GUARANTEES longevity and death from TOTALLY natural causes to ALL who follow it. It is each individual's personal responsibility to search out the truth in each 'working' dietary system and then apply those portions of truth that fit his/her personal situation. Having said that, Ayurveda teaches that all NATURAL (plant)foods predominate in one of the tastes: spicey, astringent, bitter, sour, salty, and sweet. The specific taste is determined by the nutrients in that plant. Each 'taste' has a direct consequence in the body (nutritional/medicinal). For example, most dark leafy greens have a 'bitter' quality. The 'bitter' taste causes the body to reduce secretions, including digestive secretions. On the other hand, the 'sour' taste stimulates the production of all secretions, including digestive secretions. The 'Astringent' taste causes secretions (that have occurred) to dry up (make your mouth feel like it is stuffed with cotton). The 'spicey' taste removes/dries up excess moisture in the body. The 'sweet' taste moisturizes and soothes the tissues of the body while reducing body heat. The 'salty' taste causes the body to assimilate and hold moisture. To have a totally balanced diet, you must take into consideration your geographic location (very moist-tropics, very dry-desert, high altitude-very high, low sunlight-poles, etc). You must also take into account the season of the year (very cold, very hot, cool, foggy, rainy, etc). Then you must take into consideration the peculiar nutrients needs of your body. That is, what nutrients are you most likely to be deficient in. (These are the nutrients you need to focus on when eating.) Finally, you must observe your body's natural metabolism. The idea is to think of the body as a fire. A fire needs appropriate fuel, adequate oxygen, some moisture (so it doesn't burn too fast but not so much that it dies out), and something to start the fire. Metabolism is very important. You cannot change your natural metabolism. However, you can eat according to that metabolism. The more physically active you are (without thought), the higher your metabolism will be. The metabolism of some individuals is that of a blow torch. If their fuel is kindling, they will dry themselves out very quickly. Others, who are more mentally active with minimal physical activity, have a lower metabolism. Putting a match (slow metabolism) to a log (big/heavy meal) would be totally ineffective...even if that meal is all raw! Some individuals naturally hold water. They must remove excess water or their metabolism can never get going! Finally, some individuals hold almost no water! Everything they eat is quickly burned and then, without moisture, the tissues dry up...causing constipation and other problems. Does this mean I adhere to the Pitta, Kapha, Vata of Ayurveda? NO. While I believe that labels such as these might help a professional making a 'diagnosis', I feel they are counterproductive for the rest of us. We have to go by what we are observing in our bodies on a daily basis as well as what we know of our entire past life. I believe, from my personal experience and those of my former clients, that it doesn't matter if I increase my physical activity to hours per day if I have to conciously think about it. The fact that I do have to think about being physically active will always make me a more mental than physical person. Even if I think I am drinking water all day long, I will never drink as much as the person that loves to drink liquids. When we, or someone else, gives us a label, we try to conform to the label. If I simply observe my body's reaction to the food I eat, over a period of time, I will learn what I need to eat to optimize my health and energy. You will learn that the plant foods you MOST LIKE to eat are not the ones you need the most! If you dislike celery...you probably need it! I may or may not weigh what I would like to weigh. I may or may not ever be a 100% raw fooder. I may or may not ever be a vegetarian/vegan. All of these are 'labels'. The goal is to have enough health and energy to do all the things I want to be able to do. Some people want to climb Mt. Everest. I only want to be able to comfortably breathe, hold my grandchildren, do yoga & tai chi, and share my knowledge with others! The person who wants to climb Mt Everest would never be happy with my life and I would not be happy with his! Even if I did not have lung disease, I would not want his life! Some people really want to live 'forever'. I used to think that way (when I was in my 30's). I don't anymore...not because I am sick but because all my family and friends would not be there to share it with me. Yes, I would have new friends...but not ones who really knew ALL of me as my current friends know me. I used to want to convert my family, spouse, and friends to my diet. I don't anymore. Why? They are happy as is. If I want them to accept me as I am, I have to be willing to accept them as they are. Should my spouse die before me, I do not want to have my memories of him being those of his refusing to do things my way. I want to remember what we shared..not what separated us. Nor, if I die first, do I want him grateful I am no longer trying to control how he eats! You ask how to lose weight. First figure out whether you are a more sendentary or physical person. If you are more sendentary (low metabolism), determine what kind of diet makes you want to be more physically active and eat it! If you are too active (producing too many acid secretions that can dry you out), determine what kind of foods calm you and eat them. If you drink very little fluid (when not focused on it), add more natural salt to your diet. It will make you thirsty! If you are continuously drinking fluids, what kind are you drinking? If sugary, they will dehydrate you. If caffeinated, they will over-stimulate you. A person can be overweight because they don't eat enough fuel (if you are very physically active), because you eat too much (if you very sendentary), because you drink too much water (need some drying out), or because you drink too little! As you can see, there is no 'one shoe fits all'. I cannot tell someone how to lose weight. I can explain principles and warn you not to get caught up in doing what 'everyone else is doing' without evaluating your own personal needs. The diet that is healthy for my husband IS NOT the diet that is healthy for me! He can eat large amounts of spicey, bitter, and astingent foods all day long and just get healthier. I would get sick on this diet. On the other hand, I need salty, sweet, and sour foods. These would make him sick. He could eat all his food raw cold turkey and have only minimal problems. I would get very sick. I need to steam fibrous plants and I have a very slow metabolism. If my husband ate fruit all day long, he would get fat...even if it were raw. If I eat salads all day long, I would get fat since I cannot effectively metabolize that much fiber! I am extremely mental with only minimal natural desire for physical activity although I do 1-2 hours daily of yoga and tai chi! He is much more physical, naturally, than mental. I have low blood pressure. His is high. I can eat cold smoked salmon, he cannot. In general, if you pick your nutrients from foods that are whole foods (cooked or raw) and consume them in the state closest to natural (that your body can handle)and choose them according to your nutrient needs, you will achieve the perfect weight and the highest level you are capable of attaining with your body. It is a detective game...and you are the detective! I just gave suggestions as to how to do the detective work. mary --- Yummy Wong <yummy258 wrote: > Mary, > > I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, > problem > with constipation and perspiration along with low > blood pressure. If I truely want to lose weight, > what > can I do to help? Thanks! > > Please advise, > Yummy > --- mary <marymassung wrote: > > Wendy, > > > > I know that many people think this is true (greens > > will cause you to lose weight) since many of the > > early > > promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large > > amounts of greens). however, my experience has > been > > that this is not necessarily true. > > > > The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are > herbs. > > Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal. > > > They contain specific nutrients that have specific > > action on the body. The dark leafy greens > actually > > cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because > > they > > reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow > > metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for > > the > > purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in > > dark, > > leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us > > who > > do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts. > > > > Some people simply have a slower metabolism for > one > > of > > two reasons. They are not active enough to > trigger > > a > > higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve > > this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture > > easily. > > It is this second group is negatively impacted by > > eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If > > this > > group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be > > iceberg > > lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to > > focus > > on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually > > stimulate > > the production of stomach acid and promotes > > metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding > > moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt > > (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin, > > lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much > as > > others around them. They can have low blood > > pressure. > > In fact, the individuals in this group are often > > constipated simply because they do not have enough > > moisture to eliminate easily. > > > > The reason I tended to counsel my clients to > > transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the > > SAD) > > is that the individuals in this group need to be > > identified. they need steamed veggies and > > vegi-fruits > > for a period of time before transitioning to an > all > > raw diet. These individuals must learn which > foods > > they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as > > well as which ones will meet their nutritional > > needs. > > I learned from experience (working with a variety > > of > > clients) that individuals who are extremely active > > by > > nature are able to make such a transition more > > easily > > than those of us who are not as physically active > by > > nature. By physically active I mean someone who > > hates > > sitting because it is boring. It is this group > > (very > > active by nature) that is most prone to high blood > > pressure. They are the 'type A's'. > > > > mary > > --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote: > > > Tone, > > > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body > > might > > > think you are trying to > > > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I > > would > > > start eating some > > > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the > > > weight to come off more > > > quickly. > > > ~Wendy > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade > > > > A smile is a silent 'hello'. > > > > owner of > > > > 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' > > > > 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' > > > > 'Yoga for Therapy'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Peter, Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the raw butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that was being referenced. Do you have anything to add with eating greens and gaining weight? I always appreciate your feedback on everything. I still wish that I could find a fruit other then a banana that I could even think of eating. No such thing as young coconuts around here just old expensive brown ones Not very tasty anyway. Thanks again Have a great day Hugs, Toni - Peter Gardiner rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Hi Peter~ Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I am curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She not only thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for optimum health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of cocnut oil and day and like that. thanks Angela Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Tone, raw butter is the one made from unpasturized cream. In NA its legal to sell in California. Raw butter contains building blocks of the body ( for better results can be mixed with raw honey). Try to find a local guy with a cow to get it from. Alex > > >Hello Alex, > > May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly >do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and >gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond >butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a >butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its >SAD counterpart. > >Have a beutiful day >Hugs, >Tone > - > alex > rawfood > Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM > Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > Eat raw butter, a lot of it. > Alex > > Yummy Wong wrote: > > >Mary, > > > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem > >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Try to find a local guy with a cow to get it from. Alex Alex, LOL Hon I am lucky to find a crummy HFS, nevermind a cow. You did make my day though Thanks so much Hugs, Tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Drink at least 10 glasses of water... look into the book Your Body's Many Cries for Water. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Ariana, One of the reasons why I did not know if I would be accepted in this group..or any similar group is because I do not advocate going raw 'cold turkey'. I believe that, unless a person is terminally ill with only a short time to live (in which case, drastic action is needed), it is better to transition when making extreme dietary changes. Going from a SAD to an all raw diet is extreme...from the body's perspective. You want me to make suggestions for you. The first would be to 'back up a few steps'...not all the way. Before going 100% raw, you need to become accustomed to a VERY WIDE variety of raw herbs and fruits. In this way, you will learn a variety of ways to prepare raw food and increase your nutrient consumption. In the beginning, it is better to steam the herbs (leaves, stems, and flowers) until the intestinal tract can handle the fiber of a 100% raw diet. Since we are more familiar with eating cooked veggies than raw veggies, going back a few steps will allow you time to learn how to eat a much wider selection of foods. If you say you are going to go 100% raw 'cold turkey', you have to eliminate frying, steaming, baking, and other means of getting nutrients before you have learned to eat a a large variety of raw foods in a wide variety of ways that your body can accept and from which it can benefit. It would be better, IMHO, to eat one cooked meal a day and all other meals raw while you are experimenting with a wide variety of new veggies and fruits. I have found that many who make this transition can only think in terms of a salad. Eating only a small variety of salads days in and day out will eventually create deficiencies. You say you are craving salt. Eat a quality salt, in small amounts, until you have developed a love affair with celery...a salty herb as well as strawberries and watermellon. Organic celery is definitely preferrable to non-organic if you can get it. This is one herb where you can really taste the difference. If you get used to non-organic celery and then try the organic, you will have to get used to it all over again! YOu say you do not retain fluids well. I discussed this with my brother, an MD, several year ago. He pointed out to me that there was a reason why IVs are a glucose drip. The body does not easily assimilate plain water. Fruitarians need very little water as the naturally hydrated fruit is easily assimilated by the body. Therefore, I personally make a 1/2 gallon of organic grape juice (from a concentrate) by adding more water than called for. Then I dilute this even as I drink it. I am getting glucose water. My body will actually crave this liquid where it won't crave water. Grapes are particularly beneficial for those who are prone to dryness either from dehydration or overly acidic bodies (too many acid secretions). You say you are constipated. You have two choices. Either start eating steamed veggies to help break down the fiber and then eat lots of these veggies with a smaller amount of raw food until you bowels are more normal....or start doing a complete enema every night until you can do an enema at night and then have a normal stool in the morning. I know neither of these are what you want to hear. The problem is that your brain has determined you want to be 100% raw before you have prepared your body for this transition. You must either prepare your body, gradually, or assist it in its elimination needs if you don't. If you are having an increase in intestinal gas, it is because your diet is fermenting the fecal matter that has hardened on the intestinal walls. This fermented fecal matter is of the consistency of a very thick sludge! Go slow on fruit until your stools are more normal. mary --- " Lopez, Ariana " <alopez wrote: > Wow Mary, > I can't believe how well you described me! So what > specific type of foods do you recommend for people > trying to go raw, but do not apparently retain > moisture? I've been raw for about 2 months now and > have had trouble with constipation. I am constantly > craving salt as well. I eat a lot of spinach and > green leaves. If these aren't good for me, what > should I focus on? > Thanks, > Ariana > > > mary [marymassung] > Saturday, May 01, 2004 2:21 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining > weight > > > Wendy, > > I know that many people think this is true (greens > will cause you to lose weight) since many of the > early > promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large > amounts of greens). however, my experience has been > that this is not necessarily true. > > The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs. > Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal. > They contain specific nutrients that have specific > action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually > cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because > they > reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow > metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for > the > purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in > dark, > leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us > who > do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts. > > Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one > of > two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a > higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve > this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture > easily. > It is this second group is negatively impacted by > eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If > this > group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be > iceberg > lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to > focus > on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually > stimulate > the production of stomach acid and promotes > metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding > moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt > (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin, > lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as > others around them. They can have low blood > pressure. > In fact, the individuals in this group are often > constipated simply because they do not have enough > moisture to eliminate easily. > > The reason I tended to counsel my clients to > transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the > SAD) > is that the individuals in this group need to be > identified. they need steamed veggies and > vegi-fruits > for a period of time before transitioning to an all > raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods > they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as > well as which ones will meet their nutritional > needs. > I learned from experience (working with a variety > of > clients) that individuals who are extremely active > by > nature are able to make such a transition more > easily > than those of us who are not as physically active by > nature. By physically active I mean someone who > hates > sitting because it is boring. It is this group > (very > active by nature) that is most prone to high blood > pressure. They are the 'type A's'. > > mary > --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote: > > Tone, > > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body > might > > think you are trying to > > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I > would > > start eating some > > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the > > weight to come off more > > quickly. > > ~Wendy > > > > > ===== > > Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade > > A smile is a silent 'hello'. > > owner of > > 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' > > 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' > > 'Yoga for Therapy'. > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 This was'nt sent to me BUT,THANK YOU MARY!!!! gonna take a few steps back and do some mental research, this was a message I needed to hear.Thank you so much,,,,,,,,,, shirley - mary RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Ariana, One of the reasons why I did not know if I would be accepted in this group..or any similar group is because I do not advocate going raw 'cold turkey'. I believe that, unless a person is terminally ill with only a short time to live (in which case, drastic action is needed), it is better to transition when making extreme dietary changes. > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Thanks Toni, It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight. My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example. I eat a lot of fruit and could not get the energy I need on just green leaves. Large quantities of bananas could produce insulin and fat. Almond milk or almond butter is a far more likely candidate if you actually eat it. I certainly would not. Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 20:03 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hi Peter, Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the raw butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that was being referenced. Do you have anything to add with eating greens and gaining weight? I always appreciate your feedback on everything. I still wish that I could find a fruit other then a banana that I could even think of eating. No such thing as young coconuts around here just old expensive brown ones Not very tasty anyway. Thanks again Have a great day Hugs, Toni - Peter Gardiner rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Angela, Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter hail? Peter Angela LaMonte [amadera656] 03 May 2004 20:11 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hi Peter~ Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I am curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She not only thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for optimum health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of cocnut oil and day and like that. thanks Angela Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Peter, Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when I tried the nut milk last week which I did not sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the only time with those. Never tried dates or any kind of nut butters either. Bananas happen to be the only fruit I like and have them once in a while when I get the yen for them. Basically it has just been salad with a tinge of olive oil and some fresh squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there is only so many greens I can eat before they go bad. Any suggestions on how I can get myself to liking fruit? I truly want this healthy lifestyle but am getting discouraged with different things being thrown at me. Not to say though that I am giving up. Just need a little help. Thanks again for everything. Be well. Hugs, Tone - Peter Gardiner rawfood Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Thanks Toni, It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight. My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example. a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Toni, A way to sharpen upon taste is to go on a fast. A method of introducing a new taste or food is through juicing. In your case you might try both. I think that eventually your body can learn to take nourishment from fruit although it may take time. In view of what Mary says I may be somewhat biased on diet. I fall into the category of being terminally ill and yet get no problems of deficiency of diet from eating raw and largely fruitarian. Now the terminal illness is well under control. I share her notion that transition should be done slowly as it takes years to adapt properly. I also allow that my spouse eats a cooked diet and forces it on our son aged 15. The sad part is that today is the last day of our 29 year marriage and I lose my son and will be forced to move into another home which previously gave me income. The situation is hugely challenging and way beyond the scope of this forum except to say that I have faced other tough situations in life and have worried far more about them. I lay much store by being better equipped to deal with vicissitudes whilst on a raw diet. The tension, fear and anxiety which I would have felt in the past are not with me now. Adaptation is possible. Peter Tone [tone102] 04 May 2004 07:47 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hi Peter, Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when I tried the nut milk last week which I did not sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the only time with those. Never tried dates or any kind of nut butters either. Bananas happen to be the only fruit I like and have them once in a while when I get the yen for them. Basically it has just been salad with a tinge of olive oil and some fresh squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there is only so many greens I can eat before they go bad. Any suggestions on how I can get myself to liking fruit? I truly want this healthy lifestyle but am getting discouraged with different things being thrown at me. Not to say though that I am giving up. Just need a little help. Thanks again for everything. Be well. Hugs, Tone - Peter Gardiner rawfood Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Thanks Toni, It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight. My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example. a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Enzyme deficiency creates this condition. Alex Peter Gardiner wrote: >Thanks Toni, > >It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight. >My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight >gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example. > > >I eat a lot of fruit and could not get the energy I need on just green >leaves. Large quantities of bananas could produce insulin and fat. Almond >milk or almond butter is a far more likely candidate if you actually eat it. >I certainly would not. > >Peter > > >Tone [tone102] >03 May 2004 20:03 >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > >Hi Peter, > > Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the >raw butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that >was being referenced. Do you have anything to add with eating greens and >gaining weight? I always appreciate your feedback on everything. I still >wish that I could find a fruit other then a banana that I could even think >of eating. No such thing as young coconuts around here just old expensive >brown ones Not very tasty anyway. > >Thanks again >Have a great day >Hugs, >Toni > - > Peter Gardiner > rawfood > Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM > RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > Tone, > > Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that > raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when > compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy > industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little >to > do with omniscience. > > Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being > natural or even necessary > > Peter > > > > > Tone [tone102] > 03 May 2004 16:17 > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > > Hello Alex, > > May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly > do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and > gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about >almond > butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a > butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like >its > SAD counterpart. > > Have a beutiful day > Hugs, > Tone > - > alex > rawfood > Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM > Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > Eat raw butter, a lot of it. > Alex > > Yummy Wong wrote: > > >Mary, > > > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem > >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Tone, I was not a fruit eater before I started my transitions. I learned to like fruit by making myself eat one piece of fruit per day. Then, when this was normal, I made myself eat a piece of fruit before every meal...even cooked meals. It took me several years to really enjoy eating fruit. mary --- Tone <tone102 wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when > I tried the nut milk last week which I did not > sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the > only time with those. Never tried dates or any kind > of nut butters either. Bananas happen to be the only > fruit I like and have them once in a while when I > get the yen for them. Basically it has just been > salad with a tinge of olive oil and some fresh > squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there is > only so many greens I can eat before they go bad. > Any suggestions on how I can get myself to liking > fruit? I truly want this healthy lifestyle but am > getting discouraged with different things being > thrown at me. Not to say though that I am giving up. > Just need a little help. > Thanks again for everything. > Be well. > Hugs, > Tone > - > Peter Gardiner > rawfood > Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM > RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining > weight > > > Thanks Toni, > > It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating > greens and gaining weight. > My gut reaction is that there is likely some other > culprit for the weight > gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food > such as dates for example. > > > a.. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 What about a good quality (edible) coconut oil? I eat it plain for energy and skin.-a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 If you read the research of Dr. Weston A. PRice he extols the virtues of raw butter as food that contains a mysterious but health supporting " Factor X " . Without debating the virtues of dairy I will comment that I think " Factor X " is lauric acid which is only found in mother's milk, raw butter oil, and coconut oil. -a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Peter~ My friend teaches body ecology and orders it from somewhere. Sorry I dont have more details on that!! I can find out easily enough though when I see her tomorrow. I do know that when she orders it she is not permitted to order in quantities smaller than one case. Angela Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Angela, Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter hail? Peter Angela LaMonte [amadera656] 03 May 2004 20:11 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hi Peter~ Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I am curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She not only thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for optimum health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of cocnut oil and day and like that. thanks Angela Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Tone, Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to do with omniscience. Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being natural or even necessary Peter Tone [tone102] 03 May 2004 16:17 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hello Alex, May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its SAD counterpart. Have a beutiful day Hugs, Tone - alex rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Eat raw butter, a lot of it. Alex Yummy Wong wrote: >Mary, > >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem >with constipation and perspiration along with low > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Peter~ So very sorry to hear about such sadness in your life. Even though I havent been raw or even 100% raw the amount that most of you have, I can say that I already know what you mean with regard to being able to withstand and face difficult times with grace and calm. Raw foods allows that in my opinion. Sorry again Angela Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: The sad part is that today is the last day of our 29 year marriage and I lose my son and will be forced to move into another home which previously gave me income. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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