eating greens and gaining weight

[Guest guest]

Tone,

Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might think you are trying to

starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would start eating some

fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the weight to come off more

quickly.

~Wendy

[Guest guest]

Wendy,

 

I know that many people think this is true (greens

will cause you to lose weight) since many of the early

promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large

amounts of greens). however, my experience has been

that this is not necessarily true.

 

The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs.

Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal.

They contain specific nutrients that have specific

action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually

cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because they

reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow

metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for the

purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in dark,

leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us who

do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts.

 

Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one of

two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a

higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve

this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture easily.

It is this second group is negatively impacted by

eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If this

group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be iceberg

lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to focus

on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually stimulate

the production of stomach acid and promotes

metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding

moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt

(needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin,

lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as

others around them. They can have low blood pressure.

In fact, the individuals in this group are often

constipated simply because they do not have enough

moisture to eliminate easily.

 

The reason I tended to counsel my clients to

transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the SAD)

is that the individuals in this group need to be

identified. they need steamed veggies and vegi-fruits

for a period of time before transitioning to an all

raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods

they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as

well as which ones will meet their nutritional needs.

I learned from experience (working with a variety of

clients) that individuals who are extremely active by

nature are able to make such a transition more easily

than those of us who are not as physically active by

nature. By physically active I mean someone who hates

sitting because it is boring. It is this group (very

active by nature) that is most prone to high blood

pressure. They are the 'type A's'.

 

mary

--- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

> Tone,

> Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might

> think you are trying to

> starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would

> start eating some

> fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the

> weight to come off more

> quickly.

> ~Wendy

>

 

 

=====

 

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A smile is a silent 'hello'.

 

owner of

 

'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Mary,

 

I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

with constipation and perspiration along with low

blood pressure. If I truely want to lose weight, what

can I do to help? Thanks!

 

Please advise,

Yummy

--- mary <marymassung wrote:

> Wendy,

>

> I know that many people think this is true (greens

> will cause you to lose weight) since many of the

> early

> promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large

> amounts of greens). however, my experience has been

> that this is not necessarily true.

>

> The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs.

> Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal.

> They contain specific nutrients that have specific

> action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually

> cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because

> they

> reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow

> metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for

> the

> purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in

> dark,

> leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us

> who

> do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts.

>

> Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one

> of

> two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger

> a

> higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve

> this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture

> easily.

> It is this second group is negatively impacted by

> eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If

> this

> group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be

> iceberg

> lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to

> focus

> on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually

> stimulate

> the production of stomach acid and promotes

> metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding

> moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt

> (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin,

> lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as

> others around them. They can have low blood

> pressure.

> In fact, the individuals in this group are often

> constipated simply because they do not have enough

> moisture to eliminate easily.

>

> The reason I tended to counsel my clients to

> transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the

> SAD)

> is that the individuals in this group need to be

> identified. they need steamed veggies and

> vegi-fruits

> for a period of time before transitioning to an all

> raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods

> they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as

> well as which ones will meet their nutritional

> needs.

> I learned from experience (working with a variety

> of

> clients) that individuals who are extremely active

> by

> nature are able to make such a transition more

> easily

> than those of us who are not as physically active by

> nature. By physically active I mean someone who

> hates

> sitting because it is boring. It is this group

> (very

> active by nature) that is most prone to high blood

> pressure. They are the 'type A's'.

>

> mary

> --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

> > Tone,

> > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body

> might

> > think you are trying to

> > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I

> would

> > start eating some

> > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the

> > weight to come off more

> > quickly.

> > ~Wendy

> >

>

>

> =====

>

> Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

>

> A smile is a silent 'hello'.

>

> owner of

>

> 'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

>

> 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

>

> 'Yoga for Therapy'.

>

>

>

 

>

> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly do

not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and gaining

weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL

Are you talking about almond butter and the like? I have never had any of those.

Was never much of a butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not

taste like its SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Mary,

I can't believe how well you described me! So what specific type of foods do you

recommend for people trying to go raw, but do not apparently retain moisture?

I've been raw for about 2 months now and have had trouble with constipation. I

am constantly craving salt as well. I eat a lot of spinach and green leaves. If

these aren't good for me, what should I focus on?

Thanks,

Ariana

 

 

mary [marymassung]

Saturday, May 01, 2004 2:21 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Wendy,

 

I know that many people think this is true (greens

will cause you to lose weight) since many of the early

promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large

amounts of greens). however, my experience has been

that this is not necessarily true.

 

The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs.

Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal.

They contain specific nutrients that have specific

action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually

cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because they

reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow

metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for the

purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in dark,

leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us who

do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts.

 

Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one of

two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a

higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve

this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture easily.

It is this second group is negatively impacted by

eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If this

group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be iceberg

lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to focus

on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually stimulate

the production of stomach acid and promotes

metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding

moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt

(needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin,

lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as

others around them. They can have low blood pressure.

In fact, the individuals in this group are often

constipated simply because they do not have enough

moisture to eliminate easily.

 

The reason I tended to counsel my clients to

transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the SAD)

is that the individuals in this group need to be

identified. they need steamed veggies and vegi-fruits

for a period of time before transitioning to an all

raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods

they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as

well as which ones will meet their nutritional needs.

I learned from experience (working with a variety of

clients) that individuals who are extremely active by

nature are able to make such a transition more easily

than those of us who are not as physically active by

nature. By physically active I mean someone who hates

sitting because it is boring. It is this group (very

active by nature) that is most prone to high blood

pressure. They are the 'type A's'.

 

mary

--- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

> Tone,

> Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body might

> think you are trying to

> starve it and is holding on to what it has. I would

> start eating some

> fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the

> weight to come off more

> quickly.

> ~Wendy

>

 

 

=====

 

Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

 

A smile is a silent 'hello'.

 

owner of

 

'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yummy:

 

Although I do not endorse Ayurveda in its entirety, I

do believe that there is truth contained in any

dietary system that 'works'. However, as of this

time, we do not know of any ONE dietary system that

GUARANTEES longevity and death from TOTALLY natural

causes to ALL who follow it. It is each individual's

personal responsibility to search out the truth in

each 'working' dietary system and then apply those

portions of truth that fit his/her personal situation.

 

Having said that, Ayurveda teaches that all NATURAL

(plant)foods predominate in one of the tastes: spicey,

astringent, bitter, sour, salty, and sweet. The

specific taste is determined by the nutrients in that

plant. Each 'taste' has a direct consequence in the

body (nutritional/medicinal). For example, most dark

leafy greens have a 'bitter' quality. The 'bitter'

taste causes the body to reduce secretions, including

digestive secretions. On the other hand, the 'sour'

taste stimulates the production of all secretions,

including digestive secretions. The 'Astringent' taste

causes secretions (that have occurred) to dry up (make

your mouth feel like it is stuffed with cotton). The

'spicey' taste removes/dries up excess moisture in the

body. The 'sweet' taste moisturizes and soothes the

tissues of the body while reducing body heat. The

'salty' taste causes the body to assimilate and hold

moisture.

 

To have a totally balanced diet, you must take into

consideration your geographic location (very

moist-tropics, very dry-desert, high altitude-very

high, low sunlight-poles, etc). You must also take

into account the season of the year (very cold, very

hot, cool, foggy, rainy, etc). Then you must take into

consideration the peculiar nutrients needs of your

body. That is, what nutrients are you most likely to

be deficient in. (These are the nutrients you need to

focus on when eating.) Finally, you must observe your

body's natural metabolism. The idea is to think of

the body as a fire. A fire needs appropriate fuel,

adequate oxygen, some moisture (so it doesn't burn too

fast but not so much that it dies out), and something

to start the fire.

 

Metabolism is very important. You cannot change your

natural metabolism. However, you can eat according to

that metabolism. The more physically active you are

(without thought), the higher your metabolism will be.

The metabolism of some individuals is that of a blow

torch. If their fuel is kindling, they will dry

themselves out very quickly. Others, who are more

mentally active with minimal physical activity, have a

lower metabolism. Putting a match (slow metabolism)

to a log (big/heavy meal) would be totally

ineffective...even if that meal is all raw! Some

individuals naturally hold water. They must remove

excess water or their metabolism can never get going!

Finally, some individuals hold almost no water!

Everything they eat is quickly burned and then,

without moisture, the tissues dry up...causing

constipation and other problems.

 

Does this mean I adhere to the Pitta, Kapha, Vata of

Ayurveda? NO. While I believe that labels such as

these might help a professional making a 'diagnosis',

I feel they are counterproductive for the rest of us.

We have to go by what we are observing in our bodies

on a daily basis as well as what we know of our entire

past life. I believe, from my personal experience and

those of my former clients, that it doesn't matter if

I increase my physical activity to hours per day if I

have to conciously think about it. The fact that I do

have to think about being physically active will

always make me a more mental than physical person.

Even if I think I am drinking water all day long, I

will never drink as much as the person that loves to

drink liquids. When we, or someone else, gives us a

label, we try to conform to the label. If I simply

observe my body's reaction to the food I eat, over a

period of time, I will learn what I need to eat to

optimize my health and energy. You will learn that the

plant foods you MOST LIKE to eat are not the ones you

need the most! If you dislike celery...you probably

need it!

 

I may or may not weigh what I would like to weigh. I

may or may not ever be a 100% raw fooder. I may or

may not ever be a vegetarian/vegan. All of these are

'labels'. The goal is to have enough health and energy

to do all the things I want to be able to do. Some

people want to climb Mt. Everest. I only want to be

able to comfortably breathe, hold my grandchildren, do

yoga & tai chi, and share my knowledge with others!

The person who wants to climb Mt Everest would never

be happy with my life and I would not be happy with

his! Even if I did not have lung disease, I would not

want his life!

 

Some people really want to live 'forever'. I used to

think that way (when I was in my 30's). I don't

anymore...not because I am sick but because all my

family and friends would not be there to share it with

me. Yes, I would have new friends...but not ones who

really knew ALL of me as my current friends know me. I

used to want to convert my family, spouse, and friends

to my diet. I don't anymore. Why? They are happy as

is. If I want them to accept me as I am, I have to be

willing to accept them as they are. Should my spouse

die before me, I do not want to have my memories of

him being those of his refusing to do things my way. I

want to remember what we shared..not what separated

us. Nor, if I die first, do I want him grateful I am

no longer trying to control how he eats!

 

You ask how to lose weight. First figure out whether

you are a more sendentary or physical person. If you

are more sendentary (low metabolism), determine what

kind of diet makes you want to be more physically

active and eat it! If you are too active (producing

too many acid secretions that can dry you out),

determine what kind of foods calm you and eat them. If

you drink very little fluid (when not focused on it),

add more natural salt to your diet. It will make you

thirsty! If you are continuously drinking fluids, what

kind are you drinking? If sugary, they will dehydrate

you. If caffeinated, they will over-stimulate you.

 

A person can be overweight because they don't eat

enough fuel (if you are very physically active),

because you eat too much (if you very sendentary),

because you drink too much water (need some drying

out), or because you drink too little!

 

As you can see, there is no 'one shoe fits all'. I

cannot tell someone how to lose weight. I can explain

principles and warn you not to get caught up in doing

what 'everyone else is doing' without evaluating your

own personal needs. The diet that is healthy for my

husband IS NOT the diet that is healthy for me! He

can eat large amounts of spicey, bitter, and astingent

foods all day long and just get healthier. I would

get sick on this diet. On the other hand, I need

salty, sweet, and sour foods. These would make him

sick. He could eat all his food raw cold turkey and

have only minimal problems. I would get very sick. I

need to steam fibrous plants and I have a very slow

metabolism. If my husband ate fruit all day long, he

would get fat...even if it were raw. If I eat salads

all day long, I would get fat since I cannot

effectively metabolize that much fiber! I am

extremely mental with only minimal natural desire for

physical activity although I do 1-2 hours daily of

yoga and tai chi! He is much more physical, naturally,

than mental. I have low blood pressure. His is high.

I can eat cold smoked salmon, he cannot.

 

In general, if you pick your nutrients from foods that

are whole foods (cooked or raw) and consume them in

the state closest to natural (that your body can

handle)and choose them according to your nutrient

needs, you will achieve the perfect weight and the

highest level you are capable of attaining with your

body.

 

It is a detective game...and you are the detective! I

just gave suggestions as to how to do the detective

work.

 

mary

 

--- Yummy Wong <yummy258 wrote:

> Mary,

>

> I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips,

> problem

> with constipation and perspiration along with low

> blood pressure. If I truely want to lose weight,

> what

> can I do to help? Thanks!

>

> Please advise,

> Yummy

> --- mary <marymassung wrote:

> > Wendy,

> >

> > I know that many people think this is true (greens

> > will cause you to lose weight) since many of the

> > early

> > promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large

> > amounts of greens). however, my experience has

> been

> > that this is not necessarily true.

> >

> > The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are

> herbs.

> > Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal.

>

> > They contain specific nutrients that have specific

> > action on the body. The dark leafy greens

> actually

> > cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because

> > they

> > reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow

> > metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for

> > the

> > purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in

> > dark,

> > leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us

> > who

> > do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts.

> >

> > Some people simply have a slower metabolism for

> one

> > of

> > two reasons. They are not active enough to

> trigger

> > a

> > higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve

> > this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture

> > easily.

> > It is this second group is negatively impacted by

> > eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If

> > this

> > group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be

> > iceberg

> > lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to

> > focus

> > on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually

> > stimulate

> > the production of stomach acid and promotes

> > metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding

> > moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt

> > (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin,

> > lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much

> as

> > others around them. They can have low blood

> > pressure.

> > In fact, the individuals in this group are often

> > constipated simply because they do not have enough

> > moisture to eliminate easily.

> >

> > The reason I tended to counsel my clients to

> > transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the

> > SAD)

> > is that the individuals in this group need to be

> > identified. they need steamed veggies and

> > vegi-fruits

> > for a period of time before transitioning to an

> all

> > raw diet. These individuals must learn which

> foods

> > they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as

> > well as which ones will meet their nutritional

> > needs.

> > I learned from experience (working with a variety

> > of

> > clients) that individuals who are extremely active

> > by

> > nature are able to make such a transition more

> > easily

> > than those of us who are not as physically active

> by

> > nature. By physically active I mean someone who

> > hates

> > sitting because it is boring. It is this group

> > (very

> > active by nature) that is most prone to high blood

> > pressure. They are the 'type A's'.

> >

> > mary

> > --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

> > > Tone,

> > > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body

> > might

> > > think you are trying to

> > > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I

> > would

> > > start eating some

> > > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the

> > > weight to come off more

> > > quickly.

> > > ~Wendy

> > >

> >

> >

> > =====

> >

> > Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

> >

> > A smile is a silent 'hello'.

> >

> > owner of

> >

> > 'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

> >

> > 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

> >

> > 'Yoga for Therapy'.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> >

> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

> >

>

>

> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

>

>

 

 

=====

 

Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

 

A smile is a silent 'hello'.

 

owner of

 

'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

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[Guest guest]

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the raw

butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that was being

referenced.

Do you have anything to add with eating greens and gaining weight? I always

appreciate your feedback on everything. I still wish that I could find a fruit

other then a banana that I could even think of eating. No such thing as young

coconuts around here just old expensive brown ones Not very tasty anyway.

 

Thanks again

Have a great day

Hugs,

Toni

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter~

Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I am

curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She not only

thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for optimum

health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of cocnut oil and

day and like that.

thanks

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tone,

raw butter is the one made from unpasturized cream.

In NA its legal to sell in California. Raw butter contains building

blocks of the body ( for better results

can be mixed with raw honey).

Try to find a local guy with a cow to get it from.

Alex

 

>

>

>Hello Alex,

>

> May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

>do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

>gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

>butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

>butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

>SAD counterpart.

>

>Have a beutiful day

>Hugs,

>Tone

> -

> alex

> rawfood

> Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

>

>

> Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

> Alex

>

> Yummy Wong wrote:

>

> >Mary,

> >

> >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

> >with constipation and perspiration along with low

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Try to find a local guy with a cow to get it from.

Alex

Alex,

 

LOL Hon I am lucky to find a crummy HFS, nevermind a cow.

You did make my day though

Thanks so much

Hugs,

Tone

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

Drink at least 10 glasses of water...

look into the book Your Body's Many Cries for Water.

 

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Ariana,

 

One of the reasons why I did not know if I would be

accepted in this group..or any similar group is

because I do not advocate going raw 'cold turkey'. I

believe that, unless a person is terminally ill with

only a short time to live (in which case, drastic

action is needed), it is better to transition when

making extreme dietary changes. Going from a SAD to

an all raw diet is extreme...from the body's

perspective.

 

You want me to make suggestions for you. The first

would be to 'back up a few steps'...not all the way.

Before going 100% raw, you need to become accustomed

to a VERY WIDE variety of raw herbs and fruits. In

this way, you will learn a variety of ways to prepare

raw food and increase your nutrient consumption.

 

In the beginning, it is better to steam the herbs

(leaves, stems, and flowers) until the intestinal

tract can handle the fiber of a 100% raw diet. Since

we are more familiar with eating cooked veggies than

raw veggies, going back a few steps will allow you

time to learn how to eat a much wider selection of

foods. If you say you are going to go 100% raw 'cold

turkey', you have to eliminate frying, steaming,

baking, and other means of getting nutrients before

you have learned to eat a a large variety of raw

foods in a wide variety of ways that your body can

accept and from which it can benefit. It would be

better, IMHO, to eat one cooked meal a day and all

other meals raw while you are experimenting with a

wide variety of new veggies and fruits. I have found

that many who make this transition can only think in

terms of a salad. Eating only a small variety of

salads days in and day out will eventually create

deficiencies.

 

You say you are craving salt. Eat a quality salt, in

small amounts, until you have developed a love affair

with celery...a salty herb as well as strawberries and

watermellon. Organic celery is definitely preferrable

to non-organic if you can get it. This is one herb

where you can really taste the difference. If you get

used to non-organic celery and then try the organic,

you will have to get used to it all over again!

 

YOu say you do not retain fluids well. I discussed

this with my brother, an MD, several year ago. He

pointed out to me that there was a reason why IVs are

a glucose drip. The body does not easily assimilate

plain water. Fruitarians need very little water as

the naturally hydrated fruit is easily assimilated by

the body. Therefore, I personally make a 1/2 gallon

of organic grape juice (from a concentrate) by adding

more water than called for. Then I dilute this even

as I drink it. I am getting glucose water. My body

will actually crave this liquid where it won't crave

water. Grapes are particularly beneficial for those

who are prone to dryness either from dehydration or

overly acidic bodies (too many acid secretions).

 

You say you are constipated. You have two choices.

Either start eating steamed veggies to help break down

the fiber and then eat lots of these veggies with a

smaller amount of raw food until you bowels are more

normal....or start doing a complete enema every night

until you can do an enema at night and then have a

normal stool in the morning. I know neither of these

are what you want to hear. The problem is that your

brain has determined you want to be 100% raw before

you have prepared your body for this transition. You

must either prepare your body, gradually, or assist it

in its elimination needs if you don't.

 

If you are having an increase in intestinal gas, it is

because your diet is fermenting the fecal matter that

has hardened on the intestinal walls. This fermented

fecal matter is of the consistency of a very thick

sludge! Go slow on fruit until your stools are more

normal.

 

mary

--- " Lopez, Ariana " <alopez wrote:

> Wow Mary,

> I can't believe how well you described me! So what

> specific type of foods do you recommend for people

> trying to go raw, but do not apparently retain

> moisture? I've been raw for about 2 months now and

> have had trouble with constipation. I am constantly

> craving salt as well. I eat a lot of spinach and

> green leaves. If these aren't good for me, what

> should I focus on?

> Thanks,

> Ariana

>

>

> mary [marymassung]

> Saturday, May 01, 2004 2:21 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining

> weight

>

>

> Wendy,

>

> I know that many people think this is true (greens

> will cause you to lose weight) since many of the

> early

> promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large

> amounts of greens). however, my experience has been

> that this is not necessarily true.

>

> The flowers, stems, and leaves or plants are herbs.

> Therefore, greens are herbs. Herbs are medicinal.

> They contain specific nutrients that have specific

> action on the body. The dark leafy greens actually

> cause the body's metabolism to SLOW DOWN because

> they

> reduce stomach acid. Therefore, people with slow

> metabolisms are not greatly benefitted by them for

> the

> purpose of weight loss. In fact, a diet high in

> dark,

> leafy greens can cause weight gain in those of us

> who

> do not have excess acid in our digestive tracts.

>

> Some people simply have a slower metabolism for one

> of

> two reasons. They are not active enough to trigger a

> higher metabolism (exercise alone will not solve

> this). or, Their bodies do not hold moisture

> easily.

> It is this second group is negatively impacted by

> eating large amounts of dark, leafy, greens. If

> this

> group is going to eat lettuce, it needs to be

> iceberg

> lettuce (high in moisture). This group needs to

> focus

> on sour-tasting foods as such foods actually

> stimulate

> the production of stomach acid and promotes

> metabolism. Usually this group (difficulty holding

> moisture) can be recognized by a craving for salt

> (needed to hold water) and a tendency to dry skin,

> lips, etc. They also tend not to perspire as much as

> others around them. They can have low blood

> pressure.

> In fact, the individuals in this group are often

> constipated simply because they do not have enough

> moisture to eliminate easily.

>

> The reason I tended to counsel my clients to

> transition gradually to an all raw diet (from the

> SAD)

> is that the individuals in this group need to be

> identified. they need steamed veggies and

> vegi-fruits

> for a period of time before transitioning to an all

> raw diet. These individuals must learn which foods

> they can tolerate raw (will not dehydrate them) as

> well as which ones will meet their nutritional

> needs.

> I learned from experience (working with a variety

> of

> clients) that individuals who are extremely active

> by

> nature are able to make such a transition more

> easily

> than those of us who are not as physically active by

> nature. By physically active I mean someone who

> hates

> sitting because it is boring. It is this group

> (very

> active by nature) that is most prone to high blood

> pressure. They are the 'type A's'.

>

> mary

> --- ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

> > Tone,

> > Maybe you aren't eating enough. Your body

> might

> > think you are trying to

> > starve it and is holding on to what it has. I

> would

> > start eating some

> > fruits. Fruits are cleansers and will help the

> > weight to come off more

> > quickly.

> > ~Wendy

> >

>

>

> =====

>

> Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

>

> A smile is a silent 'hello'.

>

> owner of

>

> 'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

>

> 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

>

> 'Yoga for Therapy'.

>

>

>

 

>

> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This was'nt sent to me BUT,THANK YOU MARY!!!! gonna take a few steps back and do

some mental research, this was a message I needed to hear.Thank you so

much,,,,,,,,,,

shirley

-

mary

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Ariana,

 

One of the reasons why I did not know if I would be

accepted in this group..or any similar group is

because I do not advocate going raw 'cold turkey'. I

believe that, unless a person is terminally ill with

only a short time to live (in which case, drastic

action is needed), it is better to transition when

making extreme dietary changes. >

.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Toni,

 

It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight.

My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight

gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example.

 

 

I eat a lot of fruit and could not get the energy I need on just green

leaves. Large quantities of bananas could produce insulin and fat. Almond

milk or almond butter is a far more likely candidate if you actually eat it.

I certainly would not.

 

Peter

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 20:03

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the

raw butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that

was being referenced. Do you have anything to add with eating greens and

gaining weight? I always appreciate your feedback on everything. I still

wish that I could find a fruit other then a banana that I could even think

of eating. No such thing as young coconuts around here just old expensive

brown ones Not very tasty anyway.

 

Thanks again

Have a great day

Hugs,

Toni

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little

to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about

almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like

its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Angela,

 

Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter

hail?

 

Peter

 

 

Angela LaMonte [amadera656]

03 May 2004 20:11

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hi Peter~

Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I

am curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She

not only thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for

optimum health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of

cocnut oil and day and like that.

thanks

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

>

>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when I tried the nut milk last

week which I did not sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the only time

with those. Never tried dates or any kind of nut butters either. Bananas happen

to be the only fruit I like and have them once in a while when I get the yen for

them. Basically it has just been salad with a tinge of olive oil and some fresh

squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there is only so many greens I can eat

before they go bad. Any suggestions on how I can get myself to liking fruit? I

truly want this healthy lifestyle but am getting discouraged with different

things being thrown at me. Not to say though that I am giving up. Just need a

little help.

Thanks again for everything.

Be well.

Hugs,

Tone

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Thanks Toni,

 

It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight.

My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight

gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example.

 

 

a..

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Toni,

 

A way to sharpen upon taste is to go on a fast. A method of introducing a

new taste or food is through juicing. In your case you might try both. I

think that eventually your body can learn to take nourishment from fruit

although it may take time.

 

In view of what Mary says I may be somewhat biased on diet. I fall into the

category of being terminally ill and yet get no problems of deficiency of

diet from eating raw and largely fruitarian. Now the terminal illness is

well under control. I share her notion that transition should be done slowly

as it takes years to adapt properly. I also allow that my spouse eats a

cooked diet and forces it on our son aged 15.

 

The sad part is that today is the last day of our 29 year marriage and I

lose my son and will be forced to move into another home which previously

gave me income. The situation is hugely challenging and way beyond the

scope of this forum except to say that I have faced other tough situations

in life and have worried far more about them. I lay much store by being

better equipped to deal with vicissitudes whilst on a raw diet. The

tension, fear and anxiety which I would have felt in the past are not with

me now.

 

Adaptation is possible.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

04 May 2004 07:47

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hi Peter,

 

Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when I tried the nut milk

last week which I did not sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the

only time with those. Never tried dates or any kind of nut butters either.

Bananas happen to be the only fruit I like and have them once in a while

when I get the yen for them. Basically it has just been salad with a tinge

of olive oil and some fresh squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there

is only so many greens I can eat before they go bad. Any suggestions on how

I can get myself to liking fruit? I truly want this healthy lifestyle but am

getting discouraged with different things being thrown at me. Not to say

though that I am giving up. Just need a little help. Thanks again for

everything. Be well. Hugs, Tone

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Thanks Toni,

 

It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining

weight.

My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight

gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for

example.

 

 

a..

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Enzyme deficiency creates this condition.

Alex

 

Peter Gardiner wrote:

 

>Thanks Toni,

>

>It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating greens and gaining weight.

>My gut reaction is that there is likely some other culprit for the weight

>gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food such as dates for example.

>

>

>I eat a lot of fruit and could not get the energy I need on just green

>leaves. Large quantities of bananas could produce insulin and fat. Almond

>milk or almond butter is a far more likely candidate if you actually eat it.

>I certainly would not.

>

>Peter

>

>

>Tone [tone102]

>03 May 2004 20:03

>rawfood

>Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

>

>

>

>Hi Peter,

>

> Thanks for the response. I do not eat dairy so I guess I will skip the

>raw butter. I just did not know if it was actual butter or nut butter that

>was being referenced. Do you have anything to add with eating greens and

>gaining weight? I always appreciate your feedback on everything. I still

>wish that I could find a fruit other then a banana that I could even think

>of eating. No such thing as young coconuts around here just old expensive

>brown ones Not very tasty anyway.

>

>Thanks again

>Have a great day

>Hugs,

>Toni

> -

> Peter Gardiner

> rawfood

> Monday, May 03, 2004 1:48 PM

> RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

>

>

> Tone,

>

> Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

> raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

> compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

> industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little

>to

> do with omniscience.

>

> Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

> natural or even necessary

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

> Tone [tone102]

> 03 May 2004 16:17

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

>

>

>

> Hello Alex,

>

> May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

> do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

> gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about

>almond

> butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

> butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like

>its

> SAD counterpart.

>

> Have a beutiful day

> Hugs,

> Tone

> -

> alex

> rawfood

> Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

>

>

> Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

> Alex

>

> Yummy Wong wrote:

>

> >Mary,

> >

> >I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

> >with constipation and perspiration along with low

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tone,

 

I was not a fruit eater before I started my

transitions. I learned to like fruit by making myself

eat one piece of fruit per day. Then, when this was

normal, I made myself eat a piece of fruit before

every meal...even cooked meals. It took me several

years to really enjoy eating fruit.

 

mary

--- Tone <tone102 wrote:

> Hi Peter,

>

> Thanks Hon for responding. I only had nuts when

> I tried the nut milk last week which I did not

> sweeten and found to be horrid So that was the

> only time with those. Never tried dates or any kind

> of nut butters either. Bananas happen to be the only

> fruit I like and have them once in a while when I

> get the yen for them. Basically it has just been

> salad with a tinge of olive oil and some fresh

> squeezed lemon. I try to add variety but there is

> only so many greens I can eat before they go bad.

> Any suggestions on how I can get myself to liking

> fruit? I truly want this healthy lifestyle but am

> getting discouraged with different things being

> thrown at me. Not to say though that I am giving up.

> Just need a little help.

> Thanks again for everything.

> Be well.

> Hugs,

> Tone

> -

> Peter Gardiner

> rawfood

> Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:26 AM

> RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining

> weight

>

>

> Thanks Toni,

>

> It is hard for me to grasp the reality of eating

> greens and gaining weight.

> My gut reaction is that there is likely some other

> culprit for the weight

> gaining. In nuts or some other high energy food

> such as dates for example.

>

>

> a..

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

=====

 

Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

 

A smile is a silent 'hello'.

 

owner of

 

'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

[Guest guest]

What about a good quality (edible) coconut oil? I eat it plain for

energy and skin.-a

[Guest guest]

If you read the research of Dr. Weston A. PRice he extols the virtues

of raw butter as food that contains a mysterious but health

supporting " Factor X " . Without debating the virtues of dairy I will

comment that I think " Factor X " is lauric acid which is only found in

mother's milk, raw butter oil, and coconut oil. -a

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter~

My friend teaches body ecology and orders it from somewhere. Sorry I dont have

more details on that!! I can find out easily enough though when I see her

tomorrow. I do know that when she orders it she is not permitted to order in

quantities smaller than one case.

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Angela,

 

Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter

hail?

 

Peter

 

 

Angela LaMonte [amadera656]

03 May 2004 20:11

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hi Peter~

Forgive my lack of sharpness, but are you in favor of raw butter or no? I

am curious. I have a friend (body ecologist) who swears by raw butter. She

not only thinks it is okay to have it, but thinks one *should* have it for

optimum health. I tasted it, and didnt like it at all. I do eat t tbsp of

cocnut oil and day and like that.

thanks

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Tone,

 

Easy to think that raw butter comes out of a cow. It is also certain that

raw butter, if you can find it, is relatively speaking an elixir when

compared with some of the sophistications that come out of the dairy

industry. I use the word sophistication with care. Sophistry has little to

do with omniscience.

 

Sucking milk from a wild herd is not an easy notion to perceive as being

natural or even necessary

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

Tone [tone102]

03 May 2004 16:17

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

 

Hello Alex,

 

May I ask, what is raw butter and what would I eat it with? I honestly

do not know what to eat anymore. With salads coming out of my ears and

gaining weight and not liking fruit...well..LOL Are you talking about almond

butter and the like? I have never had any of those. Was never much of a

butter eater to begin with so I hope the raw butter does not taste like its

SAD counterpart.

 

Have a beutiful day

Hugs,

Tone

-

alex

rawfood

Monday, May 03, 2004 9:59 AM

Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight

 

 

Eat raw butter, a lot of it.

Alex

 

Yummy Wong wrote:

 

>Mary,

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>I am definitely the type with dry skin, lips, problem

>with constipation and perspiration along with low

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[Guest guest]

Peter~

So very sorry to hear about such sadness in your life. Even though I havent

been raw or even 100% raw the amount that most of you have, I can say that I

already know what you mean with regard to being able to withstand and face

difficult times with grace and calm. Raw foods allows that in my opinion. Sorry

again

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

 

 

The sad part is that today is the last day of our 29 year marriage and I

lose my son and will be forced to move into another home which previously

gave me income.

 

 

 

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