Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 I must not have worded what I was trying to say correctly. Greens don't make me lose weight either. Fruit does. Fruits are more of a cleanser than vegetables. I think it was Tone that I was addressing what I said to. I did comment on that I thought she might not be eating enough, and I think she is eating mostly greens, so that is probably where the confusion came in. What I intended on saying was that I thought she should add some fruits to her diet. ~Wendy > I know that many people think this is true (greens > will cause you to lose weight) since many of the early > promoters of raw food diets were men who ate large > amounts of greens). however, my experience has been > that this is not necessarily true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Wendy, Hope this finds you well Hon. I know I should be eating fruits but how do I do that when I just do not like them? lol I am one picky pain in the butt I tell ya I can handle a banana here and there and I know that is not the way to go. I have not eaten anything in a couple of days because I truly do not know what the heck to eat. I tried making a smoothie and blech! I am sure there has to be something I like. Unless I just force myself to eat it but so hard when you just do not like it. Thankyou so much for the advice. I do so appreciate it. hope you are having a wonderful day I suffer from insomnia so have not slept any since Sunday so I hope I am comprehensible. Hugs, Tone - ky_wendylynn rawfood Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:51 PM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight I must not have worded what I was trying to say correctly. Greens don't make me lose weight either. Fruit does. Fruits are more of a cleanser than vegetables. I think it was Tone that I was addressing what I said to. I did comment on that I thought she might not be eating enough, and I think she is eating mostly greens, so that is probably where the confusion came in. What I intended on saying was that I thought she should add some fruits to her diet. ~Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hi Tone~ I would say just make yourself do it for awhile and see if it is an acquired taste! I dont love fruit either though to be honest. But I am able to eat it when I am really hungry. I am sorry you are having problems sleeping. Until this diet I have always been the opposite..wayyyy too much sleep Take care Angela Tone <tone102 wrote: Hi Wendy, Hope this finds you well Hon. I know I should be eating fruits but how do I do that when I just do not like them? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hi Mary, So very glad that you have stayed with us. Your knowledge and insight on so many things are so educating and incouraging. I thought about trying to make myself eat fruit. Thing is that I look it up and down and walk away without it...lol I cannot stand Apples so they are totally off my list What sort of fruits did you start with? I will make the effort though as I believe that something done long enough does become habit. I have not eaten in a couple of days because I simply do not know what to eat. I still find it ironic that greens would cause me to gain weight when I went through a long bout of starvation and lost. Not saying this proudly at all but just making a point or rather questioning it. Thankyou so much again My prayers for your health Hugs, Tone - mary rawfood Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:30 AM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Tone, I was not a fruit eater before I started my transitions. I learned to like fruit by making myself eat one piece of fruit per day. Then, when this was normal, I made myself eat a piece of fruit before every meal...even cooked meals. It took me several years to really enjoy eating fruit. a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Tone, I suggest you take a few steps back and get used to eating cooked veggies again. Here is some info you might find interesting. When I was young (many years ago when dinasaurs roamed the earth), my grandmother not only cooked our fresh grown veggies in lots of water but then used this water for various vegetable soups. Then, when I was in my early 20's (in the days of the covered wagon), we were told by the health gurus that it was bad to cook our vegetables in water. So people stopped doing this. We started steaming our vegetables and throwing away the water. Or we ate them raw. Then, when I was getting my degree in nutritional herbology, I learned my grandmother was right! Herbs (stems, leaves, and flowers of plants) are nature's healers. If you eat herbs raw, you get the fiber but NOT the MEDICINAL benefit. Heat is needed to extract the medicinal part of these plants. By gently boiling herbs in water for about 30 minutes (or more), the medicinal part of the plant is extracted from the fibers into the water. Of course, if you throw away the water, you lose. If you use this water (either to drink or for a soup), you get the medicinal benefit. Simmering an herb is called making a decoction. In the 'olden days', it was not unheard of to put several herbs and roots in a pot of gently simmering water for a period of time to extract the medicinal nutrients. When the plants were soft, they were removed and the broth was seasoned (with additional herbs) and let sit for about 15 minutes (herbal infusion). The added herbs are then strained out and the broth drunk! If your body is nutrient starved, this is an excellent way to help heal and rebuild it. While you could also eat the veggies that you simmered, keep in mind that the nutrients are in the broth. One particular broth is termed a 'potassium broth' because the veggies simmered are high in potassium. It is used to treat one form of arthritis. Tone, it is too easy for you to not eat. However, this kind of 'fasting' is not healthy. It will only further harm your body. It would be better for you to go back to at least one cooked meal per day with snacks of raw veggies and veggie broths until you have developed a taste for fruit. If you never develop a taste for fruit, at least you can eat a healthier diet than the SAD by making herbal broths. Also, if you lost a lot of weight and lean muscle your body may well be nutrient starved. If this is the case, you have to allow your body a chance to rebalance itself before trying to make too many new changes. I assume you plan on being alive in 10 years, 20 years, or even 30 years! What will be lost if you take a year to allow your body a chance to rebalance itself with steamed veggies and herbal broths. If you lost lean muscle, you will need extra protein, along with exercise, to rebuild lean muscle. You may need fish for this. Once your body has been rebalanced, it will be ready for round two....more raw veggies! I get most of my protein from cold smoked Alaskan Salmon. I know some, if not many, would disagree with me. However, IMHO, it is more important to eat a healthy diet than it is to jump into a 100% raw diet before your metabolism can handle it. From your posts, it would seem that you do not yet have a wide enough selection of fruit and veggies (that you enjoy) to have all your nutrient needs met. Even though raw food has enzymes for its own digestion, you body has to be able to extract the nutrients from the fibers of the raw food. Be kind to yourself. The destination is not as important as the journey and what you learn about yourself on that journey. Botannically, fruits are the ovaries of plants. They contain the seeds of new life. Using this definition, peppers, tomatoes, squash, etc are also fruits. Do you like any of these? How many different veggies do you like? mary --- Tone <tone102 wrote: > Hi Mary, > > So very glad that you have stayed with us. Your > knowledge and insight on so many things are so > educating and incouraging. I thought about trying to > make myself eat fruit. Thing is that I look it up > and down and walk away without it...lol I cannot > stand Apples so they are totally off my list > What sort of fruits did you start with? I will make > the effort though as I believe that something done > long enough does become habit. I have not eaten in a > couple of days because I simply do not know what to > eat. I still find it ironic that greens would cause > me to gain weight when I went through a long bout of > starvation and lost. Not saying this proudly at all > but just making a point or rather questioning it. > Thankyou so much again > My prayers for your health > > Hugs, > Tone > - > mary > rawfood > Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:30 AM > Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining > weight > > > Tone, > > I was not a fruit eater before I started my > transitions. I learned to like fruit by making > myself > eat one piece of fruit per day. Then, when this > was > normal, I made myself eat a piece of fruit before > every meal...even cooked meals. It took me > several > years to really enjoy eating fruit. > > > a.. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Tone, What foods did you used to eat before you decided to try going raw? Maybe people can help you find foods that you might like based on the crap you used to eat, LOL. Like Pizza is a favorite - maybe tomatos with some seasoning until you get used to them? I used to hate bananas, and for some reason now I like them depending on the day. Apples - hated them, but like the Fuji apples a lot. Hate eating an apple by hand, so I'll put it through the slicer. Strawberries? Maybe with some dip to make it taste better or cool whip? Something transitional, maybe? Mel rawfood , " Tone " <tone102@p...> wrote: I know I should be eating fruits but how do I do that when I just do not like them? lol I am one picky pain in the butt I tell ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I " ve found that ground up flax seed keeps things moving veeeery well. -a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 I went raw cold turkey at a raw institute. HOWEVER, we spent the first 3 days eating nothing but greens and apples blended into a " soup " . Then we transitioned slowly into salads and eventually a little fruit. I watched many people go through this over 8 weeks. Few suffered, usually having only slight discomfort on day(s) 4-6. However, I am not arguing the point of how to transition. I did not meet anyone who I think could do it on their own cold turkey. IT's too much of a shock to the system. The very first day of our stay they started us on enema's. From what little I " ve read I would think the body would give a person fits unless there was help with enema's. I believe the body is going to try to detox on a raw diet and it needs to have clear elimination channels. IF not, I understand that this is what causes the bad detoxing side effects that people talk about. I would think it could get dangerous if not handled well. Transitioning is important on all levels, such as attempting water or juice fasting. It is not suggested without slowly adapting the body through raw foods and such. Healing crisis may seem desirable as a sign that one is detoxing, that is, until you get one. I would rather avoid healing crisis all together. IT would definitely give me a bad taste (pun intended) for the raw food diet. -anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hey Tone~ If you are not wanting to eat greens, greens, and more greens..and are also not into fruit..how about a bowl of cherry tomatoes, sliced in half, with diced cucumber, diced bell pepper, red onion sliced thin, chunks of avocado, sunflower seeds, olive oil and apple cider vinegar with sea salt and black pepper? Also..do you own a dehydrator? I know what you mean about getting in a place where you are " stuck " and cant think of anything good sounding to eat! Take care Angela Tone <tone102 wrote: I have not eaten in a couple of days because I simply do not know what to eat. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 How about blending the fruit in a Vitamix as a smoothie?? I rarely eat fruit but will drink it. As for boredom, what are your sources for recipes? Boutenko's books are good as she uses a 5-taste seasoning recipe: sweet, salty, sour, bitter, spicy. By adding a touch of all 5 tastes in any recipe you get depth that is very satisfying. Try is with any kind of recipe. It may be confusing to know which is what. The book by her kids lists what herbs and spices fall into which categories. What about fermented food? You need to have that. And green soup. And nut pates. As for the almond milk, even at the institute we did not drink it without dates added, and even vanilla. YOu need variety, and you need 'seasoning', a blending of tastes. Again, what are your sources of recipes? --a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Try blending leafy greens, sprouts and an apple or pear. Or an orange. The greens will overpower the fruit with just a little sweetness. When I was at the raw institute I ate little to no fruit. Didn't want any. I didn't know they added apples and pears to the green soup. Later I craved oranges occasionally and still do. -a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hi Mary, Thank you for all your great advice and knowledge. Someone in the group (I believe it was you) had mentioned that you should have a bowl movement 1 hour after you've eaten. Also, drinking 1 glass of lemon water in the morning before consuming anything else helps with digestion. I began drinking the lemon water. The first few days, I was just really gassy. However, now I get very healthy movements. I actually get them about 1 hour after I've eaten and input does equal output. This has been going on for about 1 week, so we'll see how it goes. Although I did somewhat go raw cold turkey, I feel like my body wanted it. I was never a real red meat eater and always loved veggies and fruits, so it might not have been such a shock to my system. As I had stated previously, I haven't gone through severe detox symptoms as others and I feel that part of the reason for this that I have eaten relatively healthy for the majority of my life. My biggest fear right now, as you stated, is that many people are not aware for the variety of fruits and veggies. I might not be getting enough nutrition sticking to bananas, oranges, and salads. I don't have a kitchen or a very big fridge. I put my produce by the window to keep it chilled. Now with the sun coming out, it's getting a little harder, but I consume what I can buy around here and store. My mother, brother, and myself all suffer from constipation and intestinal issues, and I've always been more of a food (salty) eater, then a sweets person. After I started the raw diet, I would get constipated and wondered why since I had done so well on the fast I had completed. Just last night I read that wheat grass is not digestible for humans! That was such an eye opener. I don't like wasting anything. So after I juiced the wheat grass, I mixed it with other veggie pulp and made crackers. That might have been why I was having such a hard time " going " . One of my favorite dinner is spinach soup with celery as my " spoon " . I am a fan of celery with almond butter or as my spinach soup which I munch on as I scoop. Sorry this is so long. Ultimately what I wanted to say is thank you so much for everything you've said. As you speak (or write) I continue to learn. *Smiles* Ariana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hi Angela, Thanks so much for being so thoughtful and helping me out here. This is such a wonderful supportive group. When it was brought to my attention with the greens and the weight gain, to me that signaled all veggies. So then your suggestion would be okay? I don't have a dehydrator. The recipes that everyone makes in them sounds good but I am not one to go way out for myself and also not one to leave an appliance like that unattended. LOL If I want something, I want it now and not a day or two later But who knows, maybe someday. I thought that ACV was not acceptible on the raw diet? I have not used that in sooooo many years. I will pick up some little tomatoes and maybe a cucumber (not my fave but I can eat it) no bell pepper and definitely no seeds will go into my salad..lol Anyway, there is nowhere to find raw seeds around here though the supermarket has raw nuts...well I am sure everyone remembers my " blech " experience with the nut milk. And darn..lol what am I supposed to drink? The Italian in me loves my coffee and I drink a couple of glasses of water a day and that is pushing it. I'll do my best and see what I can pick up later on. Not really all that hungry after not eating for a couple of days anyway but know that it is not good so I will jiffy up something good. Thanks again Hon Hope you are having a great day Hugs, Tone Hey Tone~ If you are not wanting to eat greens, greens, and more greens..and are also not into fruit..how about a bowl of cherry tomatoes, sliced in half, with diced cucumber, diced bell pepper, red onion sliced thin, chunks of avocado, sunflower seeds, olive oil and apple cider vinegar with sea salt and black pepper? Also..do you own a dehydrator? I know what you mean about getting in a place where you are " stuck " and cant think of anything good sounding to eat! Take care Angela a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Hey Tone~ Hope things are going well for you today. I am Italian too, and somedays I get so nostalgic for my grandmother's pasta..It tasted like Love. It s hard to forget the artistry and passion that went into her cooked foods. But they make me feel bad. I thought ACV was the one vinegar that was ok on a raw diet. I dont own a dehydrator either. I am saving for it though. I borrowed one for a couple of weeks and it was great to have it on hand. Hope you find something tasty~ Angela Tone <tone102 wrote: Hi Angela, Thanks so much for being so thoughtful and helping me out here. This is such a wonderful supportive group. When it was brought to my attention with the greens and the weight gain, to me that signaled all veggies. So then your suggestion would be okay? I don't have a dehydrator. The recipes that everyone makes in them sounds good but I am not one to go way out for myself and also not one to leave an appliance like that unattended. LOL If I want something, I want it now and not a day or two later But who knows, maybe someday. I thought that ACV was not acceptible on the raw diet? I have not used that in sooooo many years. I will pick up some little tomatoes and maybe a cucumber (not my fave but I can eat it) no bell pepper and definitely no seeds will go into my salad..lol Anyway, there is nowhere to find raw seeds around here though the supermarket has raw nuts...well I am sure everyone remembers my " blech " experience with the nut milk. And darn..lol what am I supposed to drink? The Italian in me loves my coffee and I drink a couple of glasses of water a day and that is pushing it. I'll do my best and see what I can pick up later on. Not really all that hungry after not eating for a couple of days anyway but know that it is not good so I will jiffy up something good. Thanks again Hon Hope you are having a great day Hugs, Tone Hey Tone~ If you are not wanting to eat greens, greens, and more greens..and are also not into fruit..how about a bowl of cherry tomatoes, sliced in half, with diced cucumber, diced bell pepper, red onion sliced thin, chunks of avocado, sunflower seeds, olive oil and apple cider vinegar with sea salt and black pepper? Also..do you own a dehydrator? I know what you mean about getting in a place where you are " stuck " and cant think of anything good sounding to eat! Take care Angela a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Good Morning Mary, I pray this finds you and your family well. Thankyou so much for your wonderful and long letter...lol Just kidding as my brain tends to process better paragraph by paragraph sometimes. So I will try and not be monotnous though I know I probably will I certainly started a topic here though...heh So you think I should go back to cooked veggies? Truthfully, though it is probably more in my mind, the thought is so undesirable. Not saying that I cannot do it but when something gets into my mind I get stubborn. Now only if I could do that with my cigs and morning coffee...well regarding the latter, what can I say: I like to be pleasant throughout the day as much as I can And Mare, you are telling me to drink the cooking water?? LOL I could not even handle the nut milk! cute.. When you say herbal broths, do you mean the cooking water of the veggies or using herbs are in a tea? Any particular suggestion? As for the assumption of decades of life. No Mary, I do not see even 10 years. When I stumbled apon the knowledge of raw foodism, I did not seek this out as a means of weight loss but a means of survival and to be here for a son that cannot care for himself. I suppose this will be mainly God's will. I want to address something else you said also and I believe Ariana discussed this with you: you mentioned " BM " after every eating? One of my biggest problems though I am not really complaining..lol but once a week is not unusual for me. I have had suggestions from other caring people when I brought up things regarding the Master Cleanse and was told to do water enemas. I still have not and not even sure if I will but I keep it in mind. As much as my mind will keep anyway. I like hot peppers, I love tomatoes and squash I have never had raw and have not had cooked in so long I simply cannot remember what it tasted like. Again, I love the knowledge, wisdom and support you share. I think I have another email to answer on my food sources...lol piece of cake on that one! Please share anything and everything as it comes to you as it does so help and I will try something. At this point I am just drinking coffee. Lost my appetite for everything. Have a beautiful day Mary and God Bless OH and you made me laugh with your post jokingly referencing your age. Yea, remember those dinosaurs and covered wagons...those were the days Hugs, Tone Tone, I suggest you take a few steps back and get used to eating cooked veggies again. Here is some info you might find interesting. a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Good Morning, Thankyou for responding as I assume this is to me because I am the one who initially started this topic...lol think I did anyway and dislike fruit. I do not own a vitamix nor see the possibility of owning one in this lifetime but I did try a smoothie and it was not a big hit at all. Actually made me sick to my stomach. No sources of recipes. I do not even own any books on raw though I wish I did but for now I do not. Basically, a head of greens , which lasts a week, a couple of tomatoes some lemon and whatever else I see at the time in the store that I just might like in my salad/ I thought that fermented foods were not good for us? I guess there is controversy on whether or not they are. What do you mean though when you say fermented foods? Green soup? Are you talking in a blender or juicer? I tried juicing greens and blech!! I have had many suggestions on throwing in fruits which I have not done. Juicing seems like such a waste to me. Produce is not cheap and when you need a ton of it to just get a little bit of juice, it just seems like a shame for all that waste but I would love to see your recipe if you would not mind sharing. So that is it basically, some greens, tomato, whatever else and some fresh lemon. No more breakfast time though. Salads are just not sitting well in the AM. I have not eaten for a few days now as I have really lost my appetite which for me is a good thing but I know not healthy. Thankyou so much for writing. I appreciate the support and suggestions. I am only one person so having a ton of different food which is not afforable to me anyway would be a waste but I am open to all suggestions. Right now I just have a normal blender and a food processor someone gave to me used with one disk and a blade and I have no clue as to use it or what to use it for..lol Thanks again Have a beautiful day Hugs, Tone How about blending the fruit in a Vitamix as a smoothie?? I rarely eat fruit but will drink it. As for boredom, what are your sources for recipes? Boutenko's books are good as she uses a 5-taste seasoning recipe: sweet, salty, sour, bitter, spicy. By adding a touch of all 5 tastes in any recipe you get depth that is very satisfying. Try is with any kind of recipe. It may be confusing to know which is what. The book by her kids lists what herbs and spices fall into which categories. What about fermented food? You need to have that. And green soup. And nut pates. As for the almond milk, even at the institute we did not drink it without dates added, and even vanilla. YOu need variety, and you need 'seasoning', a blending of tastes. Again, what are your sources of recipes? --a a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I've got a zillion raw recipes listed on my site from some fabulous raw chefs. www.fromsadtoraw.com The Mitcheners [spiritfire] Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:32 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hi Tone You said: No sources of recipes. I do not even own any books on raw though I wish I did but for now I do not. The Library is the way to get some of these books to study and learn about how to eat. My Library has several on eating raw. Try your library and if they don't have the books your looking for try inter library loan. Your local library will be able to do inter library loans.They can check the entire US for books. It is a possibility...... The net has many raw recipe suggestions. Buy a 99 cent notebook and a package of page protectors copy [either by hand or use a copier] the recipes from the books that you like borrowed from the libraryand put them in your notebook.I also copy charts of of things I llike.A chart of different types of veggies that are good to eat,types of nuts or grains to sprout and how long they take to sprout. Whatever you need to copy for your particular situation. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Hi Tone You said: No sources of recipes. I do not even own any books on raw though I wish I did but for now I do not. The Library is the way to get some of these books to study and learn about how to eat. My Library has several on eating raw. Try your library and if they don't have the books your looking for try inter library loan. Your local library will be able to do inter library loans.They can check the entire US for books. It is a possibility...... The net has many raw recipe suggestions. Buy a 99 cent notebook and a package of page protectors copy [either by hand or use a copier] the recipes from the books that you like borrowed from the libraryand put them in your notebook.I also copy charts of of things I llike.A chart of different types of veggies that are good to eat,types of nuts or grains to sprout and how long they take to sprout. Whatever you need to copy for your particular situation. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Mary wrote: " I get most of my protein from cold smoked Alaskan Salmon. " Mary, I am particularly interested in knowing why you have chosen smoked salmon for your protein. Do you buy it through Dr. Mercola's site? Thanks for your answer. Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hi Michelle, Thanks so much. I've been to your terrific site which by the way, you are doing fantastic! Congradulations on all your wonderful progress. I wasn't looking for recipes but asked what my source of recipes were. I don't have the kitchen gadgets and cannot be high maintenance. It was more of the issue of what to eat since I do not eat sweet fruit. I will now put that adjective before fruit when I use that statement Good Luck Hon Be Well hugs Tone a.. I've got a zillion raw recipes listed on my site from some fabulous raw chefs. www.fromsadtoraw.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Thanks Tone, I appreciate your kind remarks about the site and my progress. I misunderstood your post, so I apologize and thank you for clarifying! Your raw friend, Michelle Reeves www.FromSADtoRAW.com Tone [tone102] Thanks so much. I've been to your terrific site which by the way, you are doing fantastic! Congradulations on all your wonderful progress. I wasn't looking for recipes but asked what my source of recipes were. I don't have the kitchen gadgets and cannot be high maintenance. It was more of the issue of what to eat since I do not eat sweet fruit. I will now put that adjective before fruit when I use that statement Good Luck Hon Be Well hugs Tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Mary, I'm so glad you talk about these things. REally, some things are much better absorbed nutritionally when cooked. I've read that since we dont' have 4 stomachs we need cooking to breakdown the cellulose or whatever to digest it. Steve Meyerowitz is definitely a faw fooder, but he lists what vegetables we just cannot digest and need to cook. Beans in particular. I know some people brave eating them raw or just barely sprouted, but I appreciate the science of digestion and caution. Then, there is the famous " Bieler Broth " consisting of zuchinni, celery, green beans and parsley. The recipe calls for light boiling for 1/2 hour. I add the green beans and some zuchinni into the liquid when blending. I can tell you I get a definite energy lift when drinking this. I add thyme when cooking the veggies and lemon juice and Celtic sea salt right before consuming the soup in the bowl or glass. The recipe is from Bieler's book- Food is Your Best Medicine.-- anne rawfood , mary <marymassung> wrote: > > Herbs (stems, leaves, and flowers of plants) are > nature's healers. If you eat herbs raw, you get the > fiber but NOT the MEDICINAL benefit. Heat is needed to > extract the medicinal part of these plants. By gently > boiling herbs in water for about 30 minutes (or more), > the medicinal part of the plant is extracted from the > fibers into the water. Of course, if you throw away > the water, you lose. If you use this water (either to > drink or for a soup), you get the medicinal benefit. > > Simmering an herb is called making a decoction. In > the 'olden days', it was not unheard of to put several > herbs and roots in a pot of gently simmering water for > a period of time to extract the medicinal nutrients. > When the plants were soft, they were removed and the > broth was seasoned (with additional herbs) and let sit > for about 15 minutes (herbal infusion). The added > herbs are then strained out and the broth drunk! > > If your body is nutrient starved, this is an excellent > way to help heal and rebuild it. While you could also > eat the veggies that you simmered, keep in mind that > the nutrients are in the broth. One particular broth > is termed a 'potassium broth' because the veggies > simmered are high in potassium. It is used to treat > one form of arthritis. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Yesterday at Wal-Mart they had a dehydrator for $39.00,I plan on buying it a little later when the money flow is better.It look's well made and has a temp control which is important,in the meantime I'm borrowing my sister's Excaliber,but it's so big and takes up a lot of space. Shirl - Angela LaMonte rawfood Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:26 PM Re: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Hey Tone~ Hope things are going well for you today. I am Italian too, and somedays I get so nostalgic for my grandmother's pasta..It tasted like Love. It s hard to forget the artistry and passion that went into her cooked foods. But they make me feel bad. I thought ACV was the one vinegar that was ok on a raw diet. I dont own a dehydrator either. I am saving for it though. I borrowed one for a couple of weeks and it was great to have it on hand. Hope you find something tasty~ Angela Tone <tone102 wrote: Hi Angela, Thanks so much for being so thoughtful and helping me out here. This is such a wonderful supportive group. When it was brought to my attention with the greens and the weight gain, to me that signaled all veggies. So then your suggestion would be okay? I don't have a dehydrator. The recipes that everyone makes in them sounds good but I am not one to go way out for myself and also not one to leave an appliance like that unattended. LOL If I want something, I want it now and not a day or two later But who knows, maybe someday. I thought that ACV was not acceptible on the raw diet? I have not used that in sooooo many years. I will pick up some little tomatoes and maybe a cucumber (not my fave but I can eat it) no bell pepper and definitely no seeds will go into my salad..lol Anyway, there is nowhere to find raw seeds around here though the supermarket has raw nuts...well I am sure everyone remembers my " blech " experience with the nut milk. And darn..lol what am I supposed to drink? The Italian in me loves my coffee and I drink a couple of glasses of water a day and that is pushing it. I'll do my best and see what I can pick up later on. Not really all that hungry after not eating for a couple of days anyway but know that it is not good so I will jiffy up something good. Thanks again Hon Hope you are having a great day Hugs, Tone Hey Tone~ If you are not wanting to eat greens, greens, and more greens..and are also not into fruit..how about a bowl of cherry tomatoes, sliced in half, with diced cucumber, diced bell pepper, red onion sliced thin, chunks of avocado, sunflower seeds, olive oil and apple cider vinegar with sea salt and black pepper? Also..do you own a dehydrator? I know what you mean about getting in a place where you are " stuck " and cant think of anything good sounding to eat! Take care Angela a.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 I used to make raw butter all the time from a grass fed Jersey cow,also homemade cottage cheese,IT WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!! That was in my other life,,,pre-raw... shirl - Peter Gardiner rawfood Monday, May 03, 2004 11:29 PM RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight Angela, Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter hail? Peter . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Uh oh, don't get the raw VEGANS (to quote another author, " don't you know what the term vegan means " ) upset Shirl. Frankly, I find it funny when people talk about how they concoct raw animal products. I can just see your hands doing that milking thing on the underbelly of that cow. Where is Peter by the way, the other self-righteous dude, my soldier- in-arms, carrying the torch of pure raw foodism? Must be taking a break, hope to see him again soon here in cyberspace. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters rawfood , " Shirley " <docwhite@c...> wrote: > I used to make raw butter all the time from a grass fed Jersey cow,also homemade cottage cheese,IT WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!! > That was in my other life,,,pre-raw... > shirl > - > Peter Gardiner > rawfood > Monday, May 03, 2004 11:29 PM > RE: [Raw Food] eating greens and gaining weight > > > Angela, > > Raw butter sounds suspicious to me. From what source does your raw butter > hail? > > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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