Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > Pagan Federation > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Jo But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's Cathedral.... BB Peter - " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > Jo > > , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > something so ridiculous > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > Pagan Federation > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I’m not a Pagan (my family are Atheists, which may give Pagans a run for the money as most maligned Belief group), but all I can say is, Amen, Peter. This will be appropriate when I see a giant picture of “Homer” painted on the Vatican Walls. Cyn On Behalf Of metalscarab Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:47 AM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-Evans Pagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Cynthia I agree... Although I'm not sure that atheists have a patch on Pagans when it comes to being maligned. I'm not aware of anyone having their children taken away because they are atheist. I'm also not aware of anyone being sent to prison for being atheist (at least not in modern society). Both of these have happened in the UK in living memory, so I think atheists have some way to go to catch up with pagans. Incidentally, there have also been moves recently to re-introduce anti-witchcraft legislation, which would make a large chunk of paganism illegal... I haven't heard anything similar about making atheism illegal. BB Peter - ckg Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:21 PM RE: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I’m not a Pagan (my family are Atheists, which may give Pagans a run for the money as most maligned Belief group), but all I can say is, Amen, Peter. This will be appropriate when I see a giant picture of “Homer” painted on the Vatican Walls. Cyn On Behalf Of metalscarabWednesday, July 18, 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree...... The Valley Vegan................metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter ----- Original Message ----- Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant? I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now. But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule...... The Valley Vegan...............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi JoBut I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul'sCathedral....BBPeter-"heartwerk" <jo.heartwork >Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.>> Jo>> , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:> >> > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> temporary, so whats the problem?> >> >> >> > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> >> >> > Aerial footage> >> > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> something so ridiculous> >> >> > Ann Bryn-Evans> > Pagan Federation> >> > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> >> >> >> >> > Peter H> >> >> >> > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> sign up for your freeaccount today.> >>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Hi Peter It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree...... The Valley Vegan................metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Have to agree to disagree on that one... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree...... The Valley Vegan................metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hi Peter Fair enough... but you must see how the treatment of Pagan sensibilities by the media is generally done with derision, while other religions tend to get respect. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:07 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Have to agree to disagree on that one... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree...... The Valley Vegan................metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hi Peter That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock some things and not others!!! My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer vandalism. BB Jo , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Jo > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's > Cathedral.... > > BB > Peter > > - > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > Jo > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- based > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hi Peter You are certainly right about the lack of equality of respect. I really think that after yobs have seen Homer, and the Long 'Woman' they will think it funny to go and spoil other sacred sites. We already have had the Rollright stone circle vandalised three or four times. BB Jo , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Peter > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. > > BB > Peter > > > - > Peter VV > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > Aerial footage > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. > A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. > Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. > Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. > I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > Ann Bryn-Evans > Pagan Federation > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. > " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " > She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " > 'Different and unusual' > It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. > Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. > " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " > During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. > There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > Peter H > > > > -- ---------- > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hi Peter I also know of someone who lost their job as a teacher when it was found out they were a Pagan. BB Jo , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Cynthia > > I agree... > > Although I'm not sure that atheists have a patch on Pagans when it comes to being maligned. I'm not aware of anyone having their children taken away because they are atheist. I'm also not aware of anyone being sent to prison for being atheist (at least not in modern society). Both of these have happened in the UK in living memory, so I think atheists have some way to go to catch up with pagans. Incidentally, there have also been moves recently to re-introduce anti-witchcraft legislation, which would make a large chunk of paganism illegal... I haven't heard anything similar about making atheism illegal. > > BB > Peter > - > ckg > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:21 PM > RE: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > I'm not a Pagan (my family are Atheists, which may give Pagans a run for the money as most maligned Belief group), but all I can say is, > > > > Amen, Peter. > > > > This will be appropriate when I see a giant picture of " Homer " painted on the Vatican Walls. > > > > Cyn > > > > > -- ---------- > > On Behalf Of metalscarab > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:47 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > Hi Peter > > > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > - > > Peter VV > > > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. > > A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. > > Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. > > Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. > > > I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > Pagan Federation > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > > Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. > > " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " > > She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " > > 'Different and unusual' > > It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. > > Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. > > " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " > > During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. > > There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > Peter H > > > > > -- -------- > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Maybe the hoardings are next to the mosque or church because they are all in towns - not necessarily placed next to the mosque or church on purpose. Obviously Homer was painted as near to The Giant as possible otherwise he would have been in one of the many thousand other fields somewhere else in the country. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01.t21 wrote: > > I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the " man " in any way I would agree...... > > The Valley Vegan................ > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Peter > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. > > BB > Peter > > > - > Peter VV > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > Pagan Federation > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 That's the problem, you see. It is a religious site to Pagans. Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant? > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now. > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule...... > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Jo > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's > Cathedral.... > > BB > Peter > > - > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > Jo > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I don't see how you can disagree with it. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Have to agree to disagree on that one... > > The Valley Vegan............. > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Peter > > It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money. > > BB > Peter > - > Peter VV > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the " man " in any way I would agree...... > > The Valley Vegan................ > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Peter > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. > > BB > Peter > > > - > Peter VV > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > Pagan Federation > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > Peter H > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Oh yes I do agree, its not generally thought of as a religion I dont think...... The Valley Vegan.........metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Fair enough... but you must see how the treatment of Pagan sensibilities by the media is generally done with derision, while other religions tend to get respect. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:07 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Have to agree to disagree on that one... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money. BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree...... The Valley Vegan................metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem? There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant Aerial footage Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous Ann Bryn-EvansPagan Federation The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. 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Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I can disagree with what I like , its my right. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I don't see how you can disagree with it.Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Have to agree to disagree on that one...> > The Valley Vegan.............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Peter> > It's to do with the positioning. It is *using* a sacred site as an advertisement. It didn't randomly happen to be in the next field - it was placed in the next field precisely because of it's position in relation to the sacred site. I bet they haven't used any other religion in the same way - I don't recall seeing an article showing an image of Homer next to a crucifix in St Paul's Cathedral. If there happened to be an adviertising hoarding near the site which they had used, it would be exactly the same as using an advertising hoarding near a church. It is clearly not the same thing, as one is using places which are designed as advertising space, the other is abusing a sacred site, and showing contempt for people's spiritual feelings, in order to make money.> > BB> Peter> - > Peter VV > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:41 PM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > I just dont see it being the same, its not on the same site, its on a piece of land next to it in a different field, so I dont see the comparison to vandalising a mosque or church. There are plenty of churches next to advertising hoardings/signs, so to me its the same thing. If they had done it in the same field or altered the "man" in any way I would agree......> > The Valley Vegan................> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Peter> > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money.> > BB> Peter> > > - > Peter VV > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem?> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> Pagan Federation> > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.>Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > ----- Original Message -----> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Why would they sack someone for that? were they sacrificing virgins in the classroom or something? trying to subverse their education..........seems daft to me? As long as they kept their beliefs to themselves what harm were they doing?? The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi PeterI also know of someone who lost their job as a teacher when it was found out they were a Pagan.BBJo , "metalscarab" <metalscarab wrote:>> Hi Cynthia> > I agree...> > Although I'm not sure that atheists have a patch on Pagans when it comes to being maligned. I'm not aware of anyone having their children taken away because they are atheist. I'm also not aware of anyone being sent to prison for being atheist (at least not in modern society). Both of these have happened in the UK in living memory, so I think atheists have some way to go to catch up with pagans. Incidentally, there have also been moves recently to re-introduce anti-witchcraft legislation, which would make a large chunk of paganism illegal... I haven't heard anything similar about making atheism illegal.> > BB> Peter> - > ckg > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:21 PM> RE: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > I'm not a Pagan (my family are Atheists, which may give Pagans a run for the money as most maligned Belief group), but all I can say is,> > > > Amen, Peter.> > > > This will be appropriate when I see a giant picture of "Homer" painted on the Vatican Walls.> > > > Cyn> > > > > --> > On Behalf Of metalscarab> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:47 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > Hi Peter> > > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money.> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > > > - > > Peter VV > > > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only temporary, so whats the problem?> > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > > Aerial footage > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne Abbas giant. > > A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new Simpsons film. > > Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. > > Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids fertility. > > > I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> Pagan Federation> > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > > Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed my mind. > > "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash it away." > > She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest." > > 'Different and unusual' > > It is not the first time the giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. > > Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. > > "I think it is different and unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson is." > > During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. > > There is debate among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today.>Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi PeterThat is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock some things and not others!!!My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer vandalism.BBJo , "metalscarab" <metalscarab wrote:>> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 from wiki Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Layout of the giant as seen from directly above The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. Contents[hide] 1 History 2 Appearance 3 Publicity Stunts 4 References 5 See also 6 External links [edit] History Detail of the phallus and legs Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. [edit] Appearance Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. Peter VV Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: from wiki Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Layout of the giant as seen from directly above The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. Contents[hide] 1 History 2 Appearance 3 Publicity Stunts 4 References 5 See also 6 External links [edit] History Detail of the phallus and legs Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. [edit] Appearance Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. Peter VV Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I don't know Peter. As far as I am aware Pagans are not known for sacrificing any people or animals. I presume you mean he should not preach his religion to the children, not that he should completely hide the fact that he was Pagan. After all, we wouldn't expect a vegan to preach veganism in class, but also we wouldn't expect them to have to hide the fact that they are vegan, would we? Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Why would they sack someone for that? were they sacrificing virgins in the classroom or something? trying to subverse their education..........seems daft to me? As long as they kept their beliefs to themselves what harm were they doing?? > > The Valley Vegan............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > Hi Peter > > I also know of someone who lost their job as a teacher when it was > found out they were a Pagan. > > BB > Jo > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Cynthia > > > > I agree... > > > > Although I'm not sure that atheists have a patch on Pagans when it > comes to being maligned. I'm not aware of anyone having their > children taken away because they are atheist. I'm also not aware of > anyone being sent to prison for being atheist (at least not in modern > society). Both of these have happened in the UK in living memory, so > I think atheists have some way to go to catch up with pagans. > Incidentally, there have also been moves recently to re-introduce > anti-witchcraft legislation, which would make a large chunk of > paganism illegal... I haven't heard anything similar about making > atheism illegal. > > > > BB > > Peter > > - > > ckg > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:21 PM > > RE: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away > Homer > > > > > > I'm not a Pagan (my family are Atheists, which may give Pagans a > run for the money as most maligned Belief group), but all I can say > is, > > > > > > > > Amen, Peter. > > > > > > > > This will be appropriate when I see a giant picture of " Homer " > painted on the Vatican Walls. > > > > > > > > Cyn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > On Behalf Of metalscarab > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:47 AM > > > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > > Hi Peter > > > > > > > > I dunno - I guess it's funny if you consider consumerism to be > more important than spirituality. I wonder how the Archbishop of > Canterbury would act if a giant Homer was painted on his cathedral? > Or how offensive it would be if one was painted on the side of a > mosque, or a synagogue? But because it's a pagan sacred site, it's > just a bit of fun, and no-one can see a problem. The problem is to do > with equality of respect... which we simply don't get. That, and the > use of sites which have particular spiritual meaning to some people > being used by others as a cheap gimmick to make more money. > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Peter VV > > > > > > > > Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:13 PM > > > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away > Homer > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas > Giant > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away > a cartoon character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - > the Cerne Abbas giant. > > > > A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next to > the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the new > Simpsons film. > > > > Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the naked, > sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient spirituality. > > > > Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > fertility. > > > > > > I'm amazed they got permission to do something so > ridiculous > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > Pagan Federation > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with > water-based biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it > rains. > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The > Pagan Federation, said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I > think I have changed my mind. > > > > " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash it away. " > > > > She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific interest. " > > > > 'Different and unusual' > > > > It is not the first time the giant has been used to > advertise products. He has been used to promote items as diverse as > condoms, jeans and bicycles. > > > > Mike Webb, landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said > his staff were amused by the temporary addition to the village. > > > > " I think it is different and unusual, " he said. " We've > not heard any complaints here so far, but I'm not sure many of the > local people will know who Homer Simpson is. " > > > > During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised to > prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular > grass trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. > > > > There is debate among experts about when the giant was > created varying from thousands of years ago to as recently as the > 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > -------- > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, sign up for your free account today. > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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