Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I don't think the origins are known. It is just something people have chosen as a religious symbol - much like any other religions symbols. Talking of peaceful symbols - the one with the dead man nailed to a cross with blood dripping down - now there's a peaceful symbol if ever there was one :-) Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > That's the problem, you see. > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > help them become pregnant! > > > Jo > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would > then fall pregnant? > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > british weather its probably gone by now. > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 It's an association of ideas in some people. " Let's go and draw something funny next to another religious symbol, like Homer or the Long Woman " and of course some people leave out the 'next to' and spoil an ancient place. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > Hi Peter > > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!! > > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism. > > BB > Jo > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- > based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 It is a religious symbol. Why would it have to be over a certain age to be one? There are many hunters as religious symbols - Diana, Leonidas, Artemis and our own Herne. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? > Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? > > The Valley Vegan............. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > from wiki > Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above > > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. > Contents[hide] > > 1 History > 2 Appearance > 3 Publicity Stunts > 4 References > 5 See also > 6 External links > > [edit] History > Detail of the phallus and legs > > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the " Trendle " or " Frying Pan " ; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. > > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance > > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as " England's Hercules " by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. > > [edit] Appearance > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed > > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] > Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut. [2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. > > > > > > Peter VV > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > That's the problem, you see. > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > help them become pregnant! > > > Jo > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would > then fall pregnant? > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > british weather its probably gone by now. > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hi Peter Some people do consider it to be a site of spiritual interest. The tradition that I most associate myself with didn't exist until the early 1980s - does that make it any less important or worthy of respect than one which has been around for several centuries or millenia? If older is better, then why aren't Kermetics (Egyptian recreationists - not frog worshippers!) held in the highest esteem? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:16 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: from wiki Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Layout of the giant as seen from directly above The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. Contents[hide] 1 History 2 Appearance 3 Publicity Stunts 4 References 5 See also 6 External links [edit] History Detail of the phallus and legs Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. [edit] Appearance Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. Peter VV Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 My college professor told me to never rely on wikipedia because more times then none she has found it to be wrong. She told us for that reason, not to use it as a reference on our college papers. It's not totally factual. I'll beleive a college professor over anyone else. , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? > Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? > > The Valley Vegan............. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > from wiki > Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above > > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. > Contents[hide] > > 1 History > 2 Appearance > 3 Publicity Stunts > 4 References > 5 See also > 6 External links > > [edit] History > Detail of the phallus and legs > > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the " Trendle " or " Frying Pan " ; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. > > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance > > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as " England's Hercules " by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. > > [edit] Appearance > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed > > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] > Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut. [2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. > > > > > > Peter VV > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > That's the problem, you see. > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > help them become pregnant! > > > Jo > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would > then fall pregnant? > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > british weather its probably gone by now. > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 It is a valid point, that Wikipedia can be added to and changed by anyone, so there's no guarantee that the information is going to be accurate (or even close). I have read in other places that many of the chalk drawings on hillsides are only around 400 years old - it was based on some research done in which they dated some of the materials found directly underneath the chalk. However, I've not looked into it in any great detail, as it's not something I'm particularly interested in knowing the answer to, as I don't really think the age is particularly relevant. BB Peter - " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat Friday, July 20, 2007 10:57 AM Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > My college professor told me to never rely on wikipedia because more > times then none she has found it to be wrong. > > She told us for that reason, not to use it as a reference on our > college papers. > > It's not totally factual. > > I'll beleive a college professor over anyone else. > > , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does > that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? > > Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > from wiki > > Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > Jump to: navigation, search > > > > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above > > > > > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a > hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester > in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) > wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best > viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The > carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same > depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the > underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club > 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. > > Contents[hide] > > > > 1 History > > 2 Appearance > > 3 Publicity Stunts > > 4 References > > 5 See also > > 6 External links > > > > [edit] History > > Detail of the phallus and legs > > > > > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English > countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient > creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be > traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin > during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right > of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the " Trendle " or " Frying > Pan " ; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but > make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was > probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note > in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably > prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and > recorded by medieval authors. > > > > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance > > > > > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a > record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 > shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by > references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to > Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It > is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of > the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been > speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was > sometimes mockingly referred to as " England's Hercules " by his > enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent > discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin > (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the > hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and > marked him out on the hillside. > > > > [edit] Appearance > > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) > reconstructed > > > > > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis > and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a > maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would > dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known > to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might > have a child.[1] > > Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found > that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. > According to these findings, the free arm should have held a > depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the > giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with > the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested > that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle > representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut. > [2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing > (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 > inches) on the average male frame. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter VV > > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away > Homer > > > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on > the giant phalanx? > > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious > icon is it some kind of war god? > > > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > > That's the problem, you see. > > > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > > help them become pregnant! > > > > > > Jo > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where > women > > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they > would > > then fall pregnant? > > > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > > british weather its probably gone by now. > > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > Hi Jo > > > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > > St Paul's > > > Cathedral.... > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > - > > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm > has > > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > > cartoon > > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > > Cerne > > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next > > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote > the > > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- > based > > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann > > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > > Federation, > > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > > changed > > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > > wash > > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > > Webb, > > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > > amused by > > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > > and > > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > > but > > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer > Simpson > > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > > thousands > > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > > less, > > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 It's not peer reviewed, and anyone can enter information. However, I often use it as a beginning source, just to get ideas, for a speech class I'm taking. Then of course I check out the information independently. That's the best use of that site as far as I'm concerned. You NEVER cite Wikipedia as a reference on a paper. > " metalscarab " <metalscarab > > >Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer >Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:42:04 +0100 > >It is a valid point, that Wikipedia can be added to and changed by anyone, >so there's no guarantee that the information is going to be accurate (or >even close). > >I have read in other places that many of the chalk drawings on hillsides >are >only around 400 years old - it was based on some research done in which >they >dated some of the materials found directly underneath the chalk. However, >I've not looked into it in any great detail, as it's not something I'm >particularly interested in knowing the answer to, as I don't really think >the age is particularly relevant. > >BB >Peter > >- > " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat > >Friday, July 20, 2007 10:57 AM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > My college professor told me to never rely on wikipedia because more > > times then none she has found it to be wrong. > > > > She told us for that reason, not to use it as a reference on our > > college papers. > > > > It's not totally factual. > > > > I'll beleive a college professor over anyone else. > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > > > So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does > > that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? > > > Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > from wiki > > > Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > > Jump to: navigation, search > > > > > > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above > > > > > > > > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a > > hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester > > in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) > > wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best > > viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The > > carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same > > depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the > > underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club > > 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. > > > Contents[hide] > > > > > > 1 History > > > 2 Appearance > > > 3 Publicity Stunts > > > 4 References > > > 5 See also > > > 6 External links > > > > > > [edit] History > > > Detail of the phallus and legs > > > > > > > > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English > > countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient > > creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be > > traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin > > during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right > > of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the " Trendle " or " Frying > > Pan " ; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but > > make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was > > probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note > > in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably > > prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and > > recorded by medieval authors. > > > > > > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance > > > > > > > > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a > > record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 > > shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by > > references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to > > Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It > > is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of > > the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been > > speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was > > sometimes mockingly referred to as " England's Hercules " by his > > enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent > > discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin > > (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the > > hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and > > marked him out on the hillside. > > > > > > [edit] Appearance > > > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) > > reconstructed > > > > > > > > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis > > and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a > > maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would > > dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known > > to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might > > have a child.[1] > > > Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found > > that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. > > According to these findings, the free arm should have held a > > depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the > > giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with > > the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested > > that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle > > representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut. > > [2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing > > (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 > > inches) on the average male frame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter VV > > > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away > > Homer > > > > > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on > > the giant phalanx? > > > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious > > icon is it some kind of war god? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > That's the problem, you see. > > > > > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > > > > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > > > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > > > help them become pregnant! > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > > > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where > > women > > > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they > > would > > > then fall pregnant? > > > > > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > > > british weather its probably gone by now. > > > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > > > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jo > > > > > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > > > St Paul's > > > > Cathedral.... > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > - > > > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm > > has > > > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > > > cartoon > > > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > > > Cerne > > > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > > next > > > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote > > the > > > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- > > based > > > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > > Ann > > > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > > > Federation, > > > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > > > changed > > > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > > > wash > > > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > > > Webb, > > > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > > > amused by > > > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > > > and > > > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > > > but > > > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer > > Simpson > > > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > > > thousands > > > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > > > less, > > > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 LOL! And Neptune has that scary looking trident...even Cupid has arrows. It seems to me that gods, especially ancient ones, USUALLY carry some kind of weapon or other obvious symbol of authority, just like kings do. > " metalscarab " <metalscarab > > >Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer >Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:16:52 +0100 > >Hi Peter > >Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for >instance???? > >BB >Peter > - > Peter VV > > Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant >phalanx? > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon >is it some kind of war god? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > That's the problem, you see. > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > help them become pregnant! > > > Jo > > , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would > then fall pregnant? > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > british weather its probably gone by now. > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Just trying to get an idea from someone who knows more about it than me. In terms of importance, if only 400 years old, then I would not think it very high on the scale of pagan sites?, and less important than authentic ancient sites? thee must be 100`s of ancient sites? This doesnt seem that important to me, but then I am not a believer. I would imagine if someone had damaged it there would have been an outcry, but as there was no direct damage it was just a second rate news item.Probably just as well. The Valley Vegan..............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Some people do consider it to be a site of spiritual interest. The tradition that I most associate myself with didn't exist until the early 1980s - does that make it any less important or worthy of respect than one which has been around for several centuries or millenia? If older is better, then why aren't Kermetics (Egyptian recreationists - not frog worshippers!) held in the highest esteem? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:16 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: from wiki Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Layout of the giant as seen from directly above The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. Contents[hide] 1 History 2 Appearance 3 Publicity Stunts 4 References 5 See also 6 External links [edit] History Detail of the phallus and legs Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. [edit] Appearance Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. Peter VV Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I think that guys image refers to him dying for christians sins, not gloryfying nailing people to two pieces of wood ( as you probably know!), as opposed to hunting animals...... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 So is the image a religious image ( i.e. a copy of an older gods image - if so whats his name? ) or was it "invented" for want of a better word, when carved into the hillside 400 years ago ( they wouldnt get away with it these days!) I think those others you mention are a lot older than this carving? The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: It is a religious symbol. Why would it have to be over a certain age to be one?There are many hunters as religious symbols - Diana, Leonidas, Artemis and our own Herne.Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly?> Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right?> > The Valley Vegan.............> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> from wiki> Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search> > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above> > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long.> Contents[hide]> > 1 History > 2 Appearance > 3 Publicity Stunts > 4 References > 5 See also > 6 External links > > [edit] History > Detail of the phallus and legs> > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors.> > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance> > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside.> > [edit] Appearance > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed> > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1]> Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame.> > > > > > Peter VV > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx?> Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> That's the problem, you see.> > It is a religious site to Pagans.> > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > help them become pregnant! > > > Jo> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would > then fall pregnant?> > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > british weather its probably gone by now.> > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > fair game for ridicule......> > > > > > The Valley Vegan...............> > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote:> > Hi Jo> > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's> > Cathedral....> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > -> > "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@>> > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > > temporary, so whats the problem?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > >> > > >> > > > Aerial footage> > > >> > > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a > cartoon> > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne> > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous> > > >> > > >> > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > > Pagan Federation> > > >> > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation,> > > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed> > > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash> > > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb,> > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by> > > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different > and> > > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but> > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands> > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Peter H> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less,> > > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 By the same arguement, some might say that someone "spoilt" an ancient place 400 years ago by carving the image in the lovely green hillside in the first place! The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: It's an association of ideas in some people. "Let's go and draw something funny next to another religious symbol, like Homer or the Long Woman" and of course some people leave out the 'next to' and spoil an ancient place.Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> Hi Peter> > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!!> > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism.> > BB> Jo> > , "metalscarab" <metalscarab@> > wrote:> >> > Hi Jo> > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's> > Cathedral....> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > -> > "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@>> > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > > temporary, so whats the problem?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > >> > > >> > > > Aerial footage> > > >> > > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a > cartoon> > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne> > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next> > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous> > > >> > > >> > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > > Pagan Federation> > > >> > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-> based> > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann> > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation,> > > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed> > > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash> > > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the> > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb,> > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by> > > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different > and> > > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but> > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands> > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Peter H> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less,> > > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Hi Peter I think where you're misunderstanding is what Pagans consider sacred. While there are some Pagans who will consider the antiquity of a site to be important, they're in a minority. Most of us will consider somewhere special to us as individuals to be sacred, regardless of how long they've been there (I know many who have sacred vegetable patches). I think it's a misunderstanding of Paganism to think that we're always trying to look back to the dim and distant past for our spiritual roots. BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 6:54 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Just trying to get an idea from someone who knows more about it than me. In terms of importance, if only 400 years old, then I would not think it very high on the scale of pagan sites?, and less important than authentic ancient sites? thee must be 100`s of ancient sites? This doesnt seem that important to me, but then I am not a believer. I would imagine if someone had damaged it there would have been an outcry, but as there was no direct damage it was just a second rate news item.Probably just as well. The Valley Vegan..............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Some people do consider it to be a site of spiritual interest. The tradition that I most associate myself with didn't exist until the early 1980s - does that make it any less important or worthy of respect than one which has been around for several centuries or millenia? If older is better, then why aren't Kermetics (Egyptian recreationists - not frog worshippers!) held in the highest esteem? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:16 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: from wiki Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Layout of the giant as seen from directly above The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. Contents[hide] 1 History 2 Appearance 3 Publicity Stunts 4 References 5 See also 6 External links [edit] History Detail of the phallus and legs Like several other chalk figures carved into the English countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the "Trendle" or "Frying Pan"; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and recorded by medieval authors. The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was sometimes mockingly referred to as "England's Hercules" by his enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and marked him out on the hillside. [edit] Appearance Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) reconstructed Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might have a child.[1] Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. According to these findings, the free arm should have held a depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut.[2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 inches) on the average male frame. Peter VV Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Hi Peter It still glorifies death, and, whether originally intended or not, it has been used as a symbol to incite people to fairly haenous acts... crusades, inquisitions, etc... BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 6:57 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I think that guys image refers to him dying for christians sins, not gloryfying nailing people to two pieces of wood ( as you probably know!), as opposed to hunting animals...... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Hi Peter They might - but since we don't have any records of whether or not people considered it a sacred place 400 years ago, the argument seems a little redundant. BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 7:05 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer By the same arguement, some might say that someone "spoilt" an ancient place 400 years ago by carving the image in the lovely green hillside in the first place! The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: It's an association of ideas in some people. "Let's go and draw something funny next to another religious symbol, like Homer or the Long Woman" and of course some people leave out the 'next to' and spoil an ancient place.Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> Hi Peter> > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!!> > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism.> > BB> Jo> > , "metalscarab" <metalscarab@> > wrote:> >> > Hi Jo> > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's> > Cathedral....> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > -> > "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@>> > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > > temporary, so whats the problem?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > >> > > >> > > > Aerial footage> > > >> > > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a > cartoon> > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne> > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next> > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous> > > >> > > >> > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > > Pagan Federation> > > >> > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-> based> > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann> > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation,> > > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed> > > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash> > > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the> > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb,> > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by> > > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different > and> > > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but> > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands> > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Peter H> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less,> > > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 OK. Everyone is being nice, professional, kind and I appreciate it. I appreciate the tone of the list, and thanks. That said: BAM! BAM! ß <Sound of atheist list member beating head against the wall) Could we all just respect each other’s sacred stuff????? <pantpantpant> Cyn <The above is not meant in any way to annoy, irritate, or offend. I just felt like my head was going to explode.> On Behalf Of metalscarab Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:31 AM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Hi Peter It still glorifies death, and, whether originally intended or not, it has been used as a symbol to incite people to fairly haenous acts... crusades, inquisitions, etc... BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 6:57 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I think that guys image refers to him dying for christians sins, not gloryfying nailing people to two pieces of wood ( as you probably know!), as opposed to hunting animals...... The Valley Vegan............. metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan.............. heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see. It is a religious site to Pagans. Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant? > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now. > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule...... > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Jo > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's > Cathedral.... > > BB > Peter > > - > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > Jo > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a cartoon > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation, > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb, > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different and > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, but > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 whether it's vandalism or defacement, the point to me would be that a joke isn't funny if only one side is laughing. although I don't adhere to a particular religion, I must uphold reverence to those whom have a personal particular belief different from mine. As much as abhor the religious zealots which surround me I would consider it an offense if their religious site were desecrated, due to the principle. -anouk , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > Hi Peter > > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!! > > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism. > > BB > Jo > > , " metalscarab " <metalscarab@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Jo > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's > > Cathedral.... > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > - > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > cartoon > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- > based > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation, > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb, > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > and > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less, > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 The guy who owns wikipedia, is aware of the fact that they are not being taken seriously. He was recently on PBS stating that they are doing something about this by enforcing a new rigorous and efficient plan which updates their websites continuously by expanding and employing well-versed experts who come to conclusions about a particular subject only after careful debate and comparisons. -anouk , " metalscarab " <metalscarab wrote: > > It is a valid point, that Wikipedia can be added to and changed by anyone, > so there's no guarantee that the information is going to be accurate (or > even close). > > I have read in other places that many of the chalk drawings on hillsides are > only around 400 years old - it was based on some research done in which they > dated some of the materials found directly underneath the chalk. However, > I've not looked into it in any great detail, as it's not something I'm > particularly interested in knowing the answer to, as I don't really think > the age is particularly relevant. > > BB > Peter > > - > " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat > > Friday, July 20, 2007 10:57 AM > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > My college professor told me to never rely on wikipedia because more > > times then none she has found it to be wrong. > > > > She told us for that reason, not to use it as a reference on our > > college papers. > > > > It's not totally factual. > > > > I'll beleive a college professor over anyone else. > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > So its not ancient then , only 17th century? and a hunter? does > > that still make it a religious icon or a modern folly? > > > Cmon Peter you are the Pagan expert, is wiki right? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > from wiki > > > Cerne Abbas giant From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > > Jump to: navigation, search > > > > > > Layout of the giant as seen from directly above > > > > > > > > > The Cerne Abbas giant is a hill figure of a giant naked man on a > > hillside near the village of Cerne Abbas to the north of Dorchester > > in Dorset, England. The 55 metre (180 foot) high, 51 metre (167 foot) > > wide figure is carved into the side of a steep hill and is best > > viewed from the opposite side of the valley or from the air. The > > carving is formed by a trench 30cm (1 foot) wide and about the same > > depth which has been cut through the grass and earth into the > > underlying chalk. In his right hand the giant holds a knobbed club > > 36.5 metres (120 feet) long. > > > Contents[hide] > > > > > > 1 History > > > 2 Appearance > > > 3 Publicity Stunts > > > 4 References > > > 5 See also > > > 6 External links > > > > > > [edit] History > > > Detail of the phallus and legs > > > > > > > > > Like several other chalk figures carved into the English > > countryside, the Cerne Abbas giant is often thought of as an ancient > > creation. Like many of the other figures, its history cannot be > > traced back further than the late 17th century, making an origin > > during the Celtic or Roman periods unlikely. Above and to the right > > of the Giant's head is an earthwork known as the " Trendle " or " Frying > > Pan " ; medieval writings refer to this location as 'Trendle Hill' but > > make no mention of the giant, leading to the conclusion that it was > > probably only carved about 400 years ago. It is interesting to note > > in this regard that the Uffington White Horse (an unquestionably > > prehistoric hill figure on the Berkshire Downs) was noticed and > > recorded by medieval authors. > > > > > > The Cerne Abbas Giant seen from a distance > > > > > > > > > The earliest written reference to the Giant was made in 1694 in a > > record for payment in the Cerne Abbas churchwarden's accounts of 3 > > shillings toward the re-cutting of the giant. This was followed by > > references in 1742, and in 1751, John Hutchins wrote in his Guide to > > Dorset that the carving had only been done the previous century. It > > is now believed that it was probably made by servants of the Lord of > > the Manor Denzil Holles during the English Civil War. There has been > > speculation that the figure is a parody of Oliver Cromwell, who was > > sometimes mockingly referred to as " England's Hercules " by his > > enemies; the Hercules connection is strengthened by the recent > > discovery of an obliterated line perhaps representing an animal skin > > (see below). A local legend says that a real giant was killed on the > > hill and that the people from Cerne Abbas drew round the figure and > > marked him out on the hillside. > > > > > > [edit] Appearance > > > Layout of the giant with the obliterated line (in yellow) > > reconstructed > > > > > > > > > Very much a phallic symbol because of the distinct erect penis > > and testicles, for hundreds of years it was local custom to erect a > > maypole within the earthwork about which childless couples would > > dance to promote fertility and even today childless couples are known > > to visit the site in order to copulate in the hope that they might > > have a child.[1] > > > Recently, a group of archaeologists using special equipment found > > that part of the carving had been allowed to be obliterated. > > According to these findings, the free arm should have held a > > depiction of an animal's skin, giving credence to the theory that the > > giant was a depiction of a hunter or, alternatively, Heracles with > > the skin of the Nemean Lion over his arm. It has also been suggested > > that his large erection is in fact a result of merging a circle > > representing his navel with a smaller penis during a Victorian re-cut. > > [2] Because the erect penis is 15% the length of the drawing > > (excluding the club), the penis length would equal roughly 26cm (10.5 > > inches) on the average male frame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter VV > > > Jul 19, 2007 3:41 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away > > Homer > > > > > > What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on > > the giant phalanx? > > > Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious > > icon is it some kind of war god? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > That's the problem, you see. > > > > > > It is a religious site to Pagans. > > > > > > Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is > > > similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to > > > help them become pregnant! > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of > > > knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where > > women > > > went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they > > would > > > then fall pregnant? > > > > > > > > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the > > > british weather its probably gone by now. > > > > But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are > > > fair game for ridicule...... > > > > > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jo > > > > > > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > > > St Paul's > > > > Cathedral.... > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > - > > > > " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM > > > > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer > > > > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm > > has > > > > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man. > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only > > > > > temporary, so whats the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aerial footage > > > > > > > > > > > > Pagans have pledged to perform " rain magic " to wash away a > > > cartoon > > > > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > > > Cerne > > > > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > > next > > > > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote > > the > > > > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the > > > > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient > > > > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids > > > > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > > something so ridiculous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann Bryn-Evans > > > > > > Pagan Federation > > > > > > > > > > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water- > > based > > > > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > > Ann > > > > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > > > Federation, > > > > > said: " We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > > > changed > > > > > my mind. " We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > > > wash > > > > > it away. " She added: " I'm amazed they got permission to do > > > > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific > > > > > interest. " 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the > > > > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to > > > > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > > > Webb, > > > > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > > > amused by > > > > > the temporary addition to the village. " I think it is different > > > and > > > > > unusual, " he said. " We've not heard any complaints here so far, > > > but > > > > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer > > Simpson > > > > > is. " During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised > > > > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark. > > > > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass > > > > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate > > > > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > > > thousands > > > > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > > > less, > > > > > sign up for your freeaccount today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I agree, I don't think the issue is about Paganism per se, rather the big picture is why is it ok to offend one group. , " ckg " <cynthiaandtheothers wrote: > > OK. > > > > Everyone is being nice, professional, kind and I appreciate it. I > appreciate the tone of the list, and thanks. > > > > That said: > > > > BAM! BAM! <-- <Sound of atheist list member beating head against the wall) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I agree with you totally, the point is their site wasnt desecrated was it ? it was a field next door. And you will never find two people with exactly the same tastes in humour/beliefs....there will always be some differences.. The Valley Vegan........... flower child <zurumato wrote: whether it's vandalism or defacement, the point to me would be that a joke isn't funny if only one side is laughing. although I don't adhere to a particular religion, I must upholdreverence to those whom have a personal particular belief differentfrom mine. As much as abhor the religious zealots which surround me I wouldconsider it an offense if their religious site were desecrated, due to the principle. -anouk , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it wasin a field next to it?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> Hi Peter> > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!!> > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism.> > BB> Jo> > , "metalscarab" <metalscarab@> > wrote:> >> > Hi Jo> > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's> > Cathedral....> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > -> > "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@>> > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > > temporary, so whats the problem?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > >> > > >> > > > Aerial footage> > > >> > > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a > cartoon> > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne> > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next> > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous> > > >> > > >> > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > > Pagan Federation> > > >> > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-> based> > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann> > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation,> > > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed> > > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash> > > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the> > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb,> > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by> > > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different > and> > > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but> > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands> > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Peter H> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less,> > > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Nice to have honest opinions, I respect that. The Valley Vegan..........ckg <cynthiaandtheothers wrote: OK. Everyone is being nice, professional, kind and I appreciate it. I appreciate the tone of the list, and thanks. That said: BAM! BAM! ß <Sound of atheist list member beating head against the wall) Could we all just respect each other’s sacred stuff????? <pantpantpant> Cyn <The above is not meant in any way to annoy, irritate, or offend. I just felt like my head was going to explode.> On Behalf Of metalscarabSaturday, July 21, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer Hi Peter It still glorifies death, and, whether originally intended or not, it has been used as a symbol to incite people to fairly haenous acts... crusades, inquisitions, etc... BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 6:57 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I think that guys image refers to him dying for christians sins, not gloryfying nailing people to two pieces of wood ( as you probably know!), as opposed to hunting animals...... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I never said the place was sacred, read it again, my words were "lovely green hill side" and by carving into it would be classed as vandalism in todays standards? Perhaps if the owner of the field next to this carving, had a giant crucifix carved into it, would that still be offensive to the people who have considered this site sacred in the last 400 years? Or would one carving be as valid as the next? and not considered as offensive? Just food for thought.... The Valley Vegan............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter They might - but since we don't have any records of whether or not people considered it a sacred place 400 years ago, the argument seems a little redundant. BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 7:05 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer By the same arguement, some might say that someone "spoilt" an ancient place 400 years ago by carving the image in the lovely green hillside in the first place! The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: It's an association of ideas in some people. "Let's go and draw something funny next to another religious symbol, like Homer or the Long Woman" and of course some people leave out the 'next to' and spoil an ancient place.Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I still dont see it as vandalism, it didnt touch the giant, it was in a field next to it?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> Hi Peter> > That is a very good question to ask - obviously it is okay to mock > some things and not others!!!> > My thoughts last night were that what with Trinny & Susannah changing > the Long Man into a woman, and then Homer right next to The Giant, it > won't be long before these sites and others like them suffer > vandalism.> > BB> Jo> > , "metalscarab" <metalscarab@> > wrote:> >> > Hi Jo> > > > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to > St Paul's> > Cathedral....> > > > BB> > Peter> > > > -> > "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork@>> > > > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> > Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > > > > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > > temporary, so whats the problem?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > > >> > > >> > > > Aerial footage> > > >> > > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a > cartoon> > > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the > Cerne> > > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted > next> > > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous> > > >> > > >> > > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > > Pagan Federation> > > >> > > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-> based> > > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. > Ann> > > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan > Federation,> > > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have > changed> > > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and > wash> > > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time > the> > > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike > Webb,> > > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were > amused by> > > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different > and> > > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, > but> > > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > > among experts about when the giant was created varying from > thousands> > > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Peter H> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for > less,> > > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > To send an email to -> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 As have many religious images from all religions, but in terms of faith, if you asked someone who believes in that faith they will tell you that it symbolises the guy with a beard dying for your sins.....greedy heads of church are another story.... The Valley Vegan.........metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter It still glorifies death, and, whether originally intended or not, it has been used as a symbol to incite people to fairly haenous acts... crusades, inquisitions, etc... BB Peter - Peter VV Friday, July 20, 2007 6:57 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer I think that guys image refers to him dying for christians sins, not gloryfying nailing people to two pieces of wood ( as you probably know!), as opposed to hunting animals...... The Valley Vegan.............metalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Peter Are religious icons usually peaceful? A guy being nailed to a cross, for instance???? BB Peter - Peter VV Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:41 PM Re: Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer What are its origins, when did women start sleeping on the giant phalanx? Why has he got a club? doesnt seem very peaceful ffor a religious icon is it some kind of war god? The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: That's the problem, you see.It is a religious site to Pagans.Pagans sleep on the Giant to help them become pregnant. It is similar to Christians who go into a church and pray to their god to help them become pregnant! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Is that giant actually a religious site?, sorry my my lack of knowledge, I just thought it was an ancient superstition where women went and sat on the giant whanger in a strange belief that they would then fall pregnant?> > I still dont see the harm in it, especially as knowing the british weather its probably gone by now.> But then I am not the most reverent, and think most things are fair game for ridicule......> > > The Valley Vegan...............> > metalscarab <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Jo> > But I do wonder why there isn't a similar Homer on the walkway to St Paul's> Cathedral....> > BB> Peter> > -> "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork> > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 AM> Re: Pagans wish for rain to wash away Homer> > > They haven't actually touched the giant so presumably no harm has> > been done. The one I was really annoyed about was the Long Man.> >> > Jo> >> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > This made me laugh, sorry Pagans but it is funny, and only> > temporary, so whats the problem?> > >> > >> > >> > > There is debate about the age of the Cerne Abbas Giant> > >> > >> > > Aerial footage> > >> > > Pagans have pledged to perform "rain magic" to wash away a cartoon> > character painted next to their famous fertility symbol - the Cerne> > Abbas giant. A doughnut-brandishing Homer Simpson was painted next> > to the giant on the hill above Cerne Abbas, Dorset, to promote the> > new Simpsons film. Many believe the ancient chalk outline of the> > naked, sexually aroused giant to be a symbol of ancient> > spirituality. Many couples also believe the 180ft carving aids> > fertility. I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous> > >> > >> > > Ann Bryn-Evans> > > Pagan Federation> > >> > > The painted Simpsons character has been painted with water-based> > biodegradable paint which will wash away as soon as it rains. Ann> > Bryn-Evans, joint Wessex district manager for The Pagan Federation,> > said: "We were hoping for some dry weather but I think I have changed> > my mind. "We'll be doing some rain magic to bring the rain and wash> > it away." She added: "I'm amazed they got permission to do> > something so ridiculous. It's an area of scientific> > interest." 'Different and unusual' It is not the first time the> > giant has been used to advertise products. He has been used to> > promote items as diverse as condoms, jeans and bicycles. Mike Webb,> > landlord of the New Inn in Cerne Abbas, said his staff were amused by> > the temporary addition to the village. "I think it is different and> > unusual," he said. "We've not heard any complaints here so far, but> > I'm not sure many of the local people will know who Homer Simpson> > is." During World War II, the Cerne giant was disguised> > > to prevent the Germans from using him as an aerial landmark.> > Since then he has always been visible, receiving regular grass> > trimming and a full re-chalking every 25 years. There is debate> > among experts about when the giant was created varying from thousands> > of years ago to as recently as the 17th Century.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Peter H> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,> > sign up for your freeaccount today.> > >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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