Dr Who

December 25, 2005

Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be a

brilliant Doctor.

Jo

December 25, 2005

I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 25, 2005

Hi Peter

> I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think?

Hey - it's better than the last Xmas episode they did... although I did wonder when the Sycorax were going to break into Bohemian Rhapsody...

BB

Peter

December 26, 2005

Hi Jo

Most definately me. Tho I haven't been able to see it in quite awhile.

BB

Nikki

, " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

>

> Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will

be a

> brilliant Doctor.

>

> Jo

>

December 26, 2005

Hi Nikki

The Christmas episode was really good - you'll enjoy it when you do get to

see it.

BB

Jo

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" earthstrm " <earthstorm

Monday, December 26, 2005 12:20 PM

Re: Dr Who

> Hi Jo

>

> Most definately me. Tho I haven't been able to see it in quite awhile.

>

> BB

> Nikki

December 26, 2005

Hi Peter

I don't think the plot was thin at all, especially for an hour's episode that covered the regeneration. The synopsis below is from Outpost Gallifrey.

Jo

On Christmas Eve, Jackie Tyler (Camille Coduri) and Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke) hear the familiar sound of the TARDIS arriving at the Powell Estate in London... but are startled when the craft comes crashing down and out steps a man they have never met before, but who seems to know them -- and then passes out. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) then exits the ship and tells them all the incredible story: it's the Doctor, recently regenerated, his hearts still beating but somehow slipping away. As the Doctor sleeps inside Jackie's flat, Rose and Mickey head downtown for an evening of shopping, which is soon halted as the two -- and the entire crowd -- are attacked by a musical band of Santas with strange face masks that nearly kill them before they are able to get away. Back at Jackie's flat, the three take cover as the Christmas tree comes alive... a weapon designed to destroy them, for whatever's following them is attracted to them, probably because of the Doctor. Except that the Doctor is asleep on the bed, until Rose puts his sonic screwdriver into his hands and pleads for help, and he momentarily wakes up and stops the living tree. The Doctor tells them that whatever is attacking them -- the tree, the Santas now standing outside their flat -- are 'pilot fish', before he passes out again. Mickey and Rose realize these 'pilot fish' are simply precursors for an invasion of a much larger force.Meanwhile, all of Britain is watching BBC television as reports are about to come in from Guinevere One, Britain's newest Mars probe. As scientist Danny Llewellyn (Daniel Evans), leader of the Guinevere project, reports, the probe will soon send back photographs of the Martian surface. But Guinevere won't be snapping photos of Mars any time soon; it encounters a massive space-borne craft, vaguely shaped like an asteroid, which sucks it inside. Guinevere later broadcasts pictures of an alien race whose language is unfamiliar, setting all of Earth on alert and drawing Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton), the new Prime Minister of Britain, to the headquarters of UNIT to investigate. Harriet's aide, Alex (Adam Garcia), works on a translator code to understand the aliens, while Major Blake (Chu Ornambala) of UNIT tells her that "Torchwood," a secret project, can soon be ready; Harriet, meanwhile, wonders where the Doctor is, and why he hasn't appeared to help.The aliens make their intentions known: they are the Sycorax, and they have come to Earth to take it over and enslave its people. The Sycorax leader (Sean Gilder) teleports up Harriet, Alex, Major Blake and Llewellyn, where he kills the latter two and demands that Harriet Jones surrender in the name of the people of the Earth. In order to ensure their victory, they have fashioned a frightening weapon: they have taken over everyone on the planet with A-positive blood (due to a sample of that type of blood on the Guinevere probe as a memento of humanity), fully a third of the planet's population, and have readied them to commit suicide by jumping off rooftops. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Rose and Mickey have taken the comatose Doctor into the TARDIS, which is also teleported to the Sycorax ship; Rose and Mickey are taken hostage along with Harriet and Alex. All seems to be lost...But aboard the TARDIS, thanks to a spilled thermos of tea...As Rose attempts to parlay with the Sycorax leader -- an attempt that is rejected as being 'funny' -- they once again call for the surrender of the Earth... and suddenly the Sycorax language can be understood by the hostages. Which means the TARDIS translator circuits are still working. Which means that--Out of the TARDIS steps the Doctor (David Tennant). Still unbalanced from his regeneration, still mentally unsure of what kind of Doctor he's going to be, he calls the Sycorax bluff -- the blood control was merely a hypnosis, and never would have worked as the human instinct for survival is too great. The Doctor then challenges the Sycorax leader to a duel, for control of the Earth. The Doctor and the Sycorax take up swords, a battle that continues out onto the wing of the massive Sycorax ship. The Sycorax cuts off the Doctor's hand, but because he's still within the fifteen hours of his regeneration, the Doctor simply grows a new one... and then vanquishes the Sycorax leader. He then tells the Sycorax invaders that he's won, that they're to leave the Earth and never return. The Doctor and the humans are then sent back to Earth.As they celebrate the flight of the Sycorax ship, the Doctor, Rose and Mickey are reunited with Jackie. However, Harriet Jones learns from Alex that Torchwood -- a secret defence project based on alien technology -- is ready, and orders it to fire... a particle beam that destroys the Sycorax ship. The Doctor loses all his love for Harriet Jones, condemning her for the murder of the Sycorax, while she defends the action as necessary because he's not always around to help them. As the Doctor leaves, he plants a suggestion with Alex that Harriet Jones is 'looking tired'... a promise that he can bring her down fulfilled, as she later faces a vote of no-confidence.As the embers of the Sycorax ship rain down on London, the Doctor, Rose, Mickey and Jackie enjoy Christmas dinner, and then the Doctor and Rose make their goodbyes... he ready to return to the great unknown out in space, and she now convinced that even with a different face and a different demeanor, he's still the same old Doctor she knows and loves. -

peter hurd

Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:17 PM

Re: Dr Who

I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think?

The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 27, 2005

Bit anoraky isnt it? Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding. The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter I don't think the plot was thin at all, especially for an hour's episode that covered the regeneration. The synopsis below is from Outpost Gallifrey. Jo On Christmas Eve, Jackie Tyler (Camille Coduri) and Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke) hear the familiar sound of the TARDIS arriving at the Powell Estate in London... but are startled when the craft comes crashing down and out steps a man they have never met before, but who seems to know them -- and then passes out. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) then exits the ship and tells them all the incredible story: it's the Doctor, recently regenerated, his hearts still beating but somehow slipping away. As the Doctor sleeps inside Jackie's flat, Rose and Mickey head downtown for an evening of shopping, which is soon halted as the two -- and the entire crowd -- are attacked by a musical band of Santas with strange face masks that nearly kill them before they are able to get away. Back at Jackie's flat, the three take cover as the Christmas tree comes alive... a weapon designed to destroy them, for whatever's following them is attracted to them, probably because of the

Doctor. Except that the Doctor is asleep on the bed, until Rose puts his sonic screwdriver into his hands and pleads for help, and he momentarily wakes up and stops the living tree. The Doctor tells them that whatever is attacking them -- the tree, the Santas now standing outside their flat -- are 'pilot fish', before he passes out again. Mickey and Rose realize these 'pilot fish' are simply precursors for an invasion of a much larger force.Meanwhile, all of Britain is watching BBC television as reports are about to come in from Guinevere One, Britain's newest Mars probe. As scientist Danny Llewellyn (Daniel Evans), leader of the Guinevere project, reports, the probe will soon send back photographs of the Martian surface. But Guinevere won't be snapping photos of Mars any time soon; it encounters a massive space-borne craft, vaguely shaped like an asteroid, which sucks it inside. Guinevere later broadcasts pictures of an alien race whose language is unfamiliar, setting all

of Earth on alert and drawing Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton), the new Prime Minister of Britain, to the headquarters of UNIT to investigate. Harriet's aide, Alex (Adam Garcia), works on a translator code to understand the aliens, while Major Blake (Chu Ornambala) of UNIT tells her that "Torchwood," a secret project, can soon be ready; Harriet, meanwhile, wonders where the Doctor is, and why he hasn't appeared to help.The aliens make their intentions known: they are the Sycorax, and they have come to Earth to take it over and enslave its people. The Sycorax leader (Sean Gilder) teleports up Harriet, Alex, Major Blake and Llewellyn, where he kills the latter two and demands that Harriet Jones surrender in the name of the people of the Earth. In order to ensure their victory, they have fashioned a frightening weapon: they have taken over everyone on the planet with A-positive blood (due to a sample of that type of blood on the Guinevere probe as a memento of humanity), fully a

third of the planet's population, and have readied them to commit suicide by jumping off rooftops. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Rose and Mickey have taken the comatose Doctor into the TARDIS, which is also teleported to the Sycorax ship; Rose and Mickey are taken hostage along with Harriet and Alex. All seems to be lost...But aboard the TARDIS, thanks to a spilled thermos of tea...As Rose attempts to parlay with the Sycorax leader -- an attempt that is rejected as being 'funny' -- they once again call for the surrender of the Earth... and suddenly the Sycorax language can be understood by the hostages. Which means the TARDIS translator circuits are still working. Which means that--Out of the TARDIS steps the Doctor (David Tennant). Still unbalanced from his regeneration, still mentally unsure of what kind of Doctor he's going to be, he calls the Sycorax bluff -- the blood control was merely a hypnosis, and never would have worked as the human instinct for

survival is too great. The Doctor then challenges the Sycorax leader to a duel, for control of the Earth. The Doctor and the Sycorax take up swords, a battle that continues out onto the wing of the massive Sycorax ship. The Sycorax cuts off the Doctor's hand, but because he's still within the fifteen hours of his regeneration, the Doctor simply grows a new one... and then vanquishes the Sycorax leader. He then tells the Sycorax invaders that he's won, that they're to leave the Earth and never return. The Doctor and the humans are then sent back to Earth.As they celebrate the flight of the Sycorax ship, the Doctor, Rose and Mickey are reunited with Jackie. However, Harriet Jones learns from Alex that Torchwood -- a secret defence project based on alien technology -- is ready, and orders it to fire... a particle beam that destroys the Sycorax ship. The Doctor loses all his love for Harriet Jones, condemning her for the murder of the Sycorax, while she defends the action as

necessary because he's not always around to help them. As the Doctor leaves, he plants a suggestion with Alex that Harriet Jones is 'looking tired'... a promise that he can bring her down fulfilled, as she later faces a vote of no-confidence.As the embers of the Sycorax ship rain down on London, the Doctor, Rose, Mickey and Jackie enjoy Christmas dinner, and then the Doctor and Rose make their goodbyes... he ready to return to the great unknown out in space, and she now convinced that even with a different face and a different demeanor, he's still the same old Doctor she knows and loves. - peter hurd Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:17 PM Re: Dr Who I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 27, 2005

Crikes Peter - showing your age aren't you!

Jo

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peter hurd

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:04 AM

Re: Dr Who

Bit anoraky isnt it?

Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding.

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi Peter

I don't think the plot was thin at all, especially for an hour's episode that covered the regeneration. The synopsis below is from Outpost Gallifrey.

Jo

On Christmas Eve, Jackie Tyler (Camille Coduri) and Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke) hear the familiar sound of the TARDIS arriving at the Powell Estate in London... but are startled when the craft comes crashing down and out steps a man they have never met before, but who seems to know them -- and then passes out. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) then exits the ship and tells them all the incredible story: it's the Doctor, recently regenerated, his hearts still beating but somehow slipping away. As the Doctor sleeps inside Jackie's flat, Rose and Mickey head downtown for an evening of shopping, which is soon halted as the two -- and the entire crowd -- are attacked by a musical band of Santas with strange face masks that nearly kill them before they are able to get away. Back at Jackie's flat, the three take cover as the Christmas tree comes alive... a weapon designed to destroy them, for whatever's following them is attracted to them, probably because of the Doctor. Except that the Doctor is asleep on the bed, until Rose puts his sonic screwdriver into his hands and pleads for help, and he momentarily wakes up and stops the living tree. The Doctor tells them that whatever is attacking them -- the tree, the Santas now standing outside their flat -- are 'pilot fish', before he passes out again. Mickey and Rose realize these 'pilot fish' are simply precursors for an invasion of a much larger force.Meanwhile, all of Britain is watching BBC television as reports are about to come in from Guinevere One, Britain's newest Mars probe. As scientist Danny Llewellyn (Daniel Evans), leader of the Guinevere project, reports, the probe will soon send back photographs of the Martian surface. But Guinevere won't be snapping photos of Mars any time soon; it encounters a massive space-borne craft, vaguely shaped like an asteroid, which sucks it inside. Guinevere later broadcasts pictures of an alien race whose language is unfamiliar, setting all of Earth on alert and drawing Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton), the new Prime Minister of Britain, to the headquarters of UNIT to investigate. Harriet's aide, Alex (Adam Garcia), works on a translator code to understand the aliens, while Major Blake (Chu Ornambala) of UNIT tells her that "Torchwood," a secret project, can soon be ready; Harriet, meanwhile, wonders where the Doctor is, and why he hasn't appeared to help.The aliens make their intentions known: they are the Sycorax, and they have come to Earth to take it over and enslave its people. The Sycorax leader (Sean Gilder) teleports up Harriet, Alex, Major Blake and Llewellyn, where he kills the latter two and demands that Harriet Jones surrender in the name of the people of the Earth. In order to ensure their victory, they have fashioned a frightening weapon: they have taken over everyone on the planet with A-positive blood (due to a sample of that type of blood on the Guinevere probe as a memento of humanity), fully a third of the planet's population, and have readied them to commit suicide by jumping off rooftops. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Rose and Mickey have taken the comatose Doctor into the TARDIS, which is also teleported to the Sycorax ship; Rose and Mickey are taken hostage along with Harriet and Alex. All seems to be lost...But aboard the TARDIS, thanks to a spilled thermos of tea...As Rose attempts to parlay with the Sycorax leader -- an attempt that is rejected as being 'funny' -- they once again call for the surrender of the Earth... and suddenly the Sycorax language can be understood by the hostages. Which means the TARDIS translator circuits are still working. Which means that--Out of the TARDIS steps the Doctor (David Tennant). Still unbalanced from his regeneration, still mentally unsure of what kind of Doctor he's going to be, he calls the Sycorax bluff -- the blood control was merely a hypnosis, and never would have worked as the human instinct for survival is too great. The Doctor then challenges the Sycorax leader to a duel, for control of the Earth. The Doctor and the Sycorax take up swords, a battle that continues out onto the wing of the massive Sycorax ship. The Sycorax cuts off the Doctor's hand, but because he's still within the fifteen hours of his regeneration, the Doctor simply grows a new one... and then vanquishes the Sycorax leader. He then tells the Sycorax invaders that he's won, that they're to leave the Earth and never return. The Doctor and the humans are then sent back to Earth.As they celebrate the flight of the Sycorax ship, the Doctor, Rose and Mickey are reunited with Jackie. However, Harriet Jones learns from Alex that Torchwood -- a secret defence project based on alien technology -- is ready, and orders it to fire... a particle beam that destroys the Sycorax ship. The Doctor loses all his love for Harriet Jones, condemning her for the murder of the Sycorax, while she defends the action as necessary because he's not always around to help them. As the Doctor leaves, he plants a suggestion with Alex that Harriet Jones is 'looking tired'... a promise that he can bring her down fulfilled, as she later faces a vote of no-confidence.As the embers of the Sycorax ship rain down on London, the Doctor, Rose, Mickey and Jackie enjoy Christmas dinner, and then the Doctor and Rose make their goodbyes... he ready to return to the great unknown out in space, and she now convinced that even with a different face and a different demeanor, he's still the same old Doctor she knows and loves. -

peter hurd

Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:17 PM

Re: Dr Who

I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think?

The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 27, 2005

Hi Peter

> Bit anoraky isnt it?

> Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course

> he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding.

It must be great to be able to enjoy things without finding it necessary to pick fault... oh, actually, it is!

I bet you're one of those people who goes to gigs and then stands with your arms folded looking as though you'd rather be cleaning the loo ;-)

BB

Peter

December 27, 2005

Touched another nerve did I, ah well carry on with the insults if it keeps you happy. Its only a flippin TV programme people! It aint real life! Still nice to know you appreciate the Welsh programmes! The Valley Vegan..................Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > Bit anoraky isnt it? > Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course > he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding. It must be

great to be able to enjoy things without finding it necessary to pick fault... oh, actually, it is! I bet you're one of those people who goes to gigs and then stands with your arms folded looking as though you'd rather be cleaning the loo ;-) BB Peter Peter H

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December 27, 2005

I`m, showing my age? , your the one using archaic language! ( Crikes????!?!?!?!?!? ) The Valley Vegan................... jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Crikes Peter - showing your age aren't you! Jo - peter hurd Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:04 AM Re: Dr Who Bit anoraky isnt it? Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding. The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter I don't think the plot was thin at all, especially for an hour's episode that covered the regeneration. The synopsis below is from Outpost Gallifrey. Jo On Christmas Eve, Jackie Tyler (Camille Coduri) and Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke) hear the familiar sound of the TARDIS arriving at the Powell Estate in London... but are startled when the craft comes crashing down and out steps a man they have never met before, but who seems to know them -- and then passes out. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) then exits the ship and tells them all the incredible story: it's the Doctor, recently regenerated, his hearts still beating but somehow slipping away. As the Doctor sleeps inside Jackie's flat, Rose and Mickey head downtown for an evening of shopping, which is soon halted as the two -- and the entire

crowd -- are attacked by a musical band of Santas with strange face masks that nearly kill them before they are able to get away. Back at Jackie's flat, the three take cover as the Christmas tree comes alive... a weapon designed to destroy them, for whatever's following them is attracted to them, probably because of the Doctor. Except that the Doctor is asleep on the bed, until Rose puts his sonic screwdriver into his hands and pleads for help, and he momentarily wakes up and stops the living tree. The Doctor tells them that whatever is attacking them -- the tree, the Santas now standing outside their flat -- are 'pilot fish', before he passes out again. Mickey and Rose realize these 'pilot fish' are simply precursors for an invasion of a much larger force.Meanwhile, all of Britain is watching BBC television as reports are about to come in from Guinevere One, Britain's newest Mars probe. As scientist Danny Llewellyn (Daniel Evans), leader of the Guinevere project, reports,

the probe will soon send back photographs of the Martian surface. But Guinevere won't be snapping photos of Mars any time soon; it encounters a massive space-borne craft, vaguely shaped like an asteroid, which sucks it inside. Guinevere later broadcasts pictures of an alien race whose language is unfamiliar, setting all of Earth on alert and drawing Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton), the new Prime Minister of Britain, to the headquarters of UNIT to investigate. Harriet's aide, Alex (Adam Garcia), works on a translator code to understand the aliens, while Major Blake (Chu Ornambala) of UNIT tells her that "Torchwood," a secret project, can soon be ready; Harriet, meanwhile, wonders where the Doctor is, and why he hasn't appeared to help.The aliens make their intentions known: they are the Sycorax, and they have come to Earth to take it over and enslave its people. The Sycorax leader (Sean Gilder) teleports up Harriet, Alex, Major Blake and Llewellyn, where he kills the latter

two and demands that Harriet Jones surrender in the name of the people of the Earth. In order to ensure their victory, they have fashioned a frightening weapon: they have taken over everyone on the planet with A-positive blood (due to a sample of that type of blood on the Guinevere probe as a memento of humanity), fully a third of the planet's population, and have readied them to commit suicide by jumping off rooftops. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Rose and Mickey have taken the comatose Doctor into the TARDIS, which is also teleported to the Sycorax ship; Rose and Mickey are taken hostage along with Harriet and Alex. All seems to be lost...But aboard the TARDIS, thanks to a spilled thermos of tea...As Rose attempts to parlay with the Sycorax leader -- an attempt that is rejected as being 'funny' -- they once again call for the surrender of the Earth... and suddenly the Sycorax language can be understood by the hostages. Which means the TARDIS translator circuits are

still working. Which means that--Out of the TARDIS steps the Doctor (David Tennant). Still unbalanced from his regeneration, still mentally unsure of what kind of Doctor he's going to be, he calls the Sycorax bluff -- the blood control was merely a hypnosis, and never would have worked as the human instinct for survival is too great. The Doctor then challenges the Sycorax leader to a duel, for control of the Earth. The Doctor and the Sycorax take up swords, a battle that continues out onto the wing of the massive Sycorax ship. The Sycorax cuts off the Doctor's hand, but because he's still within the fifteen hours of his regeneration, the Doctor simply grows a new one... and then vanquishes the Sycorax leader. He then tells the Sycorax invaders that he's won, that they're to leave the Earth and never return. The Doctor and the humans are then sent back to Earth.As they celebrate the flight of the Sycorax ship, the Doctor, Rose and Mickey are reunited with Jackie.

However, Harriet Jones learns from Alex that Torchwood -- a secret defence project based on alien technology -- is ready, and orders it to fire... a particle beam that destroys the Sycorax ship. The Doctor loses all his love for Harriet Jones, condemning her for the murder of the Sycorax, while she defends the action as necessary because he's not always around to help them. As the Doctor leaves, he plants a suggestion with Alex that Harriet Jones is 'looking tired'... a promise that he can bring her down fulfilled, as she later faces a vote of no-confidence.As the embers of the Sycorax ship rain down on London, the Doctor, Rose, Mickey and Jackie enjoy Christmas dinner, and then the Doctor and Rose make their goodbyes... he ready to return to the great unknown out in space, and she now convinced that even with a different face and a different demeanor, he's still the same old Doctor she knows and loves. - peter hurd Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:17 PM Re: Dr Who I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Any Dr Who fans? I loved the

Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 28, 2005

Hi Peter

> Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course

> he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding.

OK - apologies if I was a tad sarcastic before.... however, I think you will have to admit that my basic observation is valid... that whenever we discuss anything made in the past 25 years, you do your best to pull it to pieces and not enjoy it - even when it's made in Wales!!! It does seem that you neglect your inner-child!

But, on to a more serious analysis.... based on your above, what exactly do you consider to be "plot" and what do you consider to be "padding" in any story. After all, anything can be wittled down to two lines with the rest claimed to be "padding", if you want to be picky...

Lord of The Rings... Hobbit gets hold of a ring and goes on a journey to destroy it... is the rest "padding"?

Animal Farm... Pigs take over a farm and become like humans.... is the rest "padding"?

Romeo & Juliet... Romeo & Juliet fall in love, but their families hate each other so they kill themselves... is the rest "padding"?

Heck, even you couldn't wittle the new Dr Who story down to as few words as 3 of the most well known books / plays of all time... so, come on, tell us what you consider is the necessary criteria to classify something as "plot", and what criteria creates "padding".... or is your criticism merely due to the fact that you're viewing it with the eyes and heart of an adult, rather than those of a child?

BB

Peter

December 28, 2005

Hi Peter, Maybe your right, maybe I am feeling my age. Incidentally I am taking my family to see the DR Who exhibition in Cardiff this afternoon, so maybe I `ll find my inner child down there! As for me being hyper critical, Yeah I get that all the time, and put it down to being a typical Virgo. I agree with your point about padding, however, its the quality of the padding in Lord of the rings etc ( stories and adventures within stories ) that I was refering to. I`ll let you know how the exhibition is, you may want to pop over the bridge to have a look. The Valley Vegan...........Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter >

Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course > he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding. OK - apologies if I was a tad sarcastic before.... however, I think you will have to admit that my basic observation is valid... that whenever we discuss anything made in the past 25 years, you do your best to pull it to pieces and not enjoy it - even when it's made in Wales!!! It does seem that you neglect your inner-child! But, on to a more serious analysis.... based on your above, what exactly do you consider to be "plot" and what do you consider to be "padding" in any story. After all, anything can be wittled down to two lines with the rest claimed to be "padding", if you want to be

picky... Lord of The Rings... Hobbit gets hold of a ring and goes on a journey to destroy it... is the rest "padding"? Animal Farm... Pigs take over a farm and become like humans.... is the rest "padding"? Romeo & Juliet... Romeo & Juliet fall in love, but their families hate each other so they kill themselves... is the rest "padding"? Heck, even you couldn't wittle the new Dr Who story down to as few words as 3 of the most well known books / plays of all time... so, come on, tell us what you consider is the necessary criteria to classify something as "plot", and what criteria creates "padding".... or is your criticism merely due to the fact that you're viewing it with the eyes and heart of an adult,

rather than those of a child? BB Peter Peter H

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December 28, 2005

Well it's a good word :-)

It's a shame you didn't enjoy the latest episode. Everyone I have 'chatted' with on other lists seem to have loved it.

Jo

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peter hurd

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:46 PM

Re: Dr Who

I`m, showing my age? , your the one using archaic language! ( Crikes????!?!?!?!?!? )

The Valley Vegan...................

jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Crikes Peter - showing your age aren't you!

Jo

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peter hurd

Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:04 AM

Re: Dr Who

Bit anoraky isnt it?

Basically the plot was new doctor not quite well, alien threat on way, will he wake up in time to save the planet?. Of course he will or there wouldnt be a new series.The rest was padding.

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi Peter

I don't think the plot was thin at all, especially for an hour's episode that covered the regeneration. The synopsis below is from Outpost Gallifrey.

Jo

On Christmas Eve, Jackie Tyler (Camille Coduri) and Mickey Smith (Noel Clarke) hear the familiar sound of the TARDIS arriving at the Powell Estate in London... but are startled when the craft comes crashing down and out steps a man they have never met before, but who seems to know them -- and then passes out. Rose Tyler (Billie Piper) then exits the ship and tells them all the incredible story: it's the Doctor, recently regenerated, his hearts still beating but somehow slipping away. As the Doctor sleeps inside Jackie's flat, Rose and Mickey head downtown for an evening of shopping, which is soon halted as the two -- and the entire crowd -- are attacked by a musical band of Santas with strange face masks that nearly kill them before they are able to get away. Back at Jackie's flat, the three take cover as the Christmas tree comes alive... a weapon designed to destroy them, for whatever's following them is attracted to them, probably because of the Doctor. Except that the Doctor is asleep on the bed, until Rose puts his sonic screwdriver into his hands and pleads for help, and he momentarily wakes up and stops the living tree. The Doctor tells them that whatever is attacking them -- the tree, the Santas now standing outside their flat -- are 'pilot fish', before he passes out again. Mickey and Rose realize these 'pilot fish' are simply precursors for an invasion of a much larger force.Meanwhile, all of Britain is watching BBC television as reports are about to come in from Guinevere One, Britain's newest Mars probe. As scientist Danny Llewellyn (Daniel Evans), leader of the Guinevere project, reports, the probe will soon send back photographs of the Martian surface. But Guinevere won't be snapping photos of Mars any time soon; it encounters a massive space-borne craft, vaguely shaped like an asteroid, which sucks it inside. Guinevere later broadcasts pictures of an alien race whose language is unfamiliar, setting all of Earth on alert and drawing Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton), the new Prime Minister of Britain, to the headquarters of UNIT to investigate. Harriet's aide, Alex (Adam Garcia), works on a translator code to understand the aliens, while Major Blake (Chu Ornambala) of UNIT tells her that "Torchwood," a secret project, can soon be ready; Harriet, meanwhile, wonders where the Doctor is, and why he hasn't appeared to help.The aliens make their intentions known: they are the Sycorax, and they have come to Earth to take it over and enslave its people. The Sycorax leader (Sean Gilder) teleports up Harriet, Alex, Major Blake and Llewellyn, where he kills the latter two and demands that Harriet Jones surrender in the name of the people of the Earth. In order to ensure their victory, they have fashioned a frightening weapon: they have taken over everyone on the planet with A-positive blood (due to a sample of that type of blood on the Guinevere probe as a memento of humanity), fully a third of the planet's population, and have readied them to commit suicide by jumping off rooftops. Meanwhile, back on Earth, Rose and Mickey have taken the comatose Doctor into the TARDIS, which is also teleported to the Sycorax ship; Rose and Mickey are taken hostage along with Harriet and Alex. All seems to be lost...But aboard the TARDIS, thanks to a spilled thermos of tea...As Rose attempts to parlay with the Sycorax leader -- an attempt that is rejected as being 'funny' -- they once again call for the surrender of the Earth... and suddenly the Sycorax language can be understood by the hostages. Which means the TARDIS translator circuits are still working. Which means that--Out of the TARDIS steps the Doctor (David Tennant). Still unbalanced from his regeneration, still mentally unsure of what kind of Doctor he's going to be, he calls the Sycorax bluff -- the blood control was merely a hypnosis, and never would have worked as the human instinct for survival is too great. The Doctor then challenges the Sycorax leader to a duel, for control of the Earth. The Doctor and the Sycorax take up swords, a battle that continues out onto the wing of the massive Sycorax ship. The Sycorax cuts off the Doctor's hand, but because he's still within the fifteen hours of his regeneration, the Doctor simply grows a new one... and then vanquishes the Sycorax leader. He then tells the Sycorax invaders that he's won, that they're to leave the Earth and never return. The Doctor and the humans are then sent back to Earth.As they celebrate the flight of the Sycorax ship, the Doctor, Rose and Mickey are reunited with Jackie. However, Harriet Jones learns from Alex that Torchwood -- a secret defence project based on alien technology -- is ready, and orders it to fire... a particle beam that destroys the Sycorax ship. The Doctor loses all his love for Harriet Jones, condemning her for the murder of the Sycorax, while she defends the action as necessary because he's not always around to help them. As the Doctor leaves, he plants a suggestion with Alex that Harriet Jones is 'looking tired'... a promise that he can bring her down fulfilled, as she later faces a vote of no-confidence.As the embers of the Sycorax ship rain down on London, the Doctor, Rose, Mickey and Jackie enjoy Christmas dinner, and then the Doctor and Rose make their goodbyes... he ready to return to the great unknown out in space, and she now convinced that even with a different face and a different demeanor, he's still the same old Doctor she knows and loves. -

peter hurd

Sunday, December 25, 2005 9:17 PM

Re: Dr Who

I agree, a good start to his role. Story line remarkably thin though don`t you think?

The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Any Dr Who fans? I loved the Christmas episode - David Tennant will be abrilliant Doctor.Jo

December 28, 2005

It would be interesting to hear about he exhibition. The last one we went to was on Brighton pier, but that was tiny.

We went to the 20th anniversary do at Bath, which was really good fun - queued for four hours (or was it more Peter?) to chat with some of the stars, including Tom Baker. There were cybermen walking around, and I found them scarey! Another time we went to something at MOMI which showed several of the series and had stalls, and talks etc.

Have fun.

Jo

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peter hurd

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:40 PM

Re: Dr Who

Hi Peter,

Maybe your right, maybe I am feeling my age. Incidentally I am taking my family to see the DR Who exhibition in Cardiff this afternoon, so maybe I `ll find my inner child down there!

As for me being hyper critical, Yeah I get that all the time, and put it down to being a typical Virgo.

I agree with your point about padding, however, its the quality of the padding in Lord of the rings etc ( stories and adventures within stories ) that I was refering to.

I`ll let you know how the exhibition is, you may want to pop over the bridge to have a look.

The Valley Vegan...........Peter <metalscarab wrote: