Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 peter..ya need help lad... fraggle fact # 3.14159265..... all 56 signers of the declaration of independence had mothers peter hurd Nov 22, 2005 6:14 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Of course I am, thats the whole darn point! duh! The Valley Vegan.................. American Welsh Connections No.4 18 people of Welsh descent were signatories The Declaration of Independence!fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ok..now yer just being silly peter hurd Nov 22, 2005 6:09 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Very Good, got any more? The Valley Vegan.............. Wales and American connections No.1 America was named after Richard Ameryk - a Welsh customs official. He was rewarded because he was one of the chief investors in John Cabot's 1497 expedition to the new world. Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > Things You didnt know about Wales No.36 The Welsh can't count higher than 36.... ;-) BB Peter Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I'm too dumb for mensa too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 thanks for the info, I now know more now about the welsh, than I was ever taught! I did know before that, the christmas song.. fa la la la la is also welsh origin. > Things You didnt know about Wales No.44 > > Welsh is a P-Celtic language developed (along with Breton and Cornish) from > Brythonic, which was once spoken over most of Britain: it was the language > of the natives at the time of the Roman invasion. Gaulish, the language of > Asterix (which has now died out - Breton, as the name suggests, was brought > over from Britain) is also thought to have been P-Celtic (as distinct from > the Q-Celtic languages that developed into Gaelic). > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > well..sheesh..i can make up things too then.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Peter, fraggle is right, you are being silly. I believe that it was Americo Vespucci or something like that which america was named after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 welsh fact # 83 Gales is Welsh in Spanish Galesa is a welsh girl ok so which ones are true? it is very confusing.. > American Welsh connections No.5 > Thomas Jefferson was the chief author of The Declaration of Independence. His family form Llanberis, Gwynedd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I think it's been a good idea - had people wracking their brains. Jo - peter hurd Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:16 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Look its been very quiet on here the last few days, I`ve got to do somethin to get a response! The Valley Vegan........... American Welsh connections No.5 Thomas Jefferson was the chief author of The Declaration of Independence. His family form Llanberis, Gwynedd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Peter > America was named after Richard Ameryk - a Welsh customs official. He was rewarded because he was one of the chief > investors in John Cabot's 1497 expedition to the new world. Now, I'm going to have to stop you here. Firstly, Richard Ameryk was a *Bristolian*, not a Welshman. Secondly, he was a clerk in the Bristol customs office - he was not a major investor, as he had very little money of his own, but as a clerk in the customs office, it is possible that he was given the job of handing the payment from investors to John Cabot. Even though this is possible, there is no evidence that he did or didn't do this - he just might have done. Thirdly, the name "America" first appeared in print in the 2nd decade of the 16th century, in a Mappa Mundi (map of the world) created by a group of Franciscan monks working in the mountains of Anjou, and led by Martin Waldseemuller.. the chances that they had ever heard of a minor clerk in the Bristol customs office is, to say the least, remote! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Peter > In all, 11 American Presidents are estimated to have had Welsh blood! I reckon on about 32 actually... if you go back far enough. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Anouk > fraggle is right, you are being silly. > I believe that it was Americo Vespucci > or something like that which america was named after. That is the " standard " belief.... seems dodgy to me, since it was put about originally by Martin Waldseemuller as a possible reason why America might be so named. But, Vespucci was merely an astronomer on one of Columbus' voyages - not a captain of a ship. He wasn't of royal blood, so the naming convention would never have used his first name, which was an honour reserved for royals (i.e. America would be Vespucciland if it was really named after Amerigo), and thirdly the suggestion that America is some sort of latinised version of Amerigo is just ludicrous. Personally, I favour the suggestion that America was named after the Manichean star " Merica " which marked a mysterious land to the West... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Anouk That's because they couldn't think of any other " words " to sing that rhymed! *giggle* Nikki , " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...> wrote: > > thanks for the info, > I now know more now about the welsh, than I was ever taught! > I did know before that, the christmas song.. fa la la la la is also > welsh origin. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Jo lol - I agree! They have certainly been fun! And besides, it sure has your Peter in an uproar! And they are starting to get Fraggle too. BB Nikki , " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > I think it's been a good idea - had people wracking their brains. > > Jo > - > peter hurd > > Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:16 PM > Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester > > > Look its been very quiet on here the last few days, I`ve got to do somethin to get a response! > The Valley Vegan........... > American Welsh connections No.5 > a.. Thomas Jefferson was the chief author of The Declaration of Independence. His family form Llanberis, Gwynedd. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 sure..i go away fer a few days, and you all turn into comedians earthstrm <earthstorm Nov 23, 2005 5:13 AM Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Hi Jo lol - I agree! They have certainly been fun! And besides, it sure has your Peter in an uproar! And they are starting to get Fraggle too. BB Nikki , " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > I think it's been a good idea - had people wracking their brains. > > Jo > - > peter hurd > > Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:16 PM > Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester > > > Look its been very quiet on here the last few days, I`ve got to do somethin to get a response! > The Valley Vegan........... > American Welsh connections No.5 > a.. Thomas Jefferson was the chief author of The Declaration of Independence. His family form Llanberis, Gwynedd. > To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 amerigo was second in command on his voyage of 1501, and captained the voyage he took in 1503..... Peter <metalscarab Nov 23, 2005 2:33 AM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Hi Anouk > fraggle is right, you are being silly. > I believe that it was Americo Vespucci > or something like that which america was named after. That is the " standard " belief.... seems dodgy to me, since it was put about originally by Martin Waldseemuller as a possible reason why America might be so named. But, Vespucci was merely an astronomer on one of Columbus' voyages - not a captain of a ship. He wasn't of royal blood, so the naming convention would never have used his first name, which was an honour reserved for royals (i.e. America would be Vespucciland if it was really named after Amerigo), and thirdly the suggestion that America is some sort of latinised version of Amerigo is just ludicrous. Personally, I favour the suggestion that America was named after the Manichean star " Merica " which marked a mysterious land to the West... BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Fraggle > yeah..i think that map was made in either 1502, er 1507.... > they made it after reading the notes published by amerigo vespucchi..who said colmbus had blundered into another > continent, not asia They didn't actually see the notes made by Vespucci (or, to be more accurate, there's no reason to think that they did) - they believed that it was named after Vespucci, but the tone of the wording is that America was already known by that name, and they were trying to find a vaguely sensible reason as to why it might be called that - the only thing they could think of was Vespucci's first name bore a passing resemblance! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Fraggle > amerigo was second in command on his voyage of 1501, and captained the voyage he took in 1503..... Maybe, but he still wasn't a royal! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 wots that got to do with it? a lot of the early europeans who came over weren't royal..champlain, pizarro, bering..heck even if Drake had royal blood in em, his dad was a farmer/preacher... Peter <metalscarab Nov 23, 2005 10:13 AM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Hi Fraggle > amerigo was second in command on his voyage of 1501, and captained the voyage he took in 1503..... Maybe, but he still wasn't a royal! BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Fraggle > wots that got to do with it? > a lot of the early europeans who came over weren't royal..champlain, pizarro, bering..heck even if Drake had royal blood in > em, his dad was a farmer/preacher... It's got to do with naming conventions.... you'll notice that there is nowhere called " Francisland " in honour of Drake, for instance! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 You don't mind us enjoying ourselves, do you? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:35 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester > sure..i go away fer a few days, and you all turn into comedians > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 ........ did they name countries after them ??? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:25 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester > wots that got to do with it? > a lot of the early europeans who came over weren't royal..champlain, pizarro, bering..heck even if Drake had royal blood in em, his dad was a farmer/preacher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Of course I`m being silly, is it against the rules?, just checking you are all awake, its been too darn quiet on here lately............... The Valley Vegan.................. American Welsh connections No.6 14 Generals in the American War of Independence were Welsh and one, Anthony Wayne, went on to become commander in Chief of American forces.Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote: Hi Peter, fraggle is right, you are being silly. I believe that it was Americo Vespuccior something like that which america was named after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Nah, its because they were the only words the English could pronounce! The Valley Vegan.................. American Welsh connections No10. Tying a yellow ribbon around a tree was originally a Welsh tradition from the 18th century. Originally, Welsh settlers in America planted daffodils outside their homes to welcome new arrivals from Wales, but later they used a yellow ribbon tied around a tree instead. New immigrants would therefore know where their fellow countrymen were living.earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Hi AnoukThat's because they couldn't think of any other "words" to sing that rhymed!*giggle*Nikki , "Anouk Sickler" wrote:>> thanks for the info, > I now know more now about the welsh, than I was ever taught!> I did know before that, the christmas song.. fa la la la la is also> welsh origin.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 they named lotsa things after em bays, lakes, jo <jo.heartwork Nov 23, 2005 11:10 AM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester ........ did they name countries after them ??? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:25 PM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester > wots that got to do with it? > a lot of the early europeans who came over weren't royal..champlain, pizarro, bering..heck even if Drake had royal blood in em, his dad was a farmer/preacher... To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Be my guest, go back as far as you like! The Valley Vegan.................... American Welsh connections No.12 Jesse and Frank James, the world's first daylight bank robbers, were sons of a Welsh baptist minister, William James, from Pembrokeshire. Between 1860 and 1881, the James Gang were the chief robbers in America, stealing over $200,000. Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > In all, 11 American Presidents are estimated to have had Welsh blood! I reckon on about 32 actually... if you go back far enough. BB PeterPeter H How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos. Get Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Hi Peter, Glad your enjoying these, heres another "gem" The Valley Vegan................. American Welsh Connections No.13 Brown's University (USA) was founded by the Welsh. Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > America was named after Richard Ameryk - a Welsh customs official. He was rewarded because he was one of the chief > investors in John Cabot's 1497 expedition to the new world. Now, I'm going to have to stop you here. Firstly, Richard Ameryk was a *Bristolian*, not a Welshman. Secondly, he was a clerk in the Bristol customs office - he was not a major investor, as he had very little money of his own, but as a clerk in the customs office, it is possible that he was given the job of handing the payment from investors to John Cabot. Even though this is possible, there is no evidence that he did or didn't do this - he just might have done. Thirdly, the name "America" first appeared in print in the 2nd decade of the 16th century, in a Mappa Mundi (map of the world) created by a group of Franciscan monks working in the mountains of Anjou, and led by Martin Waldseemuller.. the chances that they had ever heard of a minor clerk in the Bristol customs office is, to say the least, remote! BB PeterPeter H Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 there's drake's bay the bering straits hudson bay for henry hudson lake champlain amerigo's writing were quite well known at the time of the 1507 map.... and, unlike most folks at the time, he actually went by amerigo much more often the vespucchi.... Peter <metalscarab Nov 23, 2005 11:05 AM Re: Re: FAO Fraggle Beer miester Hi Fraggle > wots that got to do with it? > a lot of the early europeans who came over weren't royal..champlain, pizarro, bering..heck even if Drake had royal blood in > em, his dad was a farmer/preacher... It's got to do with naming conventions.... you'll notice that there is nowhere called " Francisland " in honour of Drake, for instance! BB Peter Don't need no politician Tell me things I ought to be Neither no optician Tell me what I ought to see No one tells you nothing Even when you know they know They tell you what you should be They don't like to see you grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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