Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2005 NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH --- --- Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005 from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached Europe as feared. It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1 that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people. It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu pandemic. Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150 Science and technology news and features updated daily at http://www.newscientist.com Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at: http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169 When they kick out your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting on death row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2005 Hi Fraggle On the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who is high up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to be much of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it have been working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see before I even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die giving birth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu > NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH > > --- > --- > Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe > > The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by > the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005 > from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached > Europe as feared. > > It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai > Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1 > that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people. > It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu > pandemic. > > Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news: > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150 > > Science and technology news and features updated daily at > http://www.newscientist.com > > Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at: > http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169 > > > When they kick out your front door > How you gonna come? > With your hands on your head > Or on the trigger of your gun > > When the law break in > How you gonna go? > Shot down on the pavement > Or waiting on death row > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2005 They reckon that by the time it turns up in people here it will take 3-4 months to make a vaccine, and so they are stock pilling anti biotics. Good old anti bionics! The Valley Vegan........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2005 except..its the flu... antibiotics don't work against the flu..they don't work against viruses peter hurd Oct 14, 2005 11:13 AM Re: bird flu They reckon that by the time it turns up in people here it will take 3-4 months to make a vaccine, and so they are stock pilling anti biotics. Good old anti bionics! The Valley Vegan........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 14, 2005 Hi Fraggle I think Peter meant anti-virals. Jo - fraggle Friday, October 14, 2005 7:33 PM Re: bird flu except..its the flu... antibiotics don't work against the flu..they don't work against viruses peter hurd Oct 14, 2005 11:13 AM Re: bird flu They reckon that by the time it turns up in people here it will take 3-4 months to make a vaccine, and so they are stock pilling anti biotics. Good old anti bionics! The Valley Vegan........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2005 I think we're gearing up for another pharmaceutical company make a mint on flu vaccines push. The CDC numbers are: In 1999, 1665 people died in the U.S. from flu. In 2000, 1765 deaths. In 2001, 257 deaths. In 2002, 753 deaths. Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, October 14, 2005 7:39 AM bird flu > NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH > > --- > --- > Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe > > The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by > the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005 > from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached > Europe as feared. > > It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai > Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1 > that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people. > It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu > pandemic. > > Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news: > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150 > > Science and technology news and features updated daily at > http://www.newscientist.com > > Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at: > http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169 > > > When they kick out your front door > How you gonna come? > With your hands on your head > Or on the trigger of your gun > > When the law break in > How you gonna go? > Shot down on the pavement > Or waiting on death row > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2005 The real killer with flu is usually bacterial pnuemonia. And the folks it usually gets are the elderly, the very young, compromised immune system AND folks that wait too long to see a doc. Antibiotics work on the pneumonia. Well, if folks haven't been over medicated and the antibiotics still work on them. Lynda - fraggle Friday, October 14, 2005 11:33 AM Re: bird flu except..its the flu... antibiotics don't work against the flu..they don't work against viruses Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 15, 2005 I aint big and I aint clever. The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Fraggle I think Peter meant anti-virals. Jo - fraggle Friday, October 14, 2005 7:33 PM Re: bird flu except..its the flu... antibiotics don't work against the flu..they don't work against viruses peter hurd Oct 14, 2005 11:13 AM Re: bird flu They reckon that by the time it turns up in people here it will take 3-4 months to make a vaccine, and so they are stock pilling anti biotics. Good old anti bionics! The Valley Vegan........jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant "future panademic" statements may just be that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxFriday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 it depends on if and when the flu mutates... if it changes so it easily passes from person to person, as it does from birf to bird now, doesn't matter who you are er wot ya eat Jonnie Hellens Oct 18, 2005 12:31 PM Re: bird flu It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant "future panademic" statements may just be that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi FraggleOn the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who ishigh up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to bemuch of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it havebeen working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see beforeI even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die givingbirth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far.Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxFriday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 HI Jonnie I don't think you can catch it from eating the birds - I think it is prolonged close contact with ill birds that is the cause. Jo , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote: > > It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant " future panademic " statements may just be that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans. > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:Hi Fraggle > > On the radio yesterday evening there was an interview with someone who is > high up in our health circles and he was saying it is most unlikely to be > much of a threat to people here. Most of the people who have caught it have > been working very closely with sick birds. I think I'll wait and see before > I even think of panicking. There's far more people in Britain die giving > birth each year than people in the world who have died of avian flu so far. > > Jo > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Friday, October 14, 2005 3:39 PM > bird flu > > > > NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH > > > > --- > > --- > > Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe > > > > The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by > > the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005 > > from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached > > Europe as feared. > > > > It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai > > Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1 > > that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people. > > It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu > > pandemic. > > > > Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150 > > > > Science and technology news and features updated daily at > > http://www.newscientist.com > > > > Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at: > > http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169 > > > > > > When they kick out your front door > > How you gonna come? > > With your hands on your head > > Or on the trigger of your gun > > > > When the law break in > > How you gonna go? > > Shot down on the pavement > > Or waiting on death row > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Jonnie > It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant "future panademic" statements may just be > that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans. So far, a grand total of 120 people have been infected. Just in case you missed that... one hundred and twenty. That is approximately 0.0000000001% of the world's population. OK, it has killed 50% of those, but it's hardly a large number of people who have caught it - you stand about as much chance of dying in a space-ship explosion. It's been contracted only by poultry farmers who frequently handle chickens. I really don't think it's worth worrying about... they just want to pump chemicals into everyone, and it's a good excuse to panic people into thinking it's a good thing. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter I agree. The media is trying to panic everyone, and unfortunately everyone seems to be panicking! BB Jo , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > > Hi Jonnie > > > It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant " future panademic " statements may just be > > that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans. > > So far, a grand total of 120 people have been infected. Just in case you missed that... one hundred and twenty. That is approximately 0.0000000001% of the world's population. OK, it has killed 50% of those, but it's hardly a large number of people who have caught it - you stand about as much chance of dying in a space-ship explosion. It's been contracted only by poultry farmers who frequently handle chickens. I really don't think it's worth worrying about... they just want to pump chemicals into everyone, and it's a good excuse to panic people into thinking it's a good thing. > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 In the information that the U.S. put together, at the bottom is a paragraph on having the National Guard ready to be brought out if needed. Just one more step toward Amerika! Hey Fraggle, when are we going to buy our own island? Lynda - Peter Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:16 PM Re: bird flu Hi Jonnie > It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant "future panademic" statements may just be > that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans. So far, a grand total of 120 people have been infected. Just in case you missed that... one hundred and twenty. That is approximately 0.0000000001% of the world's population. OK, it has killed 50% of those, but it's hardly a large number of people who have caught it - you stand about as much chance of dying in a space-ship explosion. It's been contracted only by poultry farmers who frequently handle chickens. I really don't think it's worth worrying about... they just want to pump chemicals into everyone, and it's a good excuse to panic people into thinking it's a good thing. BB Peter Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/130 - Release 10/12/2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Each year my doc makes it quite clear that my son and I are to get 'shot'. I wonder if I should reconsider this practice?Lynda <lurine wrote: I think we're gearing up for another pharmaceutical company make a mint on flu vaccines push.The CDC numbers are:In 1999, 1665 people died in the U.S. from flu.In 2000, 1765 deaths.In 2001, 257 deaths.In 2002, 753 deaths.Lynda- "fraggle" <EBbrewpunxFriday, October 14, 2005 7:39 AM bird flu> NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH>> ---> ---> Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe>> The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by> the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005> from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached> Europe as feared.>> It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai> Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1> that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people.> It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu> pandemic.>> Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news:> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150>> Science and technology news and features updated daily at> http://www.newscientist.com>> Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at:> http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169>>> When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun>> When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 I'm not supposed to say, but some of the questions I ask people is have you had a flu shot, how many servings of french fries a week do you eat, and how many servings of beans do you eat a week? it is interesting... , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote: > > Each year my doc makes it quite clear that my son and I are to get 'shot'. I wonder if I should reconsider this practice? > > Lynda <lurine@s...> wrote:I think we're gearing up for another pharmaceutical company make a mint on > flu vaccines push. > > The CDC numbers are: > In 1999, 1665 people died in the U.S. from flu. > In 2000, 1765 deaths. > In 2001, 257 deaths. > In 2002, 753 deaths. > > Lynda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Jonnie Unfortuantely you are in a difficult position as you have a heart condition. You may well be one of the few people who actually do need the shots. I'm no expert, but maybe you could read as much as possible on the internet etc. and then judge. Jo , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote: > > Each year my doc makes it quite clear that my son and I are to get 'shot'. I wonder if I should reconsider this practice? > > Lynda <lurine@s...> wrote:I think we're gearing up for another pharmaceutical company make a mint on > flu vaccines push. > > The CDC numbers are: > In 1999, 1665 people died in the U.S. from flu. > In 2000, 1765 deaths. > In 2001, 257 deaths. > In 2002, 753 deaths. > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Friday, October 14, 2005 7:39 AM > bird flu > > > > NewScientist.com - NEWSFLASH > > > > --- > > --- > > Deadly Asian bird flu is in Europe > > > > The bird flu outbreak in turkeys in northwest Turkey was caused by > > the same strain of H5N1 bird flu that was isolated in August 2005 > > from poultry in Siberia - meaning that the deadly strain has reached > > Europe as feared. > > > > It is the same virus as found in wild birds in Mongolia and Qinghai > > Lake in China in spring 2004. Those in turn derived from the H5N1 > > that has spread across East Asia, so far killing at least 60 people. > > It is thought to pose the greatest current risk of a human flu > > pandemic. > > > > Click on the link below for the full story on NewScientist.com/news: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8150 > > > > Science and technology news and features updated daily at > > http://www.newscientist.com > > > > Subscribe to New Scientist magazine and get 4 FREE ISSUES at: > > http://www.qssa.co.uk/new_scientist/default.asp?promcode=2169 > > > > > > When they kick out your front door > > How you gonna come? > > With your hands on your head > > Or on the trigger of your gun > > > > When the law break in > > How you gonna go? > > Shot down on the pavement > > Or waiting on death row > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 eh..wot national guard..they are all in iraq they'll just toss out posse comitatus and bring in the Army.. as for island...thats a sucker beat...i'd buy an island, and with global warmin i'd end up with a sunken reef in a year... Lynda Oct 18, 2005 2:22 PM Re: bird flu In the information that the U.S. put together, at the bottom is a paragraph on having the National Guard ready to be brought out if needed. Just one more step toward Amerika! Hey Fraggle, when are we going to buy our own island? Lynda - Peter Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:16 PM Re: bird flu Hi Jonnie > It's hard to say, since the media is looking for good stories and their constant "future panademic" statements may just be > that. I had wondered how hard it was to get the illness for vegans. So far, a grand total of 120 people have been infected. Just in case you missed that... one hundred and twenty. That is approximately 0.0000000001% of the world's population. OK, it has killed 50% of those, but it's hardly a large number of people who have caught it - you stand about as much chance of dying in a space-ship explosion. It's been contracted only by poultry farmers who frequently handle chickens. I really don't think it's worth worrying about... they just want to pump chemicals into everyone, and it's a good excuse to panic people into thinking it's a good thing. BB Peter Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/130 - Release 10/12/2005 To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 Hi Fraggle > bird flu has a mortality rate of over 50%.... On a sample which would not be considered large enough to constitute a proper survey. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 i'm talking about its mortality rate in birds(also in ppl) if this more dangerous version mutates, and gets a genetic *drift* so its easily suceptible and transmisible from person to person...umm....thats a problem Peter Oct 19, 2005 11:03 AM Re: bird flu Hi Fraggle > bird flu has a mortality rate of over 50%.... On a sample which would not be considered large enough to constitute a proper survey. BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 The governments seem to want to panic everyone - it's sort of like gossip really. I don't think it's likely to drift. I reckon the best thing to do is for everyone to try to be as fit as possible, and rather than worry have a supply of natural immune boosters and natural anti-virals ready. If we all worry we will make ourselves ill. Jo Fraggle wrote : i'm talking about its mortality rate in birds(also in ppl) if this more dangerous version mutates, and gets a genetic *drift* so its easily suceptible and transmisible from person to person...umm....thats a problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 i'm not saying panic i'm saying be aware fore warned is fore armed and all that tho..we'd look strange with 4 arms heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 19, 2005 1:17 PM Re: bird flu The governments seem to want to panic everyone - it's sort of like gossip really. I don't think it's likely to drift. I reckon the best thing to do is for everyone to try to be as fit as possible, and rather than worry have a supply of natural immune boosters and natural anti-virals ready. If we all worry we will make ourselves ill. Jo Fraggle wrote : i'm talking about its mortality rate in birds(also in ppl) if this more dangerous version mutates, and gets a genetic *drift* so its easily suceptible and transmisible from person to person...umm....thats a problem To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 And sales of twin neck guitars would sky rocket! Seriously, shit happens, why worry over something that you have little or no control over? you could get run over tomorrow, but it aint going to stop you crossing roads is it? We all gotta go some time. The Valley Vegan.............. Smiling in the face of adversity...........fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i'm not saying panici'm saying be awarefore warned is fore armed and all thattho..we'd look strange with 4 armsheartwerk Oct 19, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: bird fluThe governments seem to want to panic everyone - it's sort of likegossip really. I don't think it's likely to drift. I reckon the bestthing to do is for everyone to try to be as fit as possible, andrather than worry have a supply of natural immune boosters and naturalanti-virals ready. If we all worry we will make ourselves ill.JoFraggle wrote : i'm talking about its mortality rate in birds(also in ppl)if this more dangerous version mutates, and gets a genetic *drift* soits easily suceptible and transmisible from person toperson...umm....thats a problemTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 LOL - I agree - that was why I was suggesting stocking up with a little supply of natural anti-virals etc. There's not much else we can do personally. If avian flu hits an area of humans - it's always difficult to get to a doctor quickly, I reckon you wouldn't get good service from them - and would be better off treating yourself in the meantime. It certainly doesn't do any harm and might make the difference to the outcome of the flu. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > i'm not saying panic > i'm saying be aware > fore warned is fore armed and all that > tho..we'd look strange with 4 arms > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 19, 2005 1:17 PM > > Re: bird flu > > The governments seem to want to panic everyone - it's sort of like > gossip really. I don't think it's likely to drift. I reckon the best > thing to do is for everyone to try to be as fit as possible, and > rather than worry have a supply of natural immune boosters and natural > anti-virals ready. If we all worry we will make ourselves ill. > > Jo > > > Fraggle wrote : i'm talking about its mortality rate in birds(also in ppl) > if this more dangerous version mutates, and gets a genetic *drift* so > its easily suceptible and transmisible from person to > person...umm....thats a problem > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 i think its also important to realize that the driving engine of avian flu is the modern factory farm overcrowded messes in asia..where any disease is going to escalate, not t omention it has a wonderful lil breeding ground there..ad that to the fact that other critters are often kept in very close proximity(like pigs) and we are just beggin fer a shot at another pandemic heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 19, 2005 1:34 PM Re: bird flu LOL - I agree - that was why I was suggesting stocking up with a little supply of natural anti-virals etc. There's not much else we can do personally. If avian flu hits an area of humans - it's always difficult to get to a doctor quickly, I reckon you wouldn't get good service from them - and would be better off treating yourself in the meantime. It certainly doesn't do any harm and might make the difference to the outcome of the flu. Jo When they kick out your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting on death row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
