Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Crikes! , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > Hi Jo / Fraggle > > As I recall, vampire bats " favourite " area is the anus... apparently it's > nice soft skin, so easy to pearce (partticularly in poultry)! They tend to > go for legs of cattle, as that's a good place for getting a good supply of > blood! On the odd occasions that they go for humans, it is ordinarily on the > inside of the calf. > > BB > Peter > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:20 PM > Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > > > > wasn't talking about vampire bats anyways > > and they go fer wherever they can easily get to the critter.... > > they land on the ground and walk up some sleeping critter generally, but > also seen em fly up to a bovine and land on its flank.... > > > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 4, 2005 11:58 PM > > > > Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > > > > Maybe the confirmed cases have happened since the programme was made. > > In the programme he was talking worldwide - even wherever they have > > the vampire bats, which apparently don't go for the neck of animals, > > but the legs. It was a very interesting programme. > > > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi lynda, I am interested in what you said about you cultivating endangered flowers. In the future, could i possibly buy some seeds from you. do you think they would grow well in florida? I love to have plants that are rare. I just got an orchid and so far its doing well. as for playboy? you musta been/must be good looking. no magazine in their right mind would ask Me to pose, lets just say I don't fit their qualifications. I'm UGly! My resume is not that impressive, but I plan to always keep myself active in life. I have to be working on my third or fourth masters or PHd, by the time I am in my sixties, one should never stop learning. my favorite color is Red. and Green, but not together, cause then it's christmas. , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > I guess you don't have much experience with small or large for that matter, wild critters. They bite because they are scared. Somehow I don't think that translates into pipistrelles thinking children are their food. AND, most critters that are easy enough for small children to pick up are usually ill. > > And again, it is the whole this side or that side of the pond, David Attenborough may be the most respected expert on wildlife on your side of the pond but if you asked folks on this side, from most of them you'd get a " huh, who the heck is he? " > > Also, I didn't think we were keeping score but if you insist, I'd put a doctor up against a television journalist any day of the week. A natural sciences course in the 40s hardly compares with folks who are currently practicing medicine. > > As to the question about how many jobs I've had, I didn't realise a resume was required but since you asked, it is long but I'll give ya the short version and leave out the part about hobnobbing with politicians and movie stars <g> > > Let's see, political activist (beginning at age 5 and including People's Park [no, Patty Heast was not kidnapped, yes, Patty Hearst was arrested on several occasions for intent to insite a riot], Alcatraz, etc.and Nancy Ling Perry was a close friend), paralegal [wanna see my Xmas cards from Melvin Belli?], Nursing Services Coordinator [rehab center], telemetry unit coordinator, radiology unit coordinator, grant writing, ranch owner, grocery store manager, fast foods manager, registrar [public school], admin asst. to the purchasing agent [City of Santa Rosa], fiscal administrator [reservation] and half a dozen other jobs. I find most businesses to be boring and I don't do bored very well, so I move on to more interesting areas. Plus, one can do more than one job at a time. I owned a ranch for 14 years while I also co-owned a meat market and managed a couple of fast foods outfits. I still do grant planning and have done it while doing other jobs. I worked with ex-offenders programs and did and still do animal rescue while working 9 to 5 jobs. Hey, and I managed to raise 6 kids of my own and a couple of dozen foster kids and " orphans " and homeschooled them, headed up 4-H groups and hauled the kids and horses to horse shows. I'm the original multi-tasker <g> And in my spare time I knit, crochet, paint, grow organic veggies, grow flowers [mostly natives and rare and endangered plants], sew, do cross-stitch, play the piano, the organ, violin and the dulcimer and the youngest kidlet and I are going to learn Japanese. > > What I haven't done is drive big equipment which is something I've always wanted to do. But, hey, I've still got time to do it. Maybe driving earthmovers will be my next hobby. > > And while I've never been a doctor or a surgeon, I have stitched up gaping wounds [117 stitches], set a broken leg and given shots and done IVs. > > Oh, and I was once recruited by a survivalist group, won an audition for the Mickey Mouse Club and was asked to do Playboy Magazine <<bg>> > > I've been an extra in movies, been interviewed on television, interviewed for books [even have a whole chapter in one devoted to me and mine] and I'm noted as a reference in articles on history. > > Let's see, I don't like airplanes or brussel sprouts or ocra or cooked spinach. I love broccoli, " salad " sandwiches, anything mint and books, not to eat, of course <g> > > Least I forget, my favorite color is purple and always has been, I don't like satin sheets and I drink green tea with lemon grass or orange pekoe tea and Diet Rite. I hate coffee. I love crunchy apples like Pippins, Granny Smith and Gravensteins. I hate mushy apples, mushrooms and soggy cabbage. > > Is there anything else you'd like to know? Just ask away. BTW, I don't play bridge. > > Lynda > - > Peter > > Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:45 PM > Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > > > Lynda > > > Well, perhaps not on your side of the pond but there is at last one case of human death from rabies from bats each year. > > Nope. There are deaths which are *claimed* to be bat related. But not one single incident with *proof* of a connection. Unless you wish to argue with David Attenborough on the subject! > > > Six of the 45 bat species in the U.S. have transmitted rabies to humans: the silver-haired bat (Lasionyctens noctivagans), the > > Mexican free-tailed bat (Tadarida brasiliensis), the big brown bat (Eptesicus fuscus), the eastern pipistrelle (Pipistrellus subflavus) > > and two suspected being western (Myotis ciliolabrum) and small-footed myotis. > > The problem with bats is usually children. They see a small critter and they pick them up. They don't even realise they have > > been bitten or if they do, don't tell a parent. > > Ummmm.... pipistrelles eat insects... they'd have to be *very* small children to be of interest to pipistrelles. > > > I didn't invent this just to chat on an e-mail list. We routinely take kids (we've been leading 4-H groups, fostering kids) on > > camping trips, caving, hiking, etc. and give them a standard on what to watch for. Our standard is don't touch the animals, not > > scare tactics but we have to be aware of what we are around inorder to keep the little 2 legged charges safe. I've worked in > > hospitals and been doing my own vet work for over 35 years and this is standard information available in the U.S. If your > > information is different on your side of the pond, so be it but that doesn't make " our " information wrong. > > It's always good to be careful, so I'm not saying don't be aware of any wild animals... but my information is from a David Attenborough programme on the BBC. David Attenborough is probably the worlds most respected expert on wildlife. I think that probably trumps your work in hospitals. BTW, is there any job you *haven't* done????? > > Peter > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi peter, I work for the governmetn and one of the agencys I work for is the CDC, the center for disease control. I also work for national cancer institute, the ucla, et al. I am having moral problaems with them, so I keep wanting to quit. my cowerkers think that I am silly for having issues cause they pay very well. But I am VEgan, for lack of a better word, does not emcompass me,altoghetr but in general vegans are like that. , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > Hi Fraggle > >> Sorry, but the programme was about America, not England! Don't know who the CDC are, but they are arguing with the most respected naturalist in the world! > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Hi jo, I think lynda, has expressed regret in a previous email regarding her meat butchering days. If i remember correctly. I once met a meat buthcher who turned vegetarian. (for health reasons only though). , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > Doesn't really seem to mix well with animal rescue, to my mind anyway! > > Jo > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > I owned a ranch for 14 years while I also co-owned a meat market > and managed a couple of fast foods outfits. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 <<BIG SNIP>> > > Is there anything else you'd like to know? Just ask away. BTW, I don't play bridge. Yes, I have a question. What topic do you not know about? That is what I would like to talk about next. I'm tired of everyone on this list being wrong unless they agree with you, not knowing what they are talking about, being told what their opinion should be and so on. I would like an open discussion for once without someone always having to be the authority on the subject. And the holier-than-thou attitude. If you know something someone doesn't share it by all means. I love to learn! But you would make a bad teacher as condescending as you are. And even teachers admit that they are sometimes wrong. I wish I could always be as right as you. I am also tired of biting my tongue and not replying. I am sorry to the others on the list, I do not like to lash out. But this is one of my fav groups to chat on and I just feel like there is no longer anything to say. Because I know if I do " someone " will just come along and bash it. I'm tired of seeing my friends being bashed too. We have always been an open and honest group. And I love that. So that is why I am speaking out now. Besides, the teeth marks in my tongue from all the replies I didn't send are starting to bleed. Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Have you always been vegetarian? Well, I didn't always do animal rescues and at the ripe old age of 17 got married and became co-owner and then worked in a butchershop. And I originally did bird and wildlife rescues. Still do but have since widened the focus of our rescues. Lynda - " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:30 AM Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > Doesn't really seem to mix well with animal rescue, to my mind anyway! > > Jo > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: >> I owned a ranch for 14 years while I also co-owned a meat market > and managed a couple of fast foods outfits. I > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hi Fraggle > maybe true..but when i was in northern mexico..i saw the lil vampires...(our host delighted in showing the vegans the blood > suckers)...he showed us to a neighbors stall..and this lil bats were on the ground and walking up to these sleeping pigs > and..umm..biting around the teats The programme I saw didn't mention pigs, so maybe teats is a good place to get blood from on a pig... > c. wot won't wake the victime Interesting thing is that a bite from a vampire bat very rarely wakes the victim... and no-one knows why!!!! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 i thought they had isolated a chemical in their saliva which numbs the skin??? as well as other chemicals that act as anti-coagulants.... Peter <metalscarab Oct 6, 2005 10:21 AM Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS Hi Fraggle Interesting thing is that a bite from a vampire bat very rarely wakes the victim... and no-one knows why!!!! BB Peter RIGHT NOW in this new world order, RIGHT NOW no one is free RIGHT NOW Corporations own this world RIGHT NOW we are victems of thier greed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 That and they make like a little slice that they compared to getting a paper cut. You don't feel it when it is happening and by the time you would you've got the whatsit in there and it is numb. Now, my question was, who the heck was the fool that let the bats bite them so they'd know this stuff! Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:48 AM Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS >i thought they had isolated a chemical in their saliva which numbs the >skin??? > as well as other chemicals that act as anti-coagulants.... > > > Peter <metalscarab > Oct 6, 2005 10:21 AM > > Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > > Hi Fraggle > > > > Interesting thing is that a bite from a vampire bat very rarely wakes the > victim... and no-one knows why!!!! > > BB > Peter > > > RIGHT NOW > in this new world order, > RIGHT NOW > no one is free > RIGHT NOW > Corporations own this world > RIGHT NOW > we are victems of thier greed > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 don't know a lot of goths i take it then? Lynda <lurine Oct 6, 2005 12:09 PM Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS That and they make like a little slice that they compared to getting a paper cut. You don't feel it when it is happening and by the time you would you've got the whatsit in there and it is numb. Now, my question was, who the heck was the fool that let the bats bite them so they'd know this stuff! Lynda RIGHT NOW in this new world order, RIGHT NOW no one is free RIGHT NOW Corporations own this world RIGHT NOW we are victems of thier greed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Well, I finally got this one way out of order. I answered the part about the flowers in another post. As to Playboy, I was 17 and would have had to wait a year. I think they were more interested in the body than in the beauty <g> Besides, I was newly married and it was NOT impressed! Color him green with jealousy. I kept the contract because it was kewl but NO WAY was I going to parade around half nekkid in front of a bunch of people. It was bad enough when my girlfriend who modeled for Merle Norman talked me into modeling nylons when we were in high school. It was kinda creepy! My resume isn't all that impressive. I just get bored easily and go looking for something else to do. They'd probably decide I was ADHD now and want to stuff me full of Ritalin. AND, you are NOT ugly! All of your messages here tell me you are a beautiful person and that is the most important thing of all!!!!!!! Lynda - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato > Hi lynda, > I am interested in what you said about you cultivating endangered flowers. > In the future, could i possibly buy some seeds from you. > do you think they would grow well in florida? > I love to have plants that are rare. I just got an orchid > and so far its doing well. > > as for playboy? > you musta been/must be good looking. no magazine in their right > mind would ask Me to pose, lets just say I don't fit their > qualifications. I'm UGly! > > My resume is not that impressive, but I plan to always keep myself > active in life. > I have to be working on my third or fourth masters or PHd, by the time > I am in my sixties, one should never stop learning. > my favorite color is Red. and Green, but not together, cause then it's > christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Well, that would explain why I don't see that many Goths around anymore. The science lab folks have snatched them all off the streets! See, there is a conspiracy against alternative life folks! Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:05 PM Re: Re: possible " carnivore " origin of SARS > > don't know a lot of goths i take it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hi Fraggle > i thought they had isolated a chemical in their saliva which numbs the skin??? > as well as other chemicals that act as anti-coagulants.... I don't know about anti-coagulants. On the other point though... it was thought for years that this was the case, but on a full chemical analysis of vampire bat saliva, they found that there was no chemical reason why people didn't feel them biting... at least that was how it stoof about 3 years ago :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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