URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

[Guest guest]

Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.

One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in

Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told

me that previously I was riding my bike on the

pavement.

 

Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria

Street, London EC4N 4XY

Tube (Underground): Bank

 

Thursday 18th August 2005

at 2 pm

 

Case: S 02110332/01 (01)

 

Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and

does not like police members, who instead to do there

job, are doing something else.

 

Yannis (Ioannis)

 

 

 

_________

To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new

Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of

pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other

gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it

should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings

etc. like a pedestrian.

 

I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are

doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the

pedestrians (particularly in towns).

 

Jo

 

, ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>

wrote:

> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.

> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in

> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told

> me that previously I was riding my bike on the

> pavement.

>

> Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria

> Street, London EC4N 4XY

> Tube (Underground): Bank

>

> Thursday 18th August 2005

> at 2 pm

>

> Case: S 02110332/01 (01)

>

> Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and

> does not like police members, who instead to do there

> job, are doing something else.

>

> Yannis (Ioannis)

>

>

>

> _________

> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all

new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but in

most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mind

small children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong on

the streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give big

kids and adults a strong shove when they go by!

 

Lynda

-

heartwerk <heartwork

 

Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM

Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London

or are here Thursday

 

 

> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of

> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other

> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it

> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings

> etc. like a pedestrian.

>

> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are

> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the

> pedestrians (particularly in towns).

>

> Jo

>

> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>

> wrote:

> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.

> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in

> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told

> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the

> > pavement.

> >

> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria

> > Street, London EC4N 4XY

> > Tube (Underground): Bank

> >

> > Thursday 18th August 2005

> > at 2 pm

> >

> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)

> >

> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and

> > does not like police members, who instead to do there

> > job, are doing something else.

> >

> > Yannis (Ioannis)

> >

> >

> >

> > _________

> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all

> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the sidewalk

i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike riders......

 

Lynda <lurine

Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

 

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London

or are here Thursday

 

You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but in

most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

 

a blinding flash

hotter than the sun

dead bodies lie across the path

the radiation colors the air

finishing one by one

[Guest guest]

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen

Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???

 

Jo

 

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

 

 

>

> depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the

sidewalk

> i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike

riders......

>

> Lynda <lurine

> Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

>

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

>

> You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but

in

> most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

>

> a blinding flash

> hotter than the sun

> dead bodies lie across the path

> the radiation colors the air

> finishing one by one

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

-

peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

i take it pavement means something else over across the pond then

 

pavement is wot roads are made of ..... Jo Cwazy Aug 17, 2005 11:26 AM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

-

peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

depends on wot region...and whether officer friendly is having a bad day

jaywalking is definately illegal...

people get fined for it all the time..its a fave tactic the police use during

protests

 

 

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

Aug 17, 2005 11:19 AM

 

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London

or are here Thursday

 

Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???

 

Jo

 

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

 

 

>

> depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the

sidewalk

> i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike

riders......

>

> Lynda <lurine

> Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

>

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

>

> You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but

in

> most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

>

> a blinding flash

> hotter than the sun

> dead bodies lie across the path

> the radiation colors the air

> finishing one by one

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Only in some cities and only some cops. If they were serious about it you

wouldn't read about one to five folks each day getting hit by cars as they

are jaywalking. I think in some cities it is considered a sport. Folks

wait till the last minute to dart across the street and drivers keep their

eyes alert for any human motion and aim for it. The pedestrian that makes

it safely across the most times wins.

 

Lynda

-

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

 

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:19 AM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

 

 

> Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

>

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

>

>

> >

> > depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the

> sidewalk

> > i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike

> riders......

> >

> > Lynda <lurine

> > Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

> >

> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

> >

> > You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but

> in

> > most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

> >

> > a blinding flash

> > hotter than the sun

> > dead bodies lie across the path

> > the radiation colors the air

> > finishing one by one

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

[Guest guest]

Here you really take your life in your hands if you ride ur bike on the street. I've been hit on my bike and been hit while in my truck. I'ld rather ride my bike, but not if people are gonna disregard my safety.Lynda <lurine wrote:

You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but inmost states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mindsmall children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong onthe streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give bigkids and adults a strong shove when they go by!Lynda-heartwerk <heartworkTuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in Londonor are here Thursday> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as

it> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings> etc. like a pedestrian.>> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the> pedestrians (particularly in towns).>> Jo>> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>> wrote:> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the> > pavement.> >> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> > Street, London EC4N 4XY> > Tube (Underground): Bank> >> > Thursday 18th August 2005> > at 2 pm> >> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)>

>> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> > does not like police members, who instead to do there> > job, are doing something else.> >> > Yannis (Ioannis)> >> >> >> > _________> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.>>>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

very true

must be much worse in phoenix..

here they at least have some bike lanes....

 

ain't a whole heck of a lot better on a motorcycle...takin my lil life into my own paws every single day...

Jonnie Hellens Aug 17, 2005 12:12 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

Here you really take your life in your hands if you ride ur bike on the street. I've been hit on my bike and been hit while in my truck. I'ld rather ride my bike, but not if people are gonna disregard my safety.Lynda <lurine wrote: You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but inmost states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mindsmall children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong onthe streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give bigkids and adults a strong shove when they go by!Lynda-heartwerk <heartworkTuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in Londonor are here Thursday> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings> etc. like a pedestrian.>> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the> pedestrians (particularly in towns).>> Jo>> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>> wrote:> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the> > pavement.> >> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> > Street, London EC4N 4XY> > Tube (Underground): Bank> >> > Thursday 18th August 2005> > at 2 pm> >> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> >> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> > does not like police members, who instead to do there> > job, are doing something else.> >> > Yannis (Ioannis)> >> >> >> > _________> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.>>>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

No point in having a bike and pushing it now is there?, plus it would block the pavement from pedestrians who would undoubtably take offence ( not the fence).

Who told you that pavements were safe for anyone?

 

The Valley Vegan..............Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

 

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

-

peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen

Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

Pavement - path - sidewalk ???

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

i take it pavement means something else over across the pond then

 

pavement is wot roads are made of ..... Jo Cwazy Aug 17, 2005 11:26 AM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

-

peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

[Guest guest]

Oh!!!

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

> depends on wot region...and whether officer friendly is having a bad day

> jaywalking is definately illegal...

> people get fined for it all the time..its a fave tactic the police use

during protests

>

>

> Jo Cwazy <heartwork

> Aug 17, 2005 11:19 AM

>

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

>

> Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

>

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

>

>

> >

> > depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the

> sidewalk

> > i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike

> riders......

> >

> > Lynda <lurine

> > Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

> >

> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

> >

> > You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but

> in

> > most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

> >

> > a blinding flash

> > hotter than the sun

> > dead bodies lie across the path

> > the radiation colors the air

> > finishing one by one

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

[Guest guest]

LOL! I reckon that's what happens here. Many years ago my great-aunt used

to be walking along the path (sidewalk, whatever) in London and then just

turn and walk straight across the road without even looking. How she lived

to be 84 I'll never know.

 

Jo

 

 

 

Only in some cities and only some cops. If they were serious about it you

wouldn't read about one to five folks each day getting hit by cars as they

are jaywalking. I think in some cities it is considered a sport. Folks

wait till the last minute to dart across the street and drivers keep their

eyes alert for any human motion and aim for it. The pedestrian that makes

it safely across the most times wins.

 

Lynda

-

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

 

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:19 AM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

London or are here Thursday

 

 

> Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

>

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM

> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

>

>

> >

> > depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the

> sidewalk

> > i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike

> riders......

> >

> > Lynda <lurine

> > Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM

> >

> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in

> London or are here Thursday

> >

> > You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but

> in

> > most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I

> >

> > a blinding flash

> > hotter than the sun

> > dead bodies lie across the path

> > the radiation colors the air

> > finishing one by one

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

[Guest guest]

There are a few bad motorcycle riders, but mostly it's pushbike riders that are a nuisance. I think if you are on a vehicle, and a pushbike is a vehicle, you should behave like a vehicle and not ride through all the red lights etc. which is what happens 90% of the time in London.

 

It's 35 years since we had a motorbike - an old BSA. I wonder what it's like to ride in all the traffic nowadays!

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:13 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

very true

must be much worse in phoenix..

here they at least have some bike lanes....

 

ain't a whole heck of a lot better on a motorcycle...takin my lil life into my own paws every single day...

Jonnie Hellens Aug 17, 2005 12:12 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

Here you really take your life in your hands if you ride ur bike on the street. I've been hit on my bike and been hit while in my truck. I'ld rather ride my bike, but not if people are gonna disregard my safety.Lynda <lurine wrote: You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but inmost states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mindsmall children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong onthe streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give bigkids and adults a strong shove when they go by!Lynda-heartwerk <heartworkTuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in Londonor are here Thursday> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings> etc. like a pedestrian.>> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the> pedestrians (particularly in towns).>> Jo>> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>> wrote:> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the> > pavement.> >> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> > Street, London EC4N 4XY> > Tube (Underground): Bank> >> > Thursday 18th August 2005> > at 2 pm> >> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> >> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> > does not like police members, who instead to do there> > job, are doing something else.> >> > Yannis (Ioannis)> >> >> >> > _________> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.>>>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

Pavements are meant to be safe places for people to walk along. If cyclists use them without dismounting they are not safe. Why is it more important for a cyclist to be happy than for a pedestrian to be safe?

 

Jo

 

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peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:28 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

No point in having a bike and pushing it now is there?, plus it would block the pavement from pedestrians who would undoubtably take offence ( not the fence).

Who told you that pavements were safe for anyone?

 

The Valley Vegan..............Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

 

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

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peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

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Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

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Not here. I'm very frustrated by all the peop who run out in front of me, across 6 or 7 lanes of traffic, usually with their young kids being drug along side of them. All too often on the news we hear of them getting hit. I often feel like getting out of my truck, going up to them and asking why they didn't use the dang crosswalk that is so close by!Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxWednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PMRe: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on thesidewalk> i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bikeriders......> > Lynda <lurine> Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes

on the sidewalks butin> most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >

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Ah, so that's what it is! Gee, I wasn't aware of that and have been spoiling the game taking evasive action and locking up my brakes to avoid the peds! Someone should have told me the rules beforehand. Who do I complain to about that?Lynda <lurine wrote:

Only in some cities and only some cops. If they were serious about it youwouldn't read about one to five folks each day getting hit by cars as theyare jaywalking. I think in some cities it is considered a sport. Folkswait till the last minute to dart across the street and drivers keep theireyes alert for any human motion and aim for it. The pedestrian that makesit safely across the most times wins.Lynda-Jo Cwazy <heartworkWednesday, August 17, 2005 11:19 AMRe: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday> Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???>> Jo>> ->

"fraggle" <EBbrewpunx> > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PM> Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in> London or are here Thursday>>> >> > depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on the> sidewalk> > i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bike> riders......> > > > Lynda <lurine> > Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM> > > > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in> London or are here Thursday> >> > You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but> in> > most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I> >>

> a blinding flash> > hotter than the sun> > dead bodies lie across the path> > the radiation colors the air> > finishing one by one> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >

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thats wot i guessed

the surface of a road here is called the pavement...

Jo Cwazy Aug 17, 2005 12:47 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

Pavement - path - sidewalk ???

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:43 PM

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i take it pavement means something else over across the pond then

 

pavement is wot roads are made of ..... Jo Cwazy Aug 17, 2005 11:26 AM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

In that case you should get off your bike and push it on the pavement or you on the pavement with the bike on the side of the road. Pavements are supposedly safe places for pedestrians.

 

Jo

 

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peter hurd

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 PM

Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

Jo,

As a part time cyclist, I find traffic and pedestrians very inconsiderate of bikers!

Not that I recomend cycling on pavements, but then again there are certain roads in city centres that I definately wouldnt consider riding a bike on.

 

The Valley Vegan......heartwerk <heartwork wrote:

I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings etc. like a pedestrian.I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the pedestrians (particularly in towns).Jo , ioannis Tsoucas wrote:> Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> me that previously I was riding my bike on the> pavement.> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> Street, London EC4N 4XY> Tube (Underground): Bank> > Thursday 18th August 2005> at 2 pm> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> does not like police members, who instead to do there> job, are doing something else.> > Yannis (Ioannis)> > > > _________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security.

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ok..

wot the heck is a pushbike then?

Jo Cwazy Aug 17, 2005 1:16 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

 

There are a few bad motorcycle riders, but mostly it's pushbike riders that are a nuisance. I think if you are on a vehicle, and a pushbike is a vehicle, you should behave like a vehicle and not ride through all the red lights etc. which is what happens 90% of the time in London.

 

It's 35 years since we had a motorbike - an old BSA. I wonder what it's like to ride in all the traffic nowadays!

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:13 PM

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very true

must be much worse in phoenix..

here they at least have some bike lanes....

 

ain't a whole heck of a lot better on a motorcycle...takin my lil life into my own paws every single day...

Jonnie Hellens Aug 17, 2005 12:12 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

Here you really take your life in your hands if you ride ur bike on the street. I've been hit on my bike and been hit while in my truck. I'ld rather ride my bike, but not if people are gonna disregard my safety.Lynda <lurine wrote: You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but inmost states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mindsmall children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong onthe streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give bigkids and adults a strong shove when they go by!Lynda-heartwerk <heartworkTuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in Londonor are here Thursday> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as it> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings> etc. like a pedestrian.>> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the> pedestrians (particularly in towns).>> Jo>> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>> wrote:> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the> > pavement.> >> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> > Street, London EC4N 4XY> > Tube (Underground): Bank> >> > Thursday 18th August 2005> > at 2 pm> >> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)> >> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> > does not like police members, who instead to do there> > job, are doing something else.> >> > Yannis (Ioannis)> >> >> >> > _________> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.>>>>>> To send an email to - >

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Do ya WANT grey hair?Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

 

It's 35 years since we had a motorbike - an old BSA. I wonder what it's like to ride in all the traffic nowadays!

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:13 PM

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very true

must be much worse in phoenix..

here they at least have some bike lanes....

 

ain't a whole heck of a lot better on a motorcycle...takin my lil life into my own paws every single day...

Jonnie Hellens Aug 17, 2005 12:12 PM Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in London or are here Thursday

Here you really take your life in your hands if you ride ur bike on the street. I've been hit on my bike and been hit while in my truck. I'ld rather ride my bike, but not if people are gonna disregard my safety.Lynda <lurine wrote: You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks but inmost states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I don't mindsmall children on their little bicycles because I don't think they belong onthe streets competing with cars. However, I have a strong urge to give bigkids and adults a strong shove when they go by!Lynda-heartwerk <heartworkTuesday, August 16, 2005 11:44 PM Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live in Londonor are here Thursday> I have mainly found people on bikes to be very inconsiderate of> pedestrians and quite a nuisance when riding on pavements. My other> gripe is that a bike may be on the road one minute acting, as

it> should, like a vehicle, and then going across pedestrian crossings> etc. like a pedestrian.>> I hope that the case makes bike riders think about what they are> doing, and helps them decide to leave the footpaths to the> pedestrians (particularly in towns).>> Jo>> , ioannis Tsoucas <itsoucas>> wrote:> > Evening, 29th December 2004, I have been arrested.> > One policeman and one policewoman have stopped me in> > Bishopsgate, riding my bike on the road and they told> > me that previously I was riding my bike on the> > pavement.> >> > Court hearing: The justice rooms, 1 Queen Victoria> > Street, London EC4N 4XY> > Tube (Underground): Bank> >> > Thursday 18th August 2005> > at 2 pm> >> > Case: S 02110332/01 (01)>

>> > Please come, everyone who likes bikers and bikes and> > does not like police members, who instead to do there> > job, are doing something else.> >> > Yannis (Ioannis)> >> >> >> > _________> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all> new Security Centre. http://uk.security.>>>>>> To send an email to - >

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Jaywalking is required and obligatory in nyc. It simply must be done.

There, we show the cars that pedestrians rule! People, there OWN the streets.

(I wouldn't try it anywhere else though)

 

 

 

 

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8/17/2005 2:27:57 PM

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Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxWednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PMRe: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on thesidewalk> i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bikeriders......> > Lynda <lurine> Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks butin> most states you will get a ticket and have to pay a fine. I>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >

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Portland, OR. They even had (when we lived there, don't know about now) the street lights set so that cars had two turns and then pedestrians had a free for all turn!

 

Lynda

 

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zurumato

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:46 PM

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Jaywalking is required and obligatory in nyc. It simply must be done.

There, we show the cars that pedestrians rule! People, there OWN the streets.

(I wouldn't try it anywhere else though)

 

 

 

 

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Jo Cwazy

 

8/17/2005 2:27:57 PM

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Is it true that the police are really hot on jaywalking in the States???Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxWednesday, August 17, 2005 5:09 PMRe: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> depends on who you are..i've seen folks arrested fer riding on thesidewalk> i've also seen cops let car drivers go after they slam into bikeriders......> > Lynda <lurine> Aug 17, 2005 7:20 AM> > Re: Re: URGENT COURTHERING - For those who live inLondon or are here Thursday>> You don't get arrested in the U.S. for riding bikes on the sidewalks butin> most states you will get a tick et and have to pay a fine. I>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >