Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 August 10, 2005 Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering The picture at the top of this blog is of cows in an Indian dairy-those allowed into a small corral, which most do not experience because they are usually chained into stalls for life. Many Indians are addicted to dairy products, and many believe that they must eat dairy products for health or religious reasons. Here is an eyewitness account from a welfare worker surveying the damage after last week's floods in Mumbai that might make soy milk seem the drink of choice from here on out. " The most affected area was Goregaon, where more than 2,000 buffaloes have died. Now most of the dairies lie empty with no movement inside, as the animals have died. A few dairies remained unaffected as [they were] located in higher areas, and a few dairies had some surviving buffaloes. [O]ne of the dairy owners ... had eight surviving buffaloes from a total of 200, as they could release these animals, which swam to another area and could survive. The other owner informed that ... all his buffaloes survived the floods because the water level could not reach beyond the neck region and the buffaloes stood with their head up for breathing and hence could survive. Source: http://www.ingridnewkirk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 This is true. I looove indian food. I 've just bought an Indian vegetarian cookbook. ( I couldn't find a vegan one) and there is a lot of milk and butter (gee) So I find myself substituting often. that being said,,,, Mango Lassi, tastes real good with soy yoghourt. - rvijay 8/12/2005 7:02:25 PM Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering August 10, 2005Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous SufferingThe picture at the top of this blog is of cows in an Indiandairy-those allowed into a small corral, which most do not experiencebecause they are usually chained into stalls for life. Many Indiansare addicted to dairy products, and many believe that they must eatdairy products for health or religious reasons. Here is an eyewitnessaccount from a welfare worker surveying the damage after last week'sfloods in Mumbai that might make soy milk seem the drink of choicefrom here on out."The most affected area was Goregaon, where more than 2,000 buffaloeshave died. Now most of the dairies lie empty with no movement inside,as the animals have died. A few dairies remained unaffected as [theywere] located in higher areas, and a few dairies had some survivingbuffaloes. [O]ne of the dairy owners ... had eight surviving buffaloesfrom a total of 200, as they could release these animals, which swamto another area and could survive. The other owner informed that ...all his buffaloes survived the floods because the water level couldnot reach beyond the neck region and the buffaloes stood with theirhead up for breathing and hence could survive.Source:http://www.ingridnewkirk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 This is unbelievable. You are almost like an Indian. Vijay , " zurumato@e... " <zurumato@e...> wrote: > This is true. I looove indian food. > I 've just bought an Indian vegetarian cookbook. ( I couldn't find a vegan one) > and there is a lot of milk and butter (gee) > So I find myself substituting often. > that being said,,,, Mango Lassi, tastes real good with soy yoghourt. > > > - > rvijay > > 8/12/2005 7:02:25 PM > Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > > > August 10, 2005 > Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > > The picture at the top of this blog is of cows in an Indian > dairy-those allowed into a small corral, which most do not experience > because they are usually chained into stalls for life. Many Indians > are addicted to dairy products, and many believe that they must eat > dairy products for health or religious reasons. Here is an eyewitness > account from a welfare worker surveying the damage after last week's > floods in Mumbai that might make soy milk seem the drink of choice > from here on out. > > " The most affected area was Goregaon, where more than 2,000 buffaloes > have died. Now most of the dairies lie empty with no movement inside, > as the animals have died. A few dairies remained unaffected as [they > were] located in higher areas, and a few dairies had some surviving > buffaloes. [O]ne of the dairy owners ... had eight surviving buffaloes > from a total of 200, as they could release these animals, which swam > to another area and could survive. The other owner informed that ... > all his buffaloes survived the floods because the water level could > not reach beyond the neck region and the buffaloes stood with their > head up for breathing and hence could survive. > > Source: > http://www.ingridnewkirk.com > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 My Hare Krishna friend swears there is a small part of the brain than needs cows milk to enable people to be spiritual !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought in India the cow and bull were sacred animals and should be left to live their own lives. Jo , " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> wrote: > August 10, 2005 > Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > > The picture at the top of this blog is of cows in an Indian > dairy-those allowed into a small corral, which most do not experience > because they are usually chained into stalls for life. Many Indians > are addicted to dairy products, and many believe that they must eat > dairy products for health or religious reasons. Here is an eyewitness > account from a welfare worker surveying the damage after last week's > floods in Mumbai that might make soy milk seem the drink of choice > from here on out. > > " The most affected area was Goregaon, where more than 2,000 buffaloes > have died. Now most of the dairies lie empty with no movement inside, > as the animals have died. A few dairies remained unaffected as [they > were] located in higher areas, and a few dairies had some surviving > buffaloes. [O]ne of the dairy owners ... had eight surviving buffaloes > from a total of 200, as they could release these animals, which swam > to another area and could survive. The other owner informed that ... > all his buffaloes survived the floods because the water level could > not reach beyond the neck region and the buffaloes stood with their > head up for breathing and hence could survive. > > Source: > http://www.ingridnewkirk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 mmmmmmmmmmmmm Mango Lassi. I also like pistachio lassi. Jo , " zurumato@e... " <zurumato@e...> wrote: > This is true. I looove indian food. > I 've just bought an Indian vegetarian cookbook. ( I couldn't find a vegan one) > and there is a lot of milk and butter (gee) > So I find myself substituting often. > that being said,,,, Mango Lassi, tastes real good with soy yoghourt. > > > - > rvijay > > 8/12/2005 7:02:25 PM > Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > > > August 10, 2005 > Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > > The picture at the top of this blog is of cows in an Indian > dairy-those allowed into a small corral, which most do not experience > because they are usually chained into stalls for life. Many Indians > are addicted to dairy products, and many believe that they must eat > dairy products for health or religious reasons. Here is an eyewitness > account from a welfare worker surveying the damage after last week's > floods in Mumbai that might make soy milk seem the drink of choice > from here on out. > > " The most affected area was Goregaon, where more than 2,000 buffaloes > have died. Now most of the dairies lie empty with no movement inside, > as the animals have died. A few dairies remained unaffected as [they > were] located in higher areas, and a few dairies had some surviving > buffaloes. [O]ne of the dairy owners ... had eight surviving buffaloes > from a total of 200, as they could release these animals, which swam > to another area and could survive. The other owner informed that ... > all his buffaloes survived the floods because the water level could > not reach beyond the neck region and the buffaloes stood with their > head up for breathing and hence could survive. > > Source: > http://www.ingridnewkirk.com > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Sure shocked me. I thought the same thing. So, anyone know when that changed? Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork > My Hare Krishna friend swears there is a small part of the brain than > needs cows milk to enable people to be spiritual !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I thought in India the cow and bull were sacred animals and should be > left to live their own lives. > > Jo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Sure shocked me. I thought the same thing. So, anyone know when that > changed? > > Lynda They are spiritual and are treated with great respect and very nicely. However, nothing wrong against using them in agriculture and for dairy products. (They seem to truly enjoy this interaction with nature and humans.) This is sort of like considered like the sacred duty of cows. Lord Krishna is also portrayed as liking milk and butter in all the legends. Hence, India likes milk. It was always like that. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I thought though that you could take a little milk from a wild cow, as long as you left enough for the calf. Surely if they are kept in farms the calves have to be killed off or removed so the milk can be sold. I don't see how this fits into anything spiritual! Jo - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:05 PM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Sure shocked me. I thought the same thing. So, anyone know when that > > changed? > > > > Lynda > > They are spiritual and are treated with great respect and very nicely. > However, nothing wrong against using them in agriculture and for dairy > products. (They seem to truly enjoy this interaction with nature and > humans.) This is sort of like considered like the sacred duty of cows. > Lord Krishna is also portrayed as liking milk and butter in all the > legends. Hence, India likes milk. It was always like that. > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Who enjoys the interaction? The cows? The people? I just keep picturing a whole slew of cows chained into a space and drowning. Even the worst of the corporate farms here they would have had a chance to break down a fence or two and get away from the rising waters. Lynda - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:05 AM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Sure shocked me. I thought the same thing. So, anyone know when that > > changed? > > > > Lynda > > They are spiritual and are treated with great respect and very nicely. > However, nothing wrong against using them in agriculture and for dairy > products. (They seem to truly enjoy this interaction with nature and > humans.) This is sort of like considered like the sacred duty of cows. > Lord Krishna is also portrayed as liking milk and butter in all the > legends. Hence, India likes milk. It was always like that. > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 well..except fer the thousands being rounded up as we speak in New Dehli by stick weilding *cowboys* on motorbikes on the flip side...i've heard of absolute riots breaking out after said " cowboys " mishandled a cow tho...dunno how sacred i would feel if someone chased me around with a stick well..guess depends on who is weilding the stick.... ahem... fraggle rvijay <rvijay07 Aug 13, 2005 9:05 AM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Sure shocked me. I thought the same thing. So, anyone know when that > changed? > > Lynda They are spiritual and are treated with great respect and very nicely. However, nothing wrong against using them in agriculture and for dairy products. (They seem to truly enjoy this interaction with nature and humans.) This is sort of like considered like the sacred duty of cows. Lord Krishna is also portrayed as liking milk and butter in all the legends. Hence, India likes milk. It was always like that. Vijay To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I thought though that you could take a little milk from a wild cow, as long > as you left enough for the calf. Surely if they are kept in farms the > calves have to be killed off or removed so the milk can be sold. I don't > see how this fits into anything spiritual! > > Jo > Yes, enough was left for the Calf. Unlike in factory farms, the Cows got a lot of Fresh air, time out with their family and friends, graze etc., etc., Also they were not killed. My late Grandfather had cows on his farm and all were very well taken care off. Several, even appreciated human company. As the cow ploughs the soil which provides the food, it is very spiritual. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > well..except fer the thousands being rounded up as we speak in New Dehli by stick weilding *cowboys* on motorbikes > > on the flip side...i've heard of absolute riots breaking out after said " cowboys " mishandled a cow > > tho...dunno how sacred i would feel if someone chased me around with a stick > well..guess depends on who is weilding the stick.... > ahem... > fraggle > The stick was meant to guide in olden days. Men hardly hit the cows. They obeyed commands with the stick, so it was a very positive and interactive experience. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 How is this spiritual - for either humans or cows? Jo > As the cow ploughs the soil which provides the food, it is very spiritual. > > Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Vijay! Do you know how confused this sounds? Jo > > The stick was meant to guide in olden days. Men hardly hit the cows. > They obeyed commands with the stick, so it was a very positive and > interactive experience. > > Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Vijay! Do you know how confused this sounds? > > Jo > > > > > The stick was meant to guide in olden days. Men hardly hit the cows. > > They obeyed commands with the stick, so it was a very positive and > > interactive experience. > > > > Vijay They gently touch the cow with the stick on the right side so that it turns in the desired direction. That is all. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Who enjoys the interaction? The cows? The people? > > I just keep picturing a whole slew of cows chained into a space and > drowning. Even the worst of the corporate farms here they would have had a > chance to break down a fence or two and get away from the rising waters. > > Lynda Factory farming and chaining cows is different. In rural India, specially in those days, tehre was a lot of greenery around, people took their cows/goats out and allowed them to graze in the open. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > How is this spiritual - for either humans or cows? > > Jo Very spiritual. Food is holy and the cow helps in the vital process of getting this food. Since, Cow does a very important job life sustaining, it is also Holy. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I meant the comment on positive and interactive experience. Jo - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:40 PM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > Vijay! Do you know how confused this sounds? > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > The stick was meant to guide in olden days. Men hardly hit the cows. > > > They obeyed commands with the stick, so it was a very positive and > > > interactive experience. > > > > > > Vijay > > > They gently touch the cow with the stick on the right side so that it > turns in the desired direction. That is all. > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I think people are assuming a lot on behalf of the cow here. I presume there is something in the Baghavad-Gita saying that cows are willing participants as my Hare Krishna friend seems to think the same as this. He reckons milk from the Krishna herds here is not cruel because the cows are treated well. He hadn't thought about what happened to the baby males. Jo - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:44 PM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > How is this spiritual - for either humans or cows? > > Jo Very spiritual. Food is holy and the cow helps in the vital process of getting this food. Since, Cow does a very important job life sustaining, it is also Holy. Vijay To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I'm sorry but cattle aren't that obliging. I've seen them herded here and there and they give em a good sound whack! And being the stubborn beasts that they are, it frequently takes more than one whack. Lynda - rvijay <rvijay07 Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:40 PM Re: Indian Obsession With Milk Causes Hideous Suffering > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > Vijay! Do you know how confused this sounds? > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > The stick was meant to guide in olden days. Men hardly hit the cows. > > > They obeyed commands with the stick, so it was a very positive and > > > interactive experience. > > > > > > Vijay > > > They gently touch the cow with the stick on the right side so that it > turns in the desired direction. That is all. > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > i doubt they can do that nowadays when they are chasin them around on motorcycles.... > Stray cows and factory problem are a true issue these days. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I meant the comment on positive and interactive experience. > > Jo > The positive/interactive experience is for both the cow as well as the human. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I think people are assuming a lot on behalf of the cow here. > > I presume there is something in the Baghavad-Gita saying that cows are > willing participants as my Hare Krishna friend seems to think the same as > this. He reckons milk from the Krishna herds here is not cruel because the > cows are treated well. He hadn't thought about what happened to the baby > males. > > Jo The baby cows (calf) also get enough milk. The mother produces a lot in excess. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > So what do they do with the bull calves? To get milk you have to breed the > beasties and you only have a finite amount of space. You can't just keep > doubling the population of cattle every year. > > Lynda They were used for ploughing the soil. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > I'm sorry but cattle aren't that obliging. I've seen them herded here and > there and they give em a good sound whack! And being the stubborn beasts > that they are, it frequently takes more than one whack. > > Lynda Horses are trained in a very friendly manner in several places. With cows it was similar. Besides religion was also a motivation for treating them very well. A picture is worth a thousand words. If you could see things for yourself you will understand, otherwise it will be hard to believe/understand. This is natural. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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