PETA

June 11, 2005

Probably, but it is not good to frighten people.

Jo

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peter hurd

Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:41 PM

Re: PETA

Wasnt that the Greenpeace action where they decided to install a free solar panel on his roof for him. Couldnt figure that one out. If it was them, Perhaps Craig could explain?

The Valley Vegan.......Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

There was another thing that annoyed me about them too. About 8 or 10 of them went on the roof of John Prescott's house to protest about something political. While this may seem okay at first thought - John Prescott was not at home - just his wife. Now if I was at home and just one unknown man was climbing on my roof I would be frightened. It must have been terrifying for her. I think that this protest was ill-thought out, and not fair on Mrs Prescott.

BBJo

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Peter

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:53 PM

Re: PETA

> Wasn't there also some problem with an oil rig, when they were campaigning for its disposal. I can't remember any details,

> except that the general concensus of opinion was that they were wrong.

That's the one - the oil rig was falling apart, and the oil company wanted to encase it in concrete and sink it to the bottom of the sea - Green Peace thought that was a bad idea, so tied themselves to it, fought it in courts, general protest - and eventually the oil company gave in and had it broken up, releasing a whole load of toxic material (including asbestos) into the air and sea, and I gather killing quite a lot of marine and bird life in the area. Which is exactly what I mean about not thinking about what they wanted to achieve - instead of having a positive protest, they just said that they didn't want something, gave no better alternative and ended up doing a lot of harm.

BB

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October 19, 2005

Hi everyone. I saw this message and just wanted to add my bit. Last Feb., I

too decided to check out PETA. Needless to say, I couldn't sleep well for a

week after what I saw. However, I decided to join them. I fully understand

how you felt when you looked at the pictures etc. But I have to tell you, it

has changed me for the better to become a PETA member and read about their

current investigations and ways that I can help. I added myself to their email

list. I made a rule for myself in order to stay involved with them. I'm like

you. I cannot watch any of the videos or look at the pictures. It makes me

want to go out and shoot the people that are responsible for the monstrous

cruelty they deliver. But, I can however, read their letters. The letters are

disheartening but I can stomach them as long as I don't watch any videos. I

have found ways to be of help. Every voice can help these animals and it's up

to all of us to be those voices. PETA commonly asks the recipients of their

mail to volunteer to send letters to certain reps they want to get a message to.

They often have the letter already written and you just have to add your name to

the list and click on the send button and it's as easy as that. Other times,

they will provide both mailing as well as email addresses and phone numbers for

the people and ask you to write a polite letter or call if you wish. I don't

always have time to do this but it really makes me feel like I'm helping at

least a little by trying. Who knows what the people do with these letters on

the other end? But wouldn't it be great if we could reach just one heart to help

make a difference? I have no idea how those under cover investigators do their

jobs without blowing their cover but I do know that without them, we might just

assume these terrible things are not happening, or maybe know they're happening

but it makes it easier to ignore it. I'm not passing judgement on anyone that

cannot stomach the work of PETA, just merely asking everyone to give them a

chance. There are so many ways to help. Thanks for taking the time to read

this.

Sincerely,

Carrie Kahl

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Renee Carroll<renecarol25

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:23 AM

Re: PETA !!! How can you do it?????

I completely agree. I don't understand how anyone

could take one of those undercover jobs like that.

There is no way that I could. My friend Mike just did

a post on his blog

http://mikewieringo.com/html/Blog.htm<http://mikewieringo.com/html/Blog.htm>

about the

horrendous conditions of fur farming - and the evil

people who support it.

Renee

--- ~ Roberta Underhill ~

<rradunderhill<rradunderhill> wrote:

> I went to the PETA site today from a link on

> someones sig line. I thought, " Hey, I love animals

> I'll check it out " Boy was that a mistake. First let

> me tell you something about me, I'm an animal lover.

> Not just the run of the mill " Awww......Cute Puppy "

> animal lover, but a BIG TIME animal lover. Hate Fur

> coats, leather stuff, the horrendous conditions that

> animals are kept in until their horrible death just

> so the Meat industry can make the big bucks. I use

> all Natural cleaning products and make up and will

> not use anything that is animal tested. I REALLY

> REALLY LOVE Animals. I have more compassion for

> animals then I do people to be honest. And I'd

> rather spend time with an animal any day then most

> people I know. We live in the country on an acre and

> I have about 45 chickens, 2 turkey's and 2 Guineas

> that live outside. They are not in a cage and they

> roam our property freely. I spend time with them and

> just don't throw them food and water. They each have

> a name and I hold them and pet them all. Well, not

> the turkeys or the guineas because they run from me,

> LOL. We do not eat our chickens and I sell their

> eggs to an organic food co-op, which doesnt even

> cover the cost of their food. But I don't care about

> that.

>

> INSIDE we have a Bunny Rabbit, a Hamster, 2

> Goldfish, a parrot (small parrot a conure), 2 dogs

> (a Yorkie Pup and our 6 year old Yellow Lab) and 2

> cats ( a year old Tort. Shell and a long haired

> Orange Tabby that is 7 years old and is the Queen).

> I tried to put the Bunny outside because I thought

> she would like it better but it was way to hot for

> her outside here in Florida. My husband has told me

> if I bring home one more animal he will pack his

> bags.

>

> So, as I was saying, I went to the PETA website

> today. I would love to do anything I could to help

> any animal that needs it. But I just could not even

> get past the first page. I literally started to cry

> while reading an article on the cats & dogs in China

> that are used for their fur and how they are

> treated. The pictures broke my heart. I imagined

> that one of those dogs or cats was my dog or cat and

> I had to stop looking. I guess I'm just not strong

> enough for that kind of thing. My husband has always

> joked about bailing me out of jail one day for

> taking part in a PETA protest. It's a big joke but

> after seeing what I saw today I don't think I could

> ever be THAT involved in PETA. It's literally

> repulsive to me and I just cannot handle it. It's

> way to sad. I know that it's bad of me because it's

> sadder for the animals then I will ever feel just

> seeing pictures. But seriously, can enough ever be

> done that it will stop this kind of thing? I just

> can't stand the thought of being involved in

> something like PETA and never seeing any progress.

> Does PETA actually get anywhere? Do they make a

> difference? Arent these big companies to big to be

> effected by things like PETA? I wish that I could

> save every animal in the world. Bless their hearts.

> But it's almost way to much for me to bare. I dont

> want to turn the other cheek because it's not fair

> to the animals, but how do you help when you

> literally break down at the thought of what some of

> these poor animals go through? I'm ashamed to say it

> to be honest. I wish I was stronger so I could do

> something to help them but I just don't know what I

> could do. I'd seriously walk around everyday crying

> like a baby if I knew everything that was happening

> to these poor animals. Are others this way and you

> just get past it over time? I want to help but

> really dont see how I can when I cant even look at

> the pictures without wanting to throw up.

>

> Roberta Underhill

>

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I get the email from Peta. And we are getting Grrrr!

now. I'm not currently donating to Peta on a regular

basis - but am donating to other causes like

sponsoring an animal from Farm Sanctuary. I just

wanted to point out I'm not Anti-Peta - I think its

great what they do. But I don't think I could go

undercover like that and videotape and stuff. Or work

in one of those industries - day after day. How do

you do that and 'blend' in? I couldn't. I know it

takes a special kind of person to - so that WE can

know what goes on.

Renee

--- Carrie Kahl <carriekahl wrote:

> Hi everyone. I saw this message and just wanted to

> add my bit. Last Feb., I too decided to check out

> PETA. Needless to say, I couldn't sleep well for a

> week after what I saw. However, I decided to join

> them. I fully understand how you felt when you

> looked at the pictures etc. But I have to tell you,

> it has changed me for the better to become a PETA

> member and read about their current investigations

> and ways that I can help. I added myself to their

> email list. I made a rule for myself in order to

> stay involved with them. I'm like you. I cannot

> watch any of the videos or look at the pictures. It

> makes me want to go out and shoot the people that

> are responsible for the monstrous cruelty they

> deliver. But, I can however, read their letters.

> The letters are disheartening but I can stomach them

> as long as I don't watch any videos. I have found

> ways to be of help. Every voice can help these

> animals and it's up to all of us to be those voices.

> PETA commonly asks the recipients of their mail to

> volunteer to send letters to certain reps they want

> to get a message to. They often have the letter

> already written and you just have to add your name

> to the list and click on the send button and it's as

> easy as that. Other times, they will provide both

> mailing as well as email addresses and phone numbers

> for the people and ask you to write a polite letter

> or call if you wish. I don't always have time to do

> this but it really makes me feel like I'm helping at

> least a little by trying. Who knows what the people

> do with these letters on the other end? But wouldn't

> it be great if we could reach just one heart to help

> make a difference? I have no idea how those under

> cover investigators do their jobs without blowing

> their cover but I do know that without them, we

> might just assume these terrible things are not

> happening, or maybe know they're happening but it

> makes it easier to ignore it. I'm not passing

> judgement on anyone that cannot stomach the work of

> PETA, just merely asking everyone to give them a

> chance. There are so many ways to help. Thanks for

> taking the time to read this.

> Sincerely,

> Carrie Kahl

>

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October 21, 2005

Very well said. I too have a huge amount of respect and admiration for PETA

and yet have distanced myself from it, mostly because I find the issues it

confronts so tenaciously just too wrenching. I joined PETA about ten years

ago and even attended one of its Animal Rights 101 seminars. I enjoyed

being with like-minded people and marveled at how smart and media-savvy the

organization is. I watched the videos, read the books, bought the products,

and even participated in some of the campaigns. I gave them a lot of money.

But I just can't face their message and the suffering of the animals. I am

so grateful for the work PETA does, and am amazed at their commitment. The

world needs PETA. I still consider them a great resource.

About the same time I found PETA I met some people from Best Friends Animal

Sanctuary in Kanab, Utah. What a wonderful place. I was able to visit the

sanctuary and it was a life-changing experience. Best Friends' goals are

the same as PETA's, but they are quieter and less militant. They try to

concentrate on the good things that are happening in animal protection and

rights. If you would like to visit online, find them at

www.bestfriends.org

If you are looking for an amazing family vacation, spend some time at Best

Friends in beautiful Angel Canyon. You could not find a more inspiring

place to take your children.

Terry

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" Carrie Kahl " <carriekahl

Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:12 PM

Re: PETA

> Hi everyone. I saw this message and just wanted to add my bit. Last

> Feb., I too decided to check out PETA. Needless to say, I couldn't sleep

> well for a week after what I saw. However, I decided to join them. I

> fully understand how you felt when you looked at the pictures etc. But I

> have to tell you, it has changed me for the better to become a PETA member

> and read about their current investigations and ways that I can help. I

> added myself to their email list. I made a rule for myself in order to

> stay involved with them. I'm like you. I cannot watch any of the videos

> or look at the pictures. It makes me want to go out and shoot the people

> that are responsible for the monstrous cruelty they deliver. But, I can

> however, read their letters. The letters are disheartening but I can

> stomach them as long as I don't watch any videos. I have found ways to be

> of help. Every voice can help these animals and it's up to all of us to

> be those voices. PETA commonly asks the recipients of their mail to

> volunteer to send letters to certain reps they want to get a message to.

> They often have the letter already written and you just have to add your

> name to the list and click on the send button and it's as easy as that.

> Other times, they will provide both mailing as well as email addresses and

> phone numbers for the people and ask you to write a polite letter or call

> if you wish. I don't always have time to do this but it really makes me

> feel like I'm helping at least a little by trying. Who knows what the

> people do with these letters on the other end? But wouldn't it be great if

> we could reach just one heart to help make a difference? I have no idea

> how those under cover investigators do their jobs without blowing their

> cover but I do know that without them, we might just assume these terrible

> things are not happening, or maybe know they're happening but it makes it

> easier to ignore it. I'm not passing judgement on anyone that cannot

> stomach the work of PETA, just merely asking everyone to give them a

> chance. There are so many ways to help. Thanks for taking the time to

> read this.

> Sincerely,

> Carrie Kahl

October 27, 2005

In the early 1990s, when the Peninsula Humane Society in San Mateo,

California, installed billboards on 101 -- a heavily traveled local

freeway -- that showed in graphic detail the discarded bodies of euthanized

animals piled in trash cans, the spay/neuter rates in the San Francisco Bay

Area went up and the issue was in the news for months.

Just a thought to throw out there in defense of PETA and its methods.

Terry

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" Maria Rasmussen " <Fab5

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:46 AM

Re: Re: In responce to the comments about PETA

> This is good news. PETA has offended a lot of people in the past with

> their ads. In fact, when my mom learned that I had made the decision to

> remain vegetarian, her first response was, " You're doing this for your

> health, right? You're not one of those PETA people, are you? " As far as

> she was concerned, they had a bad reputation. I hope the ad you saw is

> representative of things to come.

>

> Maria

>

> --

> TheNutritionNut <thenutritionnut

>

> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:12:09 -0700 (PDT)

>

>>A long time ago I stopped giving PETA money because I don't like they way

>>they offend peopld in their advertising. Last week I was actually taken by

>>surprise and delighted when I saw a new ad by them that was in good taste.

>>It was in the Houston Woman magazine, the back page. It's a full page,

>>full color ad about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian. It was a very

>>lively and upbeat kind of ad that will make people want to learn more. It

>>gave the vegcooking.com address for people to go to learn more about

>>healthy vegetarian lifestyles and get cooking recipes. I hope they do more

>>ads like that, I think that will inspire people to include more meatless

>>meals (rather than putting them on defense and offending them, which will

>>not help matters.). So I say Bravo to PETA on their latest ad! It was well

>>done, lively, fun and informative.

October 28, 2005

Many people are desensitized to cruelty, sometimes it takes a shock like those

graphic billboards for people to stand up and listen. I suppose when PETA does

something like that it is not aimed at people who are already involved with

animal issues, but rather people who have not even paid attention or thought

about the treatment of animals and their proper care. I do not like seeing

things like that myself, but they do have a purpose. It took killing a mother

dear with a baby close to get my aunt to stop shooting deers. As sad as it is

often the message has to be strong, even traumatizing to get the job done.

~Shell

Terry Somerson <terry wrote:In the early 1990s, when the Peninsula

Humane Society in San Mateo,