PETA

June 7, 2005

This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms because

one dares to question something, delete here.

O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidlet

is working her way from vegetarian to vegan.

She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit into

her about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at the

local " no-kill " shelter and told her she was sending her money to people who

run a " kill " shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals she

should send her money to folks that don't kill animals.

Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Virginia

or where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)

all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter with

excuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need of

humane euthenizing.

HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.

Lynda

June 7, 2005

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Virginiaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

its not about PETA, but this gives you the general lay of the land

http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/anti_organic_consumer_group.cfm-----Original Message----- fraggle Jun 7, 2005 10:41 AM Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Virginiaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

more

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

there's a couple links i know about PETA..alas, i have them saved at home fraggle Jun 7, 2005 10:45 AM Re: PETA

its not about PETA, but this gives you the general lay of the land

http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/anti_organic_consumer_group.cfm-----Original Message----- fraggle Jun 7, 2005 10:41 AM Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Virginiaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

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fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

who? the guy who runs the Center for Consumer Freedom has nuthin to do with PETA

his organization is a PR attack group that is in the forefront of the drive against any environmental movements, open space grass roots groups, anti-pesticde groups, etc Jo Cwazy Jun 7, 2005 12:00 PM Re: PETA

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

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fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

He is anti-PETA. He would appear to be the source of the young lady's information.

However, I am still trying to find out IF they run a "kill" shelter or not. If it is, then she won't send them anymore money and will donate her money locally. She "thought" they ran a "no-kill" shelter and wanted to support that.

Lynda

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Jo Cwazy

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:00 PM

Re: PETA

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

-

fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

Ah - got it - thanks for explaining.

Jo

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fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:45 PM

Re: PETA

who? the guy who runs the Center for Consumer Freedom has nuthin to do with PETA

his organization is a PR attack group that is in the forefront of the drive against any environmental movements, open space grass roots groups, anti-pesticde groups, etc Jo Cwazy Jun 7, 2005 12:00 PM Re: PETA

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

-

fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

i can't seem to locate the link to the original story and rebuttal

funny...the date on the news story has dates in 2000, 2001, and 2002..same story..different dates...

anyways...

here's one thing from someone at PETA

take wot you will from it

Thank you for your inquiry about the Associated Press article on euthanasia and overpopulation. The article's figures are accurate, but, unfortunately, it does not even begin to address the complex issue of animal overpopulation or PETA's role in combatting it, particularly the fact that we have saved thousands of unwanted animals from being born and subsequently finding themselves at the mercy of an uncaring world. PETA fights companion animal abuse and overpopulation aggressively and in a variety of ways. Through our undercover investigations and grassroots campaigns, we work to seek justice through the courts and educate the public about overpopulation and how to fight it. If you saw the recent Dateline piece on national television you will have seen how we are trying to wake the public up to the role puppy mills and pet shops play in flooding communities with casually acquired, and then often carelessly discarded dogs and cats. (For more information on our puppy mill campaign, please go to: http://www.helppuppies.com/index2.html).

Our Community Animal Project (CAP) rescues homeless animals directly -- crawling through sewers, poking through junkyards, climbing trees, dodging cars, and arguing with landlords to coax terrified abandoned or neglected animals to safety. We go into the very worst of neighborhoods to deliver food, doghouses, and bedding to pit bulls who have never known a kind word or touch; dogs who--thinking we are bent on doing them harm as all the other humans in their lives have--come at us with snapping jaws to defend the tiny patch of muddy earth they call home. We find starved corpses, dying animals, what is left of cats who have been used as bait for fighting dogs. In winter we see the dogs shiver and try to curl into the tiniest balls to keep warm; in summer we see them with their tongues dragging, water bowls overturned, panting to try not to succumb to the heat. In floods and storms, we are out there at all hours of the night saving lives. We push to have owners of severely abused animals prosecuted and the animals removed, but if we can do nothing else, we try hard to at least make the animals as comfortable as we can and sterilize them so more puppies won't freeze out there in winter orburn alive in summer.

PETA takes in the animals nobody wants--the feral cat colonies descended from abandoned, unaltered house cats who are now thin and wild and often infected with deadly, ravaging diseases like Feline AIDS and leukemia. The stray dogs so disfigured by mange they are almost no longer recognizable as canines. The litters of parvo-infected puppies, wracked with diarrhea and vomiting--literally dehydrating to death. The backyard dogs who have known only chains, beatings, and neglect, and who have gone mad because of it. Some of the animals PETA takes in are eventually reunited with their families. We have caught and reunited some of the most elusive animals who other agencies have given up on. Some animals are fostered until homes can be found for them (PETA does not operate a shelter; we use veterinary boarding kennels and foster homes, including our own staffers' houses, and space is extremely limited). Other healthy and adoptable animals are taken directly to local shelters. Tragically, the only relief for the rest lies in oblivion.

Area shelters are overrun with animals, thousands of whom are euthanized for lack of good homes, despite the fact that most are young, healthy, and friendly. The "middle-aged" shepherd mix who literally climbs the walls trying to escape the presence of humans doesn't stand a chance--he will simply mark time cowering in his cage until his date with the needle. PETA opts to euthanize extremely sick or feral animals immediately, rather than subject them to the trauma of further transport and caging that will only, ultimately, end in death. We give them love and attention, food and soothing voices, and yes, a gentle death in our arms.

There is hope for abused animals, and it lies in prevention. We must persuade people to spay and neuter animals to stop the cycle of abuse. We must convince governments, like our own here in Norfolk--where we have already changed the ordinance once and are working to change it again--to accept responsibility instead of turning a blind eye to a problem that results in almost unimaginable animal suffering--not to mention taxpayer expense. PETA works very hard on this, educating the public about the need to spay and neuter through pamphlets, billboards, letters to the editor, ads, articles, and humane education in schools. We spay and neuter animals belonging to low-income families and the elderly poor for no charge whatsoever--we pay for every shot, surgery, blood and feces sample, and medication. Since January, 1999, PETA has sponsored more than 700 spay/neuter surgeries in the Tidewater area. But PETA and animal shelters can't do it alone. Everyone needs to do their part. Every one of us who cares about animals must work to help the animals in our communities. If a stray shows up on our doorstep, we mustn't tell ourselves that she has a home, or that "someone else" will take care of her. We must be that "someone else." Caring individuals must take homeless animals to shelters or, if they have the time, money, and space, spay them, vaccinate them, and foster them until loving, permanent homes can be found.

Each and every one of us can make a difference. If your neighbor's dog "keeps having puppies," offer to have her spayed. Write to your town councilperson and urge him or her to raise licensing fees for unaltered animals. Alert authorities if you witness an animal being abused or neglected. Boycott pet shops that sell puppies and kittens and adopt strays or shelter animals instead.

PETA can provide information, advice, educational materials, and assistance. For more information on our companion animal programs and literature, please go to: http://www.peta-online.org/cmp/ca.html. I hope this information is helpful and I hope you will continue to support PETA's vital campaigns. Thank you again for your inquiry and for all you do to help animals.

Sincerely,Alisa MullinsCorrespondent Lynda Jun 7, 2005 1:49 PM Re: PETA

He is anti-PETA. He would appear to be the source of the young lady's information.

However, I am still trying to find out IF they run a "kill" shelter or not. If it is, then she won't send them anymore money and will donate her money locally. She "thought" they ran a "no-kill" shelter and wanted to support that.

Lynda

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Jo Cwazy

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:00 PM

Re: PETA

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

-

fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 7, 2005

Hi Lynda

> However, I am still trying to find out IF they run a "kill" shelter or not. If it is, then she won't send them anymore

> money and will donate her money locally. She "thought" they ran a "no-kill" shelter and wanted to support

> that.

It would be interesting to find out the whole truth behind this. Having had dealings with a number of people in PETA, I suspect that it is untrue - it seems so completely alien to everything that they stand for. However, it is possible that they put down animals who are suffering and have no hope of recovery, as many of us have had to do in the past with pets - purely because it is the best thing for the animal.

BB

Peter

June 7, 2005

Thanks. She read and has decided to donate her money and time to the local no-kill shelter. She says she is going to "ruminate" on all the information.

Oh, and she said to tell folks about River Phoenix that his parents had a vegan restaurant and they brought him vegan meals on the sets that he worked on when he was first starting out.

She's a wealth of information <g>

Lynda

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fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:16 PM

Re: PETA

i can't seem to locate the link to the original story and rebuttal

funny...the date on the news story has dates in 2000, 2001, and 2002..same story..different dates...

anyways...

here's one thing from someone at PETA

take wot you will from it

Thank you for your inquiry about the Associated Press article on euthanasia and overpopulation. The article's figures are accurate, but, unfortunately, it does not even begin to address the complex issue of animal overpopulation or PETA's role in combatting it, particularly the fact that we have saved thousands of unwanted animals from being born and subsequently finding themselves at the mercy of an uncaring world. PETA fights companion animal abuse and overpopulation aggressively and in a variety of ways. Through our undercover investigations and grassroots campaigns, we work to seek justice through the courts and educate the public about overpopulation and how to fight it. If you saw the recent Dateline piece on national television you will have seen how we are trying to wake the public up to the role puppy mills and pet shops play in flooding communities with casually acquired, and then often carelessly discarded dogs and cat s. (For more information on our puppy mill campaign, please go to: http://www.helppuppies.com/index2.html).

Our Community Animal Project (CAP) rescues homeless animals directly -- crawling through sewers, poking through junkyards, climbing trees, dodging cars, and arguing with landlords to coax terrified abandoned or neglected animals to safety. We go into the very worst of neighborhoods to deliver food, doghouses, and bedding to pit bulls who have never known a kind word or touch; dogs who--thinking we are bent on doing them harm as all the other humans in their lives have--come at us with snapping jaws to defend the tiny patch of muddy earth they call home. We find starved corpses, dying animals, what is left of cats who have been used as bait for fighting dogs. In winter we see the dogs shiver and try to curl into the tiniest balls to keep warm; in summer we see them with their tongues dragging, water bowls overturned, panting to try not to succumb to the heat. In floods and storms, we are out there at all hours of the night saving lives. We push to have owners of severely abused animals prosecuted and the animals removed, but if we can do nothing else, we try hard to at least make the animals as comfortable as we can and sterilize them so more puppies won't freeze out there in winter orburn alive in summer.

PETA takes in the animals nobody wants--the feral cat colonies descended from abandoned, unaltered house cats who are now thin and wild and often infected with deadly, ravaging diseases like Feline AIDS and leukemia. The stray dogs so disfigured by mange they are almost no longer recognizable as canines. The litters of parvo-infected puppies, wracked with diarrhea and vomiting--literally dehydrating to death. The backyard dogs who have known only chains, beatings, and neglect, and who have gone mad because of it. Some of the animals PETA takes in are eventually reunited with their families. We have caught and reunited some of the most elusive animals who other agencies have given up on. Some animals are fostered until homes can be found for them (PETA does not operate a shelter; we use veterinary boarding kennels and foster homes, including our own staffers' houses, and space is extremely limited). Other healthy and adoptable ani mals are taken directly to local shelters. Tragically, the only relief for the rest lies in oblivion.

Area shelters are overrun with animals, thousands of whom are euthanized for lack of good homes, despite the fact that most are young, healthy, and friendly. The "middle-aged" shepherd mix who literally climbs the walls trying to escape the presence of humans doesn't stand a chance--he will simply mark time cowering in his cage until his date with the needle. PETA opts to euthanize extremely sick or feral animals immediately, rather than subject them to the trauma of further transport and caging that will only, ultimately, end in death. We give them love and attention, food and soothing voices, and yes, a gentle death in our arms.

There is hope for abused animals, and it lies in prevention. We must persuade people to spay and neuter animals to stop the cycle of abuse. We must convince governments, like our own here in Norfolk--where we have already changed the ordinance once and are working to change it again--to accept responsibility instead of turning a blind eye to a problem that results in almost unimaginable animal suffering--not to mention taxpayer expense. PETA works very hard on this, educating the public about the need to spay and neuter through pamphlets, billboards, letters to the editor, ads, articles, and humane education in schools. We spay and neuter animals belonging to low-income families and the elderly poor for no charge whatsoever--we pay for every shot, surgery, blood and feces sample, and medication. Since January, 1999, PETA has sponsored more than 700 spay/neuter surgeries in the Tidewater area. But PETA and animal shelters can't do it alone. Everyone needs to do their part. Every one of us who cares about animals must work to help the animals in our communities. If a stray shows up on our doorstep, we mustn't tell ourselves that she has a home, or that "someone else" will take care of her. We must be that "someone else." Caring individuals must take homeless animals to shelters or, if they have the time, money, and space, spay them, vaccinate them, and foster them until loving, permanent homes can be found.

Each and every one of us can make a difference. If your neighbor's dog "keeps having puppies," offer to have her spayed. Write to your town councilperson and urge him or her to raise licensing fees for unaltered animals. Alert authorities if you witness an animal being abused or neglected. Boycott pet shops that sell puppies and kittens and adopt strays or shelter animals instead.

PETA can provide information, advice, educational materials, and assistance. For more information on our companion animal programs and literature, please go to: http://www.peta-online.org/cmp/ca.html. I hope this information is helpful and I hope you will continue to support PETA's vital campaigns. Thank you again for your inquiry and for all you do to help animals.

Sincerely,Alisa MullinsCorrespondent Lynda Jun 7, 2005 1:49 PM Re: PETA

He is anti-PETA. He would appear to be the source of the young lady's information.

However, I am still trying to find out IF they run a "kill" shelter or not. If it is, then she won't send them anymore money and will donate her money locally. She "thought" they ran a "no-kill" shelter and wanted to support that.

Lynda

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Jo Cwazy

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:00 PM

Re: PETA

Is he part of PETA or have I read Lynda's message wrongly?

Jo

-

fraggle

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:41 PM

Re: PETA

please be aware that this thing is all over the net, and has billboards in like times square

the guy behind it runs a PR company called Center for Consumer Freedom which is a front fer the beef council, the tobacco lobby and half a dozen other companies..he runs a couple PR firms, which represent everything from soda companies to the entertainment industry

i don't have the link to this guy at work tho Lynda Jun 7, 2005 9:49 AM PETA This question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Vir giniaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.LyndaTo send an email to -

June 8, 2005

Lynda,

I think you will find the condition of the animals they are talking about is pretty severe like almost dead anyway

and beyond medical treatment.

it is really unfair I would question this no kill shelter and ask them if a dog came to them with open wounds missing a leg

and barely breathing would you let it die natural over the next several days or would you administer a lethal humane injection

I say this because the last dog I adopted about 5 months ago is riddled with cancer,

we have had a tumour remove and now the Lymph system is inflamed we are not ready to give up just yet BUT...

when he reaches a point of severe pain and has trouble eating

I will have to make a decision. if you ask me Humans should be able to do this to themselves too...

I think PETA is the best thing going right now as far as animal rights and the vegan movement

they are to Veganism & animal rights what Greenpeace has been to the environment

PETAThis question comes with a warning. Those you get all up in arms becauseone dares to question something, delete here.O.K., as you know, I think, I joined this list because the youngest kidletis working her way from vegetarian to vegan.She came to me all in tears last night because one of her friends lit intoher about being a vegan and sending money to PETA. The friend works at thelocal "no-kill" shelter and told her she was sending her money to people whorun a "kill" shelter and that if she really wanted to save animals sheshould send her money to folks that don't kill animals.Anyone know anything about that shelter they operate in Vermont or Virginiaor where ever the heck it is? Is it true that they euthenize almost (87%)all the animals brought to them? The only thing I can find is a letter withexcuses about most of the animals being brought to them being in need ofhumane euthenizing.HELP! I've got a really upset kidlet here.Lynda

June 8, 2005

Well, be that as it may, we are talking a child who just turned 13 and what she does with her allowance and money she makes selling books on the net. She does animal rescues and, I guess part of the problem is that we do rescues. We, as she puts it, bring them back from the dead. She is still at the idealistic age and things are frequently either black or white. She wants PETA to do what we do and she doesn't like the numbers.

Although they say they don't have a shelter, there is a lot of evidence that they do and she has been burning up the computer. She also called them and got the run around. that was the final straw for her.

So, she is going to continue doing animal rescue and is going to do volunteer work at the local shelter and spend her money buying them things they need.

We're unschoolers and have raised independent thinkers <g> What can I say.

Lynda

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Craig Dearth

Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:13 PM

RE: PETA