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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Though I can eat just about anything, I am a vegetarian by choice. My wife Kim,

on the other hand, has had food sensitivities for years and has been gluten-free

for the last ten. (She can't eat wheat, dairy, potatoes, peppers, and a host of

other foods w/o suffering.) I'm hoping we can find some suggestions for good

tasting food we can make at home. I'll try to share some ideas that my wife has

come up with.

 

It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with family members

who should know better and be more supportive. I've learned what she can and

can't eat, but other family members keep encouraging her to " try this " . Do any

of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing their food suggestions on

you?

 

 

James Nystrom

Gluten-free e-cookbook available via http://www.glutenfreeyum.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

James, when people are around me and my husband and someone suggests that X

food has y allergen in it, but only a little bit (implying I should be able

to eat it), or suggests that I just have a bite of something that will make

me sick, my husband says, " For Sally, that's like saying that the food only

has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. It doesn't matter whether it's a little or

a lot. It just matters whether she eats any at all. " Him saying it comes out

nicer than me saying it and takes a bit of the burden off me, which is a

relief when I've been stressed out about a social occasion. But when people

ask me to try something in general, I just firmly say, " No thanks, I'm

allergic. "

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM, James Nystrom <jamesnystromwrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> Though I can eat just about anything, I am a vegetarian by choice. My wife

> Kim, on the other hand, has had food sensitivities for years and has been

> gluten-free for the last ten. (She can't eat wheat, dairy, potatoes,

> peppers, and a host of other foods w/o suffering.) I'm hoping we can find

> some suggestions for good tasting food we can make at home. I'll try to

> share some ideas that my wife has come up with.

>

> It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with family

> members who should know better and be more supportive. I've learned what she

> can and can't eat, but other family members keep encouraging her to " try

> this " . Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing their food

> suggestions on you?

>

> James Nystrom

> Gluten-free e-cookbook available via http://www.glutenfreeyum.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:42 PM, James Nystrom wrote:

 

> It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with

> family members who should know better and be more supportive. I've

> learned what she can and can't eat, but other family members keep

> encouraging her to " try this " . Do any of you have issues with well-

> meaning people pushing their food suggestions on you

======

james, this is one of my hot buttons.

 

My children and I are celiacs who are allergic to dairy. The kids are

vegetarian (they eat eggs) and I am vegan. my daughter and I are also

allergic to soy. We eat an unprocessed, salt free diet that is free

of sugars (other than fruit) and of artificial colorants and

preservatives.

 

My mother-in-law is a 63 year type one diabetic who has celiac

disease. She decided not to follow the gluten free diet because it

was only diagnosed when she was 70 and it " obviously " has not done any

damage. Do not get me started on that one.

 

FIL is a retired cardiologist so he insists on a diet that is fat

free. Their entire diet is composed of fake foods - luminous egg

beaters, diet jello, splenda everything.

 

My MIL just refuses to acknowledge that the children can't just have a

" little bit of gluten " , after all, she has a little bit of sugar and

then just increases her insulin.

 

She is convinced I am a vegan and am bringing up vegetarian children

just to annoy her and make her life difficult. She's forever trying to

get them to eat some meat.

 

We saw her a few weeks ago and she made Tinkyada pasta with Enrico's

pasta sauce (I knew that was safe so I told her to buy it instead of

making it), a fruit platter and a huge salad. The kids took one

mouthful of the strawberries and spat them out. I tasted them and

realized that she'd put aspartame on them. She told me that the

strawberries tasted terrible without them.

 

Then she started on the kids' refusal to drink her Crystal Light. They

kept on telling her that they just wanted water and she kept on

telling them how yummy CL was. Finally my daughter told her that they

prefer not to drink neurotoxins or to consume artifical colorants.

MIL is now angry that I've taught the kids that artificial sweeteners

are neurotoxins and that animal products are bad for your health.

 

it's totally irritating

 

Sherene

[Guest guest]

I have had my family say " well, can't you treat yourself " it really

used to tick me off... treating myself? RIGHT... it isn't a treat at

all... or they'll say, " I'll treat you to chinese " which used to be

my favorite resturant.... The say I liken it is to a bee sting... if

you are alergic to bee''s, what do you think would happen if I got

just a little sting? it is the same with " the food item "

 

I've aslo had my sweet elderly neighbor make special cookies for me..

she said... " I used white flour and egg beater " so you could eat

it.... she knows I can't eat wheat or eggs.... that one is strictly a

gesture of love..... I can't eat them, but tell her how much i

appriecate them and pretend to eat one.....

Sonya

SE Michingan

 

 

, Sally Parrott Ashbrook

<sally.parrott wrote:

>

> James, when people are around me and my husband and someone

suggests that X

> food has y allergen in it, but only a little bit (implying I should

be able

> to eat it), or suggests that I just have a bite of something that

will make

> me sick, my husband says, " For Sally, that's like saying that the

food only

> has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. It doesn't matter whether it's a

little or

> a lot. It just matters whether she eats any at all. " Him saying it

comes out

> nicer than me saying it and takes a bit of the burden off me, which

is a

> relief when I've been stressed out about a social occasion. But

when people

> ask me to try something in general, I just firmly say, " No thanks,

I'm

> allergic. "

>

> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM, James Nystrom

<jamesnystromwrote:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > Though I can eat just about anything, I am a vegetarian by

choice. My wife

> > Kim, on the other hand, has had food sensitivities for years and

has been

> > gluten-free for the last ten. (She can't eat wheat, dairy,

potatoes,

> > peppers, and a host of other foods w/o suffering.) I'm hoping we

can find

> > some suggestions for good tasting food we can make at home. I'll

try to

> > share some ideas that my wife has come up with.

> >

> > It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with

family

> > members who should know better and be more supportive. I've

learned what she

> > can and can't eat, but other family members keep encouraging her

to " try

> > this " . Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing

their food

> > suggestions on you?

> >

> > James Nystrom

> > Gluten-free e-cookbook available via http://www.glutenfreeyum.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sherene,

I SO feel your pain... my kids are now 16 and 13 and we heard it from

day one..... the kids are big enough to tell the ignorant adults how

they feel... we stress to them that getting angry will not get them

anywhere and share as much positive as they can with other's.... Our

kids goto public school and you would be amazed at the examples they

have set for other children... the school now offeres a vegetarian

menu... it isn't the best, but they are starting.... I also always

pack more food then the kids will eat and encourage them to share....

even if it is fresh fruit or the homemade goodies that we dehydrate

for snacks... the kids love hummas and tofu salad (like egg salad) My

daughter was saying that when someone saw that she was eating the

tofu salad and said " hey, I didn't think eggs was Vegetarian or what

ever you are " she said " I am a human being and I choose not to eat

animal and it is called vegan " ... and then told them that it wasn't

eggs that it was stuff that taste just like it..... so a few kids

tried it and asked for me to make some more... Family and friends

are really no different, just bigger body's that think they know it

all.... Anymore, I just ask them to try it and if they don't, that is

OK, more for us....

Keep your chin up,

Sonya

SE Michigan

 

, Sherene Silverberg

<sherene wrote:

>

>

> On Mar 2, 2009, at 3:42 PM, James Nystrom wrote:

>

> > It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with

> > family members who should know better and be more supportive.

I've

> > learned what she can and can't eat, but other family members

keep

> > encouraging her to " try this " . Do any of you have issues with

well-

> > meaning people pushing their food suggestions on you

> ======

> james, this is one of my hot buttons.

>

> My children and I are celiacs who are allergic to dairy. The kids

are

> vegetarian (they eat eggs) and I am vegan. my daughter and I are

also

> allergic to soy. We eat an unprocessed, salt free diet that is

free

> of sugars (other than fruit) and of artificial colorants and

> preservatives.

>

> My mother-in-law is a 63 year type one diabetic who has celiac

> disease. She decided not to follow the gluten free diet because

it

> was only diagnosed when she was 70 and it " obviously " has not done

any

> damage. Do not get me started on that one.

>

> FIL is a retired cardiologist so he insists on a diet that is fat

> free. Their entire diet is composed of fake foods - luminous egg

> beaters, diet jello, splenda everything.

>

> My MIL just refuses to acknowledge that the children can't just

have a

> " little bit of gluten " , after all, she has a little bit of sugar

and

> then just increases her insulin.

>

> She is convinced I am a vegan and am bringing up vegetarian

children

> just to annoy her and make her life difficult. She's forever trying

to

> get them to eat some meat.

>

> We saw her a few weeks ago and she made Tinkyada pasta with

Enrico's

> pasta sauce (I knew that was safe so I told her to buy it instead

of

> making it), a fruit platter and a huge salad. The kids took one

> mouthful of the strawberries and spat them out. I tasted them and

> realized that she'd put aspartame on them. She told me that the

> strawberries tasted terrible without them.

>

> Then she started on the kids' refusal to drink her Crystal Light.

They

> kept on telling her that they just wanted water and she kept on

> telling them how yummy CL was. Finally my daughter told her that

they

> prefer not to drink neurotoxins or to consume artifical

colorants.

> MIL is now angry that I've taught the kids that artificial

sweeteners

> are neurotoxins and that animal products are bad for your health.

>

> it's totally irritating

>

> Sherene

>

[Guest guest]

The, " Oh, if you can't eat wheat flour, at least you can still have white

flour " comment that I'm sure we all get from time to time absolutely blows

me away. The disconnect between people and food where they don't realize

white flour is made from wheat is . . . really just astounding.

 

Sally

 

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Sonya <talking2sonya wrote:

 

> I have had my family say " well, can't you treat yourself " it really

> used to tick me off... treating myself? RIGHT... it isn't a treat at

> all... or they'll say, " I'll treat you to chinese " which used to be

> my favorite resturant.... The say I liken it is to a bee sting... if

> you are alergic to bee''s, what do you think would happen if I got

> just a little sting? it is the same with " the food item "

>

> I've aslo had my sweet elderly neighbor make special cookies for me..

> she said... " I used white flour and egg beater " so you could eat

> it.... she knows I can't eat wheat or eggs.... that one is strictly a

> gesture of love..... I can't eat them, but tell her how much i

> appriecate them and pretend to eat one.....

> Sonya

> SE Michingan

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> Sally Parrott Ashbrook

> <sally.parrott wrote:

> >

> > James, when people are around me and my husband and someone

> suggests that X

> > food has y allergen in it, but only a little bit (implying I should

> be able

> > to eat it), or suggests that I just have a bite of something that

> will make

> > me sick, my husband says, " For Sally, that's like saying that the

> food only

> > has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. It doesn't matter whether it's a

> little or

> > a lot. It just matters whether she eats any at all. " Him saying it

> comes out

> > nicer than me saying it and takes a bit of the burden off me, which

> is a

> > relief when I've been stressed out about a social occasion. But

> when people

> > ask me to try something in general, I just firmly say, " No thanks,

> I'm

> > allergic. "

> >

> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM, James Nystrom

> <jamesnystromwrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Though I can eat just about anything, I am a vegetarian by

> choice. My wife

> > > Kim, on the other hand, has had food sensitivities for years and

> has been

> > > gluten-free for the last ten. (She can't eat wheat, dairy,

> potatoes,

> > > peppers, and a host of other foods w/o suffering.) I'm hoping we

> can find

> > > some suggestions for good tasting food we can make at home. I'll

> try to

> > > share some ideas that my wife has come up with.

> > >

> > > It is a real struggle when we go out to dinner, especially with

> family

> > > members who should know better and be more supportive. I've

> learned what she

> > > can and can't eat, but other family members keep encouraging her

> to " try

> > > this " . Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing

> their food

> > > suggestions on you?

> > >

> > > James Nystrom

> > > Gluten-free e-cookbook available via http://www.glutenfreeyum.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

'Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing their food

suggestions on you?'

 

You're already one step ahead by looking at everyone as " well-meaning. "

 

" For Sally, that's like saying that the food only

has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. " That's funny. It's good that your husband is

on your side.

 

When I'm cranky (or the person is being a real git), my responses tend

toward more of the following:

" Sure, I'll eat that - as long as you're agreeing to pay for the ride to the

hospital and the ER bills. Get ready to call 911. "

" Really? You have nothing better to think about than what I'm eating? " Then I'll

either try to change the subject to something 'fun' that's going on in town, or,

if I'm in a really snarky mood, I'll bring up religion, abortion, shutting down

Guatanemo Bay and torture issues, or gay marriage rights. Enough controversy

will take someone's mind off your food every time.

 

No, but seriously, my normal response is:

" You eat what works for you, and I'll eat what works for me. And everyone will

be happy. " Then I change the subject (to something nice, I swear).

 

I just started reading " Living Among Meat Eaters " by Carol Adams. Some of the

advice seems pretty good, though her whole premise is that " you should see every

meat eater as a blocked vegetarian. " I don't know how much I agree with that,

but it does help create more empathy in the situation. If you come from your

view from a place of love and not anger or defensiveness, people lay off. And

sometimes even accept your views. Go figure.

 

I don't get why people who eat meat get so defensive when I don't eat meat. I

ate meat for a couple of decades. I've done my share of it (some of my friends

and I joke that " We've done our time - now we're out for good behavior " ). When I

ran into a vegetarian or (gasp!) Vegan, my response was, " You're weird. But

whatever. " I don't remember getting really OFFENDED by it.

 

Sure, the not eating gluten thing does throw in a curve ball. I'm slightly

allergic to MSG, and once my throat swelled up to where I couldn't breathe. But

I never really get any flak for that. When someone tries to get me to go to Ruby

Tuesday's (where that incident happened) or Red Robin (where an incident just a

little less bad happened), I can almost always tell them about it and they

switch to a different restaurant.

 

Another thing that works is getting to know the menu beforehand. When you order

your dish, make some comment about how you've been looking forward to it all day

(or all week, as the case may be). That way, when someone offers you something

else, you can say, " oh, no, I'm saving all my room for my plate " or cite not

wanting to 'spoil the palate.' This usually throws people off enough that they

leave you alone. It doesn't hurt to moan some  " ooh's and aah's " when eating your

food - depending on who you're with, of course! 

 

Humor goes further than anything. But in all honesty, it's really nobody's

business what you eat. If you can laugh about that, then you'll be fine.

 

Michelle

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michelle,

What you said about meat-eaters getting defensive if you don't eat meat really

rings true in our experience. I've often wondered why they get so up in arms

just because we don't eat meat....and then their responses are actually what are

offensive, although I don't let it bother me.  They go off saying stuff like God

created animals so we could eat them.  That one bothers me a bit, but I just

bite my tongue.

Donna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the magic of a gracious " no thank you " either. You do

not have to defend your food choices. It always makes me

uncomfortable when my hubby goes into his " no, we can't eat meat or

wheat " spiel, I find it to be " too much " and in his case, too whiny.

If the person already knows my food issues, a simple " no thank you " .

If they think something is okay and are really open to being told, I

will say " no - wheat " or something like that. If it is a person I

have never dealt with before, I might just say " we have food

allergies " or something similar.

 

But it is pretty hard to argue with a smile and " no thank you " .

That's not to say that it cannot be done, but not without getting

obviously rude.

 

Pam

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Michelle Mahoney <amemahoney wrote:

> 'Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing their food

> suggestions on you?'

>

> You're already one step ahead by looking at everyone as " well-meaning. "

>

>

> " For Sally, that's like saying that the food only

> has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. " That's funny. It's good that your husband

> is on your side.

>

> When I'm cranky (or the person is being a real git), my responses tend

> toward more of the following:

> " Sure, I'll eat that - as long as you're agreeing to pay for the ride to the

> hospital and the ER bills. Get ready to call 911. "

> " Really? You have nothing better to think about than what I'm eating? " Then

> I'll either try to change the subject to something 'fun' that's going on in

> town, or, if I'm in a really snarky mood, I'll bring up religion, abortion,

> shutting down Guatanemo Bay and torture issues, or gay marriage rights.

> Enough controversy will take someone's mind off your food every time.

>

> No, but seriously, my normal response is:

> " You eat what works for you, and I'll eat what works for me. And everyone

> will be happy. " Then I change the subject (to something nice, I swear).

>

> I just started reading " Living Among Meat Eaters " by Carol Adams. Some of

> the advice seems pretty good, though her whole premise is that " you should

> see every meat eater as a blocked vegetarian. " I don't know how much I agree

> with that, but it does help create more empathy in the situation. If you

> come from your view from a place of love and not anger or defensiveness,

> people lay off. And sometimes even accept your views. Go figure.

>

> I don't get why people who eat meat get so defensive when I don't eat meat.

> I ate meat for a couple of decades. I've done my share of it (some of my

> friends and I joke that " We've done our time - now we're out for good

> behavior " ). When I ran into a vegetarian or (gasp!) Vegan, my response was,

> " You're weird. But whatever. " I don't remember getting really OFFENDED by

> it.

>

> Sure, the not eating gluten thing does throw in a curve ball. I'm slightly

> allergic to MSG, and once my throat swelled up to where I couldn't breathe.

> But I never really get any flak for that. When someone tries to get me to go

> to Ruby Tuesday's (where that incident happened) or Red Robin (where an

> incident just a little less bad happened), I can almost always tell them

> about it and they switch to a different restaurant.

>

> Another thing that works is getting to know the menu beforehand. When you

> order your dish, make some comment about how you've been looking forward to

> it all day (or all week, as the case may be). That way, when someone offers

> you something else, you can say, " oh, no, I'm saving all my room for my

> plate " or cite not wanting to 'spoil the palate.' This usually throws people

> off enough that they leave you alone. It doesn't hurt to moan some  " ooh's

> and aah's " when eating your food - depending on who you're with, of

> course! 

>

> Humor goes further than anything. But in all honesty, it's really nobody's

> business what you eat. If you can laugh about that, then you'll be fine.

>

> Michelle

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was raised Southern Baptist in the South USA. It was practically our duty to

eat the animals (after all - who else would?)! The Bible has a line about man

" having dominion " over the other creations, so most people I know use that to

interpret as " we can kill or mistreat them as we please - they don't count, "

whereas I always thought maybe we should protect them or care for them.

 

Luckily, I had enough sense to move to the Pacific Northwest. (No offense to

anyone still in the South.)

 

, Donna Parkhurst

<donnaparkhurst wrote:

>

> Michelle,

> What you said about meat-eaters getting defensive if you don't eat meat really

rings true in our experience. I've often wondered why they get so up in arms

just because we don't eat meat....and then their responses are actually what are

offensive, although I don't let it bother me.  They go off saying stuff like God

created animals so we could eat them.  That one bothers me a bit, but I just

bite my tongue.

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

I have had one occassion where that has worked. One. In my entire life. Everyone

keeps pushing and asking " why not? " But if you've been able to make that work,

you're lucky.

 

, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>

> Don't forget the magic of a gracious " no thank you " either. You do

> not have to defend your food choices. It always makes me

> uncomfortable when my hubby goes into his " no, we can't eat meat or

> wheat " spiel, I find it to be " too much " and in his case, too whiny.

> If the person already knows my food issues, a simple " no thank you " .

> If they think something is okay and are really open to being told, I

> will say " no - wheat " or something like that. If it is a person I

> have never dealt with before, I might just say " we have food

> allergies " or something similar.

>

> But it is pretty hard to argue with a smile and " no thank you " .

> That's not to say that it cannot be done, but not without getting

> obviously rude.

>

> Pam

>

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Michelle Mahoney <amemahoney wrote:

> > 'Do any of you have issues with well-meaning people pushing their food

> > suggestions on you?'

> >

> > You're already one step ahead by looking at everyone as " well-meaning. "

> >

> >

> > " For Sally, that's like saying that the food only

> > has a teaspoon of cyanide in it. " That's funny. It's good that your husband

> > is on your side.

> >

> > When I'm cranky (or the person is being a real git), my responses tend

> > toward more of the following:

> > " Sure, I'll eat that - as long as you're agreeing to pay for the ride to the

> > hospital and the ER bills. Get ready to call 911. "

> > " Really? You have nothing better to think about than what I'm eating? " Then

> > I'll either try to change the subject to something 'fun' that's going on in

> > town, or, if I'm in a really snarky mood, I'll bring up religion, abortion,

> > shutting down Guatanemo Bay and torture issues, or gay marriage rights.

> > Enough controversy will take someone's mind off your food every time.

> >

> > No, but seriously, my normal response is:

> > " You eat what works for you, and I'll eat what works for me. And everyone

> > will be happy. " Then I change the subject (to something nice, I swear).

> >

> > I just started reading " Living Among Meat Eaters " by Carol Adams. Some of

> > the advice seems pretty good, though her whole premise is that " you should

> > see every meat eater as a blocked vegetarian. " I don't know how much I agree

> > with that, but it does help create more empathy in the situation. If you

> > come from your view from a place of love and not anger or defensiveness,

> > people lay off. And sometimes even accept your views. Go figure.

> >

> > I don't get why people who eat meat get so defensive when I don't eat meat.

> > I ate meat for a couple of decades. I've done my share of it (some of my

> > friends and I joke that " We've done our time - now we're out for good

> > behavior " ). When I ran into a vegetarian or (gasp!) Vegan, my response was,

> > " You're weird. But whatever. " I don't remember getting really OFFENDED by

> > it.

> >

> > Sure, the not eating gluten thing does throw in a curve ball. I'm slightly

> > allergic to MSG, and once my throat swelled up to where I couldn't breathe.

> > But I never really get any flak for that. When someone tries to get me to go

> > to Ruby Tuesday's (where that incident happened) or Red Robin (where an

> > incident just a little less bad happened), I can almost always tell them

> > about it and they switch to a different restaurant.

> >

> > Another thing that works is getting to know the menu beforehand. When you

> > order your dish, make some comment about how you've been looking forward to

> > it all day (or all week, as the case may be). That way, when someone offers

> > you something else, you can say, " oh, no, I'm saving all my room for my

> > plate " or cite not wanting to 'spoil the palate.' This usually throws people

> > off enough that they leave you alone. It doesn't hurt to moan some  " ooh's

> > and aah's " when eating your food - depending on who you're with, of

> > course! 

> >

> > Humor goes further than anything. But in all honesty, it's really nobody's

> > business what you eat. If you can laugh about that, then you'll be fine.

> >

> > Michelle

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Mar 5, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Amethyst wrote:

 

> Luckily, I had enough sense to move to the Pacific Northwest. (No

> offense to anyone still in the South.)

=========

 

Ah, but you forget that dear old PETA is in the South. I can throw

stones at them from my home.

 

Sherene

[Guest guest]

Throw stones at PETA? Don't give me any ideas.

 

I like their ideas, but there methods are, at times, um...beyond questionable.

They do have good info, though.

 

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Michelle wrote:

 

>

> Throw stones at PETA? Don't give me any ideas.

>

>

> I like their ideas, but there methods are, at times, um...beyond

> questionable. They do have good info, though.

=========

 

then here's the blog post for you

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/peta-removed-our-dog

 

The writer is one of my closest friends. I was enraged for her. I

could not believe the PETA interns' behavior and the bullying of the

lawyer

 

Sherene

[Guest guest]

I've had people telling me it's in the bible ans stuff like that too! I

respond with " then go eat you cat/dog/hamster for dinner! " which really

offends them! " Well your the one who said god put animals here for us to eat

so with that theory, your beloved pet is dinner! " lol Nobody argues with me

from a religious standpoint any more because I will take it to that extreme!

I figure if your going to open that door you better be prepared to

acknowledge the worst! Don't bite your tongue in those situations. It's one

thing if your starting it and trying to ruin their dinner because you don't

eat meat, but if your being polite and minding your own plate and they start

getting defensive and arguing stupidity, you have every right to defend

yourself with a valid comment that will surely upset them more but they

opened that door! So it's their problem, not yours! If they can't wrap their

head around the thought of eating their own beloved pet then they have no

business arguing that eating animals is ok because the bible tells them so!

I don't start argument, I just end them! I think if people are going to

attack you because of your personal choices, you have every right to make

them put their foot in their mouth! I've never told people what they should

or shouldn't eat, and they have no right telling me that I should eat what I

can't or don't want to eat! Furthermore, the religious argument is flawed in

that those people assume that everybody believes as they do. This is not a

christian dictatorship and I'm offended when people a simple dietary choice

as a means of attacking your values and trying to force their religious

views onto you! Which is why my response is perfect because it stops them

dead in their tracks and leaves them speechless! Who's going to expect a

vegan to tell them to go eat their cat? lol Not that I'd actually want them

to, and I know they wouldn't! It's the shock factor!

You have to mess with people who try to mess with you!

 

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Donna Parkhurst <donnaparkhurstwrote:

 

> Michelle,

> What you said about meat-eaters getting defensive if you don't eat meat

> really rings true in our experience. I've often wondered why they get so up

> in arms just because we don't eat meat....and then their responses are

> actually what are offensive, although I don't let it bother me. They go off

> saying stuff like God created animals so we could eat them. That one

> bothers me a bit, but I just bite my tongue.

> Donna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-I have SDA friends who are vegan and I seem to recall they have given me

recipes and information that have quotes from Genesis that indicate a vegan diet

is preferable for Christians. I passed this on to another Christian friend but

havent seen a move to a vegan (or vegetarian) diet as yet. Lol.

 

 

-- In , Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote:

>

> I've had people telling me it's in the bible ans stuff like that too! I

> respond with " then go eat you cat/dog/hamster for dinner! " which really

> offends them! " Well your the one who said god put animals here for us to eat

> so with that theory, your beloved pet is dinner! " lol Nobody argues with me

> from a religious standpoint any more because I will take it to that extreme!

> I figure if your going to open that door you better be prepared to

> acknowledge the worst! Don't bite your tongue in those situations. It's one

> thing if your starting it and trying to ruin their dinner because you don't

> eat meat, but if your being polite and minding your own plate and they start

> getting defensive and arguing stupidity, you have every right to defend

> yourself with a valid comment that will surely upset them more but they

> opened that door! So it's their problem, not yours! If they can't wrap their

> head around the thought of eating their own beloved pet then they have no

> business arguing that eating animals is ok because the bible tells them so!

> I don't start argument, I just end them! I think if people are going to

> attack you because of your personal choices, you have every right to make

> them put their foot in their mouth! I've never told people what they should

> or shouldn't eat, and they have no right telling me that I should eat what I

> can't or don't want to eat! Furthermore, the religious argument is flawed in

> that those people assume that everybody believes as they do. This is not a

> christian dictatorship and I'm offended when people a simple dietary choice

> as a means of attacking your values and trying to force their religious

> views onto you! Which is why my response is perfect because it stops them

> dead in their tracks and leaves them speechless! Who's going to expect a

> vegan to tell them to go eat their cat? lol Not that I'd actually want them

> to, and I know they wouldn't! It's the shock factor!

> You have to mess with people who try to mess with you!

>

>

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Donna Parkhurst <donnaparkhurstwrote:

>

> > Michelle,

> > What you said about meat-eaters getting defensive if you don't eat meat

> > really rings true in our experience. I've often wondered why they get so up

> > in arms just because we don't eat meat....and then their responses are

> > actually what are offensive, although I don't let it bother me. They go off

> > saying stuff like God created animals so we could eat them. That one

> > bothers me a bit, but I just bite my tongue.

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >