Soy

June 14, 2004

Fredrik, Soy is made into many products which are highly processed. Many

vegans won't touch them since they are mostly GMO and are thought to be harmful.

You can find lots of info here: I don't know if fresh, raw soy beans are

available to the public.

www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Myrna

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:Excuse my ignorance but can soy be eaten

raw? Also, are there any

vegans (cooked/raw) who don't eat soy?

Fredrik

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June 14, 2004

We buy the Edame frozen soy beans at our local co-op. I just steam them

quickly, and then munch down. We eat them plain, but they are great with Braggs

too. Jessie )

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June 14, 2004

I think I got raw soybeans somewhere and they were really REALLY

hard. I guess if you soaked them for a while they might soften, but

I ended up chucking them. Nasty little buggers.

Take care,

Mel

rawfood , esred sez myrna <notes4mld>

wrote:

You can find lots of info here: I don't know if fresh, raw soy

beans are available to the public.

June 16, 2004

If you soaked them but didn't sprout them they wouldn't be much good

for you. I think the obsession with soy is that it contains all the

amino acids for our protiens in one package. But many better things

do too - quinoa i think and also seaweed and blue-green algae like

spirulina and AFA. Plus, although fruit doesn't have much protien

per se, it has tons of amino acids - look at how muscly gorillas

are! Also bulls become huge slabs of muscle just eating grass and

clover. Juice wheatgrass! I put on muscle when I work out even if I

just eat fruit....

Love and light and algae,

Graeme xxx

rawfood , bandbcollection <no_reply> wrote:

> I think I got raw soybeans somewhere and they were really REALLY

> hard. I guess if you soaked them for a while they might soften,

June 21, 2004

> Is fermented not considered raw.

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I treat it as raw but some purists do not.

rusty

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" Melody Cooper " <violetray01

Monday, June 14, 2004 8:05 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Soy

> Is fermented not considered raw

>

> " L.Win " <rustym wrote:

>

> > Excuse my ignorance but can soy be eaten raw?

> -

> Not in the bean form but if sprouted it's wonderful for snacking. Miso or

> tempe is not raw but fermented and is quite digestible but can't qualify

as

> raw.

July 19, 2004

My understanding is that the soy must be fermented to deactivate the enzyme

inhibitors but that still doesn't help with the goitrogenic (thyroid enlarging)

properties or reduced mineral absorption issues.

ridgerunrbunny <ridgerunrbunny wrote:

I'm not real big on soy. Too many hidden negatives. But I was

wondering if anyone knew, , , is there is such a thing as " raw " soy

milk and if so, , are the negative aspects averted if and when they

are sprouted.

July 19, 2004

No raw soy milk. soy must be cooked:

I have heard nothing bad about soy sprouts.

Here are something about soy natto. It comes from a family of fermented soy that

includes tempeh and miso and they are considered as living foods:

By Dr. Joseph Mercola who say who wrote that: Natto, typically have the highest

concentration of vitamin K found in the human diet and can provide several

milligrams of vitamin K2 on a daily basis. This level far exceeds the amount

found in dark green vegetables. Unfortunately, most North Americans do not eat

many fermented foods. http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/14/vitamin_k.htm Dr. J

Mercola is a known soy basher. Maybe soy natto is different and an eye opener:

By Dr. Joseph Mercola who say who wrote that: Natto, typically have the highest

concentration of vitamin K found in the human diet and can provide several

milligrams of vitamin K2 on a daily basis. This level far exceeds the amount

found in dark green vegetables. Unfortunately, most North Americans do not eat

many fermented foods. is a known anti-soy person

http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/14/vitamin_k.htm

vitamin K2 helps strong bones (you need avocado/nut/seed fat to help digest )and

deficiency include bruising and bleeding (nosebleed, bleeding gums, blood in the

urine or stools, extremely heavy menstrual bleeding)

(http://www.gaia21.net/natto/making.htm make natto)

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July 19, 2004

is there is such a thing as " raw " soy

> milk and if so, , are the negative aspects averted if and when they

> are sprouted.

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The only way to avoid the soy negatives is by sprouting or fermenting. That

lets all soy milk and processed soy out, with the exception of miso and

tempe.

Fermented soy sauces like tamari should be OK if they're still raw but many

have been heat processed. Sprouted soy beans drizzled with a tiny bit of

tamari and lemon juice makes a good treat.

rusty

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" ridgerunrbunny " <ridgerunrbunny

Monday, July 19, 2004 8:43 AM

[Raw Food] Soy

> I'm not real big on soy. Too many hidden negatives. But I was

> wondering if anyone knew, , , is there is such a thing as " raw " soy

> milk and if so, , are the negative aspects averted if and when they

> are sprouted.

>

July 21, 2004

I am curious about the soy bashing.

Does the research conclusively show detriment?

Is the research money which paid for the soy research

and testing definitely not linked to any dairy production

agency, group, or interest?

tev

howard huey <huey_htm wrote:

No raw soy milk. soy must be cooked:

I have heard nothing bad about soy sprouts.

Here are something about soy natto. It comes from a family of fermented soy that

includes tempeh and miso and they are considered as living foods:

By Dr. Joseph Mercola who say who wrote that: Natto, typically have the highest

concentration of vitamin K found in the human diet and can provide several

milligrams of vitamin K2 on a daily basis. This level far exceeds the amount

found in dark green vegetables. Unfortunately, most North Americans do not eat

many fermented foods. http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/14/vitamin_k.htm Dr. J

Mercola is a known soy basher. Maybe soy natto is different and an eye opener:

By Dr. Joseph Mercola who say who wrote that: Natto, typically have the highest

concentration of vitamin K found in the human diet and can provide several

milligrams of vitamin K2 on a daily basis. This level far exceeds the amount

found in dark green vegetables. Unfortunately, most North Americans do not eat

many fermented foods. is a known anti-soy person

http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/14/vitamin_k.htm

vitamin K2 helps strong bones (you need avocado/nut/seed fat to help digest )and

deficiency include bruising and bleeding (nosebleed, bleeding gums, blood in the

urine or stools, extremely heavy menstrual bleeding)

(http://www.gaia21.net/natto/making.htm make natto)

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August 4, 2004

I had read a few articles that discuss possible ill-effects of consuming large

amounts of soy. I have yet to read any that show effects of moderate

consumption. As with all things, moderation is key. Until further research shows

up, I recommend that anyone avoid consuming more than 2-3 servings of soy per

day and consume no more than 3 servings of processed soy products per week.

Hoping this helps,

Nina

P.S. This advice does not intend to diagnose, treat, or cure any disease. And is

not a replacement for regular medical care or medical advice.

November 18, 2004

Hi Kelly,

John Robbins also wrote what I thought was a pretty balanced analysis of soy

a bit back.

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm to read it.

Christa

In a message dated 11/18/2004 7:47:28 AM Mountain Standard Time,

kellmar98 writes:

I'm not computer savy. I don't know how to give links. But anyway

this is what I did for those who wanted to know about soy. I went

to Ask Jeeves, and typed in Dangers of Soy. Up popped all kinds of

information. Some of the links gave the pros and cons....not just

the bad. There was so much info. there.....I did not know even

where to start. Basically the message I got out of it was the

message I've gotten out of a lot of foods....soy in moderation. And

there was various information about why not to eat or drink soy.

Hope this helps.

Kelly

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http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

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provide

personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified

health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

November 19, 2004

I think with every subject, one has to consider the source. In studies, one

has to consider who commissioned the study, who is paying for it, backing

it, etc... It's like the new cholesterol guidelines. Isn't it coincidental

that the new guidelines lowering the level of cholesterol before one is

supposed to take medications for it was done by doctors who all are involved

in one way or another with a drug company (ies) that make the cholesterol

lowering drugs?

I've been drinking soy milk and eating soy products for quite some time -

been a vegan for 32 years now and have consumed soy products and milk most

of that time (can't stand rice milk or any or the other alternatives). I

also have ADHD. I guess that's why I'm questioning this. Not that I don't

believe what you read and am challenging your beliefs, Kelly. I'm one who

always wants to learn more. But I have had no problems with soy and as I

stated in an earlier e-mail, neither has my son had problems with soy milk

and ADHD. I do agree, though - Everything should be in moderation except

compassion.

God's Peace,

Gayle

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" kellmar98 " <kellmar98

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:32 PM

Soy

>

> I'm not computer savy. I don't know how to give links. But anyway

> this is what I did for those who wanted to know about soy. I went

> to Ask Jeeves, and typed in Dangers of Soy. Up popped all kinds of

> information. Some of the links gave the pros and cons....not just

> the bad. There was so much info. there.....I did not know even

> where to start. Basically the message I got out of it was the

> message I've gotten out of a lot of foods....soy in moderation. And

> there was various information about why not to eat or drink soy.

> Hope this helps.

> Kelly

>

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

> professional.

>

November 20, 2004

This subject caused a lot of controversy when we discussed it on another board

that I am on. It left a lot of people confused about soy.....including myself.

I went to ask jeeves and typed in dangers of soy and then I typed in benefits of

soy. There were hundreds of artices on both pros and cons. I agree you have to

look at the source.....some of the stuff I just discounted. In the end I went

to Dr. Andrew Weil's website. I really like this guy and respect his opinion.

I looked in the archives and there was more stuff on soy than I could read in

one night. So I chose a few. Basically what I got out of it was soy in

moderation. So I decided that we would incorporate soy back into our diets as a

way to get extra protein and calcium into the girls. Since I don't really want

the girls to have cows milk(Mariah can't drink it anyway) and they don't like

rice or almond milk, soy seems logical to me. My girls like soy milk. Mariah

was on soy formula as a baby because she is

lactose intolerant. I figure one cup of soy milk a day, one cup of calcium

fortified orange juice a day, water, their fruit smoothies they drink, and a

healthy organic balanced diet is about as good as it gets. So anyway your

e-mail got me thinking and it got me to look a little and do some

research.....so thank you for that. I didn't see anything on soy and adhd.

Maybe I'll look at the archives on the other board I'm on and see if I can find

anything on that. I had read something on a lot of people being allergic or

sensitive to soy, but anybody could be allergic to anything. My girls eat nuts

no problem, but I know two kids that if they eat a peanut they could die. And

for the life of me I can't remember who posted the article about why adhd kids

should not consume soy. Maybe I'll just go to that board and ask (it was months

ago). I am new at being a vegetarian and I have a lot to learn yet......I have

a lot to learn about nutrition in general. I grew up in

Montana.....beef country. My mother just fed us and not a lot of thought about

whether we were getting all of the nutrients we needed. Thinking back....my

diet as a kid was crap, and those early habits I formed have lead to some of the

obesity problems I have as an adult. I never ate breakfast as a kid....and my

mother just didn't care if I ate breakfast or not(I love my mother, this just

was not her strong point). I probably only got one or two servings of a fruit

or vegetable a day. Anyway I have vowed to do better for my kids, and so far I

am doing fine. They eat great. They are healthy. I still have more to learn.

O.K. I am done babbling for the evening. I'm going to bed.

Kelly

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