earthlings

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saw it last year at the Roxy theater....

HAH Mar 1, 2007 2:23 PM "Earthlings"

 

 

 

 

 

Have you all sighted this heart wrenching documentary yet called Earthlings? I heard about it on VeganFreak Radio Podcast, it will turn a meat eater into a Vegan in just one show and by the comments there it has done just that!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967

 

love*light,

GaiaHemp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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managed to sit though only a few mins of the link, the image wont ever

leave my mind.

>

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It was truly heart wrenching but necessary for me to know what animals truly go thru at the hands of brainwashed people~

 

 

 

Hempress

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frogsend2

03/02/07 16:14:43

 

Re: "Earthlings"

 

 

,managed to sit though only a few mins of the link, the image wont ever leave my mind.>

 

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JOOOOEEEEEEE

YOU WATCHED ALL OF IT? The WHOLE thing??

I'M SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!

Please write me about it / stay in touch.

EVERYBODY should watch this movie. This is an area even a lot of

raw foodists can stand to whole-heartedly improve, walking around in their

leather/wool, etc.

Wow, Joe. Your attitude and desire to learn really impress me. :-)

THANK YOU, on behalf of the animals. ESPECIALLY kosher cows... ;-)

With respect,

Erica

 

 

 

 

 

Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate

in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.

 

 

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it is powerful.

and an eye opener to all who do not know.

 

a.

 

gds444 <garys wrote:

Hi,

 

Someone mentioned the movie Earthlings earlier today. I've had the DVD

on my shelf for about a month now. Sort of waiting for the right time

to put it in. I hear it's tough to watch. I'd love any feedback on the

movie.

 

Thanks!

Gary

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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lay it on us.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I second Joe's sentiments when he reported nausea upon

viewing. I didn't get through the whole thing myself.

 

Good luck,

-Erin

http://www.vegandonelight.com

 

 

rawfood , " gds444 " <garys wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone mentioned the movie Earthlings earlier today. I've had the DVD

> on my shelf for about a month now. Sort of waiting for the right time

> to put it in. I hear it's tough to watch. I'd love any feedback on the

> movie.

>

> Thanks!

> Gary

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, I'm curious...what's this movie about?

~ Jackie

 

rawfood [rawfood ]On Behalf Of

Erin

Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:40 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Earthlings

 

 

I second Joe's sentiments when he reported nausea upon

viewing. I didn't get through the whole thing myself.

 

Good luck,

-Erin

http://www.vegandonelight.com

 

rawfood , " gds444 " <garys wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone mentioned the movie Earthlings earlier today. I've had the DVD

> on my shelf for about a month now. Sort of waiting for the right time

> to put it in. I hear it's tough to watch. I'd love any feedback on the

> movie.

>

> Thanks!

> Gary

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Gary,

 

Sometimes seeing such images aren't worth it. Once you've been

exposed to them, they stay with you forever.

 

The trailer is beautifully done and I do recommend seeing that at:

http://isawearthlings.com/trailer.html

 

Let us know if you do watch it (the movie), okay?

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " gds444 " <garys wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Someone mentioned the movie Earthlings earlier today. I've had the DVD

> on my shelf for about a month now. Sort of waiting for the right time

> to put it in. I hear it's tough to watch. I'd love any feedback on the

> movie.

>

> Thanks!

> Gary

>

[Guest guest]

-I watched it last night.

I did get through the whole thing.

 

some of the clips I have seen years ago-

several perhaps 25 years ago.

The cruelty of vivesection,facrtory farming,torture of animals is a

horrible truth to watch.I have never understood the disconnect that

people make,

Em

 

-- In rawfood , " Erin " <truepatriot wrote:

>

> I second Joe's sentiments when he reported nausea upon

> viewing. I didn't get through the whole thing myself.

>

> Good luck,

> -Erin

> http://www.vegandonelight.com

>

>

> rawfood , " gds444 " <garys@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Someone mentioned the movie Earthlings earlier today. I've had the DVD

> > on my shelf for about a month now. Sort of waiting for the right time

> > to put it in. I hear it's tough to watch. I'd love any feedback on the

> > movie.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Gary

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday 19 September 2007 22:40, Erin wrote:

> I second Joe's sentiments when he reported nausea upon

> viewing.  I didn't get through the whole thing myself.

>

> Good luck,

> -Erin

> http://www.vegandonelight.com

>

 

sounds very much like the 1980's film " The Animals Film " ,

narrated by Julie Christie. Since the time of its showing

alas, it hasn't seemed to make a noticeable difference.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Hey All-

 

I've seen Earthlings at least 3 or 4 times. And for me, it is very

hard to watch -- but I watch it only for 2 reasons.

 

1) Because a new person who doesn't comprehend in full the abuse and

torture that is going on in the agricultural industry is willing to

watch it (and it pays off: they almost always at least go

vegetarian/can't buy leather anymore, etc)

 

2) Because I learn from it. Even their documentation on fish is very

rare and pretty much obsolete in even other animal industry films.

 

Is it tough to watch? Absolutely. But I respectfully disagree with

Janet that people shouldn't watch it due to the imagery. I have 2

already very vegan friends who cannot handle such images, and so

it's fine if they don't watch it. BUT if people are still eating and

wearing animals, but say they cannot watch it because they can't

handle it, to me that makes no sense and they should still watch it.

 

I love how it's done. It is a great watch, but yes, drives the point

home. I would encourage anyone to watch it at least once.

 

~Erica

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " emusedmary " <emusedmary wrote:

>

> -I watched it last night.

> I did get through the whole thing.

>

> some of the clips I have seen years ago-

> several perhaps 25 years ago.

> The cruelty of vivesection,facrtory farming,torture of animals is a

> horrible truth to watch.I have never understood the disconnect that

> people make,

> Em

>

Thank you for watching it. The first time I saw it was in a MOVIE

THEATER. Can you IMAGINE? I did walk out, but I was at a AR

conference and like had watched slaughter and bullfights, etc, in

graphic detail all day.

 

I found the Kosher slaughter to be especially horrifying. OMG. But

thank you for watching the whole video, once again. Leather, wool,

fishing...these industries are just so violent!

[Guest guest]

If people eating meat are truly ignorant of what goes on in factory

farming, then I do advocate " meeting your meat " . Absolutely.

However, some people cannot adjust to certain images and are better

left reading about it. That is what I meant by my previously posted

statement.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

Hey All- I've seen Earthlings at least 3 or 4 times. And for me, it

is very hard to watch -- but I watch it only for 2 reasons.

 

1) Because a new person who doesn't comprehend in full the abuse and

torture that is going on in the agricultural industry is willing to

watch it (and it pays off: they almost always at least go

vegetarian/can't buy leather anymore, etc)

 

2) Because I learn from it. Even their documentation on fish is very

rare and pretty much obsolete in even other animal industry films.

 

Is it tough to watch? Absolutely. But I respectfully disagree with

Janet that people shouldn't watch it due to the imagery. I have 2

already very vegan friends who cannot handle such images, and so it's

fine if they don't watch it. BUT if people are still eating and

wearing animals, but say they cannot watch it because they can't

handle it, to me that makes no sense and they should still watch it.

 

I love how it's done. It is a great watch, but yes, drives the point

home. I would encourage anyone to watch it at least once.

 

~Erica

[Guest guest]

> If people eating meat are truly ignorant of what goes on in factory

> farming, then I do advocate " meeting your meat " . Absolutely.

> However, some people cannot adjust to certain images and are better

> left reading about it. That is what I meant by my previously

posted

> statement.

>

 

The problem with Meat Your Meat is that it's honestly doesn't

portray it to be as bad as it is. And it doesn't address clothing or

product or entertainment choices, either. Meat Your Meat was filmed

at a very small slaughterhouse, not in any of the big ones that are

1,000 times worse.

 

IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff - and if

they are vegan, they shouldn't. What is the point? HOWEVER, if they

are NOT, they cannot cry " too much for me " because if it was " so

bad " they wouldn't pay someone to do the very acts they cannot

watch. A picture is worth a 1,000 words.

 

I loathe such sights, but so many say they cannot handle it but

still support it. That makes no sense to me.

 

I respectfully think everybody, no matter what, can sit through

Earthlings at least once. How hard is that compared to the billions

of lifes who have to LIVE through Earthlings? A reality check.

 

Erica

[Guest guest]

where can I find this movie?

~ thanks, Jackie

 

rawfood [rawfood ]On Behalf Of

Erica

Monday, September 24, 2007 1:49 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Earthlings

 

 

 

> If people eating meat are truly ignorant of what goes on in factory

> farming, then I do advocate " meeting your meat " . Absolutely.

> However, some people cannot adjust to certain images and are better

> left reading about it. That is what I meant by my previously

posted

> statement.

>

 

The problem with Meat Your Meat is that it's honestly doesn't

portray it to be as bad as it is. And it doesn't address clothing or

product or entertainment choices, either. Meat Your Meat was filmed

at a very small slaughterhouse, not in any of the big ones that are

1,000 times worse.

 

IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff - and if

they are vegan, they shouldn't. What is the point? HOWEVER, if they

are NOT, they cannot cry " too much for me " because if it was " so

bad " they wouldn't pay someone to do the very acts they cannot

watch. A picture is worth a 1,000 words.

 

I loathe such sights, but so many say they cannot handle it but

still support it. That makes no sense to me.

 

I respectfully think everybody, no matter what, can sit through

Earthlings at least once. How hard is that compared to the billions

of lifes who have to LIVE through Earthlings? A reality check.

 

Erica

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me about the entertainment choices? I do know that most

film is made with gelatin, and I can't stand Ted Nugent, but anything

else I may be unaware of (or maybe it's just second nature, and I'm

just not think about it).

 

~kristi

 

On Sep 24, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Erica wrote:

 

> And it doesn't address clothing or

> product or entertainment choices,

[Guest guest]

www.isawearthlings.com

 

rawfood , " Abundance Now " <totalhealth wrote:

>

> where can I find this movie?

> ~ thanks, Jackie

>

>

> rawfood [rawfood ]On

Behalf Of

> Erica

> Monday, September 24, 2007 1:49 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Earthlings

>

>

>

> > If people eating meat are truly ignorant of what goes on in factory

> > farming, then I do advocate " meeting your meat " . Absolutely.

> > However, some people cannot adjust to certain images and are better

> > left reading about it. That is what I meant by my previously

> posted

> > statement.

> >

>

> The problem with Meat Your Meat is that it's honestly doesn't

> portray it to be as bad as it is. And it doesn't address clothing or

> product or entertainment choices, either. Meat Your Meat was filmed

> at a very small slaughterhouse, not in any of the big ones that are

> 1,000 times worse.

>

> IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff - and if

> they are vegan, they shouldn't. What is the point? HOWEVER, if they

> are NOT, they cannot cry " too much for me " because if it was " so

> bad " they wouldn't pay someone to do the very acts they cannot

> watch. A picture is worth a 1,000 words.

>

> I loathe such sights, but so many say they cannot handle it but

> still support it. That makes no sense to me.

>

> I respectfully think everybody, no matter what, can sit through

> Earthlings at least once. How hard is that compared to the billions

> of lifes who have to LIVE through Earthlings? A reality check.

>

> Erica

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , Kristi <pixiechik wrote:

>

> Can you tell me about the entertainment choices?

 

By entertainment choices, I mean zoos, circuses (that involve

animals), and aquariums, and stuff like that. On rare occassions,

the " swimming with the dolphins " or " pony ride " options at resorts

or theme parks. Roadside safaris where you can pet a baby tiger,

etc. All of those are totally exploitative and unfair and unjust to

the animals, who live a life of slavery.

 

Clothing: obviously fur is violent and unnecessarily cruel, but so

are leather and WOOL. I know what you are thinking - how is wool so

bad? If you don't know, check www.youtube.com for mulesling, among

other dirty tricks of the wool industry.

 

As far as products, obviously vivisection is a horrid process that

is wholly unnecessary to scientific progress, etc. Not buying

products that were used in animal experiments, whether prescription

or cosmetic, is really important. And easy to do when you are a

naturalist or raw foodist. :-)

 

I have a lot of good videos in the resources section of my website -

www.schoolofrawk.com - that are under various headings and give good

overviews of a lot of these topics.

 

-Erica

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Abundance Now " <totalhealth

wrote:

>

> where can I find this movie?

> ~ thanks, Jackie

>

It is free on www.youtube.com (in 3 segments) or, I'm told, on google

video. But to order it, try here: www.isawearthlings.com. It is worth

ordering, especially to reach others with. :-)

[Guest guest]

I can't stand Ted Nugent, but anything

 

See how easy it is to be vegan? You're already almost there! LOL. Who

can???? Ug. He's such a caveman - in a bad way. I think Goldfinger has

a song on some animal rights cd called " F**k Ted Nugent! " . It's

HILARIOUS! Highly recommended. Erica

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

[...]

 

> IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff - and

if

> they are vegan, they shouldn't. What is the point? HOWEVER, if they

> are NOT, they cannot cry " too much for me " because if it was " so

> bad " they wouldn't pay someone to do the very acts they cannot

> watch. A picture is worth a 1,000 words.

 

[...]

 

You'd definitely think this was the case, but I was shocked the

other night watching the game show Power Of 10 with Drew Carey

when they revealed the results of a poll showing something like

75% of Americans said they would still eat meat even if they had

to do the killing themselves!

 

 

-Erin

http://www.vegandonelight.com

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

-

Erica

>Clothing: obviously fur is violent and unnecessarily cruel, but so

are leather and WOOL. I know what you are thinking - how is wool so

bad? If you don't know, check www.youtube.com for mulesling, among

other dirty tricks of the wool industry.

 

A quick websearch tells me that Australia now has legislation in place with

regard to the treatment of animals for export, and the practice of mulesing,

among other things. I also know of some farms in the US, and other countries

(New Zealand for example), who raise their sheep organically, or in a kind

manner.

 

I've been looking into this pretty extensively over the past couple of

years, as wool is a great fibre to use, particularly for babies, and is

often used by those who use cloth nappies. I like to wear it too. It has

some pretty amazing thermodynamic properties that make the heat here a

little more bearable. I have to say that the organic wool, both yarn and

fabric, is far nicer to feel, and to work with, than commercially produced

yarns. I am pleased, though, that the less expensive commercially produced

yarn, from Australia at least, is not the result of cruelty such as

mulesing. Though I would like to see a local organic sheep farm, and not

have to go international for it.

 

That said, I have no idea what goes on in abattoirs over here - there is one

in the town I live in, but I've never felt a want or need to go for a visit.

I don't think I could stand the smell. I do know someone who used to work

there, but his view was that he was unimpressed with how they treat their

staff, no comment on what happened to the animals. I often see trucks full

of cattle going through town on their way to the abattoir.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

> A quick websearch tells me that Australia now has legislation in

place with

> regard to the treatment of animals for export, and the practice of

mulesing,

> among other things.

 

Of course they do. The U.S. has many humane slaughter laws, too. The

question is, are they in practice? I would seriously question where

wool comes from, and look into the practices. It is impossible to

clothe entire countries in 'humane' wool, which is why the wool

industry as well as every other animal industry, pretty much, has

gotten to the level of abuse it is in: mass production. Wool may feel

good, but I would urge anyone to consider if that is the message we

wish to present to the world, that exploitation is okay as long as we

are warm. I'm not saying this to start any debates or criticize

anyone, I'm just saying this " at large " . Because if we wear one piece

of animal clothing that we " know " was humanely done (an exception to

the rule), we put the message out there that it is okay, period, when

they just see the wool, not it's origin, on our backs. Please note

that by no means is Australia to be trusted to be providing " ethical "

wool this late in the game. Just because someone filmed them and they

looked bad and initiated a policy... well, the U.S. does that, and we

all know how awful our industries are. It's a matter of enforcing

them, which is a whole other issue.

[Guest guest]

You can watch and download it on Google Video.

 



..wyn

http://www.TheRawRetreat.com

 

 

 



..wyn

http://www.TheRawRetreat.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Erica,

 

You said: IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff

- and if they are vegan, they shouldn't.

What is the point?

 

Then you said: I respectfully think everybody, no matter what, can sit

through Earthlings at least once.

 

I perceive that you really want all of us to watch it, which is

reasonable as it looks like a beautifully done movie (based on the

trailer). However, watching the trailer was enough for me. I've seen

enough horrific images to last numerous lifetimes. Alas, I practice a

vegan (raw) lifestyle, so it's preaching to the choir with me. And, I

recently watched " Fast Food Nation " and read the book. The book and

the movie are completely different in that the movie is fictional and

the book is not. Both are exceptional and will give any viewer and

reader pause if not cause deep despair. I think a person has to be

ready for such information.

 

Honestly, I'd like to watch Earthlings. But, the feelings of despair

that follow watching a movie like that keep me from seeking it out.

I'm in a phase where I need positive forces to keep me going in the

right direction.

 

Btw, I've enjoyed this thread, and I like your perspectives.

 

Janet

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

 

If people eating meat are truly ignorant of what goes on in factory

farming, then I do advocate " meeting your meat " . Absolutely.

However, some people cannot adjust to certain images and are better

left reading about it. That is what I meant by my previously posted

statement.

 

 

The problem with Meat Your Meat is that it's honestly doesn't portray

it to be as bad as it is. And it doesn't address clothing or product

or entertainment choices, either. Meat Your Meat was filmed at a very

small slaughterhouse, not in any of the big ones that are

1,000 times worse.

 

IMO, obviously there are people who cannot watch that stuff - and if

they are vegan, they shouldn't. What is the point? HOWEVER, if they

are NOT, they cannot cry " too much for me " because if it was " so bad "

they wouldn't pay someone to do the very acts they cannot watch. A

picture is worth a 1,000 words.

 

I loathe such sights, but so many say they cannot handle it but still

support it. That makes no sense to me.

 

I respectfully think everybody, no matter what, can sit through

Earthlings at least once. How hard is that compared to the billions

of lifes who have to LIVE through Earthlings? A reality check.

 

Erica