Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. Thanks! -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. Janelle ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hey Nancy! I'm pregnant and at 23 weeks, and I am vegetarian. I have craved non-veg foods! It's so weird because I went through this with my first pregnancy as well. With my first, it was chicken, and now with my second it is turkey breast! Towards the end of my first pregnancy I could care less about chicken, so it did go away. I was raised until I was 12 on poultry and fish. At 12, when my sister was born, my family became vegan and then I became veg. I think that may have something to do with the cravings...I dunno. Not sure. I wouldn't mind finding that out myself. But how I dealt with the chicken from my first, Morningstar Farms chicken strips helped a lot! And then, with my second, I'm trying to make more a variety of recipes that are veg and bought Veggie Slices or something to help deal. I dunno if this helps much, but at least you know you are not alone... -Jamie , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer wrote: > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 during both of my pregnancies (I'm 7 months along with my 2nd now) meat, seafood, etc. actually became even more repulsive to me. I work in a grocery store and walking by the meat or seafood counter made me so ill. Cravings are hard if your pregnant or not but they can beovercome. They go away eventually. Try to distract yourself long enough that you forget about the craving and surround yourself with healthy foods you really enjoy. (There are times when I can't bring myself to eat anything so I have to take advantage of the times when I'm actually hungry and fill up on good stuff.) , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer wrote: > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 i've been veg for almost 20 yrs. but with the pregs of both my 4 and 2 yr olds i ate bacon and whoppers, and pepsi. it was such a struggle. not pregnant i have no cravings. i hope you are stronger than i was. Unita Walburn Mulberry Island Station Homestead Berefoot Books Stall Holder visit my site @ www.mybarefootbooks.com/UnitaWalburn ________________________________ ad00rable_1 <nkiffer Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:10:23 AM Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. Thanks! -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I did not crave meat at all during any of my pregnancies. However I did crave junk food...mostly soy ice cream. I don't think that that was my body trying to tell me that I needed the sugar though and I resisted as best as possible. Jill --- On Mon, 9/28/09, food4u1575 <dana.sommers wrote: food4u1575 <dana.sommers Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:47 AM during both of my pregnancies (I'm 7 months along with my 2nd now) meat, seafood, etc. actually became even more repulsive to me. I work in a grocery store and walking by the meat or seafood counter made me so ill. Cravings are hard if your pregnant or not but they can beovercome. They go away eventually. Try to distract yourself long enough that you forget about the craving and surround yourself with healthy foods you really enjoy. (There are times when I can't bring myself to eat anything so I have to take advantage of the times when I'm actually hungry and fill up on good stuff.) @gro ups.com, " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer > wrote: > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I hate to admit it but I got MAJOR cravings for cheeseburgers during the first trimester with both my pregnancies. The cravings were so strong and made me so insane that I gave in and ate the cheeseburgers! I ate about 1-2 week but finally around the 2nd trimester I didn't care for them anymore. I say don't torture yourself. It's not that big a deal. If you want to give into your cravings go ahead. I'm sure the cravings will past too. Good luck! --- On Mon, 9/28/09, unita walburn <uwalburn wrote: unita walburn <uwalburn Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:25 AM i've been veg for almost 20 yrs. but with the pregs of both my 4 and 2 yr olds i ate bacon and whoppers, and pepsi. it was such a struggle. not pregnant i have no cravings. i hope you are stronger than i was. Unita Walburn Mulberry Island Station Homestead Berefoot Books Stall Holder visit my site @ www.mybarefootbooks .com/UnitaWalbur n ____________ _________ _________ __ ad00rable_1 <nkiffer (AT) comcast (DOT) net> @gro ups.com Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:10:23 AM Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. Thanks! -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy wrote: Janelle Stewart <morningacademy Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. Janelle ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you are lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley high in iron. See if that satisfy's your cravings. I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were totally discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. Tanya --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay wrote: Denise Turner <deniseamay Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> wrote: Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. Janelle ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. j. ________________________________ tanya wynette <wynettelove Monday, September 28, 2009 11:09:05 AM Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you are lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley high in iron. See if that satisfy's your cravings. I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were totally discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. Tanya --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote: Denise Turner <deniseamay > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> wrote: Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. Janelle ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I have a friend who is not a vegetarian, and with her first child ALL meat made her gag. She turned to tofu because she couldn't deal with meat in any way. I had a serious aversion to green peppers when I was pregnant. It was so strong sometimes I still forget (it's been over 6yrs now) that I actually DO like them and they don't make me sick. I never really had any cravings, but I sure did love fresh fruit smoothies (I always put tofu in them to help with that). I had a very uneventful pregnancy - and wasn't prone to as many issues during it from what I've heard from others. The birth on the other hand, did not go how I expected it (we did hypnobirthing and I only ended up laboring in the water for 12 hrs before I gave up and had to have drugs and a c-section because I didn't progress after all that time, and my water broke early on, so it was a hard decision - I could have stuck with it for 2 more hours, but then I'd have not had a choice, it would just be done. I'm just glad that I had midwives because they don't push those, and so I knew they were serious and I was tired so I opted to just meet my son earlier rather than later). Phew! Missie On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, jenni claire garverick < jennigarverick wrote: > > > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are > trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many > world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they > crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to > their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder > if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research > and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience > mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while > pregnant. > j. > > ________________________________ > tanya wynette <wynettelove <wynettelove%40>> > <%40> > Monday, September 28, 2009 11:09:05 AM > > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > > > I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you are > lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley high in iron. > See if that satisfy's your cravings. > I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were totally > discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. > > Tanya > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote: > > Denise Turner <deniseamay > > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM > > > > Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they > didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM > > > > I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second > > pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad > > taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, > > all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a > > McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat > > during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell > > me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than > > just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I > > didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing > > weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you > > can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body > > I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness > > and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit > > as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - > > first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. > > Janelle > > ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > > > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > > > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > > > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > > > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > > > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > > > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > > > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > > > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > > > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > > > with cravings and aversions. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Nancy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 wait, wait, please let's not make the assumption based on a few people that " most vegetarians crave meat when pregnant. " I did a little research online also and the result seemed to be that there just wasn't enough research done. Jill --- On Mon, 9/28/09, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Monday, September 28, 2009, 8:36 PM I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. j. ____________ _________ _________ __ tanya wynette <wynettelove@ > @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009 11:09:05 AM Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you are lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley high in iron. See if that satisfy's your cravings. I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were totally discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. Tanya --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay> wrote: Denise Turner <deniseamay> Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> wrote: Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant @gro ups.com Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. Janelle ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I've had 3 vegan pregnancies, but never craved non- vegan food. I did crave strange things at times, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with something my body needed... I have done some doula work and seen lots of pregnant moms (veg and omni) and I think cravings have much more to do with " comfort " than nutrition. I personally wouldn't " give in " too much to cravings if they are for unhealthy foods like meat or in the case of my first pregnancy, strawberry cupcakes (something I have not craved for ten years since that pregnancy) if you can. I did find that eating out was a challenge while pregnant with my first because certain smells really bothered me. With my second and third not so much. I've never known any vegetarians in real life who craved meat during pregnancy, some flexiterians, but no veg moms. I was surprised to here of a few on this list. I don't think it is that common. Good luck and enjoy this wonderful time!!!! Linda Http://triballife.net/ , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer wrote: > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. > > Thanks! > > -Nancy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I'm with (I forgot who it was) that said their cravings centered around sweets (mine was marshmallows. . . dipped in fudge. . . or caramel. . . or ganache yes I had access to an ice cream shop so it was easy to give into) but I was also extremely conscious of getting the vitamins through prenatal vitamin pills and trying to eat a good balance of foods. Never craved meat AT ALL. But I've had veg friends who did. Go figure! :-) Dee On Sep 28, 2009, at 1:36 PM, jenni claire garverick wrote: > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people > are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I > digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant > women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the > baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby > telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually > studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I > find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what > I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while > pregnant. > j. > > ________________________________ > tanya wynette <wynettelove > > Monday, September 28, 2009 11:09:05 AM > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while > pregnant > > > I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you > are lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley > high in iron. See if that satisfy's your cravings. > I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were > totally discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. > > Tanya > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote: > > Denise Turner <deniseamay > > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while > pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM > > > > Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I > found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> > wrote: > > Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while > pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM > > > > I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second > > pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad > > taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, > > all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a > > McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat > > during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell > > me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than > > just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I > > didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was > losing > > weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that > you > > can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own > body > > I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness > > and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit > > as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - > > first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. > > Janelle > > ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > > > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > > > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > > > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > > > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very > sensitive > > > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > > > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > > > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences > and > > > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > > > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > > > with cravings and aversions. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Nancy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I agree with the idea that most cravings are due to some deficiency of vitamin/minerals in the diet. When I'm iron deficient, I notice I chomp ice cubes a lot - which means I need to increase the level of my iron supplements. Not sure about most vegetarian/vegans craving meat during prenancy. I had no cravings at all while pregnant, and really expected too, especially since I am anemic most of the time... It was, however, one of the most annoying questions/statements during my pregnancy from people who knew I am vegan: " but you'll crave meat and you'll need to eat it to make sure you have a healthy baby " . Sigh. , jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. > j. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I did not have any meat cravings with my pregnancies, actually sounded even worse to me, but for the first half I was barely able to hold anything down anyway, not sure what that means from the baby! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I found the following article and thought you ladies would find it interesting. It talks about cravings. tanya http://www.sheknows.com/articles/808076.htm --- On Tue, 9/29/09, bubbatoes <cbrown wrote: bubbatoes <cbrown Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:21 AM I agree with the idea that most cravings are due to some deficiency of vitamin/minerals in the diet. When I'm iron deficient, I notice I chomp ice cubes a lot - which means I need to increase the level of my iron supplements. Not sure about most vegetarian/vegans craving meat during prenancy. I had no cravings at all while pregnant, and really expected too, especially since I am anemic most of the time... It was, however, one of the most annoying questions/statement s during my pregnancy from people who knew I am vegan: " but you'll crave meat and you'll need to eat it to make sure you have a healthy baby " . Sigh. @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ ...> wrote: > > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. > j. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 There may be some merit to the belief that your body craves things that it's missing but you still have to take that advice with a grain of salt. I've also heard your body craves what it's allergic to and that you crave what you are addicted to. Who knows? If you're eating a well balanced diet and taking some pre-natal vitamins you're probably getting what you need. You really need to make the decision based on what you know is best for you and your baby. (and moms do know!) , jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick wrote: > > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. > j. > > > > ________________________________ > tanya wynette <wynettelove > > Monday, September 28, 2009 11:09:05 AM > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > > > I have heard that you crave foods that have the vitamins that you are lacking. Meat has iron. Eat some prunes that are extremley high in iron. See if that satisfy's your cravings. > I ate so many prunes durring my first pregnancy that people were totally discusted. And NO it did not cause me to have the poops. > > Tanya > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote: > > Denise Turner <deniseamay > > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:50 AM > > > > Have you tried the meat substitutes like Boca or Morningstar? I found they didn't tame my cravings but maybe it will work for you? > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> wrote: > > Janelle Stewart <morningacademy@ gmail.com> > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > @gro ups.com > Monday, September 28, 2009, 1:03 AM > > > > I was not vegan with my first pregnancy but by the time of my second > > pregnancy I had been vegan for around 6 months. I was soooo sick, bad > > taste, incredibly sensitive to smells etc. So funny - just like you, > > all of a sudden tofu made me gag and I CRAVED beef. I wanted a > > McDonald's hamburger for breakfast (yuk!)! I did finally eat meat > > during the pregnancy because I decided my body might be trying to tell > > me it needed something. I am a proponent that our food is more than > > just an alphabet so I just followed my body for the most part. Well, I > > didn't go to McD's but I did eat meat, also partly because I was losing > > weight and it was one of the few things I could keep down. Not that you > > can't have a completely healthy vegan pregnancy - just that my own body > > I think needed something. You will be happy to know that the sickness > > and strange cravings went away after the pregnancy. Tofu is every bit > > as wonderful now as it was before! I also craved spicy food for both - > > first was Indian and the second was Thai. Go figure. > > Janelle > > ad00rable_1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? > > > I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or > > > vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > > > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my > > > 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive > > > to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night > > > and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made > > > me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and > > > if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have > > > otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt > > > with cravings and aversions. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Nancy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 this article bugs me a little. why does everyone think it's ok to give into your cravings when it comes to meat but they say to use caution when talking about sugar? To me, meat is just as unhealthy. , Vegan Linda <veganlinda wrote: > > I've had 3 vegan pregnancies, but never craved non- vegan food. I did crave strange things at times, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with something my body needed... I have done some doula work and seen lots of pregnant moms (veg and omni) and I think cravings have much more to do with " comfort " than nutrition. I personally wouldn't " give in " too much to cravings if they are for unhealthy foods like meat or in the case of my first pregnancy, strawberry cupcakes (something I have not craved for ten years since that pregnancy) if you can. > > I did find that eating out was a challenge while pregnant with my first because certain smells really bothered me. With my second and third not so much. > > I've never known any vegetarians in real life who craved meat during pregnancy, some flexiterians, but no veg moms. I was surprised to here of a few on this list. I don't think it is that common. > > Good luck and enjoy this wonderful time!!!! > > Linda > Http://triballife.net/ > > > , " ad00rable_1 " <nkiffer@> wrote: > > > > Just wondering if others were craving non-vegan food while pregnant? I'm 7 weeks pregnant with my second child. I was not vegan or vegetarian during my first pregnancy. > > I have a constant bad taste in my mouth (that I didn't have with my 1st) that often makes me want to gag and am definitely very sensitive to smells. I was making tofu scramble and hashbrowns the other night and though it smelled delicious the texture of the tofu totally made me want to gag. I'm guess I'm looking to hear others' experiences and if they consumed anything while pregnant that they wouldn't have otherwise. Or just how you got along during this time, how you dealt with cravings and aversions. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Nancy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I was bummed to read that the two veg moms in this article did not go back to being veg after. What does that say about vegetarians? I can honestly see why people give in to the cravings, its easier to give in to them when pregnant than when not pregnant. Even pregnant omni mom's eat a lot of things they wouldn't normally. I know when I was omni and pregnant w/ my first I ate A LOT and definitely didn't continue that pattern after she was born. I'm guessing maybe the vegetarians in the article were not ethical vegetarians so it was easier to walk away from it. I did enjoy the second article (link at the bottom of the first). The moms did go back to their previous diet and the one mom curbed her cravings with other foods. I did try to make a tofu omlet and tofu scramble instead of using eggs. But like I mentioned in my first post the texture of tofu made me gag. For a short while I was really craving eggs. I did end up having my husband purchase some eggs for me and I did eat one hard boiled and haven't wanted one since. That's been it so far. I have really, really been thinking a lot about the taste of some of my old favorite " junk " foods like mini chocolate donuts, some non-vegan chocolate bars, giant chocolate muffins. I've really thought a lot about the taste, smell and texture of salmon too. Other than that I don't think there has bee much else. I've already felt guilt eating that egg. On one hand I can see myself justifying using this time to just do whatever I want, putting the baby first and the animals second. Which I guess is what the majority of the world does every single day which makes me so mad. I think afterwards I would feel horribly guilty that I put my ethics on the back burner. I think I'd wonder if I could have had a baby just as healthy and stuck w/ my vegan diet. My last pregnancy even though I ate anything and everything I was borderline for gestational diabetes and ended up having to add more protein and started eating an egg & turkey bacon bagel every morning. In the back of my mind I'm wondering if I'm going to be in the same boat again with this pregnancy. I just don't know what is right for me right now. I so absolutely appreciate all of the feedback and its so good to hear all the different stories with some eating whatever their body craved and then returning to their regular diet after pregnancy. I'm thinking if I ended up crossing over to a now and again lacto-ovo veg I'd be able to deal. I think =) Halloween is right around the corner and the thought of all the different chocolate candies is making me salivate while typing this. Thanks again! -Nancy , tanya wynette <wynettelove wrote: > > I found the following article and thought you ladies would find it interesting. It talks about cravings. > tanya > > http://www.sheknows.com/articles/808076.htm > > --- On Tue, 9/29/09, bubbatoes <cbrown wrote: > > > bubbatoes <cbrown > Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:21 AM > > > > > > > I agree with the idea that most cravings are due to some deficiency of vitamin/minerals in the diet. When I'm iron deficient, I notice I chomp ice cubes a lot - which means I need to increase the level of my iron supplements. > > Not sure about most vegetarian/vegans craving meat during prenancy. I had no cravings at all while pregnant, and really expected too, especially since I am anemic most of the time... > It was, however, one of the most annoying questions/statement s during my pregnancy from people who knew I am vegan: " but you'll crave meat and you'll need to eat it to make sure you have a healthy baby " . Sigh. > > @gro ups.com, jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick@ ....> wrote: > > > > I've heard that, too, with the cravings (most notably when people are trying to justify why their kids are eating dirt etc., but I digress) . Many world cultures also have superstitions re: pregnant women eating what they crave- it's thought to be bad luck for the baby if they don't give in to their cravings (it's usually the baby telling them what to crave). I wonder if anyone's ever actually studied this. I'm going to do a bit of research and I'll post what I find (if anything). Seems like this group's experience mirrors what I've experienced: that most vegetarians crave meat etc. while pregnant. > > j. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm vegan and didn't have any non-vegan cravings or experience that famished, can't-eat-enough feeling. I didn't have many cravings at all...thai tofu in my last trimester. I gained about 20 lbs., had an 8+ lb. baby, and was wearing my pre-pregnancy jeans in about 2 weeks! That's a pro for trying to remain vegan! Meateaters have told me that Morning Star Grillers taste like McD burgers. Grillers aren't vegan but at least they're vegetarian. Maybe some of you would find that they stop your cravings for burgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 One of the Morning Star Farms ones is vegan (maybe it's the Original vegi burger one? -also says vegan on it - I could swear it says " Original Grillers " or something similar and then under it " Vegan " . Could be another one though - they have so many different kinds - but we get them from time to time. Boca has one that is vegan, too. We get the cheaper of the 2 (varies with sales at different stores) if/when I get them. Missie On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM, vegetariankids <vegetariankidswrote: > > > I'm vegan and didn't have any non-vegan cravings or experience that > famished, can't-eat-enough feeling. I didn't have many cravings at > all...thai tofu in my last trimester. I gained about 20 lbs., had an 8+ lb. > baby, and was wearing my pre-pregnancy jeans in about 2 weeks! That's a pro > for trying to remain vegan! > > Meateaters have told me that Morning Star Grillers taste like McD burgers. > Grillers aren't vegan but at least they're vegetarian. Maybe some of you > would find that they stop your cravings for burgers. > > > -- http://mszzzi.zoomshare.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/mszzzi/ ~~~~~(m-.-)m http://www.derbylite.org www.ChicagoVeganMania.com www.VeganOutreach.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 If you buy Boca products, keep in mind that the non-organic items are made with GMO soy... ________________________________ Missie <mszzzi Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:37:31 PM Re: Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant One of the Morning Star Farms ones is vegan (maybe it's the Original vegi burger one? -also says vegan on it - I could swear it says " Original Grillers " or something similar and then under it " Vegan " . Could be another one though - they have so many different kinds - but we get them from time to time. Boca has one that is vegan, too. We get the cheaper of the 2 (varies with sales at different stores) if/when I get them. Missie On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM, vegetariankids <vegetariankids@ >wrote: > > > I'm vegan and didn't have any non-vegan cravings or experience that > famished, can't-eat-enough feeling. I didn't have many cravings at > all...thai tofu in my last trimester. I gained about 20 lbs., had an 8+ lb. > baby, and was wearing my pre-pregnancy jeans in about 2 weeks! That's a pro > for trying to remain vegan! > > Meateaters have told me that Morning Star Grillers taste like McD burgers. > Grillers aren't vegan but at least they're vegetarian. Maybe some of you > would find that they stop your cravings for burgers. > > > -- http://mszzzi. zoomshare. com http://www.flickr. com/photos/ mszzzi/ ~~~~~(m-.-)m http://www.derbylite.org www.ChicagoVeganMan ia.com www.VeganOutreach. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ok, maybe i am an idiot but what is GMO soy? I am sorry if this seems like a dumb question. lol --- On Thu, 10/1/09, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: robin koloms <rkoloms Re: Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant Thursday, October 1, 2009, 6:04 AM If you buy Boca products, keep in mind that the non-organic items are made with GMO soy... ____________ _________ _________ __ Missie <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.com Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:37:31 PM Re: Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant One of the Morning Star Farms ones is vegan (maybe it's the Original vegi burger one? -also says vegan on it - I could swear it says " Original Grillers " or something similar and then under it " Vegan " . Could be another one though - they have so many different kinds - but we get them from time to time. Boca has one that is vegan, too. We get the cheaper of the 2 (varies with sales at different stores) if/when I get them. Missie On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM, vegetariankids <vegetariankids@ >wrote: > > > I'm vegan and didn't have any non-vegan cravings or experience that > famished, can't-eat-enough feeling. I didn't have many cravings at > all...thai tofu in my last trimester. I gained about 20 lbs., had an 8+ lb. > baby, and was wearing my pre-pregnancy jeans in about 2 weeks! That's a pro > for trying to remain vegan! > > Meateaters have told me that Morning Star Grillers taste like McD burgers. > Grillers aren't vegan but at least they're vegetarian. Maybe some of you > would find that they stop your cravings for burgers. > > > -- http://mszzzi. zoomshare. com http://www.flickr. com/photos/ mszzzi/ ~~~~~(m-.-)m http://www.derbylit e.org www.ChicagoVeganMan ia.com www.VeganOutreach. org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Im 20weeks pregnant.. i wasnt a complete vegetarian before i got pregnant but i was trying to become a vegan.... im ashamed to admit that since ive become pregnant i have been eating pretty much anything! Mostly junk food like chocolate... aaaargh.... I am seriously trying to cut down on the junk food tho and i do hope to become a vegan and raise my child as a vegan after he's born tho , robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > > If you buy Boca products, keep in mind that the non-organic items are made with GMO soy... > > > > > ________________________________ > Missie <mszzzi > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:37:31 PM > Re: Re: Dealing with non-vegan cravings while pregnant > > > One of the Morning Star Farms ones is vegan (maybe it's the Original vegi > burger one? -also says vegan on it - I could swear it says " Original > Grillers " or something similar and then under it " Vegan " . Could be another > one though - they have so many different kinds - but we get them from time > to time. Boca has one that is vegan, too. We get the cheaper of the 2 > (varies with sales at different stores) if/when I get them. > > Missie > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM, vegetariankids <vegetariankids@ >wrote: > > > > > > > I'm vegan and didn't have any non-vegan cravings or experience that > > famished, can't-eat-enough feeling. I didn't have many cravings at > > all...thai tofu in my last trimester. I gained about 20 lbs., had an 8+ lb. > > baby, and was wearing my pre-pregnancy jeans in about 2 weeks! That's a pro > > for trying to remain vegan! > > > > Meateaters have told me that Morning Star Grillers taste like McD burgers. > > Grillers aren't vegan but at least they're vegetarian. Maybe some of you > > would find that they stop your cravings for burgers. > > > > > > > > -- > http://mszzzi. zoomshare. com > http://www.flickr. com/photos/ mszzzi/ > > ~~~~~(m-.-)m > > http://www.derbylite.org > > www.ChicagoVeganMan ia.com > www.VeganOutreach. org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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