Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 Hi, > Isnt that the flavour of animal suffering?! You mean the flavour of barbeque pringles? In which case I'd say no, the flavour is a taste which, when created by pringles or by roasting a pig on a fire, happens to be caused by animal suffering. But when created by, say, the combination of a bunch of non-animal products, it is no longer the flavour of animal suffering but the flavour of a combination of a bunch of non-animal products. Which is to say that I see flavour is a kind of emergent property of a product, but not necessarily unique to that product. I'd have no problem eating something with the taste of barbeque pringles, just so long as it wasn't a barbeque pringle. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 In a message dated 7/13/03 2:06:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dave4sale writes: I agree. unless they start putting in fake bones / veins in the fake chicken i'm all for fake meats. What bothers me a lot more is all of the lacto-ovo vegetarian foods that I've gotten in the past, thinking they vegan, only to realize i overlooked casein, whey protein, or egg whites. why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy / egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an answer? simple... there is a glut on the market for egg and milk products...sooo..the dairy and related industries push em big time to get them incoporated into many different products... besides..since they are so ubiquitos(yeah, SIC), it is easier to go with wot you know, then to come up with new binders and stabilizers and the like cheers fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 i'm confused. is there something not vegan about bbq pringles? i haven't eaten those in years. oh yeah, i emailed amy's organic foods about why they put casein in their soy cheese pizza and they said that soy cheese just doesn't melt right without milk protein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2003 Report Share Posted July 14, 2003 Hi Dave > oh yeah, i emailed amy's organic foods about why they put casein in > their soy cheese pizza and they said that soy cheese just doesn't > melt right without milk protein. I'm still intrigued as to who they think eats soy cheese. Most non-vegans I know who can't eat "regular" dairy just go for goats of sheeps cheese. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.493 / Virus Database: 292 - Release 25/06/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 Pringles is one of the many companies owned by the evil Procter & Gamble. Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " dave " <dave4sale Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:21:20 -0000 i'm confused. is there something not vegan about bbq pringles? i haven't eaten those in years. oh yeah, i emailed amy's organic foods about why they put casein in their soy cheese pizza and they said that soy cheese just doesn't melt right without milk protein. _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 thats a great point, pete. i guess they think lactose intolerant people, or people avoiding saturated fat, but seeing as how amy's is a vegetarian company, you'd think they would realize some people have ethical objections to dairy products in general... in the email they just told me to get the roasted vegetable cheeseless pizza. , " Peter " <metalscarab@o...> wrote: > > I'm still intrigued as to who they think eats soy cheese. Most non- vegans I know who can't eat " regular " dairy just go for goats of sheeps cheese. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 hi valley vegan, i am visiting bargoed in august hopefully, and i am going to carry all my little bits of foodstuffs with me, or i will end up being given cheese (yuch) or god help me, egg.................. whats tescos in ystrad like for vegan foodstuffs??..........do they do any organic veg?? catherine >swpgh01 > > >Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs >Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:48:26 GMT+01:00 > > >Each to his own, I try and gently steer my family and friends away from these personally. They accept my lifestyle without compromise and for that I am lucky and thank them for their understanding ( also I am a stubborn bastard!). >The Valley Vegan.... > > Here here! It helps me and my husband and the two Vegans we know in WI. It also helps in that my family wouldn't even consider eating at our place without them. Invite them over for all rice, beans, veggies...yeah right! This way we get them to eat Vegan every now and then. Even if they'll never go Vege (which they won't, trust me) at least that's something. > > > >Take care, > >Tammy > > - > > Danielle Kichler > > > > Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:09 PM > > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > > > > I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people great > > alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-free, and > > it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go veg*an > > entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the analogues > > help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to bother me. > > > > Danielle > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > swpgh01 > > > > > > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:40:50 GMT+01:00 > > > > Who is talking about boycotting anything, I was only trying to start a new > > thread! My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal > > products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan > > - i would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every > > time i eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start > > with! > > The Valley Vegan.... > >Peter H > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > Have more fun with your mobile - add polyphonic ringtones, java games, celebrity voicemails and loads more! Click here to get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering. I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder? Take care, Tammy - swpgh01 Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:43 AM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs I still believe that we should move away from producing/consuming these "analogues" and try and encourage the manufacturers to use their imagination and not produce something that resembles a dead animal product or use a name that associates with the dead animal product...has anyone checked the nutritional value of these "analogues"?With a whole range of fruit/vegetables/grains/pulses/nuts etc I hope that the need for these animal alternative meals soon diminishes.Having not eaten any animal product for over 15 years I certainly do not remember, let alone miss the flavour of animal suffering..Peace , Love and Understanding to you all....The Valley Vegan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 You are lucky. I'm very stubborn as well but it's still a pain having to deal with closed-minded, unaccepting people....especially when they're your family. Take care, Tammy - swpgh01 Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:48 AM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Each to his own, I try and gently steer my family and friends away from these personally. They accept my lifestyle without compromise and for that I am lucky and thank them for their understanding ( also I am a stubborn bastard!).The Valley Vegan.... > Here here! It helps me and my husband and the two Vegans we know in WI. It also helps in that my family wouldn't even consider eating at our place without them. Invite them over for all rice, beans, veggies...yeah right! This way we get them to eat Vegan every now and then. Even if they'll never go Vege (which they won't, trust me) at least that's something.>>Take care,>Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 My thoughts exactly, Tammy. " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Tammy " <kittytooo Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:13:52 -0500 Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering. I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder? Take care, Tammy - swpgh01 Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:43 AM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs I still believe that we should move away from producing/consuming these " analogues " and try and encourage the manufacturers to use their imagination and not produce something that resembles a dead animal product or use a name that associates with the dead animal product...has anyone checked the nutritional value of these " analogues " ? With a whole range of fruit/vegetables/grains/pulses/nuts etc I hope that the need for these animal alternative meals soon diminishes.Having not eaten any animal product for over 15 years I certainly do not remember, let alone miss the flavour of animal suffering.. Peace , Love and Understanding to you all....The Valley Vegan.... _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Glad to know I made sense...I'm barely awake (work 2nd shift, stay up late). Take care, Tammy - Danielle Kichler Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:26 AM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs My thoughts exactly, Tammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 I still believe that we should move away from producing/consuming these " analogues " and try and encourage the manufacturers to use their imagination and not produce something that resembles a dead animal product or use a name that associates with the dead animal product...has anyone checked the nutritional value of these " analogues " ? With a whole range of fruit/vegetables/grains/pulses/nuts etc I hope that the need for these animal alternative meals soon diminishes.Having not eaten any animal product for over 15 years I certainly do not remember, let alone miss the flavour of animal suffering.. Peace , Love and Understanding to you all....The Valley Vegan.... I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people great alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-free, and it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go veg*an entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the analogues help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to bother me. Danielle My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan - i would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every time i eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start with! The Valley Vegan.... > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Each to his own, I try and gently steer my family and friends away from these personally. They accept my lifestyle without compromise and for that I am lucky and thank them for their understanding ( also I am a stubborn bastard!). The Valley Vegan.... > Here here! It helps me and my husband and the two Vegans we know in WI. It also helps in that my family wouldn't even consider eating at our place without them. Invite them over for all rice, beans, veggies...yeah right! This way we get them to eat Vegan every now and then. Even if they'll never go Vege (which they won't, trust me) at least that's something. > >Take care, >Tammy > - > Danielle Kichler > > Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:09 PM > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people great > alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-free, and > it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go veg*an > entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the analogues > help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to bother me. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > swpgh01 > > > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:40:50 GMT+01:00 > > Who is talking about boycotting anything, I was only trying to start a new > thread! My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal > products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan > - i would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every > time i eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start > with! > The Valley Vegan.... Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 In a message dated 7/24/03 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kittytooo writes: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. And, of course, you're criticism is a so much higher attitude. ok..play nice kids.. disagree all ya like.. just..try and be treat others as you want to be treated k? pwease? (this ain't a slam at Tammy..just respondin to her post...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Tammy, Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. I just hope that for you it gets easier. I stick by my original viewpoint ( and it is just my point of view), that we should be encouraging these analogue producers to use their imaginations a bit more and move away from animal named/flavoured products. To quote an old hippy.....does anyone remember laughter? The Valley Vegan. > Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. > >If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering. > >I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. > >Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder? > >Take care, >Tammy > > - > swpgh01 > > Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:43 AM > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > > I still believe that we should move away from producing/consuming these " analogues " and try and encourage the manufacturers to use their imagination and not produce something that resembles a dead animal product or use a name that associates with the dead animal product...has anyone checked the nutritional value of these " analogues " ? > With a whole range of fruit/vegetables/grains/pulses/nuts etc I hope that the need for these animal alternative meals soon diminishes.Having not eaten any animal product for over 15 years I certainly do not remember, let alone miss the flavour of animal suffering.. > Peace , Love and Understanding to you all....The Valley Vegan.... Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.And, of course, you're criticism is a so much higher attitude. Maybe if you weren't so controlling, trying to tell others what they should and shouldn't eat, judging them for eating it (especially when we're talking about something that causes no harm to animals), you wouldn't encourage that kind of response. I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. Of course you wouldn't remember how difficult it was to go from eating meat, dairy, eggs, etc to being Vegan, as you never did so. You went from meat-eater to Vegetarian, a much easier switch. Then from Vegetarian to Vegan, much easier again, once you're used to being Vegetarian. Also, when you went Vegetarian there were no meat analogues, so the only choices you had were meat or no meat. Had you had the meat analogues available when you first Vegetarian you would probably have been more open to and grateful for it. Again, you do what's right for you and others will do what's right for them, no need to criticize others, or try to take their choices away, because you don't want what they do. Can't you just be happy we're choosing a lifestyle (Veganism) that decreases harm to animals, the planet, etc. and leave it at that? It's bad enough Veges have to deal with criticism from meat eaters on what we do or don't eat. Do we really have to criticize each other as well? Take care, Tammy - swpgh01 Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:41 AM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Tammy,Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. I just hope that for you it gets easier.I stick by my original viewpoint ( and it is just my point of view), that we should be encouraging these analogue producers to use their imaginations a bit more and move away from animal named/flavoured products.To quote an old hippy.....does anyone remember laughter?The Valley Vegan.> Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. >>If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering.>>I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. >>Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder?>>Take care,>Tammy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 > ok..play nice kids..> disagree all ya like..> just..try and be treat others as you want to be treated I'll second Fraggle's comments! Not picking on anyone in particular, just pointing out that there's a bit of tension creeping into the discussion. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release 14/07/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Yeah, looks like he's making a bid for list police-person! Peter [metalscarab]Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > ok..play nice kids..> disagree all ya like..> just..try and be treat others as you want to be treated I'll second Fraggle's comments! Not picking on anyone in particular, just pointing out that there's a bit of tension creeping into the discussion. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release 14/07/03To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 I disagree, Valley Vegan. I quite enjoy a little sarcastic rejoinder. It's quite a handy tool sometimes, IMO, and in this case, was quite warranted. Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- swpgh01 Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:41:34 GMT+01:00 Tammy, Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. I just hope that for you it gets easier. I stick by my original viewpoint ( and it is just my point of view), that we should be encouraging these analogue producers to use their imaginations a bit more and move away from animal named/flavoured products. To quote an old hippy.....does anyone remember laughter? The Valley Vegan. > Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. > >If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering. > >I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. > >Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder? > >Take care, >Tammy > > - > swpgh01 > > Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:43 AM > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > > I still believe that we should move away from producing/consuming these " analogues " and try and encourage the manufacturers to use their imagination and not produce something that resembles a dead animal product or use a name that associates with the dead animal product...has anyone checked the nutritional value of these " analogues " ? > With a whole range of fruit/vegetables/grains/pulses/nuts etc I hope that the need for these animal alternative meals soon diminishes.Having not eaten any animal product for over 15 years I certainly do not remember, let alone miss the flavour of animal suffering.. > Peace , Love and Understanding to you all....The Valley Vegan.... Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 I play nice without a problem...till someone doesn't. What can I say? I'm a Scorpio. I get along just fine till someone tries to grab my tail. Then there's the whole Kitty thing... Kitties can be sweet and cuddly....till you rub them the wrong way, then watch out for the claws, especially if they're a tiger in disguise. mew mew ROAR! Take care, Tammy - EBbrewpunx Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 PM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs In a message dated 7/24/03 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kittytooo writes: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.And, of course, you're criticism is a so much higher attitude.ok..play nice kids..disagree all ya like..just..try and be treat others as you want to be treatedk?pwease?(this ain't a slam at Tammy..just respondin to her post...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Why thank you Danielle! Glad to know someone appreciates my warm and fuzzy nature. Take care, Tammy - Danielle Kichler Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:43 PM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs I disagree, Valley Vegan. I quite enjoy a little sarcastic rejoinder. It's quite a handy tool sometimes, IMO, and in this case, was quite warranted.Danielle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 I don`t know why you are taking this point of view ( once again I shall state that it is only a point of view) so personally. This is a discussion group and I was just trying to start a new thread and put my personal view forward not trying to control anyone. I think you may have got hold of the wrong end off the stick on this. Each to his own. LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE..... The Valley Vegan > Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. >And, of course, you're criticism is a so much higher attitude. > >Maybe if you weren't so controlling, trying to tell others what they should and shouldn't eat, judging them for eating it (especially when we're talking about something that causes no harm to animals), you wouldn't encourage that kind of response. > >I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. > >Of course you wouldn't remember how difficult it was to go from eating meat, dairy, eggs, etc to being Vegan, as you never did so. You went from meat-eater to Vegetarian, a much easier switch. Then from Vegetarian to Vegan, much easier again, once you're used to being Vegetarian. Also, when you went Vegetarian there were no meat analogues, so the only choices you had were meat or no meat. Had you had the meat analogues available when you first Vegetarian you would probably have been more open to and grateful for it. > >Again, you do what's right for you and others will do what's right for them, no need to criticize others, or try to take their choices away, because you don't want what they do. > >Can't you just be happy we're choosing a lifestyle (Veganism) that decreases harm to animals, the planet, etc. and leave it at that? > >It's bad enough Veges have to deal with criticism from meat eaters on what we do or don't eat. Do we really have to criticize each other as well? > >Take care, >Tammy > > - > swpgh01 > > Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:41 AM > Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > > Tammy, > Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. > I understand your point of view, as I said I have been vegan for 15 years and vegie for 5 before that so it may well be that I cannot remember how hard it was switching diet. I just hope that for you it gets easier. > I stick by my original viewpoint ( and it is just my point of view), that we should be encouraging these analogue producers to use their imaginations a bit more and move away from animal named/flavoured products. > To quote an old hippy.....does anyone remember laughter? > The Valley Vegan. > > Yeah. Let's not encourage meat eaters to go Vege by making it easier/more inviting to them. Let's be worried about the nutritional value of analogues.... As if it can compare to the bad nutrition from meat? Any health conscious person is going to use meat analogues more as a transition food, maybe having it as a treat after they transition over. > > > >If you don't want it, don't eat it. Don't campaign to take it away from those who do want it when it alleviates animal suffering. > > > >I know I would have had a much harder time without them and I doubt I would have been able to get my husband to give all meat up if it hadn't been for them. We don't eat as much of them now, and will probably eat less as time goes on. In the meantime it's nice to have such a good variety of choices in meals (with and without analogues). Not all of us has the time to sit home trying dozens of recipes in a short time while changing over. Nor can some of us stand to make eating into a chore rather than a pleasure. > > > >Some people just don't understand how difficult it can be switching from a typical American diet to a Vegan one in a short period of time. Finding all the bad stuff in the house and getting rid of it. Finding all new recipes, trying them out. Learning how to use things like tofu and egg substitutes. Learning what we need nutrition-wise. Finding all kinds of replacements/new items at the stores. Dealing with people resistant to your change. Why make it harder? > > > >Take care, > >Tammy > > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Must be something in water signs (I'm a Cancer). I'm nice until it's time not to be nice (i.e., someone irritates me). Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Tammy " <kittytooo Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:42:38 -0500 I play nice without a problem...till someone doesn't. What can I say? I'm a Scorpio. I get along just fine till someone tries to grab my tail. Then there's the whole Kitty thing... Kitties can be sweet and cuddly....till you rub them the wrong way, then watch out for the claws, especially if they're a tiger in disguise. mew mew ROAR! Take care, Tammy - EBbrewpunx Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:07 PM Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs In a message dated 7/24/03 11:08:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kittytooo writes: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. And, of course, you're criticism is a so much higher attitude. ok..play nice kids.. disagree all ya like.. just..try and be treat others as you want to be treated k? pwease? (this ain't a slam at Tammy..just respondin to her post...) _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Hi Viv > Yeah, looks like he's making a bid for list police-person! Suits me :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release 14/07/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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