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Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you written any songs combining the two genres?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>Re: I'd like to know a bit about you >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:27:17 +0100 > >Hi Surya > > > Since i've been posting here a bit and recoginzing the names, I would love to know a little bit about who i'm talking to. Age, > > where you live, anything you care to share. :) > >Considering the large number of relatively new folk, that's probably a good idea.. > >I'm Peter - owner, chief moderator of the list and commander-in-general of the universe :-) Also Jo's son (hence her sometimes using my e-mail address by mistake!) I'm 29, live in Southern England, I'm Pagan, like progressive metal and classical music, play guitar and sing, do a bit of amateur dramatics, etc., etc. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.

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I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical

and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms.

 

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> Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and

wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like

progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you

written any songs combining the two genres?

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> >Hi Surya

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> > > Since i've been posting here a bit and recoginzing the names, I would

love to know a little bit about who i'm talking to. Age,

> > > where you live, anything you care to share. :)

> >

> >Considering the large number of relatively new folk, that's probably a

good idea..

> >

> >I'm Peter - owner, chief moderator of the list and commander-in-general

of the universe :-) Also Jo's son (hence her sometimes using my e-mail

address by mistake!) I'm 29, live in Southern England, I'm Pagan, like

progressive metal and classical music, play guitar and sing, do a bit of

amateur dramatics, etc., etc.

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> Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry)

 

LOL - Colin's my dad / Jo's husband. He's not big on e-mail, so doesn't tend to get involved in groups like we do!

 

> Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you

> written any songs combining the two genres?

Actually, most progressive metal has a big classical influence anyway - the vast majority of musicians and writers in the genre have a thorough understanding of classical music, and have used lots of classical influences in their writing. The stuff I write is a whole mix of styles - I'd classify it as Progressive Metal (a la Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Savatage) with influences from Faure, Charpentier, Borodin and a variety of choral music, a chunk of good 'ole straight forward metal (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc), a smidgeon of the Flying Pickets and (so I am reliably informed) and undertone of Black Metal!!! :-)

 

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> I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical

> and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms.

> (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation)

 

Butt away :-)

 

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I expect Peter has already answered this. He is writing at present (I think it would be two albums worth so far) and it could be played as either progressive, choral, orchestral or black metal, depending on which instruments it was played on. Needless to say, I hear it as black metal.

 

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Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you written any songs combining the two genres?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I like heavy and classical (mainly choral, cello, guitar and piano). A lot

of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far more

intricate than other forms of music.

 

Jo

 

> I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical

> and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms.

 

 

 

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You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related.

P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Depends on how heavy, loud and fast the music is.

 

I like the real Metallica, before the black album. From the new song

they had on MTV, thought I would like it the way it started out. Then

ended up a bit disappointed. Am glad most of the members hair is back!

 

nikki :)

thinking she needs to go out and find a mosh pit

 

 

 

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> You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black,

death, power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how

classical and metal music are related.

 

P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other

day.---Calling them an icon.

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Hi Jo,

 

Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of

intricacy of form in the average Slayer track!

 

John

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:28 PM

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> John

>

> I like heavy and classical (mainly choral, cello, guitar and piano). A

lot

> of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far more

> intricate than other forms of music.

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> Jo

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classical

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Hi,

 

The main connnection with prog rock and classical is probably the more

complex musical forms they use. Your average pop (or indeed folk) song

probably uses three chords, is in verse chorus form, uses a single musical

theme without developing it, remains in the same key, and lasts a couple of

minutes. A Yes or Dream Theatre track, on the other hand, may last up to

twenty minutes, moves through different keys, develops its themes, etc.

 

That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track

doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or

Classical symphony.

 

John

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> You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death,

power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how classical and

metal music are related.

>

> P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other

day.---Calling them an icon.

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> >Hi John

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> > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of

classical

> > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms.

> > > (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation)

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> You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal?

They all sound different. Black and death (I think it's now called grindcore) are very heavy, black is more symphonic than death. Both usually have growling or screaming vocals - like creatures from horror stories, but the vocals can include normal singing, and goth type singing, sometimes choral singing, all mixed in. They also range from fairly to very progressive. Power and speed metal are - wait for it - hard and fast, with lots of guitar and fast drumming. Usually the vocals are high.

> And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related.

No doubt Peter will explain more about the classical and metal connection. I am not musical (other than loving to listen to it), but can only say that most other types of music do not seem as complicated and layered.

> P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon.

Metallica used to be one of my favourite bands until the Black album. I do not like their new material. I preferred them when they were rebels.

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Hi Amylia

 

> You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal?

 

Jo's probably already answered.... but here's my take on it...

 

Black metal: Very heavy, very atmospheric - often quite slow speed to get the drama. Very much like a musical version of a horror film.

Death metal: (so called because Death was the name of the 1st group to use the style): Very heavy, vocals are usually "growled". Often quite fast, but sometimes with slower bits. The "slower" version of Death is known generally as Grindcore!

Power metal: Very grand sound - imagine that bit from Verdi's Requiem, or something like Carmina Burana (the famous bit) - that sort of "grand" sound, but heavier. Also has a subsection called "Viking Metal" - imagine what I've just described with a Klingon attitude!

Speed metal: Very fast and furious - the sort of thing that puts your pulse up to 150!

 

> And explain to me

> more about how classical and metal music are related.

 

In some way all music is related. Metal and classical are often closer connected because the people who play metal tend to have a respect for classical music, and have a strong classical influence. For me music is all about emotion, and metal and classical seem to get the same "power" in evoking emotions - something that (for me at least) pop music seems to completely miss.

 

> P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon.

I like their first five albums. After that they went "commercial" - basically changed their style completely and gave up all of their quality musicianship to try to become more popular. Metallica are possibly the only group who have two completely different sets of fans - those of us who like their first 5 albums, and those who like their more recent material!! Not many like both.

 

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> Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of

> intricacy of form in the average Slayer track!

 

I can tell you don't play an instrument!

 

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> That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track

> doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or

> Classical symphony.

 

I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a musician!

 

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I agree - the basic metal is fairly straight forward - I was thinking of

other bands though. However, I do still like listening to Slayer,

Testament, Iron Maiden and other oldies (well not as old as me!).

 

Jo

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> Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of

> intricacy of form in the average Slayer track!

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> lot

> > of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far

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> > intricate than other forms of music.

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> > Jo

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Hi Peter,

 

> I can tell you don't play an instrument!

 

Um, well, actually, at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, so to speak, I'm

a classically-trained musican (degree, diplomas, blah blah blah), and

perform semi-professionally. And note that I didn't comment on Slayers'

technique or expertise, or on how difficult the music is to play, but on the

forms they use in their tracks. Which - and correct me if I'm wrong - aren't

that intricate.

 

John

 

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> > Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of

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> I can tell you don't play an instrument!

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Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has its

merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I rather

doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such a

claim.

 

John

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>

> > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track

> > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or

> > Classical symphony.

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> Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

> musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has

its

> merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I

rather

> doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such

a

> claim.

 

You have found one... me. But, look at just some prog rock musicians:

 

James LaBrie: Trained Opera singer

Damian Wilson: Trained Opera singer (4 years doing the lead in Les

Miserables amongst other things)

John Petrucci: 1st from Berkely

John Myung: 1st from Berkely

Kevin Moore: 1st from Berkely

Mike Portnoy: 1st from Berkely

Damond Jineva: A vocal range of over 5 octaves (that's 3 more than your

average opera singer)

 

And those are just the ones I know about!

 

Now, how about listening to Metropolis Part I by Dream Theater, and if you

can find a single Classical musician who could play the instumental

mid-section I will be highly surprised. Find a classical pianist with the

flair and basic ability of Jordan Rudess or Derek Sherinian and I'll be

equally shocked.

 

I play both classical guitar and prog metal - and I do a lot of singing in

both genres, and I have yet to find a classical piece which compares in

complexity with the vast majority of prog rock (although sometimes

simplicity can be highly effective, and is also used in prog metal to good

effect).

 

Perhaps you could suggest a piece of classical music which compares in

complexity to things such as Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Rhapsody, Empty

Tremor, Opeth.

 

On a slight aside, I have noticed amongst my classical-music associates that

there does tend to be a certain close-minded " arrogance " amongst those who

like classical music, and more often than not they have never even heard any

prog metal at all. I think my favourite response when asked " how can you

like that music " was " I tried listening to it *before* judging it " .

 

Anyway, went a bit away from what we were talking about but... to answer

your point - I'd be very surprised if you found a prog metal musician who

doesn't think that prog metal is more challenging and complex than

classical - because if they didn't think it was, they'd be playing classical

music and earning more money doing so!

 

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> Um, well, actually, at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, so to speak,

I'm

> a classically-trained musican (degree, diplomas, blah blah blah), and

> perform semi-professionally.

 

Aha - a classical music buff. That explains your attitude toward non

classical music.

 

> And note that I didn't comment on Slayers'

> technique or expertise, or on how difficult the music is to play, but on

the

> forms they use in their tracks. Which - and correct me if I'm wrong -

aren't

> that intricate.

 

Not sure what you mean by " forms " - presumably you mean things like Handel

(you remember him - the guy who wrote one piece of music and then re-hashed

it every time he was commissioned to write something new.) If you mean do

they have an in depth understanding of music theory, the answer is " probably

not " - but since half

the music written by sticking to the rules of theory is pretty dull and

stagnant, so what? Now, if you want to talk theory and " forms " and so on,

then look no further than Dream Theater, who probably have a better

understanding of these things than most classical musicians.

 

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Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more

instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might

just sound more complicated.

 

Jo

 

> Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

> musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has

its

> merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I

rather

> doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such

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What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and

instruments, does it move you?

 

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Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more

instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might

just sound more complicated.

 

Jo

 

> Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

> musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has

its

> merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I

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> doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such

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> What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and

> instruments, does it move you?

 

I agree completely :-)

 

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Very true. When I described metal (and classical) as more complicated than

most other types of music I was not denigrating other music just trying to

describe what, to me, links the two kinds. Unfortunately someone then took

the link I had made to make a comparison.

 

I love the metal I listen to with a passion - it is passionate music, and

for me, nothing else comes close. The classical music I like is good, but I

would dump it in a second if asked to make a choice between the two.

 

Jo

 

 

> What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and

> instruments, does it move you?

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> Danielle

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> Re: Peter, the moderator

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> Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more

> instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might

> just sound more complicated.

>

> Jo

>

> > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

> > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has

> its

> > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I

> rather

> > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make

such

> a

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> > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock

> track

> > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto

> or

> > > > Classical symphony.

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> > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a

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On a whim, I am prepared to do you all a favour. Being as the talk is of

music, I will send anyone on this group who respond privately within a week,

with a sampler of Riot/Clone.

 

We are a completely vegan band, and play punk. Don't be scared. Unless you

offer to make a donation it'll be free.

 

Let me know

 

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Re: Peter, the moderator

 

Hi Danielle

 

> What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and

> instruments, does it move you?

 

I agree completely :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Jo,

 

Rather than number of instruments, you could try considering the number of

distinct lines playing at once. An average prog track may have up to ten or

so, though usually no more than five or six. An average symphony will

probably have at least fifteen or twenty. Now this is not 'proof' of

complexity on its own, but is certainly one factor.

 

John

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Friday, May 16, 2003 6:49 PM

Re: Peter, the moderator

 

 

> Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more

> instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might

> just sound more complicated.

>

> Jo

>

> > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as

> > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has

> its

> > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I

> rather

> > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make

such

> a

> > claim.

> >

> > John

> > -

> > " Peter " <Snowbow

> >

> > Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM

> > Re: Peter, the moderator

> >

> >

> > > Hi John

> > >

> > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock

track

> > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto

or

> > > > Classical symphony.

> > >

> > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a

> > musician!

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Peter

> > >

> > >

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