Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you written any songs combining the two genres? *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Peter" > > >Re: I'd like to know a bit about you >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:27:17 +0100 > >Hi Surya > > > Since i've been posting here a bit and recoginzing the names, I would love to know a little bit about who i'm talking to. Age, > > where you live, anything you care to share. > >Considering the large number of relatively new folk, that's probably a good idea.. > >I'm Peter - owner, chief moderator of the list and commander-in-general of the universe :-) Also Jo's son (hence her sometimes using my e-mail address by mistake!) I'm 29, live in Southern England, I'm Pagan, like progressive metal and classical music, play guitar and sing, do a bit of amateur dramatics, etc., etc. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. John (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation) - " Amylia F " <amylia_21 Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:38 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you written any songs combining the two genres? > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > " Peter " > > > >To: > >Re: I'd like to know a bit about you > >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:27:17 +0100 > > > >Hi Surya > > > > > Since i've been posting here a bit and recoginzing the names, I would love to know a little bit about who i'm talking to. Age, > > > where you live, anything you care to share. > > > >Considering the large number of relatively new folk, that's probably a good idea.. > > > >I'm Peter - owner, chief moderator of the list and commander-in-general of the universe :-) Also Jo's son (hence her sometimes using my e-mail address by mistake!) I'm 29, live in Southern England, I'm Pagan, like progressive metal and classical music, play guitar and sing, do a bit of amateur dramatics, etc., etc. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > -------- ------ > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Amylia > Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) LOL - Colin's my dad / Jo's husband. He's not big on e-mail, so doesn't tend to get involved in groups like we do! > Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you > written any songs combining the two genres? Actually, most progressive metal has a big classical influence anyway - the vast majority of musicians and writers in the genre have a thorough understanding of classical music, and have used lots of classical influences in their writing. The stuff I write is a whole mix of styles - I'd classify it as Progressive Metal (a la Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Savatage) with influences from Faure, Charpentier, Borodin and a variety of choral music, a chunk of good 'ole straight forward metal (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc), a smidgeon of the Flying Pickets and (so I am reliably informed) and undertone of Black Metal!!! :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi John > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation) Butt away :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Amylia I expect Peter has already answered this. He is writing at present (I think it would be two albums worth so far) and it could be played as either progressive, choral, orchestral or black metal, depending on which instruments it was played on. Needless to say, I hear it as black metal. Jo - Amylia F Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:38 PM Re: Peter, the moderator Oh Peter! All this time, I thought you and Jo were husband and wife!!! ---(Sorry) Thanks for clearing everything up. And you like progressive metal and classical music? Interesting combination. Have you written any songs combining the two genres? *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Peter" > > >Re: I'd like to know a bit about you >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:27:17 +0100 > >Hi Surya > > > Since i've been posting here a bit and recoginzing the names, I would love to know a little bit about who i'm talking to. Age, > > where you live, anything you care to share. > >Considering the large number of relatively new folk, that's probably a good idea.. > >I'm Peter - owner, chief moderator of the list and commander-in-general of the universe :-) Also Jo's son (hence her sometimes using my e-mail address by mistake!) I'm 29, live in Southern England, I'm Pagan, like progressive metal and classical music, play guitar and sing, do a bit of amateur dramatics, etc., etc. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 John I like heavy and classical (mainly choral, cello, guitar and piano). A lot of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far more intricate than other forms of music. Jo > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related. P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Peter" > > >Re: Peter, the moderator >Wed, 14 May 2003 18:20:45 +0100 > >Hi John > > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > > (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation) > >Butt away :-) > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Amy, Depends on how heavy, loud and fast the music is. I like the real Metallica, before the black album. From the new song they had on MTV, thought I would like it the way it started out. Then ended up a bit disappointed. Am glad most of the members hair is back! nikki thinking she needs to go out and find a mosh pit , " Amylia F " <amylia_21@h...> wrote: > You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related. P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Hi Jo, Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of intricacy of form in the average Slayer track! John - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:28 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > John > > I like heavy and classical (mainly choral, cello, guitar and piano). A lot > of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far more > intricate than other forms of music. > > Jo > > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Hi, The main connnection with prog rock and classical is probably the more complex musical forms they use. Your average pop (or indeed folk) song probably uses three chords, is in verse chorus form, uses a single musical theme without developing it, remains in the same key, and lasts a couple of minutes. A Yes or Dream Theatre track, on the other hand, may last up to twenty minutes, moves through different keys, develops its themes, etc. That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or Classical symphony. John - " Amylia F " <amylia_21 Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:17 AM Re: Peter, the moderator > You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related. > > P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon. > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > " Peter " > > > >To: > >Re: Peter, the moderator > >Wed, 14 May 2003 18:20:45 +0100 > > > >Hi John > > > > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > > > (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation) > > > >Butt away :-) > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > -------- ------ > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 > You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? They all sound different. Black and death (I think it's now called grindcore) are very heavy, black is more symphonic than death. Both usually have growling or screaming vocals - like creatures from horror stories, but the vocals can include normal singing, and goth type singing, sometimes choral singing, all mixed in. They also range from fairly to very progressive. Power and speed metal are - wait for it - hard and fast, with lots of guitar and fast drumming. Usually the vocals are high. > And explain to me more about how classical and metal music are related. No doubt Peter will explain more about the classical and metal connection. I am not musical (other than loving to listen to it), but can only say that most other types of music do not seem as complicated and layered. > P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon. Metallica used to be one of my favourite bands until the Black album. I do not like their new material. I preferred them when they were rebels. Jo *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Peter" > > >Re: Peter, the moderator >Wed, 14 May 2003 18:20:45 +0100 > >Hi John > > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of classical > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > > (butting in rudely into someone else's conversation) > >Butt away :-) > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Hi Amylia > You guys crack me up!---But now what's this difference of black, death, power, and speed metal? Jo's probably already answered.... but here's my take on it... Black metal: Very heavy, very atmospheric - often quite slow speed to get the drama. Very much like a musical version of a horror film. Death metal: (so called because Death was the name of the 1st group to use the style): Very heavy, vocals are usually "growled". Often quite fast, but sometimes with slower bits. The "slower" version of Death is known generally as Grindcore! Power metal: Very grand sound - imagine that bit from Verdi's Requiem, or something like Carmina Burana (the famous bit) - that sort of "grand" sound, but heavier. Also has a subsection called "Viking Metal" - imagine what I've just described with a Klingon attitude! Speed metal: Very fast and furious - the sort of thing that puts your pulse up to 150! > And explain to me > more about how classical and metal music are related. In some way all music is related. Metal and classical are often closer connected because the people who play metal tend to have a respect for classical music, and have a strong classical influence. For me music is all about emotion, and metal and classical seem to get the same "power" in evoking emotions - something that (for me at least) pop music seems to completely miss. > P.S. Do you like Metallica? Mtv had this special on them the other day.---Calling them an icon. I like their first five albums. After that they went "commercial" - basically changed their style completely and gave up all of their quality musicianship to try to become more popular. Metallica are possibly the only group who have two completely different sets of fans - those of us who like their first 5 albums, and those who like their more recent material!! Not many like both. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Hi John > Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of > intricacy of form in the average Slayer track! I can tell you don't play an instrument! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 Hi John > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or > Classical symphony. I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a musician! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2003 I agree - the basic metal is fairly straight forward - I was thinking of other bands though. However, I do still like listening to Slayer, Testament, Iron Maiden and other oldies (well not as old as me!). Jo - " John Davis " <mcxg46 Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:25 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > Hi Jo, > > Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of > intricacy of form in the average Slayer track! > > John > - > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:28 PM > Re: Peter, the moderator > > > > John > > > > I like heavy and classical (mainly choral, cello, guitar and piano). A > lot > > of heavy metal fans like classical music. I think they are both far more > > intricate than other forms of music. > > > > Jo > > > > > I once had progressive rock/metal described to me as a fusion of > classical > > > and rock. Certainly it borrows from classical ideas and forms. > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2003 Hi Peter, > I can tell you don't play an instrument! Um, well, actually, at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, so to speak, I'm a classically-trained musican (degree, diplomas, blah blah blah), and perform semi-professionally. And note that I didn't comment on Slayers' technique or expertise, or on how difficult the music is to play, but on the forms they use in their tracks. Which - and correct me if I'm wrong - aren't that intricate. John - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:10 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > Hi John > > > Well, at its best, yes. Though there proabably isn't much in the way of > > intricacy of form in the average Slayer track! > > I can tell you don't play an instrument! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2003 Hi Peter, Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has its merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I rather doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such a claim. John - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > Hi John > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or > > Classical symphony. > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a musician! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2003 Hi John > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has its > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I rather > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such a > claim. You have found one... me. But, look at just some prog rock musicians: James LaBrie: Trained Opera singer Damian Wilson: Trained Opera singer (4 years doing the lead in Les Miserables amongst other things) John Petrucci: 1st from Berkely John Myung: 1st from Berkely Kevin Moore: 1st from Berkely Mike Portnoy: 1st from Berkely Damond Jineva: A vocal range of over 5 octaves (that's 3 more than your average opera singer) And those are just the ones I know about! Now, how about listening to Metropolis Part I by Dream Theater, and if you can find a single Classical musician who could play the instumental mid-section I will be highly surprised. Find a classical pianist with the flair and basic ability of Jordan Rudess or Derek Sherinian and I'll be equally shocked. I play both classical guitar and prog metal - and I do a lot of singing in both genres, and I have yet to find a classical piece which compares in complexity with the vast majority of prog rock (although sometimes simplicity can be highly effective, and is also used in prog metal to good effect). Perhaps you could suggest a piece of classical music which compares in complexity to things such as Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Rhapsody, Empty Tremor, Opeth. On a slight aside, I have noticed amongst my classical-music associates that there does tend to be a certain close-minded " arrogance " amongst those who like classical music, and more often than not they have never even heard any prog metal at all. I think my favourite response when asked " how can you like that music " was " I tried listening to it *before* judging it " . Anyway, went a bit away from what we were talking about but... to answer your point - I'd be very surprised if you found a prog metal musician who doesn't think that prog metal is more challenging and complex than classical - because if they didn't think it was, they'd be playing classical music and earning more money doing so! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2003 Hi John > Um, well, actually, at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, so to speak, I'm > a classically-trained musican (degree, diplomas, blah blah blah), and > perform semi-professionally. Aha - a classical music buff. That explains your attitude toward non classical music. > And note that I didn't comment on Slayers' > technique or expertise, or on how difficult the music is to play, but on the > forms they use in their tracks. Which - and correct me if I'm wrong - aren't > that intricate. Not sure what you mean by " forms " - presumably you mean things like Handel (you remember him - the guy who wrote one piece of music and then re-hashed it every time he was commissioned to write something new.) If you mean do they have an in depth understanding of music theory, the answer is " probably not " - but since half the music written by sticking to the rules of theory is pretty dull and stagnant, so what? Now, if you want to talk theory and " forms " and so on, then look no further than Dream Theater, who probably have a better understanding of these things than most classical musicians. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 16, 2003 Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might just sound more complicated. Jo > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has its > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I rather > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such a > claim. > > John > - > " Peter " <Snowbow > > Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM > Re: Peter, the moderator > > > > Hi John > > > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or > > > Classical symphony. > > > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a > musician! > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2003 What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and instruments, does it move you? Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Peter, the moderator Fri, 16 May 2003 18:49:46 +0100 Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might just sound more complicated. Jo > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has its > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I rather > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such a > claim. > > John > - > " Peter " <Snowbow > > Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM > Re: Peter, the moderator > > > > Hi John > > > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or > > > Classical symphony. > > > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a > musician! > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2003 Hi Danielle > What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and > instruments, does it move you? I agree completely :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2003 Very true. When I described metal (and classical) as more complicated than most other types of music I was not denigrating other music just trying to describe what, to me, links the two kinds. Unfortunately someone then took the link I had made to make a comparison. I love the metal I listen to with a passion - it is passionate music, and for me, nothing else comes close. The classical music I like is good, but I would dump it in a second if asked to make a choice between the two. Jo > What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and > instruments, does it move you? > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > Re: Peter, the moderator > Fri, 16 May 2003 18:49:46 +0100 > > Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more > instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might > just sound more complicated. > > Jo > > > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as > > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has > its > > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I > rather > > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such > a > > claim. > > > > John > > - > > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > > Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM > > Re: Peter, the moderator > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock > track > > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto > or > > > > Classical symphony. > > > > > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a > > musician! > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2003 On a whim, I am prepared to do you all a favour. Being as the talk is of music, I will send anyone on this group who respond privately within a week, with a sampler of Riot/Clone. We are a completely vegan band, and play punk. Don't be scared. Unless you offer to make a donation it'll be free. Let me know Dave ---- 17 May 2003 16:24:14 Re: Peter, the moderator Hi Danielle > What matters is: do you like the way it sounds, the blending of voice and > instruments, does it move you? I agree completely :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2003 Hi Jo, Rather than number of instruments, you could try considering the number of distinct lines playing at once. An average prog track may have up to ten or so, though usually no more than five or six. An average symphony will probably have at least fifteen or twenty. Now this is not 'proof' of complexity on its own, but is certainly one factor. John - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Friday, May 16, 2003 6:49 PM Re: Peter, the moderator > Colin (my husband) pointed out that symphonies are played by a lot more > instruments (i.e. 30 ish) than prog metal (4 or 5 per band) - so it might > just sound more complicated. > > Jo > > > Are you seriously saying that you believe any prog rock track to be as > > musically complex as a classical symphony? Because whilst prog rock has > its > > merits, and undoubtedly more complex than most contemporary genres, I > rather > > doubt you'd find a single prog musician who'd seriously try and make such > a > > claim. > > > > John > > - > > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > > Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:11 PM > > Re: Peter, the moderator > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > > > > That said, though, in my opinion even the most complex prog rock track > > > > doesn't come close in complexity to even a simple Baroque concerto or > > > > Classical symphony. > > > > > > I repeat what I said a few moments ago.... you obviously aren't a > > musician! > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
