Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

[Guest guest]

Neal,

I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

just looked after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

http://www.shc.usp.ac.jp/kuroda/medicinalplants.html

http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2007/05/06/jun05.asp

Em

rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> I don't know if this will jog any one else's memory but I do recall

chimps eat

> a particular kind of leaf which is not their normal diet in order to

treat an

> ailment. I don't remember if it just treats one symptom or several

but I do

> remember it being highly efficacious. Memory is fuzzy so I don't

remember

> more. Any one do better?

>

> neal.

>

[Guest guest]

and dont dogs do that too? maybe cats? eat a certain grass that makes them

throw up sometimes when one presumes they are ill? ive seen this many

times...

 

anna

 

 

On 6/28/07, emusedmary <emusedmary wrote:

>

> Neal,

> I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

> I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

> just looked after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

> http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

> http://www.shc.usp.ac.jp/kuroda/medicinalplants.html

> http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2007/05/06/jun05.asp

> Em

> rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> >

> > I don't know if this will jog any one else's memory but I do recall

> chimps eat

> > a particular kind of leaf which is not their normal diet in order to

> treat an

> > ailment. I don't remember if it just treats one symptom or several

> but I do

> > remember it being highly efficacious. Memory is fuzzy so I don't

> remember

> > more. Any one do better?

> >

> > neal.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this will jog any one else's memory but I do recall chimps eat

a particular kind of leaf which is not their normal diet in order to treat an

ailment. I don't remember if it just treats one symptom or several but I do

remember it being highly efficacious. Memory is fuzzy so I don't remember

more. Any one do better?

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

On Thursday 28 June 2007 23:29, emusedmary wrote:

> Neal,

> I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

> I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

> just looked after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

 

> http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

> Em

 

that was it, thanks Em. I had in the back of my mind that it wasn't the

leaves, but the impression was chewing stem. This clears it up and I remember

too the local people also using the plant.

 

many thanks.

 

and on that page I noticed this below to add to the doggie bag. LOL

 

" ...the animals were using the leaves as a mechanical scour, to clear worms

and other parasites from their digestive tracts by what he dubbed the " velcro

effect " . And there is now evidence that leaf swallowing serves this purpose

not only in all of the African great apes, but also in species as diverse as

civets, dogs, bears and geese. "

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend the book

 

Wild Health: Lessons in Natural Wellness

from the Animal Kingdom by Cindy Engel

 

http://snipr.com/1ndie

 

which covers this and many other very interesting

cases of animal and insect self-medication.

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> On Thursday 28 June 2007 23:29, emusedmary wrote:

> > Neal,

> > I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

> > I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

> > just looked after I read your post because it was driving me

crazy too

>

> > http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

> > Em

>

> that was it, thanks Em. I had in the back of my mind that it wasn't

the

> leaves, but the impression was chewing stem. This clears it up and

I remember

> too the local people also using the plant.

>

> many thanks.

>

> and on that page I noticed this below to add to the doggie bag. LOL

>

> " ...the animals were using the leaves as a mechanical scour, to

clear worms

> and other parasites from their digestive tracts by what he dubbed

the " velcro

> effect " . And there is now evidence that leaf swallowing serves this

purpose

> not only in all of the African great apes, but also in species as

diverse as

> civets, dogs, bears and geese. "

>

> neal.

>

[Guest guest]

ooh and let's not forget catnip :-)

Em---

 

 

In rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> and dont dogs do that too? maybe cats? eat a certain grass that

makes them

> throw up sometimes when one presumes they are ill? ive seen this many

> times...

>

> anna

>

>

> On 6/28/07, emusedmary <emusedmary wrote:

> >

> > Neal,

> > I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

> > I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

> > just looked after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

> > http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

[Guest guest]

Neal,

I'm glad you brought it up.

It was interesting..

ha Chimp chewing gum?

But anyhow that is what they do in the wild and I don't think they are

thinking of any scientific studies to back up their behaviors

:-)

Em

rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> On Thursday 28 June 2007 23:29, emusedmary wrote:

> > Neal,

> > I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News

> > I'd like to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I

> > just looked after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

>

> > http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

> > Em

>

> that was it, thanks Em. I had in the back of my mind that it wasn't the

> leaves, but the impression was chewing stem. This clears it up and I

remember

> too the local people also using the plant.

>

> many thanks.

>

> and on that page I noticed this below to add to the doggie bag. LOL

>

> " ...the animals were using the leaves as a mechanical scour, to

clear worms

> and other parasites from their digestive tracts by what he dubbed

the " velcro

> effect " . And there is now evidence that leaf swallowing serves this

purpose

> not only in all of the African great apes, but also in species as

diverse as

> civets, dogs, bears and geese. "

>

> neal.

>

[Guest guest]

On Friday 29 June 2007 12:21, emusedmary wrote:

> Neal,

> I'm glad you brought it up.

> It was interesting..

> ha Chimp chewing gum?

> But anyhow that is what they do in the wild and I don't think they are

> thinking of any scientific studies to back up their behaviors

>

> :-)Em

 

No studies?

 

doesn't matter. I look to the whole of Nature for guidance, not just selected

parts of it, as much as I am able to and within present understanding. I only

see science in the main (mainstream) confusing matters with studies that

ultimately try to prove some theory or other with a vested interest.

 

My theory - nature is wise

and part b. - nature provides.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Neal!

I meant the chimps aren't thinking of any scientific studies

:-)

like ya know while theyare knibbling onthose leaves they are not

thinking about how the latest studies have reveled that maybe they

should eat that leaf over there instead..

 

So good!-

 

..... ya know like..that song

 

......

In man's evolution he has created the cities and

The motor traffic rumble, but give me half a chance

And I'd be taking off my clothes and living in the jungle

'cos the only time that I feel at ease

Is swinging up and down in a coconut tree

Oh what a life of luxury to be like an ape man

I'm an ape, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

I'm an ape man

I look out my window, but I can't see the sky

'cos the air pollution is fogging up my eyes

I want to get out of this city alive

And make like an ape man

Come and love me, be my ape man girl

And we will be so happy in my ape man world

I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

I'm an ape man

I'll be your tarzan, you'll be my jane

I'll keep you warm and you'll keep me sane

And we'll sit in the trees and eat bananas all day

Just like an ape man

I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

I'm an ape man.

I don't feel safe in this world no more

I don't want to die in a nuclear war

I want to sail away to a distant shore

And make like an ape man.

not

 

ooh ooooh pass me a banana

Em

 

rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> On Friday 29 June 2007 12:21, emusedmary wrote:

> > Neal,

> > I'm glad you brought it up.

> > It was interesting..

> > ha Chimp chewing gum?

> > But anyhow that is what they do in the wild and I don't think they are

> > thinking of any scientific studies to back up their behaviors

> >

> > :-)Em

>

> No studies?

>

> doesn't matter. I look to the whole of Nature for guidance, not just

selected

> parts of it, as much as I am able to and within present

understanding. I only

> see science in the main (mainstream) confusing matters with studies

that

> ultimately try to prove some theory or other with a vested interest.

>

> My theory - nature is wise

> and part b. - nature provides.

>

>

> neal.

>

[Guest guest]

On Friday 29 June 2007 15:36, emusedmary wrote:

> Neal!

> I meant the chimps aren't thinking of any scientific studies

>

> :-)

 

doh! ROTFLOL

 

> like ya know while theyare knibbling onthose leaves they are not

>

> thinking about how the latest studies have reveled that maybe they

> should eat that leaf over there instead..

>

> So good!-

>

> .... ya know like..that song

 

I do, it dragged a few cobwebs with it, but I remember it, even the tune.

yeh!

bliss.

 

neal.

 

the hard bit is to live like an ape-man without the 'monkey mind'. LOL

 

>

> .....

> In man's evolution he has created the cities and

> The motor traffic rumble, but give me half a chance

> And I'd be taking off my clothes and living in the jungle

> 'cos the only time that I feel at ease

> Is swinging up and down in a coconut tree

> Oh what a life of luxury to be like an ape man

> I'm an ape, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

> I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

> I'm an ape man

> I look out my window, but I can't see the sky

> 'cos the air pollution is fogging up my eyes

> I want to get out of this city alive

> And make like an ape man

> Come and love me, be my ape man girl

> And we will be so happy in my ape man world

> I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

> I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

> I'm an ape man

> I'll be your tarzan, you'll be my jane

> I'll keep you warm and you'll keep me sane

> And we'll sit in the trees and eat bananas all day

> Just like an ape man

> I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man

> I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man

> I'm an ape man.

> I don't feel safe in this world no more

> I don't want to die in a nuclear war

> I want to sail away to a distant shore

> And make like an ape man.

> not

>

> ooh ooooh pass me a banana

> Em

[Guest guest]

Keep in mind that these observations are generally coming from a

population of dogs and cats that have been fed poorly, and are

generally malnourished, despite lack of overt symptoms. This is an

example of why studies can be misleading. Since studies are rarely

performed using healthy subjects, we get scientific study results

coming from populations that are far from it. Doctors will report

patients as " healthy " simply because they do not exhibit overt

symptoms. For instance, a patient reporting fatigue, depression, and

even headaches, most probably will be ascertained as physically

" healthy " . And of course, they will send the patient to the

pharmacist to load up on drugs.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

 

and dont dogs do that too? maybe cats? eat a certain grass that

makes them throw up sometimes when one presumes they are ill? ive

seen this many times...

 

anna On 6/28/07, emusedmary <emusedmary wrote:

 

Neal, I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News I'd like

to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I just looked

after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

http://www.shc.usp.ac.jp/kuroda/medicinalplants.html

http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2007/05/06/jun05.asp Em

rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe@> wrote:

 

I don't know if this will jog any one else's memory but I do recall

chimps eat a particular kind of leaf which is not their normal diet in

order to treat an ailment. I don't remember if it just treats one

symptom or several but I do remember it being highly efficacious.

Memory is fuzzy so I don't remember more. Any one do better?

 

neal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Groups Links

-- Anna " A fool can not understand wisdom even if he associates with a

sage. " - Buddha " Do not throw pearls to swine, lest they trample over

them and attack you. "

[Guest guest]

Yes ... and it's worse, far worse, than what you describe here, Janet.

 

Example: Doctors ROUTINELY tell patients that if they are moving their

bowels once or twice a week, they are doing fine, a picture of health.

Yikes!!! Talk about being disconnected ... TOTALLY disconnected ... from

reality.

 

So that's one of an almost unlimited number of examples to which we could

refer, where they are saying the " evidence " means one thing, yet we know

quite well that their interpretation has, well ... gone to the dogs!

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Friday, June 29, 2007 12:54 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

 

 

Keep in mind that these observations are generally coming from a

population of dogs and cats that have been fed poorly, and are

generally malnourished, despite lack of overt symptoms. This is an

example of why studies can be misleading. Since studies are rarely

performed using healthy subjects, we get scientific study results

coming from populations that are far from it. Doctors will report

patients as " healthy " simply because they do not exhibit overt

symptoms. For instance, a patient reporting fatigue, depression, and

even headaches, most probably will be ascertained as physically

" healthy " . And of course, they will send the patient to the

pharmacist to load up on drugs.

 

Janet

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

has. But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

many years.

 

At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was what

I was taught.

 

Belinda

 

 

> Yes ... and it's worse, far worse, than what you describe here,

Janet.

>

> Example: Doctors ROUTINELY tell patients that if they are moving

their

> bowels once or twice a week, they are doing fine, a picture of

health.

> Yikes!!! Talk about being disconnected ... TOTALLY disconnected ...

from

> reality.

>

> So that's one of an almost unlimited number of examples to which we

could

> refer, where they are saying the " evidence " means one thing, yet we

know

> quite well that their interpretation has, well ... gone to the

dogs!

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Janet FitzGerald

> Friday, June 29, 2007 12:54 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

>

>

> Keep in mind that these observations are generally coming from a

> population of dogs and cats that have been fed poorly, and are

> generally malnourished, despite lack of overt symptoms. This is an

> example of why studies can be misleading. Since studies are rarely

> performed using healthy subjects, we get scientific study results

> coming from populations that are far from it. Doctors will report

> patients as " healthy " simply because they do not exhibit overt

> symptoms. For instance, a patient reporting fatigue, depression, and

> even headaches, most probably will be ascertained as physically

> " healthy " . And of course, they will send the patient to the

> pharmacist to load up on drugs.

>

> Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I'm so glad to see that you cam back to the raw foods group!!! I'm

glad you're here!!!

Lynne

>

> Keep in mind that these observations are generally coming from a

> population of dogs and cats that have been fed poorly, and are

> generally malnourished, despite lack of overt symptoms. This is an

> example of why studies can be misleading. Since studies are rarely

> performed using healthy subjects, we get scientific study results

> coming from populations that are far from it. Doctors will report

> patients as " healthy " simply because they do not exhibit overt

> symptoms. For instance, a patient reporting fatigue, depression, and

> even headaches, most probably will be ascertained as physically

> " healthy " . And of course, they will send the patient to the

> pharmacist to load up on drugs.

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>,

> " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> and dont dogs do that too? maybe cats? eat a certain grass that

> makes them throw up sometimes when one presumes they are ill? ive

> seen this many times...

>

> anna On 6/28/07, emusedmary <emusedmary wrote:

>

> Neal, I remeber reading about that in my son't Science News I'd like

> to say that I am quotingthese articles from memeory but I just looked

> after I read your post because it was driving me crazy too

> http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html

> <http://www.africanconservation.org/dcforum/DCForumID16/14.html>

> http://www.shc.usp.ac.jp/kuroda/medicinalplants.html

> <http://www.shc.usp.ac.jp/kuroda/medicinalplants.html>

> http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2007/05/06/jun05.asp

> <http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2007/05/06/jun05.asp> Em

> rawfood <rawfood%40>,

> neal <kneel.pardoe@> wrote:

>

> I don't know if this will jog any one else's memory but I do recall

> chimps eat a particular kind of leaf which is not their normal diet in

> order to treat an ailment. I don't remember if it just treats one

> symptom or several but I do remember it being highly efficacious.

> Memory is fuzzy so I don't remember more. Any one do better?

>

> neal.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Health means once per meal ... within an hour or less following that meal.

And yes, the doctors today still routinely tell patients that once or twice

a week is fine, I have such conversations with people with some frequency.

Of COURSE they are sick!!!

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Belinda

Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:51 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

 

 

Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

has. But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

many years.

 

At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was what

I was taught.

 

Belinda

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have read about raw foodists who have reported moving bowels

effortlessly up to six times a day. I've had days close to that. But

counting is pointless, really. The reason being that when eating raw,

a huge portion of the colon is emptied, rather than an impacted type

of smelly bowel that has been moving through the system like a stuck

submarine. Raw foodists, based again on posts I've read, typically

have no reason to read in the bathroom. It's over before the eyes hit

the second paragraph.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

 

 

Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

has. But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

many years.

 

At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was what

I was taught.

 

Belinda Yes ... and it's worse, far worse, than what you describe

here, Janet.

 

Example: Doctors ROUTINELY tell patients that if they are moving their

bowels once or twice a week, they are doing fine, a picture of health.

Yikes!!! Talk about being disconnected ... TOTALLY disconnected ...

from reality.

 

So that's one of an almost unlimited number of examples to which we

could refer, where they are saying the " evidence " means one thing, yet

we know quite well that their interpretation has, well ... gone to

the dogs!

 

Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Janet FitzGerald Sent:

Friday, June 29, 2007 12:54 PM rawfood Subject:

[Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet Keep in mind that

these observations are generally coming from a population of dogs and

cats that have been fed poorly, and are generally malnourished,

despite lack of overt symptoms. This is an example of why studies can

be misleading. Since studies are rarely performed using healthy

subjects, we get scientific study results coming from populations that

are far from it. Doctors will report patients as " healthy " simply

because they do not exhibit overt symptoms. For instance, a patient

reporting fatigue, depression, and even headaches, most probably will

be ascertained as physically " healthy " . And of course, they will send

the patient to the pharmacist to load up on drugs.

[Guest guest]

Gosh, that's awful. No wonder I see all the adds about people

haveing packed feces in their body.

Even my very uneducated grandparents knew you should have a bm more

often than that. (which is why they kept the castor oil handy. Yuk)

 

Ok, some people have jobs and activities where they do not have a

bathroom handy for this much " pottying " . Nor are they able to eat

all day long.

 

I am not even always in places where the bathroom might be handy.

How inconvenient. I would feel like a cow. Just eating and pooping

all day long. sigh

 

 

Belinda

 

 

> Health means once per meal ... within an hour or less following

that meal.

> And yes, the doctors today still routinely tell patients that once

or twice

> a week is fine, I have such conversations with people with some

frequency.

> Of COURSE they are sick!!!

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Belinda

> Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:51 AM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

>

>

> Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

> has. But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

> many years.

>

> At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was

what

> I was taught.

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda,

 

you wrote: " I would feel like a cow. Just eating and pooping

all day long. sigh "

 

oh MN, You provided me with the " laugh of the day. " LOL

 

I do feel like a cow often times.....I wish I could eat the same old thing like

they do and they don't get bored with it!

 

Jeannie

 

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Belinda <MistyBlueTN

rawfood

Sunday, July 1, 2007 7:01:22 AM

[Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

 

 

Gosh, that's awful. No wonder I see all the adds about people

haveing packed feces in their body.

Even my very uneducated grandparents knew you should have a bm more

often than that. (which is why they kept the castor oil handy. Yuk)

 

Ok, some people have jobs and activities where they do not have a

bathroom handy for this much " pottying " . Nor are they able to eat

all day long.

 

I am not even always in places where the bathroom might be handy.

How inconvenient. I would feel like a cow. Just eating and pooping

all day long. sigh

 

 

Belinda

 

 

> Health means once per meal ... within an hour or less following

that meal.

> And yes, the doctors today still routinely tell patients that once

or twice

> a week is fine, I have such conversations with people with some

frequency.

> Of COURSE they are sick!!!

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Belinda

> Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:51 AM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet

>

>

> Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

> has. But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

> many years.

>

> At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was

what

> I was taught.

>

> Belinda

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 30 June 2007 13:50, Belinda wrote:

> Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

> has.  But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

> many years.

>

> At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day.  That was what

> I was taught.

>

> Belinda

 

Same here. However, when I've been physically at my best, nourished and

watered then there is one movement per meal and as someone else mentioned no

time to read and almost no reason to wipe.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

On Sunday 01 July 2007 14:07, jeannieh h wrote:

> I do feel like a cow often times.....I wish I could eat the same old thing

> like they do and they don't get bored with it!

>

> Jeannie

 

They don't get bored with it because they taste many flavours in grass that we

are unable to and unaware of.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

-

Janet FitzGerald

>I have read about raw foodists who have reported moving bowels

effortlessly up to six times a day. I've had days close to that. But

counting is pointless, really. The reason being that when eating raw,

a huge portion of the colon is emptied, rather than an impacted type

of smelly bowel that has been moving through the system like a stuck

submarine. Raw foodists, based again on posts I've read, typically

have no reason to read in the bathroom. It's over before the eyes hit

the second paragraph.

 

hehe Mum reckons her only time to read is on the loo. My boy usually goes

potty once a day, in the morning, sometimes twice a day. Any more than that

is " diagnosed " as diarrhea by everyone I talk to. I've even been told he's

eating too much fruit, and has what's known as " toddler diarrhea " . My

younger brother, on the other hand, who claims he's completely healthy, and

has no need to change his diet, goes between once a week and once a

fortnight (2 weeks) - he also has other health problems, but refuses to

acknowledge them. He stinks, too.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Neal were you totaly raw vegetarian at the time?

 

Another note.

 

My friend with crohns's disease also has bm's after every single meal.

But for her, it is NOT a sign of good health.

 

 

Belinda

 

 

 

> On Saturday 30 June 2007 13:50, Belinda wrote:

> > Wow, I have never heard a doctor say this or know anyone else that

> > has.  But, I have not had a conversation with a doctor like this in

> > many years.

> >

> > At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day.  That was

what

> > I was taught.

> >

> > Belinda

>

> Same here. However, when I've been physically at my best, nourished

and

> watered then there is one movement per meal and as someone else

mentioned no

> time to read and almost no reason to wipe.

>

> neal.

>

[Guest guest]

On Monday 02 July 2007 13:01, Belinda wrote:

> Neal were you totaly raw vegetarian at the time?

 

No.

 

but ate very healthfully, drank lots of water and took a spoonful or two of

molasses here and there. As a treat as I like the taste and a supplement.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Hi Belinda,

 

I sense you are imagining reasons to stay away from better health.

Did you know that your body can eliminate a good portion of the colon

before the bladder has had a chance to unload? The time at the pot is

not as burdensome as you portray. There is no need for potty-side

books. Really.

 

And, there's no need to graze all day long. You can fill up pretty

fast with high water content foods (fruits) and a few bananas. The

process is much faster than cooking and cleaning up the mess

afterwards. Nature has literally produced the FASTEST food available.

You peel the banana, you eat the banana, you peel the banana, you eat

the banana. Easy.

 

I've never been in a work environment where time wasn't made to eat.

If I did find myself in such a predicament, I'd surely find a way out

of it.

 

I've heard of huge sports fans who go to the big stadiums and rather

than wait in line for the bathroom and miss any action, use an

apparatus attached to their privates that would allow the urine to go

to a bag strapped to their leg. And, there are astronauts running

about with diapers on. There ARE options, I suppose! ;-)

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN wrote:

 

Gosh, that's awful. No wonder I see all the adds about people haveing

packed feces in their body.

Even my very uneducated grandparents knew you should have a bm more

often than that. (which is why they kept the castor oil handy. Yuk)

 

Ok, some people have jobs and activities where they do not have a

bathroom handy for this much " pottying " . Nor are they able to eat all

day long.

 

I am not even always in places where the bathroom might be handy.

How inconvenient. I would feel like a cow. Just eating and pooping

all day long. sigh Belinda Health means once per meal ... within an

hour or less following that meal.

And yes, the doctors today still routinely tell patients that once or

twice a week is fine, I have such conversations with people with some

frequency.

Of COURSE they are sick!!!

 

Elchanan _____ rawfood

[rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Saturday,

June 30, 2007 6:51 AM rawfood [Raw Food]

Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet Wow, I have never heard a

doctor say this or know anyone else that has. But, I have not had a

conversation with a doctor like this in many years.

 

At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was what

I was taught.

[Guest guest]

No I am not finding reasons to stay away from health. I just don't

see, (as of yet) that the way you speak of is the way to health. Not

long term anyway.

 

I know you can fill up on fruit. I also know that in a short time

you need to eat again.

 

All work places give you time for lunch and usually a short 10 minute

break before and after lunch.

 

For those that work out on construction sites, traveling, work in

factories, etc. They do not have access to bathrooms at all times of

the day. Nor time for eating every few hours. Many do not have a

place to keep fresh fruits and it would take quite a cooler to hold

enough for a long day of work in hot weather.

 

Alot of assembly line type work, you get 30 minutes to eat and not

another break for bathrooms or whatever for couple of hours or more.

 

And for some that work, in a place of retail, bank, convenience

store, grocery or whatever. You stay put until you run out of

customers or someone shows up to relieve you. You don't always have

the opportunity to eat whenever or potty whenever.

 

Look I am all about living healthy, but I see some flaw in this all

vegan raw stuff.

I am all for eating raw, and I am for eating a lot of it. But, I do

not believe it to be a healthy diet unless supplemented with the

things that are missing.

 

I have read too much of damage to the health of vegans (long term)

not supplementing. And some of them were children.

 

Now short term, to get a jump start on a healthy diet, I am all for

it. But long term, I don't agree that it is as healthy as some of

you believe that it is.

 

Alot of vegan/vegetarian websites even advise supplimentation of B12

as well as a few others.

 

But for those that are convinced that fruits and leafy greens and a

very few nuts, it a healthy diet for a person (long term). Try it or

keep it up. Your body will let you know sooner or later if you were

right.

 

 

So, how long have you been totally vegan without any supplements?

 

Belinda

 

 

 

 

 

> Hi Belinda,

>

> I sense you are imagining reasons to stay away from better health.

> Did you know that your body can eliminate a good portion of the

colon

> before the bladder has had a chance to unload? The time at the pot

is

> not as burdensome as you portray. There is no need for potty-side

> books. Really.

>

> And, there's no need to graze all day long. You can fill up pretty

> fast with high water content foods (fruits) and a few bananas. The

> process is much faster than cooking and cleaning up the mess

> afterwards. Nature has literally produced the FASTEST food

available.

> You peel the banana, you eat the banana, you peel the banana, you

eat

> the banana. Easy.

>

> I've never been in a work environment where time wasn't made to

eat.

> If I did find myself in such a predicament, I'd surely find a way

out

> of it.

>

> I've heard of huge sports fans who go to the big stadiums and rather

> than wait in line for the bathroom and miss any action, use an

> apparatus attached to their privates that would allow the urine to

go

> to a bag strapped to their leg. And, there are astronauts running

> about with diapers on. There ARE options, I suppose! ;-)

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood , " Belinda " <MistyBlueTN@> wrote:

>

> Gosh, that's awful. No wonder I see all the adds about people

haveing

> packed feces in their body.

> Even my very uneducated grandparents knew you should have a bm more

> often than that. (which is why they kept the castor oil handy.

Yuk)

>

> Ok, some people have jobs and activities where they do not have a

> bathroom handy for this much " pottying " . Nor are they able to eat

all

> day long.

>

> I am not even always in places where the bathroom might be handy.

> How inconvenient. I would feel like a cow. Just eating and pooping

> all day long. sigh Belinda Health means once per meal ... within

an

> hour or less following that meal.

> And yes, the doctors today still routinely tell patients that once

or

> twice a week is fine, I have such conversations with people with

some

> frequency.

> Of COURSE they are sick!!!

>

> Elchanan _____ rawfood

> [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent:

Saturday,

> June 30, 2007 6:51 AM rawfood [Raw

Food]

> Re: Treating Symptoms/Supplementing Diet Wow, I have never heard a

> doctor say this or know anyone else that has. But, I have not had a

> conversation with a doctor like this in many years.

>

> At one time the belief was bowel movements once a day. That was

what

> I was taught.

>