Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2007 perhaps Anna felt your 'encounter' was so inspiring she thought every woman should have that wonderful privelage! Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? Sheesh, ya open your heart, ya put yourself out there, all vulnerable and all, and THEN look at what she does ... Time for some serious self-pity ... I'll be back LATER .... Waaaaaahhh Or, perhaps I'm overreacting just a bit ... hmmm, let's give it some serious thought. _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anna Bishop Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:47 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie yes!....it was awesome..youre welcome to join us next time! a On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully (AT) (DOT) <pablobully%40> com> wrote: > ooohhhh sounds wonderful! Is this what happens in the red hot tub stays in > the red hot tub!?! > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece (AT) gmail (DOT) <mowthpeece%40gmail.com> com> wrote: yes....red bulbs in the > tub itself.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2007 can men really be exclusive????? Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: oh did you want exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... xo anna On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? Sheesh, ya open > your heart, ya put yourself out there, all vulnerable and all, and THEN look > at what she does ... Time for some serious self-pity ... I'll be back LATER > ... Waaaaaahhh > > Or, perhaps I'm overreacting just a bit ... hmmm, let's give it some serious > thought. > > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Anna Bishop > Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:47 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie > > > yes!....it was awesome..youre welcome to join us next time! > > a > > On 6/21/07, Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully (AT) (DOT) > <pablobully%40> com> wrote: > > ooohhhh sounds wonderful! Is this what happens in the red hot tub stays in > > the red hot tub!?! > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece (AT) gmail (DOT) <mowthpeece%40gmail.com> com> wrote: > yes....red bulbs in the > > tub itself.... > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2007 [Aside} Woof! _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Terry Bakhtiari Friday, June 22, 2007 9:59 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie ha ha I am too jealous to share! Anna Bishop <mowthpeece (AT) gmail (DOT) <mowthpeece%40gmail.com> com> wrote: yes!....it was awesome..youre welcome to join us next time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2007 sheesh can anybody? :-) Em rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > can men really be exclusive????? > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: oh did you want exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > xo > anna > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Yeah, you're probably right ... and I DID get my blue blankie back. :) _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Terry Bakhtiari Friday, June 22, 2007 10:11 AM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie perhaps Anna felt your 'encounter' was so inspiring she thought every woman should have that wonderful privelage! Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal <Elchanan%40PathOfHealth.org> th.org> wrote: Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? Sheesh, ya open your heart, ya put yourself out there, all vulnerable and all, and THEN look at what she does ... Time for some serious self-pity ... I'll be back LATER .... Waaaaaahhh Or, perhaps I'm overreacting just a bit ... hmmm, let's give it some serious thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 couldnt delete this one... one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or maybe not... i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double dipping.. its bad karma.. peace anna On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: > sheesh > can anybody? > :-) > Em > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: oh did you want > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > xo > > anna > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Yes I think it is a choice I don't however think its natural. Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural thing to have one mate As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > couldnt delete this one... > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or maybe not... > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > dipping.. > > its bad karma.. > > peace > anna > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: > > sheesh > > can anybody? > > :-) > > Em > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> wrote: > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > xo > > > anna > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 > oh and just to clarify-I believe in one cone at a time! AND I just meant that that comment was directed towards men, whom in my experience seem to be a faithful bunch but get such a bad reputation for not being. Em > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > dipping.. > > its bad karma.. > > peace > anna > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: > > sheesh > > can anybody? > > :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 i think were designed for serial monogamy. and yes..individual karma... if you want to deny the pain your partner would unvariably feel at your mating with another..then you can asuage your guilt...some folks actually believe it would not bother their mates...some mates even convince themselves it doesnt bother them..and tell their partners this so they believe it too. i dont buy any of it. People will lie to themselves and their mates about how they feel to avoid losing what they fear they cant keep anyway... some lifestyles claim to live happily with open sexuality, but usually its because its done in secret...or in a religious setting, which becomes a higher priority and therefore truly doesnt allow for jealousy. but if you ask people their preference....i dont know anyone that really doesnt want sexual loyalty from their mate... i wouldnt want any man that was so willing to share me anyway...he either doesnt care about me or is cheating..either way...i call that trash. just my opinion.. anna On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > Yes I think it is a choice > I don't however think its natural. > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > thing to have one mate > As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > couldnt delete this one... > > > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or > maybe not... > > > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > dipping.. > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > peace > > anna > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > sheesh > > > can anybody? > > > :-) > > > Em > > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> wrote: > > > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > > > xo > > > > anna > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 oh yes..i have found men to be rather loyal...once in a committed relationship.. ofcourse the stats say almost all cheat...so sooooomeone is doing it... But having been on all sides of that equation..and i do mean ALL sides...i can say i feel rather confident that a good number dont... one just has to be very careful who one chooses to care about....now playing house...thats another story...and definitely not raw food related.. unless its for 9 1/2 weeks....8-P peace anna On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > oh and just to clarify-I believe in one cone at a time! > > AND I just meant that that comment was directed towards men, whom in > my experience seem to be a faithful bunch but get such a bad > reputation for not being. > Em > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > dipping.. > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > peace > > anna > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > sheesh > > > can anybody? > > > :-) > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 I'm not denying anything I'm married not dead So if I am attracted to someone NOW that I am married I DON'T act on it Marriage is work I disagree that we were designed for it designed by whom..? I don't believe in open marriages. But that is MY belief Before marriage well that depends on the couple in my experience men have always been honest if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is if its not then it isn't I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it Em rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > i think were designed for serial monogamy. > > and yes..individual karma... > > if you want to deny the pain your partner would unvariably feel at > your mating with another..then you can asuage your guilt...some folks > actually believe it would not bother their mates...some mates even > convince themselves it doesnt bother them..and tell their partners > this so they believe it too. > > i dont buy any of it. People will lie to themselves and their mates > about how they feel to avoid losing what they fear they cant keep > anyway... > > some lifestyles claim to live happily with open sexuality, but usually > its because its done in secret...or in a religious setting, which > becomes a higher priority and therefore truly doesnt allow for > jealousy. > > but if you ask people their preference....i dont know anyone that > really doesnt want sexual loyalty from their mate... > i wouldnt want any man that was so willing to share me anyway...he > either doesnt care about me or is cheating..either way...i call that > trash. > > just my opinion.. > anna > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > Yes I think it is a choice > > I don't however think its natural. > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > thing to have one mate > > As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > couldnt delete this one... > > > > > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > > > > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > > > > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or > > maybe not... > > > > > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > > dipping.. > > > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > > > peace > > > anna > > > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > sheesh > > > > can anybody? > > > > :-) > > > > Em > > > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > > > > > xo > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well as not caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals lying..so im happy with my use of the word trash there... as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how humans end up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the offspring that both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about that time.. we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its only purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite the contrary.. probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. Describes mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > I'm not denying anything > I'm married > not dead > So if I am attracted to someone > NOW > that I am married I DON'T act on it > Marriage is work > I disagree that we were designed for it > designed by whom..? > > I don't believe in open marriages. > But that is MY belief > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > in my experience men have always been honest > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > if its not then it isn't > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > Em > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > i think were designed for serial monogamy. > > > > and yes..individual karma... > > > > if you want to deny the pain your partner would unvariably feel at > > your mating with another..then you can asuage your guilt...some folks > > actually believe it would not bother their mates...some mates even > > convince themselves it doesnt bother them..and tell their partners > > this so they believe it too. > > > > i dont buy any of it. People will lie to themselves and their mates > > about how they feel to avoid losing what they fear they cant keep > > anyway... > > > > some lifestyles claim to live happily with open sexuality, but usually > > its because its done in secret...or in a religious setting, which > > becomes a higher priority and therefore truly doesnt allow for > > jealousy. > > > > but if you ask people their preference....i dont know anyone that > > really doesnt want sexual loyalty from their mate... > > i wouldnt want any man that was so willing to share me anyway...he > > either doesnt care about me or is cheating..either way...i call that > > trash. > > > > just my opinion.. > > anna > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > Yes I think it is a choice > > > I don't however think its natural. > > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > > thing to have one mate > > > As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma > > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > > > couldnt delete this one... > > > > > > > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > > > > > > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > > > > > > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or > > > maybe not... > > > > > > > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my > online > > > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > > > dipping.. > > > > > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > > > > > peace > > > > anna > > > > > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > > sheesh > > > > > can anybody? > > > > > :-) > > > > > Em > > > > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > > > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > > > > > > > xo > > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 It's sweet that you are such a romantic I still believe its mind over matter and yes I think we are not arguing but agreeing about the trash I just think its possible to have more than one partner esp if you are not looking to procreate I'm not talking about cheating However if you're locked up for awhile thats not gonna happen anyway I know all about staying together for offspring I've got 4 kiddos Another book!!! :-)...well actually 2 I have heard about them-don't really agree with the year thing but I'll put it on my list ... & read and see :-) Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well as not > caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals lying..so im > happy with my use of the word trash there... > > as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how humans end > up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the offspring that > both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. > Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about > that time.. > > we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its only > purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like > bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite > the contrary.. > > probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of > love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. Describes > mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm > wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it > may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > I'm not denying anything > > I'm married > > not dead > > So if I am attracted to someone > > NOW > > that I am married I DON'T act on it > > Marriage is work > > I disagree that we were designed for it > > designed by whom..? > > > > I don't believe in open marriages. > > But that is MY belief > > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > > in my experience men have always been honest > > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > > if its not then it isn't > > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > > Em Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 agreed upon poly relationships can work with really strong trust and self confidence... i could go on but i think were really out of the box here ... no pun intended 8-) anna On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > It's sweet that you are such a romantic > > I still believe its mind over matter > > and yes I think we are not arguing but agreeing about the trash > I just think its possible to have more than one partner esp if you are > not looking to procreate > I'm not talking about cheating > However if you're locked up for awhile thats not gonna happen anyway > > I know all about staying together for offspring > I've got 4 kiddos > > Another book!!! :-)...well actually 2 > I have heard about them-don't really agree with the year thing > but > I'll put it on my list ... & read and see > :-) > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well as not > > caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals lying..so im > > happy with my use of the word trash there... > > > > as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how humans end > > up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the offspring that > > both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. > > Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about > > that time.. > > > > we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its only > > purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like > > bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite > > the contrary.. > > > > probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of > > love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. Describes > > mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm > > wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it > > may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > I'm not denying anything > > > I'm married > > > not dead > > > So if I am attracted to someone > > > NOW > > > that I am married I DON'T act on it > > > Marriage is work > > > I disagree that we were designed for it > > > designed by whom..? > > > > > > I don't believe in open marriages. > > > But that is MY belief > > > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > > > in my experience men have always been honest > > > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > > > if its not then it isn't > > > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > > > Em > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Yes, Anna, yes you are. And I shall always remember you fondly for that, for returning my blue blankie. And you even washed it in salt for me, how kind! Oh, by the way, for those wondering, it's well known that you can destroy soil by plowing salt into the soil (above a certain concentration). The Romans did this at ancient Carthage, so that nothing would grow there for 1000 years. It worked quite effectively. And the properties that cause virtually nothing to grow in excessively salty soil are the same properties that cause salt to work quite well in the laundry. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Anna Bishop Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:22 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie i am a woman of my word... a On 6/23/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@pathofheal <Elchanan%40pathofhealth.org> th.org> wrote: > Yeah, you're probably right ... and I DID get my blue blankie back. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 i agree....they build in the titillation for no good reason..except mayb to upset the family..but thats another much bigger subject...not raw food related.we can see this in the obsession with breasts here......totally not like that in europe, africa or south america....it does increase porn sales though..ie. Magazines, internet sites, movies, etc... again...artificially creating the need then providing the cure.. its EVERYWHERE here....most americans are oblivious....but i digress.... so how bout the watermelons this season? Pretty sweet huh? anna On 6/24/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > Using our species' history as a guide, it appears to be entirely culturally > directed. And the more taboos, the more " misbehaviors " . > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Em > Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:20 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie > > > Yes I think it is a choice > I don't however think its natural. > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > thing to have one mate > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 :-) ha yes I was just trying to point out that men are always blamed for cheating like I said no I don't think intentional cheating is good but actually one can get swept off ones feet thats what happened in my case I was dating 2 of my husbands friends and he decided to pursue me it was fun that was when I was a romantic too <sigh> any wayyes waaaay too ot but just saying its ok for the woment to play too I mean...well actually this could be on topic-some females are more born hunters than mothers by natures design Em - In rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > agreed upon poly relationships can work with really strong trust and > self confidence... > > i could go on but i think were really out of the box here ... > > no pun intended 8-) > > anna > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > It's sweet that you are such a romantic > > > > I still believe its mind over matter > > > > and yes I think we are not arguing but agreeing about the trash > > I just think its possible to have more than one partner esp if you are > > not looking to procreate > > I'm not talking about cheating > > However if you're locked up for awhile thats not gonna happen anyway > > > > I know all about staying together for offspring > > I've got 4 kiddos > > > > Another book!!! :-)...well actually 2 > > I have heard about them-don't really agree with the year thing > > but > > I'll put it on my list ... & read and see > > :-) > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well as not > > > caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals lying..so im > > > happy with my use of the word trash there... > > > > > > as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how humans end > > > up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the offspring that > > > both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. > > > Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about > > > that time.. > > > > > > we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its only > > > purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like > > > bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite > > > the contrary.. > > > > > > probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of > > > love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. Describes > > > mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm > > > wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it > > > may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! > > > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > I'm not denying anything > > > > I'm married > > > > not dead > > > > So if I am attracted to someone > > > > NOW > > > > that I am married I DON'T act on it > > > > Marriage is work > > > > I disagree that we were designed for it > > > > designed by whom..? > > > > > > > > I don't believe in open marriages. > > > > But that is MY belief > > > > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > > > > in my experience men have always been honest > > > > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > > > > if its not then it isn't > > > > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 I can't stand Cultural Norm one character I wish was never invented Emrawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Using our species' history as a guide, it appears to be entirely culturally > directed. And the more taboos, the more " misbehaviors " . > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Em > Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:20 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie > > > Yes I think it is a choice > I don't however think its natural. > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > thing to have one mate > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Cantaloupes are good too Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > i agree....they build in the titillation for no good reason..except > mayb to upset the family..but thats another much bigger subject...not > raw food related.we can see this in the obsession with breasts > here......totally not like that in europe, africa or south > america....it does increase porn sales though..ie. Magazines, internet > sites, movies, etc... > > again...artificially creating the need then providing the cure.. > > its EVERYWHERE here....most americans are oblivious....but i digress.... > > so how bout the watermelons this season? Pretty sweet huh? > > anna > > On 6/24/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > Using our species' history as a guide, it appears to be entirely culturally > > directed. And the more taboos, the more " misbehaviors " . > > Elchanan > > _____ > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > > Em > > Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:20 AM > > rawfood > > [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie > > > > > > Yes I think it is a choice > > I don't however think its natural. > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > thing to have one mate > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Oh....i aint no angel.... so i have perspective... lying is wrong...its only cheating when you lie.. i have been in all manner of relationships like i said.some rather creative...they existed with no hard feelings only because of their honesty... and im a hopeless romantic...alls fair in love and war in my world...i just detest dishonesty..this puts the onus on the actor to TELL their mate that theyr leaving as soon as possible...if they arent leaving...then the deception will cost mightally at some point...there in comes the bad karma. honesty means the HEARER must be willing to HEAR the news without going fatal attraction....if you dont want the truth...thats fine..agree youll both cheat and pretend u wont..this is what most do.. i personally prefer loyalty, so i choose honesty..when they tell me theyr disloyal..or i find out...im gone...i warn them up front..so no suprises.. if they are successful at keeping their cheating from me...then more power to 'em...im really good at smelling disloyalty... a On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > :-) > ha > yes I was just trying to point out that men are always blamed for cheating > like I said no I don't think intentional cheating is good > but > actually one can get swept off ones feet > thats what happened in my case > I was dating 2 of my husbands friends > and he decided to pursue me > it was fun > that was when I was a romantic too > <sigh> > any wayyes waaaay too ot > but just saying its ok for the woment to play too > I mean...well actually this could be on topic-some females are more > born hunters than mothers > by natures design > Em > - In rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > agreed upon poly relationships can work with really strong trust and > > self confidence... > > > > i could go on but i think were really out of the box here ... > > > > no pun intended 8-) > > > > anna > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > It's sweet that you are such a romantic > > > > > > I still believe its mind over matter > > > > > > and yes I think we are not arguing but agreeing about the trash > > > I just think its possible to have more than one partner esp if you are > > > not looking to procreate > > > I'm not talking about cheating > > > However if you're locked up for awhile thats not gonna happen anyway > > > > > > I know all about staying together for offspring > > > I've got 4 kiddos > > > > > > Another book!!! :-)...well actually 2 > > > I have heard about them-don't really agree with the year thing > > > but > > > I'll put it on my list ... & read and see > > > :-) > > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well > as not > > > > caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals > lying..so im > > > > happy with my use of the word trash there... > > > > > > > > as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how > humans end > > > > up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the > offspring that > > > > both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. > > > > Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about > > > > that time.. > > > > > > > > we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its > only > > > > purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like > > > > bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite > > > > the contrary.. > > > > > > > > probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of > > > > love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. > Describes > > > > mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm > > > > wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it > > > > may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! > > > > > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > > I'm not denying anything > > > > > I'm married > > > > > not dead > > > > > So if I am attracted to someone > > > > > NOW > > > > > that I am married I DON'T act on it > > > > > Marriage is work > > > > > I disagree that we were designed for it > > > > > designed by whom..? > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe in open marriages. > > > > > But that is MY belief > > > > > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > > > > > in my experience men have always been honest > > > > > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > > > > > if its not then it isn't > > > > > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > > > > > Em > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 24, 2007 i love canteloupes...dont you? very refreshing.. anna On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > Cantaloupes are good too > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > i agree....they build in the titillation for no good reason..except > > mayb to upset the family..but thats another much bigger subject...not > > raw food related.we can see this in the obsession with breasts > > here......totally not like that in europe, africa or south > > america....it does increase porn sales though..ie. Magazines, internet > > sites, movies, etc... > > > > again...artificially creating the need then providing the cure.. > > > > its EVERYWHERE here....most americans are oblivious....but i digress.... > > > > so how bout the watermelons this season? Pretty sweet huh? > > > > anna > > > > On 6/24/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > > Using our species' history as a guide, it appears to be entirely > culturally > > > directed. And the more taboos, the more " misbehaviors " . > > > Elchanan > > > _____ > > > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] On > Behalf Of > > > Em > > > Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:20 AM > > > rawfood > > > [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie > > > > > > > > > Yes I think it is a choice > > > I don't however think its natural. > > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > > thing to have one mate > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2007 And how about the cultures with multiple wives, multiple husbands, etc.? I read a travelog from the 1920s in northern canada. Seems that in eskimo culture it was good manners to offer your wife to honored visitors. You might peruse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy Seems humans have tried it all. Whatever we grow up in is what's natural. And the more rules, the more guilt, the more psychological acting out... Enjoy it however you like it! ..wyn The Raw Retreat http://TheRawRetreat.com o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE f) 877.236.6999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2007 I am giving you a standing ovation for this post. I agree. (not mention how dangerous to the health that mulitple sexual partners is) Belinda rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > i think were designed for serial monogamy. > > and yes..individual karma... > > if you want to deny the pain your partner would unvariably feel at > your mating with another..then you can asuage your guilt...some folks > actually believe it would not bother their mates...some mates even > convince themselves it doesnt bother them..and tell their partners > this so they believe it too. > > i dont buy any of it. People will lie to themselves and their mates > about how they feel to avoid losing what they fear they cant keep > anyway... > > some lifestyles claim to live happily with open sexuality, but usually > its because its done in secret...or in a religious setting, which > becomes a higher priority and therefore truly doesnt allow for > jealousy. > > but if you ask people their preference....i dont know anyone that > really doesnt want sexual loyalty from their mate... > i wouldnt want any man that was so willing to share me anyway...he > either doesnt care about me or is cheating..either way...i call that > trash. > > just my opinion.. > anna > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > Yes I think it is a choice > > I don't however think its natural. > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > thing to have one mate > > As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > couldnt delete this one... > > > > > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > > > > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > > > > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or > > maybe not... > > > > > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my online > > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > > dipping.. > > > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > > > peace > > > anna > > > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > sheesh > > > > can anybody? > > > > :-) > > > > Em > > > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > > > > > xo > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2007 Anna, You wrote:..... " its good for the offspring that both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about that time.. " Who are the " we " you speak of?? I personally know of 3 of my friends that have been married many years and are still going strong. I also have a fantastic marriage that has no sign of fizzleing out. The problem could be that since marriage is so much work there might be people not willing to or not able to work it as needed? I don't know, the answer is perhaps as different as the situation. I just know for a fact that there are marriages that are long term and just as happy now, if not happier than they were in the begining. Just my opinion. Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece rawfood Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:54:28 PM Re: [Raw Food] Re: Blue blankie i believe i used the word cheating right before trash...as well as not caring for me....which if theyr stringing me along equals lying..so im happy with my use of the word trash there... as for who designed what....serial monogamy seems to be how humans end up behaving when left to their own.....its good for the offspring that both parents are at least in love until the age of self sufficiency. Apx 4-5yrs. ...which explains why we tend to fall out of love about that time.. we cant ignore love when trying to explain sexual behavior...its only purpose is to keep the pair together..otherwise wed be like bunnies...this would not insure the welfare of the offspring...quite the contrary.. probably the best book ive read on the subject is " the anatomy of love " ...written in the 80s or 90s i think..really brilliant. Describes mating from an evolutionary standpoint..another great one is " sperm wars " ...this one is not as heavily referenced as " anatomy... " ..so it may be a theory only..but BOY does it decribe us well! On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > I'm not denying anything > I'm married > not dead > So if I am attracted to someone > NOW > that I am married I DON'T act on it > Marriage is work > I disagree that we were designed for it > designed by whom..? > > I don't believe in open marriages. > But that is MY belief > Before marriage well that depends on the couple > in my experience men have always been honest > if its a relationship based on exclusivity it is > if its not then it isn't > I don't think that someone is trash unless they are lying about it > Em > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > i think were designed for serial monogamy. > > > > and yes..individual karma... > > > > if you want to deny the pain your partner would unvariably feel at > > your mating with another..then you can asuage your guilt...some folks > > actually believe it would not bother their mates...some mates even > > convince themselves it doesnt bother them..and tell their partners > > this so they believe it too. > > > > i dont buy any of it. People will lie to themselves and their mates > > about how they feel to avoid losing what they fear they cant keep > > anyway... > > > > some lifestyles claim to live happily with open sexuality, but usually > > its because its done in secret...or in a religious setting, which > > becomes a higher priority and therefore truly doesnt allow for > > jealousy. > > > > but if you ask people their preference....i dont know anyone that > > really doesnt want sexual loyalty from their mate... > > i wouldnt want any man that was so willing to share me anyway...he > > either doesnt care about me or is cheating..either way...i call that > > trash. > > > > just my opinion.. > > anna > > > > On 6/24/07, Em <emusedmary wrote: > > > Yes I think it is a choice > > > I don't however think its natural. > > > Of course I don't double dip-I'm married and alwasy new that would be > > > it...of course even after 15 years i still wonder if its a natural > > > thing to have one mate > > > As for bad/good karma-thats individual karma > > > Emrawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece@> wrote: > > > > > > > > couldnt delete this one... > > > > > > > > one has to want to be exclusive and choose it. > > > > > > > > but its a hard tempation to resist...harder than food for some... > > > > > > > > shall we discuss whether people have choice in this behavior?...or > > > maybe not... > > > > > > > > i for one dont double dip....hence the surgical severance of my > online > > > > tryst with our diet guru....i dont even like pretending im double > > > > dipping.. > > > > > > > > its bad karma.. > > > > > > > > peace > > > > anna > > > > > > > > On 6/23/07, Antie Em <emusedmary@> wrote: > > > > > sheesh > > > > > can anybody? > > > > > :-) > > > > > Em > > > > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > can men really be exclusive????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece@> wrote: oh did you want > > > > > exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > > > > > > > > > > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > > > > > > > > > > > xo > > > > > > anna > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2007 yes! I can! Antie Em <emusedmary wrote: sheesh can anybody? :-) Em rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > can men really be exclusive????? > > Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote: oh did you want exclusivity? Im sorry...ya shudda said somethin! > > i can do that too....but i gotta feelin thats all for show..... > > xo > anna > > On 6/21/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > Hey, wait a minute ... who just got invited to do what? Huh? Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
