Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D. There are alot of recipies out there for green smoothies and green drinks that will help you out. Jan <jantese wrote: Hi all, Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime when I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I run across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp. Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. Since plants have no need for Vitamin D, there are really no natural plant food sources of it. This article from the National Institutes of Health lists foods that are high in Vitamin D: fish oils, egg yolks, beef liver, fortified milk, cheese - all animal-derived foods, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat. http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp I found " Vegan D " tablets in the health food store that contains D2 (as opposed to D3 from animals), but I wonder how good that is as a source. This is from the above NIH article: " Sun exposure is perhaps the most important source of vitamin D because exposure to sunlight provides most humans with their vitamin D requirement. UV rays from the sun trigger vitamin D synthesis in skin. Season, geographic latitude, time of day, cloud cover, smog, and sunscreen affect UV ray exposure and vitamin D synthesis. For example, sunlight exposure from November through February in Boston is insufficient to produce significant vitamin D synthesis in the skin. Complete cloud cover halves the energy of UV rays, and shade reduces it by 60%. Industrial pollution, which increases shade, also decreases sun exposure and may contribute to the development of rickets in individuals with insufficient dietary intake of vitamin D. Sunscreens with a sun protection factor (SPF) of 8 or greater will block UV rays that produce vitamin D. " Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 No, I don't think that's correct. Can you provide a source, or references, for your information, please? Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote: > All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory details, see the research compiled at: http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ You asked also about D2 vs D3 forms of the vitamin. They cover that here: http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/vitaminDPharmacology.shtml Hope this helps, -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, vitamins A, C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K. Pat _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Jan Monday, February 19, 2007 8:19 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements No, I don't think that's correct. Can you provide a source, or references, for your information, please? Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote: > All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D. > _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Ok, so no Vitamin D in dark green leafy vegetables, contrary to what Donna had claimed in an earlier message. Do you take a Vitamin D supplement? Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Pat Carson wrote: > Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, > vitamins A, > C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K. > > > > Pat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Sources of Vitamin D: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Pat Carson Monday, February 19, 2007 11:50 AM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements * Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, vitamins A, C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K. Pat _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I do not take a vitamin D supplement. I try to be outside everyday that it is sunny. Faith _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Jan Monday, February 19, 2007 1:16 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements Ok, so no Vitamin D in dark green leafy vegetables, contrary to what Donna had claimed in an earlier message. Do you take a Vitamin D supplement? Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Pat Carson wrote: > Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, > vitamins A, > C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K. > > > > Pat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I just did a quick search on vegetables vitamin D and that was what came up in every single site. Jan <jantese wrote: No, I don't think that's correct. Can you provide a source, or references, for your information, please? Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote: > All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D. > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Wikipedia says that Shitake mushrooms are a veg. source of vitamin D. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D Kemi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your reply, but it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't looking for links to information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty of that myself by doing a Web search; in fact, I had included an informational link in my original post. Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do about Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D are animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his recommendations. Here's a portion of my original message: " Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime when I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I run across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp. Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. " Jan On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote: > Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately > as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps > too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise > as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory > details, see the research compiled at: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Kemi, I had also heard about Shitakes as a source of Vitamin D. I had read, however, that the mushrooms must have been exposed to sufficient sunshine while growing. That's impossible to know when you buy then in a store. Jan On Feb 23, 2007, at 6:50 PM, m00nchile wrote: > Wikipedia says that Shitake mushrooms are a veg. source of vitamin D. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D > Kemi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Ah, but you also asked: ================================== Since plants have no need for Vitamin D, there are really no natural plant food sources of it. This article from the National Institutes of Health lists foods that are high in Vitamin D: fish oils, egg yolks, beef liver, fortified milk, cheese - all animal-derived foods, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat. http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp I found " Vegan D " tablets in the health food store that contains D2 (as opposed to D3 from animals), but I wonder how good that is as a source. ================================== So, I also provided a link to the differences. Between the two references I provided, which respectively call for greater intake than once deemed sufficient and for D3 vs D2, it was my point that one should supplement. -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog rawfood , Jan <jantese wrote: > > Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your > reply, but it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't > looking for links to information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty of > that myself by doing a Web search; in fact, I had included an > informational link in my original post. > > Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do about > Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D are > animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are > likely to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his > recommendations. > > Here's a portion of my original message: > > " Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, > especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime when > I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I > run across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient > in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw > vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp. > > Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas > Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being > addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult > to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. " > > Jan > > On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote: > > > Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately > > as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps > > too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise > > as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory > > details, see the research compiled at: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi Jan and all, We humans are designed to make vitamin D, not to eat it. To make this substance, the primary required nutrient is sunshine. If you get outdoors and wear as few clothes as you can for as much of the year as you can, you will NEVER even approach a vitamin D deficiency. We are designed to eat C and make D. In contrast, cats (many carnivores) are designed to eat D and make C. I recall that they store C in their adrenal gland, which we cannot do. We require absolutely NO food source of vitamin D, only sunshine. And I know of no source that provides a healthful supply. Animal foods are destructive to our species, and as Erin correctly points out, plants are not a source for this vitamin. Summary: vitamin D is not a food nutrient. Rather, it is the byproduct of a nonfood nutrient, sunshine. Best to all, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Jan Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:00 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Vitamin D requirements Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your reply, but it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't looking for links to information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty of that myself by doing a Web search; in fact, I had included an informational link in my original post. Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do about Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D are animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his recommendations. Here's a portion of my original message: " Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime when I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I run across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp. Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. " Jan ______ On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote: Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory details, see the research compiled at: <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =27825/stime=1172419211/nc1=3848446/nc2=4025377/nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi Elchanan, Many thanks for your input on this matter. Yes, in an ideal world, we humans should synthesize Vitamin D from sun exposure. Unfortunately, not all of us live in a climate - year-round - that is suitable for getting outdoors. Some of us live in a northern latitude six months of the year with a cold, blustery winter season, far from the sun's beneficial rays. And I don't think one can soak up the sun during the summer months and have it last throughout the winter months in such climes, do you? And even if we manage to get away for a week's vacation in the southern sun, that still would not be enough for the entire six months of winter. So what do you recommend for us snow bunnies? If not a Vitamin D supplement, then a sun lamp? This past week (since I'm one of those who live in a northern winter climate and am concerned about getting adequate Vitamin D), I had my blood drawn for a Vitamin D test: 25-hydroxy vitamin D, and 1,25- dihydroxy vitamin D, along with serum calcium (since the two work hand-in-hand in the body). Don't have the results back yet. I have been taking Vegan D2 a few time a week, and eat sesame sprouts, which is high in calcium. Jan On Mar 3, 2007, at 3:02 AM, Elchanan wrote: > Hi Jan and all, > > We humans are designed to make vitamin D, not to eat it. To make this > substance, the primary required nutrient is sunshine. If you get > outdoors > and wear as few clothes as you can for as much of the year as you > can, you > will NEVER even approach a vitamin D deficiency. > > We are designed to eat C and make D. In contrast, cats (many > carnivores) are > designed to eat D and make C. I recall that they store C in their > adrenal > gland, which we cannot do. > > We require absolutely NO food source of vitamin D, only sunshine. > And I know > of no source that provides a healthful supply. Animal foods are > destructive > to our species, and as Erin correctly points out, plants are not a > source > for this vitamin. > > Summary: vitamin D is not a food nutrient. Rather, it is the > byproduct of a > nonfood nutrient, sunshine. > > Best to all, > Elchanan > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I have also been wondering if tanning beds will do the same thing? I am not sure what a tanning bed's spectral output is, but I think some do mimic the sun's. Anyone have any thoughts on this? It might be nice to have an excuse to get a great tan in the middle of winter! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Well I just googled some information on this, and most people say that tanning beds are NOT a good way to get vitamin D. Though tanning beds can help produce some vitamin D, the risks of skin damage outweigh the benefits. Also, most references indicate that it takes a much smaller amount of sunshine to get enough vitamin D than most people think, and you only need exposure to your hands and face and sometimes arms to get enough, even in winter. Caucasians evolved/were created to live in Northern climates - hence the white skin. They are adapted to living for long periods with less sunshine than one finds at the equator! Obviously! I wouldn't be surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion, simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical " supplements " , but thats just my opinion Joe rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote: > > I have also been wondering if tanning beds will do the same thing? I > am not sure what a tanning bed's spectral output is, but I think some > do mimic the sun's. > Anyone have any thoughts on this? It might be nice to have an excuse > to get a great tan in the middle of winter! > > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 What I've read is that it's UVB rays that stimulate the body's production of vitamin D. Tanning beds emit mostly UVA rays because those rays provide a deeper, golden tan. As far as sunshine exposure in the cold, winter climates, see this article: The Synthesis of Vitamin D in the Skin and the Vitamin D Winter http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html#dwinter It says, " At most latitudes outside of the tropics, there are substantial portions of the year during which vitamin D cannot be obtained from sunlight. ... 'vitamin D winter' [when synthesis of vitamin D in the skin is impossible] occurred during at least part of the year at any latitude greater than 34 degrees. " My locale's latitude is about 41 degrees. (You can find out yours by googling your " city state latitude. " ) Jan On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Joe Postma wrote: > Well I just googled some information on this, and most people say that > tanning beds are NOT a good way to get vitamin D. Though tanning beds > can help produce some vitamin D, the risks of skin damage outweigh the > benefits. Also, most references indicate that it takes a much smaller > amount of sunshine to get enough vitamin D than most people think, and > you only need exposure to your hands and face and sometimes arms to > get enough, even in winter. > > Caucasians evolved/were created to live in Northern climates - hence > the white skin. They are adapted to living for long periods with less > sunshine than one finds at the equator! Obviously! I wouldn't be > surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion, > simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical > " supplements " , but thats just my opinion > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote: [...] > I wouldn't be > surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion, > simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical > " supplements " , but thats just my opinion Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds with one another. -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 > Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement > manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds > with one another. > > -Erin > www.zenpawn.com/vegblog That's interesting, I'd be interested to know in which ways. But as a Natural Hygienist I believe anything that comes in pill form falls into the general drug industry. In fact it was just reported in the news that anti-oxidant supplements actually DECREASE life expectancy! That's because anything that comes in a pill form like that is a drug and bodily poison, no matter how " natural " it is claimed to be - even herbal supplements. The best and only things that should be entering the digestive tract are raw organic fruits and veggies right guys!!!??? Yeah!!! (I'm well aware of other dietary variations, I'm just saying this would be ideal ) All the best! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote: [...] > In fact it was just reported in > the news that anti-oxidant supplements actually DECREASE life > expectancy! [...] That " study " has been analyzed by many and found to be flawed in many ways. Here is one such rebuttal: http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/consumer_alert_020307.htm -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote: > > > Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement > > manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds > > with one another. > > > > -Erin > > www.zenpawn.com/vegblog > > > That's interesting, I'd be interested to know in which ways. They are in competition with one another! Supplements are largely unregulated, thus not burdened by expensive trials, and unpatentable. -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I think it's dangerous to assume that we can only get everything from foods. We all thought that (as raw foodists) until we started studying the soil hardcore, etc. There is nothing wrong with whole food and superfood supplementation. I don't know WHY so many think that is the same as a vitamin. A lot of raw foodists suffer instead of thrive as a result of the supposed " ban " on anything in a jar, etc. It's ridiculous. The deficiencies and imbalances faced today are unlike any of our past as a result of all the chemicals and non-foods people eat. We need to correct that with nutrition, but we need to be wise and all encompassing in our approach. SOME raw foodists just go raw and are fine. But many are NOT living the Wigmore program and many on the Wigmore program would have thrived from the use of more herbs and/or superfoods, etc. To boycott life-giving natural health supplements as a result of them not growing on a tree in that form just seems ludicrous, not that natural hygiene doesn't have a ton of great aspects to it. I LOVE Natural Hygiene, for the most part, but the goal is health, not following the rules. I've seen many suffer without the addition of things like superfoods and juicing and even energy medicines, herbs, and rife machines, etc. I've also seen people DIE of cancer in raw foods institutes when the backyard was FULL of red clover, but because it wasn't " pure wigmore " nobody thought to give it to them. Just retarded if you ask me. I totally think people should take supplementary Vitamin D if in places like the NW and they don't get it like they should, or aren't processing it like others. I mean, where do natural hygienists get their B12? Simply put, I know at least one (I don't know many pure hygienists) who had MAJOR deficiency of B12. I know other raw foodists who do. It isn't pretty. They take shots and supplements now, but aren't any less raw. Raw foodists need to get off this hang-up. It is OKAY to take supplements. Do what you have to do. This particular woman has terrible Lymes, a completely awful autoimmune situation, and a thyroid that DOES NOT WORK. (All Lymes-related). She's more raw and organic than anybody I know, believes in and educates others in the lifestyle constantly, she even water-fasted at a top clinic but it DAMAGED her (water fasting is simply too much and not smart; I've done many myself). She is aware that she NEEDS a thyroid med for now, a rife machine to beat her lymes (it is not going away on raw and won't), and she takes major supplements, including B12 (like others I know). This is not because " raw foods failed " , it's because her body is so damaged from the lymes and stuff that she is not absorbing. Lymes is thought to infect 1 in 2 people, almost. It is a GMO bacteria. We need to open up our minds and expand out consciousness to include the possibility that different things are needed for different illnesses, etc. This woman should be bedridden, but instead she is up and on the go (although feels pretty bad). That is a strong testimony to the POWER of living foods. But it is not the be all and end all. Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Hi great email! I totally agree that some people get hung up on things! I know so many people who claim to be vegetarians, but they eat an awful diet and are sickly and overweight. My training is in Astrophysics, but I study Natural Hygiene on the side...it is a fascinating field with so much scientific common sense. I know that coral supplements, green drinks etc and all that stuff is claimed to be good for you, but, I do not think these were things we ate when we lived thousands of years ago and had none of the modern illnesses. I especially don't think you need these things if you eat a proper raw diet in a wide variety of fruits and veggies, nuts etc. As for vitamin D and B12, a true Natural Hygienist gets those from animal products! You heard right! There is absolutely nothing wrong with an organic steak or whatever from an animal that was raised humanely, as long as you understand that most of your diet should come from raw food. We also use small amounts of butter. Also, the body has a 2 to 5 year reserve of b12, so it only takes consuming an animal product once in a blue moon to replenish that reserve. Vitamin D doesn't last as long but a bi-weekly or monthly consumption of a good quality animal (or fish) product is more than likely enough. Though it is not known exactly how much vitamin D we actually need, estimates put it at only 5 millionths of a gram a day! That is ridiculously tiny! It is EASY to get that. The whole vitamin b12 and D thing is a perfect example of something people sometimes get " hung up " on! And we need to realize that over-supplementation is poisonous, too much vitamin D causes all sorts of health problems! So I totally agree with you about being open minded and holistic, and not being " only raw food and thats it! " , there's more to life than that! BUT, I will NEVER say that a pill or concentrated supplement of any kind is " natural " . Even though perhaps they do have health benefits if your body is compromised and in need of major replenishment. But that's just the semantics of the philosophy I was trained in, other people have different definitions for the word " natural " . Natural Hygiene is the study of health, not the study of disease Take care and thanks for loosening things up a bit! All the best, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Oh my Gosh, there is SO MUCH wrong with eating a steak, ethically, environmentally, and physically, so I would have to disagree. Also, I have NEVER HEARD of natural hygiene allowing for meat. Shelton certainly didn't advocate it. There is no such thing as " humane murder " , sorry. It is unsustainable and totally unethical. If you want to talk " natural " , you would NEVER in nature stalk down a cow with your claws and gnash your frugivorous teeth into it's entrails. The mere thought is laughable at best. Utterly unnatural. I would encourage you to rethink this philosophy, for your own health purposes as well as for the environment and animals everywhere who deserve better. Nobody would ever think that murdering another human for economic purposes could be done " humanely " ... It is also scary to try to eat like we did thousands of years ago, solely. The air is different. The soil is different. We have encountered WAY more pollutants, chemicals and toxins. THAT is why I am saying we need to eat green superfood blends in jars, etc, whether or not people say it's " natural " ---it's a whole, living concentrated foodsource. THAT is what I was getting at, and totally believe in. In summary, SOME will process Vitamin D from the sun and/or greens. Others may not due to their own compromised digestion/assimilation. So, those people should look for a supplementary organic and plant- based concentrated supplement. They shouldn't NOT do so due to being come down upon by the raw foods movement, or fear of being " not 100% living like our ancestors " , etc. It's just common sense, all of it, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yes I really like the idea of " stalking a cow and tearing into its entrails " - it is so great for pointing out that we do not naturally eat a lot of meat! I just told someone to eat some meat for getting D vitamins...now I feel bad about that! :| Must have had a relapse from my meat eating days! I agree Shelton wouldn't have recommended meat, but I think that would be as a staple...I think meat once in a good while IS okay...well, aside from the murder thing! But heck, this world is all about murder! Even consuming a plant is murder to the plant, but we don't anthropomorphize with them so it doesn't matter. But is a plant IS a living thing with its own energy field, and we have no qualms about eating as much of them as we want. If you disagree with eating cows than one should also disagree with eating fish. A lot times vegetarians don't do this, and they eat fish....but the same idea of tearing into a fish's entrails is gross too! Thanks for getting me back on track about the meat thing! I appreciate it All the best Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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