Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 At 02:33 +0000 08/07/24, wrote: Most doctors want to push pills and procedures because that's where they make their money. I highly recommend Dr Joel Fuhrman's book, " Eat to Live " and his website, www.drfuhrman.com <<http://www.drfuhrman.com>http://www.drfuhrman.com> . He is a big proponent of healthy, vegan eating. Just start your healthy journey and never give Actually, Dr. Fuhrman DOES push pills (vitamins) at his website (check out " vitamin advisory " ). Personally, I think that's inconsistent with his general spoken advice. I also find it weird that he has a product to " lower " LDL levels when, if he'd suggest following Esselstyn's proven research, those pills wouldn't be necessary. In fact, aside from the " emotional " insurance of doing a multi-vitamin periodically (for the B12, and in the event I'm missing something), if one is eating properly I would think one wouldn't need his products. Furthermore, I'm not keen on having to keep 'score' on nutrient densities, yadda yadda, and I think some of Fuhrman's ideas about fat are also inconsistent with Ornish's and Esselstyn's research. Here's a video of McDougall, Fuhrman, Esselstyn, and two others on a panel discussion regarding starches, fats. McDougall and Fuhrman disagree, and I like that McDougall cites historical evidence from different cultures. I also mention in this post about the look in Essy's eyes when Fuhrman talks about fat: http://soulveggie.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/05/diet_mcdougalle.html My e-mail here might be off topic, but nuts (pun intended), most of what I've seen posted recently (especially discussions as to what is or isn't a vegan or vegetarian), so what's the difference? Maybe mine's a bit closer dealing with " low fat issues. " After all, it's a " fat free vegan " list. FYI, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I've read Fuhrman's, McDougall's, Esselstyn's, and Barnard's books. I think they are all healthy and good diets, but I think Fuhrman's is the most nutritious and healthy. Esselstyn's diet is design for people with serious heart disease. Fuhrman's diet is very similar but recommends a higher ratio of vegetables to grains, and the addition of 1-2 oz of healthy fats in the form of nuts or avocado, less for overweight people---that's only 1-2 handfuls so we aren't talking a large amount. Fuhrman recommends vitamins for added insurance, and came out with his own version because so many of the vitamins on the market have unhealthy doses of, for example, vitamin A and iron. I don't think he PUSHES his vitamins on anybody. Fuhrman doesn't recommend you keep score of your nutrient densities. You can use his tables as a guide if you are wondering what is a more healthy vegetable. Like all of the above doctors, he researches the medical literature extensively and makes his guess of the best recommendations--and one thing I like about him is he is willing to change his recommendations if new research contradicts his previous recommendations. I think the vast majority of people would benefit from any of these diets. However, I have to say a thin person like myself requires a small dose of healthy fats (in the form of raw nuts and seeds), in my case, to keep my heart beat more regular. There is medical literature that backs this up. -barb On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Mark Sutton wrote: > At 02:33 +0000 08/07/24, wrote: > Most doctors want to push pills > and procedures because that's where they make their money. I highly > recommend Dr Joel Fuhrman's book, " Eat to Live " and his website, > www.drfuhrman.com <<http://www.drfuhrman.com>http:// > www.drfuhrman.com> . He is a big proponent of > healthy, vegan eating. Just start your healthy journey and never give > > Actually, Dr. Fuhrman DOES push pills (vitamins) at his website > (check out " vitamin advisory " ). Personally, I think that's > inconsistent with his general spoken advice. I also find it weird > that he has a product to " lower " LDL levels when, if he'd suggest > following Esselstyn's proven research, those pills wouldn't be > necessary. In fact, aside from the " emotional " insurance of doing a > multi-vitamin periodically (for the B12, and in the event I'm > missing something), if one is eating properly I would think one > wouldn't need his products. > > Furthermore, I'm not keen on having to keep 'score' on nutrient > densities, yadda yadda, and I think some of Fuhrman's ideas about > fat are also inconsistent with Ornish's and Esselstyn's research. > > Here's a video of McDougall, Fuhrman, Esselstyn, and two others on > a panel discussion regarding starches, fats. McDougall and Fuhrman > disagree, and I like that McDougall cites historical evidence from > different cultures. I also mention in this post about the look in > Essy's eyes when Fuhrman talks about fat: > > http://soulveggie.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/05/diet_mcdougalle.html > > My e-mail here might be off topic, but nuts (pun intended), most of > what I've seen posted recently (especially discussions as to what > is or isn't a vegan or vegetarian), so what's the difference? > > Maybe mine's a bit closer dealing with " low fat issues. " After all, > it's a " fat free vegan " list. > > FYI, Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Way to say it......Mark. I feel the same about the pills and such......... My label is human......how about that?--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Mark Sutton <msutton wrote: Mark Sutton <msutton Fuhrman, Pills, and Fat Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 9:00 AM At 02:33 +0000 08/07/24, wrote:Most doctors want to push pillsand procedures because that's where they make their money. I highlyrecommend Dr Joel Fuhrman's book, "Eat to Live" and his website,www.drfuhrman. com <<http://www.drfuhrma n.com>http://www.drfuhrma n.com> . He is a big proponent ofhealthy, vegan eating. Just start your healthy journey and never giveActually, Dr. Fuhrman DOES push pills (vitamins) at his website (check out "vitamin advisory"). Personally, I think that's inconsistent with his general spoken advice. I also find it weird that he has a product to "lower" LDL levels when, if he'd suggest following Esselstyn's proven research, those pills wouldn't be necessary. In fact, aside from the "emotional" insurance of doing a multi-vitamin periodically (for the B12, and in the event I'm missing something), if one is eating properly I would think one wouldn't need his products.Furthermore, I'm not keen on having to keep 'score' on nutrient densities, yadda yadda, and I think some of Fuhrman's ideas about fat are also inconsistent with Ornish's and Esselstyn's research.Here's a video of McDougall, Fuhrman, Esselstyn, and two others on a panel discussion regarding starches, fats. McDougall and Fuhrman disagree, and I like that McDougall cites historical evidence from different cultures. I also mention in this post about the look in Essy's eyes when Fuhrman talks about fat:http://soulveggie. blogs.com/ my_weblog/ 2007/05/diet_ mcdougalle. htmlMy e-mail here might be off topic, but nuts (pun intended), most of what I've seen posted recently (especially discussions as to what is or isn't a vegan or vegetarian), so what's the difference?Maybe mine's a bit closer dealing with "low fat issues." After all, it's a "fat free vegan" list.FYI, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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