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Good morning,

In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I was

stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

 

Thank you.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

 

 

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Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down in the

first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

 

Best wishes and speedy recovery!

 

-Heather/starrrie

 

Nick <nick.hein wrote:

Good morning,

In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I was

stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

 

Thank you.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

 

 

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Heather,

Thanks for the quick reply. I've been putting ice on it since I got up this

morning (about 2 hours ago). That's eased the discomfort but I'm concerned that

the infection may continue to spread if I don't do something. I'm finding it

hard to trust my body to take care of things itself in time in this case. It

may be that I don't need to do anything else, but that's not an easy thing to

know.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

-

Heather Andersen

RawSeattle

Monday, August 30, 2004 5:36 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

 

 

Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down in

the first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

 

Best wishes and speedy recovery!

 

-Heather/starrrie

 

Nick <nick.hein wrote:

Good morning,

In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I

was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

 

Thank you.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

 

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*nod*

 

Thinking about it more I remember my ND having me drink cold-infusions of

Melissa (lemon balm) which she said would work as a gentle antibiotic. I did,

and got well, though I know that I cannot always attribute healing to the foods

I eat. It tasted good as well! :) I picked a handfull (growing in my garden),

washed them in clean water and then soaked in a 1 litre bottle overnight, then

drank the resulting " tea " .If you happen to have it in the garden I don't think

it would hurt! I also remember her having me take nettles to help with this too.

Got any around?

 

I'm off to burningman in a few short hours, so I must sleep. Best wishes to

you!

 

If I meet David Wolfe (his site says he'll be there) I'll try to ask him! ;)

 

-Heather/starrrie

Nick <nick.hein wrote:

Heather,

Thanks for the quick reply. I've been putting ice on it since I got up this

morning (about 2 hours ago). That's eased the discomfort but I'm concerned that

the infection may continue to spread if I don't do something. I'm finding it

hard to trust my body to take care of things itself in time in this case. It

may be that I don't need to do anything else, but that's not an easy thing to

know.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

-

Heather Andersen

RawSeattle

Monday, August 30, 2004 5:36 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

 

 

Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down in

the first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

 

Best wishes and speedy recovery!

 

-Heather/starrrie

 

Nick <nick.hein wrote:

Good morning,

In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I

was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

 

Thank you.

 

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

 

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Hi Nick,

Sorry to hear about your encounter. I understand it's hard to get over the

idea that we have to assist the body when it's trying to overcome a problem,

especially when we're suffering. It helps to understand what's going on. Your

injury is not " infected " . The body rushes fluids to the area to dilute the

poisons, while it ushers them into your bloodstream, on to your organs of

elimination and out of your body. To control the circulation in the area with

ice or remedies is to stop the body from doing what it needs to do. You can see

how this course of action would actually slow down your healing, rather than

help it. To speed healing, it is important that you get out of the way, by

resting (and slightly elevating) the affected

area, and NOT EATING. When we do have an injury that gets " infected " , the

reason is that the bloodstream is so polluted with the waste products of

undigested food that the cells can't function like they're supposed to, which

complicates and slows healing. Bacteria come along to eat the waste in a

cooperative attempt to purify the bloodstream, and they get falsely accused of

causing the mess. The real culprit is the waste.

Hope this catches you before you go off to the doctor. Take care!

Nora

 

 

Nick wrote:

 

> Heather,

> Thanks for the quick reply. I've been putting ice on it since I got up this

morning (about 2 hours ago). That's eased the discomfort but I'm concerned that

the infection may continue to spread if I don't do something. I'm finding it

hard to trust my body to take care of things itself in time in this case. It

may be that I don't need to do anything else, but that's not an easy thing to

know.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

> -

> Heather Andersen

> RawSeattle

> Monday, August 30, 2004 5:36 AM

> Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

>

> Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down in

the first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

>

> Best wishes and speedy recovery!

>

> -Heather/starrrie

>

> Nick <nick.hein wrote:

> Good morning,

> In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I

was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

>

>

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Hey Nick,

 

Are you sure it is an infection ? That quickly after the sting, I would guess

that it is an alergic reaction to the wasp venom, rather than an infection per

se. I've had numerous stings over the years result in moderate to severe

swelling, with the last incident involving hives, indicating the beginings of

anaphylactic shock. Pretty scary. My reactions have gradually gotten worse for

each sting over the years.

 

Most allopatic treaments range from antihistamenes to ease the results of the

bodies immune responses/swelling symptoms, to epinephrine injections for severe

life threatening anaphylactic shock. Reactions to bee stings can be pretty

severe to life threatening.

 

For my last incident mentioned above, I was on a mountain bike ride (alone, not

very wise), about 6 miles away from the end of the ride via mostly deserted dirt

roads, when I got a yellow jacket caught in my jersey, which subsequently stung

me on the chest and after a few minutes of swelling, I started to get hives.

Knowing that adenulin is prescribed in servere reactions, I started riding real

hard, like I was in a race, trying to stimulate my own natural adrenulin. It

seemed to work, as the hives went away after a few minutes of race pace - not

sure if this is recomended or not in such circumstances. I probably should carry

an anti-venom/epinephrine kit for such a case.

 

Can probably do some web searches to get some herbs that have antihistaminal

properties, here is one I found pretty quickly:

 

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/41/67.cfm

 

Some natural herbs listed in this article are basil, echinacea, fennel, fig,

ginkgo, grapefruit, passionflower, tarragon, tea, thyme and yarrow.

 

David

 

 

 

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:40:45 -0400, Nick <nick.hein wrote:

> Heather,

> Thanks for the quick reply. I've been putting ice on it since I got up this

morning (about 2 hours ago). That's eased the discomfort but I'm concerned that

the infection may continue to spread if I don't do something. I'm finding it

hard to trust my body to take care of things itself in time in this case. It

may be that I don't need to do anything else, but that's not an easy thing to

know.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

> -

> Heather Andersen

> RawSeattle

> Monday, August 30, 2004 5:36 AM

> Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

>

> Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down in

the first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

>

> Best wishes and speedy recovery!

>

> -Heather/starrrie

>

> Nick <nick.hein wrote:

> Good morning,

> In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday I

was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to have

become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours since

it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the

elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open

for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

>

>

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Hi Nick,

 

Homeopathic " Apis " is a terrific aid for stings. My son reacts

similarly to what you've described, and Apis prevents big

reactions. It doesn't mask the symptoms, either, but aids the body

in it's own defense. You can find homeopathics at many health food

stores, and elsewere.

 

Let me know if you want to know more about it.

 

Tina

 

RawSeattle , " Nick " <nick.hein@v...> wrote:

> Good morning,

> In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but

yesterday I was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest

and it appears to have become infected. The sting is on top of my

left wrist and in the 24 hours since it occurred I've experienced

swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward the elbow). It is 5 AM

here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be open for a

few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered

antibiotic, but kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones).

Is there something else that would act quickly so the swelling

doesn't spread further, yet won't do collateral harm to my raw

constitution?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

>

>

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Nora,

Thanks for the quick response. I just got back from the doctor (a bike riding

acquaintance and holistic specialist who has just recovered from cancer) and

after expressing my distrust of commercial chemical medicines, was prescribed

Russtox tablets. I had some in liquid form at home from a prior poison ivy

encounter. They prescribed 5 of the tablets 3 times a day, and to put the

liquid on the surface.

 

Your recommendation sounds sensible. I understand that resting and fasting will

free more energy for healing, however it also seems from your explanation that

exercising would increase blood flow and speed elimination of toxins. In the

past (pre-raw) I've found that I recover from colds quicker when I'm exercising

as long as it isn't too strenuous. Would green juice be a good idea? If not I

assume plenty of water would be helpful.

 

Someone else on the list had expressed the opinion that I might be having an

alergic reaction, but from what I read during some quick research it doesn't

appear to be.

 

Thanks again.

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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Nora Lenz

RawSeattle

Monday, August 30, 2004 10:10 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

 

 

Hi Nick,

Sorry to hear about your encounter. I understand it's hard to get over

the idea that we have to assist the body when it's trying to overcome a problem,

especially when we're suffering. It helps to understand what's going on. Your

injury is not " infected " . The body rushes fluids to the area to dilute the

poisons, while it ushers them into your bloodstream, on to your organs of

elimination and out of your body. To control the circulation in the area with

ice or remedies is to stop the body from doing what it needs to do. You can see

how this course of action would actually slow down your healing, rather than

help it. To speed healing, it is important that you get out of the way, by

resting (and slightly elevating) the affected

area, and NOT EATING. When we do have an injury that gets " infected " , the

reason is that the bloodstream is so polluted with the waste products of

undigested food that the cells can't function like they're supposed to, which

complicates and slows healing. Bacteria come along to eat the waste in a

cooperative attempt to purify the bloodstream, and they get falsely accused of

causing the mess. The real culprit is the waste.

Hope this catches you before you go off to the doctor. Take care!

Nora

 

 

Nick wrote:

 

> Heather,

> Thanks for the quick reply. I've been putting ice on it since I got up this

morning (about 2 hours ago). That's eased the discomfort but I'm concerned that

the infection may continue to spread if I don't do something. I'm finding it

hard to trust my body to take care of things itself in time in this case. It

may be that I don't need to do anything else, but that's not an easy thing to

know.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

> -

> Heather Andersen

> RawSeattle

> Monday, August 30, 2004 5:36 AM

> Re: [RawSeattle] Infected wasp sting

>

> Perhaps Ice? It's good for keeping most other varieties of swelling down

in the first few days of an injury (as my naturopath has suggested in the past).

>

> Best wishes and speedy recovery!

>

> -Heather/starrrie

>

> Nick <nick.hein wrote:

> Good morning,

> In 3 years since going raw I haven't had to visit a doctor, but yesterday

I was stung by a wasp while trying to remove a ground nest and it appears to

have become infected. The sting is on top of my left wrist and in the 24 hours

since it occurred I've experienced swelling about 12 inches up the arm (toward

the elbow). It is 5 AM here on the East coast and our holistic doctor won't be

open for a few more hours anyway so I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a

remedy. I know that garlic and onion are generally considered antibiotic, but

kill bacteria indiscriminately (good or bad ones). Is there something else that

would act quickly so the swelling doesn't spread further, yet won't do

collateral harm to my raw constitution?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Nickolas Hein

> Morgantown WV

>

>

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