Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2004 " Lou & Dr. Bob Wynman at Lake Tahoe " To: Dead gurus don't lie Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:50:48 -0700 Interesting notes from Madelyn & Dr. Bernarr: --bob www.wynman.com WHY FOREMOST RAW FOOD & NATURAL HYGIENE ADVOCATES NEEDLESSLY DIED Some of the foremost Natural Hygiene teachers, advocates, writers and practitioners of fasting and the raw food lifestyle, suffered needlessly and died prematurely from illnesses that they did not know how to help heal. They did not know how to properly fast nor how to physiologically rest. Some of these famous Natural Hygiene fasting practitioners, raw food advocates, writers and teachers who suffered needlessly and died prematurely, not knowing how to help heal themselves nor how to properly fast nor physiologically rest, were Dr. Herbert M. Shelton, who died of Parkinson's Disease, T.C. Fry, who died of Cardio-Vascular-Pulmonary Dysfunction, Dr. Christopher Gian-Cursio, who died of Congestive Heart Failure, Dr. Robert Gross, who died of Pancreatic and Brain Cancer, Dr. Gerald Benesh. who died of Alzheimer's Disease, Dr. William Esser, who died shortly after electively choosing to enter a medically oriented hospital, because he felt acutely ill, etc. When these aforesaid Natural Hygiene practitioners, advocates, teachers and writers had fasted, they should have physiologically rested, with their eyes closed, lying down and doing " feeling " meditation on their symptoms until they were asymptomatic. They would have helped heal themselves, completely and permanently, if they had physiologically rested, when they fasted. These aforesaid Natural Hygiene practitioners, advocates, teachers and writers did not know how to fast correctly their own bodies but nevertheless they taught others improperly how to fast. LIES ABOUT HEALTH GURUS BRAGG & WALKER LIVING TO VERY OLD AGE Paul Bragg, natural health guru, was not 95 when he died, but was in his late 70's years of age, when he died. Norman Walker, natural health guru, was not 117 when he died, but was about 100 years of age when he died. ONLY HE WHO CAN, SHOULD TEACH Uta Hagen, USA actress and acting teacher, disagreed with British writer George Bernard Shaw's pronouncement " He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. " Uta Hagen said, " Only he who can, should teach. " DR BERNARR drbernarr http://www.healself.org To: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:12 PM [iNHS] plenty to learn > Topic: Demised Health Gurus-- Dead gurus don't lie > > > " It might be wise to kick off this column on health with a cautionary > tale. > > Dr Paavo Airola was once the best-known health expert in the United > States. > His books were international best-sellers. In 1983 Dr Airola offered to > publish a health book I had written in the US. > > We corresponded to this end for some time. But then he stopped writing. > Weeks went by, then months. Eventually I assumed that Dr Airola had got > cold feet. > > Little did I realise how cold. Ultimately a letter arrived from his > office. > > America's most acclaimed longevity specialist - author of How To Get Well > and How to Keep Slim, Healthy and Young With Juice Fasting - had died of > a > stroke at 64. This was more than a decade short of 74.5, the average age > of > male mortality. > > Paavo Airola had opened the batting for an epidemic of premature death > among longevity experts. > > Next cab off the rank, in 1985, was Nathan Pritikin - who suicided as > leukemia overtook him, at 69. Australian health writer Ross Horne, a > friend > of Pritikin's, says he would have lived years longer had he only embraced > 'Man's natural diet', fruitarianism. > > T.C. Fry - leader of the Natural Hygiene movement in the US - did exactly > this, when ill-health hit him in his late sixties. He even died a > fruitarian: at the age of 70, of a pulmonary embolism. > > Longevity experts seem to expire earlier than everyone except rock stars > - > who leave us, according to a recent US survey, on average at 36.9 years. > > But rock stars can have dangerous lifestyles. (Of the 317 surveyed, 40 > died > of drug overdose, 36 suicided, 22 died in plane accidents, and 18 were > murdered.) Longevity experts should have no such excuse. > > So how to explain this epidemic? Was exercise the missing ingredient? > Probably not: most of these people at least walked a lot. Paavo Airola > was > a jogger. > > So, too, was Jim Fixx. Indeed Fixx founded the jogging cult in the USA, > with his 1977 Complete Book of Running . One chapter is a scorching > repudiation of a Playboy article titled Jogging Can Kill You . > > In 1984 Jim Fixx was felled by a heart attack as he jogged through the > streets near his home. He was 52. > > Should Fixx have read up on the world famous brothers, Drs William and > Evan > Shute, who proclaimed that heart disease could be prevented with Vitamin > E? > > Maybe not. In 1981, whilst continuing to lecture on the prevention of > heart > disease with Vitamin E, Dr William Shute developed heart disease, and > died > after a bypass operation. Dr Evan Shute pre-deceased him by a short > period. > > The author JI Rodale - founder of Prevention magazine - had a more > comprehensive answer to the problem of heart disease, and other > illnesses. > He preached a spectrum of minerals and vitamins, and an organic diet. I > asked American raw food writer Bob Avery how Rodale's story ended: > > > " He died of a heart attack during taping of the Dick Cavett TV talk show, > shortly after he had completed his interview. He was 72. During the > interview he stated his intention to live to 100. The talk show host > thought he had dozed off in his chair. " > > > George Ohsawa, inventor of Macrobiotics ( " the way of long life " ) had a > more > comprehensive approach still: embodying spiritual as well as nutritional > values. He expired of lung cancer at 73. > > Adele Davis sold ten million copies of 'Let's Eat Right' and a string of > other best-sellers through the 1960s and 1970s. Davis came from the 'high > protein' generation which preceded today's high carbohydrate orthodoxy. > She > used to say she had never seen anyone die of cancer who drank a quart of > milk a day, as she did. > > Adele Davis died of cancer in 1974, aged 70. The average age of female > mortality is 81. > > A serious high protein aficionado was author Vilhjalmur Stephansson, who > ate an all-meat diet. He developed serious cardiovascular disease. > Britain's Sir Francis Chichester, lone sailor and fitness book author, > died > of spinal cancer in 1972, aged 70. American health author Dr Stuart > Berger, > who advocated vitamins, minerals and exercise, died of a heart attack at > 40. > > A few longevity experts did live long lives. (Paul Bragg, 95. Dr Norman > Walker, 108-117, depending on whom you believe.) But most did not even > make > the average for their gender - let alone the ton. And most made large > amounts of money from telling us how to prolong our lives. > > So what killed them? Perhaps the high-carbohydrate diet helped dispatch > some. (As we shall see next week, this orthodoxy is now coming into > question.) Others, like Paavo Airola, had health traumas early in life. > But > that's not an excuse for the pattern. (The SAD eaters whose deaths make > up > the averages were exposed to a comparable range of stresses.) > > And there were, of course, those who just did not follow their own rules. > > I asked veteran American health writer Ric Lambart about Adelle Davis: > > > " She simply led a very self-destructive life. She did some of the very > same > things she urged others not to do: smoke and drink... In fact, when I > first > met her, it was Paavo who introduced us, and he had to locate her in a > busy > hotel - so he went right to the bar, where she was engaged nurturing a > drink that was clearly not some sort of fruit drink. " > > > Ric also had something to say about that least considered factor > contributing to early death: chronic stress. Herbert Shelton - the first > doyen (before TC Fry) of the Natural Hygiene movement in the US - was > perennially hounded by the medical establishment. Shelton > > > " ...never got out from behind the " eight ball, " stress-wise... He was > constantly overworked and engaged in extreme legal warfare. The medical > establishment over here did all they could at every turn to put him out > of > business and in prison. " > > > But there was also the fact that Shelton " apparently did not consume a > natural diet himself. " > > Ric Lambart also knew TC Fry: > > > " Terry Fry...was under unrelenting stress and never got out of one legal > battle or confrontation before he was engaged in a new one. He spread > much > good information, though, so should be considered as one of those who > contributed some good gospel to the Alternative Health field. He burned > his > candle at both ends, so, almost predictably, passed away prematurely. " > > > Most of the above pundits condemned 'crackpot' and 'fad' diets (that is, > diets other than their own). To be fair, some of them undoubtedly > contributed a piece or two to the slow-forming jigsaw of health. (Even > getting people to think about nutrition in the 1950s and 1960s was an > achievement.) > > Collectively, however, their premature exits cast a humbling shadow over > our present certainties. Are dietary principles as transient as those of > (say) political correctness? > > Perhaps these mournful departures should make us more modest in our > assessment of our own understanding. And less fevered in our judgment of > those who differ from us. > > In the coming weeks we'll look at a range of exciting new ideas in > health. > Hopefully they will give you some 'Eureka moments', as they did me. > > But it would be good to remember that no-one has a monopoly on knowledge. > > Many who have thought themselves to be on the one true path have > found > out otherwise in their final hours. " Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2004 Good points about the passed gurus. As I've mentioned before regarding people who have had problems with the raw food diet, there are many factors and we may not know the exact diet they were on, nor other factors in their lives, such as fasting and exercise, etc. One thing I will say about Dr. Barnarr's comments. It is certainly not up to me to decide those dead gurus " did not know " something. It may be true. However, it may also be true that they did know the benefits and chose not to follow those practices or made other choices in life priorities over fasting, etc. I know there have been times where I wanted to do extended fasts, but had made other commitments and would not be able to relax in bed for an extended fast, while honoring those commitments. So, I suggest it may not be lack of knowledge, but lack of proper choices, that led to early deaths. Jeff (I'm still working on better choices) >suffered needlessly and >died prematurely from illnesses that they did not know how to help heal. >They did not know how to properly fast nor how to physiologically rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2004 >> Paul Bragg, natural health guru, was not 95 when he died, but was in his late 70's years of age, when he died. I had the original Paul Bragg book about fasting. I don’t know when it was written, but I got it about 20 years ago. According to that book he ate some bad quality fish, got sick, and died in his 70’s. There was nothing about apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. Paul Bragg did not drink apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. His daughter sold right to edit his books to a company which makes apple cider vinegar and liquid aminos. According to a new version of his books, he died after surfing accident when he was 95 years old. These false information now allover the internet. I compared the old version of his book about fasting with the new version. Most of the contents of the old book is untouched except the addition that Bragg was recommending apple cider vinegar (almost on every page). illa szakacs <illa88 wrote: " Lou & Dr. Bob Wynman at Lake Tahoe " To: Dead gurus don't lie Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:50:48 -0700 Interesting notes from Madelyn & Dr. Bernarr: --bob www.wynman.com WHY FOREMOST RAW FOOD & NATURAL HYGIENE ADVOCATES NEEDLESSLY DIED Some of the foremost Natural Hygiene teachers, advocates, writers and practitioners of fasting and the raw food lifestyle, suffered needlessly and died prematurely from illnesses that they did not know how to help heal. They did not know how to properly fast nor how to physiologically rest. Some of these famous Natural Hygiene fasting practitioners, raw food advocates, writers and teachers who suffered needlessly and died prematurely, not knowing how to help heal themselves nor how to properly fast nor physiologically rest, were Dr. Herbert M. Shelton, who died of Parkinson's Disease, T.C. Fry, who died of Cardio-Vascular-Pulmonary Dysfunction, Dr. Christopher Gian-Cursio, who died of Congestive Heart Failure, Dr. Robert Gross, who died of Pancreatic and Brain Cancer, Dr. Gerald Benesh. who died of Alzheimer's Disease, Dr. William Esser, who died shortly after electively choosing to enter a medically oriented hospital, because he felt acutely ill, etc. When these aforesaid Natural Hygiene practitioners, advocates, teachers and writers had fasted, they should have physiologically rested, with their eyes closed, lying down and doing " feeling " meditation on their symptoms until they were asymptomatic. They would have helped heal themselves, completely and permanently, if they had physiologically rested, when they fasted. These aforesaid Natural Hygiene practitioners, advocates, teachers and writers did not know how to fast correctly their own bodies but nevertheless they taught others improperly how to fast. LIES ABOUT HEALTH GURUS BRAGG & WALKER LIVING TO VERY OLD AGE Paul Bragg, natural health guru, was not 95 when he died, but was in his late 70's years of age, when he died. Norman Walker, natural health guru, was not 117 when he died, but was about 100 years of age when he died. ONLY HE WHO CAN, SHOULD TEACH Uta Hagen, USA actress and acting teacher, disagreed with British writer George Bernard Shaw's pronouncement " He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. " Uta Hagen said, " Only he who can, should teach. " DR BERNARR drbernarr http://www.healself.org Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2004 I'm not sure what the intent of spreading this information is, but to use it as an excuse not to live healthfully is not wise. It's not fair to lump Paul Bragg in with those who died of disease. I went to a lecture by Patricia Bragg in the early 80s, and she stated that Paul was very physically active up to his death. She intimated that he should of slowed down, and could of lived longer. She also noted that he was being attended to by paramedics after the accident at sea. He died while under their care (administering drugs). Two facts remain. Health experts do not know it all. They also do not always practice everything that they do know. Even so, there were benefits obtained from even an imperfect attempt at living healthfully. Ron Koenig RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote: > >> Paul Bragg, natural health guru, was not 95 when he died, but was in his late 70's years of age, when he died. > > I had the original Paul Bragg book about fasting. I don't know when it was written, but I got it about 20 years ago. > According to that book he ate some bad quality fish, got sick, and died in his 70's. There was nothing about apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. Paul Bragg did not drink apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. His daughter sold right to edit his books to a company which makes apple cider vinegar and liquid aminos. > According to a new version of his books, he died after surfing accident when he was 95 years old. These false information now allover the internet. > I compared the old version of his book about fasting with the new version. Most of the contents of the old book is untouched except the addition that Bragg was recommending apple cider vinegar (almost on every page). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2004 I would not waist my time to go to Patricia Bragg lectures, knowing what she did to her father's books. >> but to use it as an excuse not to live healthfully is not wise. It depends what you, Ron, mean by living healthfully. If you mean drinking vinegar and liquid aminos, then you should know that it has nothing to do with Paul Bragg, and actually might be not that healthy like you think. Ron Koenig <ron.koenig wrote:I'm not sure what the intent of spreading this information is, but to use it as an excuse not to live healthfully is not wise. It's not fair to lump Paul Bragg in with those who died of disease. I went to a lecture by Patricia Bragg in the early 80s, and she stated that Paul was very physically active up to his death. She intimated that he should of slowed down, and could of lived longer. She also noted that he was being attended to by paramedics after the accident at sea. He died while under their care (administering drugs). Two facts remain. Health experts do not know it all. They also do not always practice everything that they do know. Even so, there were benefits obtained from even an imperfect attempt at living healthfully. Ron Koenig RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote: > >> Paul Bragg, natural health guru, was not 95 when he died, but was in his late 70's years of age, when he died. > > I had the original Paul Bragg book about fasting. I don't know when it was written, but I got it about 20 years ago. > According to that book he ate some bad quality fish, got sick, and died in his 70's. There was nothing about apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. Paul Bragg did not drink apple cider vinegar or liquid aminos. His daughter sold right to edit his books to a company which makes apple cider vinegar and liquid aminos. > According to a new version of his books, he died after surfing accident when he was 95 years old. These false information now allover the internet. > I compared the old version of his book about fasting with the new version. Most of the contents of the old book is untouched except the addition that Bragg was recommending apple cider vinegar (almost on every page). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anne Laughton Report post Posted November 20, 2013 Let's see how long you live and how you die. You are a very ego driven person to think you have control over your time of death or for that matter how you will die. Many great teachers and doctors have changed and saved many lives regardless of their own fate.Any person with a brain would look at the many years of dedication and many healings these pioneers such as Dr. Christopher Gian Cursio has added to peoples lives. You are also very lazy in your research . Dr.Christopher Gian-Cursio was given a deathsentence bill of health when he was only in his twenties. Way before the time of holistic medicine ,he researched fasting and took it upon himself to save his own life and fasted 40 days and nights only drinking distilled water and resting. And save his life he did. With this new found discovery of cleansing his body and saving his own life , he dedicated his life in helping others and saving their lives as well. I was one one the people he saved.Fact in fact , it's irrelevant that he lived to his late 70's but that he lived almost 50 years longer than predicted by his conventional M.D. and during this time changed and saved thousands of peoples lives in the process including my own.How dare you create a negative implication of "Only who can should teach" .Who the hell are you? Obviously a no- body and a wanna- be to put down such a great doctor and use his name because your own name is insignificant. Dr. Cursio pre saw aids before the term was even in place and knew of it's causes. He was a genius and gifted in his ability to use nutrition and fasting as a main source of cleansing and repairing the body as a whole.You're a disgrace onto yourself and your lack of respect for the great masters that came before you such as Dr. Cursio shows me and others your own insecurity and jealousy . I can't wait to read about how you die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
