Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Dear Dr Krishna and Ms Welch, I just wanted to mean that all people who abuse animals(in wildlife trade or otherwise)have a right to present their case just like all criminals(including robbers and rapists and serial killers)are legally entitled to trial before indictment. This is where human rights comes in. Listening to a wildlife trader does not mean supporting his vocation. We could carry on this issue till the cows come home, but in case we differ, I think it is better we just agree to diasgree. Many thanks for writing. Warm regards, Yours sincerely, On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 Dr.S.Chinny Krishna wrote : >Dear , > >I fully agree with you that we cannot think of animal rights without >considering human rights, but where exactly this enters the debate in >question is beyond me. > >S. Chinny Krishna > > > Ghosh [shubhobrotoghosh] >Friday, August 05, 2005 12:48 PM >aapn >Re: wildlife consumption in Asia > >Dear Ms. Bartlett and Ms Welch and AAPN colleagues, > Your comments are >appreciated. I am not blaming any country or any individual in particular >but just trying to say that the wildlife trade issue is a complex global >one. I however do believe in healthy debate since most often leaving things >to 'the higher authorities' causes the problems in the first place. I also >do believe that unless you respect humans you cannot respect animals. In >short we cannot think of animal rights without considering human rights. >Thank you for your views and all the best in your work. > Best wishes and kind regards, > > Yours sincerely, > > > > >On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 Kim Bartlett wrote : > > In no way would I try to minimize the negative impact of the > >USA on consumption of natural resources globally. But it is a fact > >that Americans do not customarily eat exotic wildlife, and penalties > >are harsh when illegal wildlife traders are caught in the US. (Much > >of the illegal wildlife trade in the US involves the sale of bear > >gallbladders for Chinese medicine and fresh-water turtles for Chinese > >food markets.) There is a big problem with wealthy American trophy > >hunters (Germans, British and other Europeans, too) traveling to > >developing countries - mainly Africa - to hunt, with permission to > >import their trophies (some of protected species) usually granted by > >wildlife officials in the pro-hunting Bush administration, which > >argues that trophy hunting is " sustainable use " and approved by > >conservation groups such as the World Wildlife Fund. However, as > >deplorable as trophy hunting is, it is not a huge factor in the > >black market trade that is impacting Asian wildlife at this time. > > The US has huge numbers of tigers in captivity, but they were > >bred and born in captivity. The US is not importing wild-caught > >tigers (except for possible use in Species Survival plans), and any > >American caught eating or wearing tiger remains would be socially > >ostracized, apart from legal penalties. Tigers poached in India have > >their skins sold to Tibet with their salable body parts sent mainly > >to Taiwan for use in Chinese traditional medicines. The Peoples > >Republic of China (mainland China) has cracked down on the trade in > >tigers and elephants, but so far has done nothing significant to > >curb the sale of wildlife for human consumption in Cantonese markets, > >and my point was that as long as it is legal to sell and eat exotic > >wildlife species in Guangdong, the demand will be supplied. > > Deforestation for meat production has an enormous > >environmental impact in Latin America and Africa, but meat > >consumption is not yet considered an environmental issue by > >mainstream environmental organizations. It is also worth noting that > >per capita Asian meat consumption is rising as per capita meat > >consumption falls in the US and western Europe (where there are the > >most McDonald's). > > The US can be blamed for much that is wrong in the world, and > >I have always been one of the first to criticize American politics, > >policies and practices, but blaming America for the " black market in > >Asian endangered species " is unjustifiable and will not contribute to > >solving the problem. > > --Kim Bartlett > > > > > > > > > " Ghosh " <shubhobrotoghosh > > >Sender: aapn > > >4 Aug 2005 09:51:38 -0000 > > >Re: BLACK MARKET IN ASIAN ENDANGERED SPECIES > > > " Ghosh " <shubhobrotoghosh > > > > > >Dear colleagues, > > > Whereas there can be no doubt that China is a major > > >consumer of wildlife products and animals, I would beg to differ on > > >the notion that 'When it comes to the wildlife trade, all roads lead > > >to China'. I would like to remind everyone that the world's number > > >one consumer of natural resources is USA and not China(Ref: THE > > >FUTURE OF LIFE by Edward Wilson, STUPID WHITE MEN by Michael Moore). > > >All wildlife trade routes definitely do not lead to China since > > >there are more tigers in USA in captivity than any other > > >country(Ref: the Patrick Brown and Alan Green interviews). The > > >Chinese are not responsible for creating MacDonalds to wipe out > > >rainforests all over the world to fatten cattle for beef burgers. > > >The Chinese were not responsible for dropping napalm bombs in > > >Vietnam to destroy forests and endangered species, the Americans > > >were. Pointing fingers to one country and saying 'They are > > >responsible' does not help the animals or humans. No one is absolved > > >of guilt on the issue of animal mistreatment anywhere. > > > Best wishes and kind regards, > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Kim Bartlett, Publisher of ANIMAL PEOPLE Newspaper > >Postal mailing address: P.O. Box 960, Clinton WA 98236 U.S.A. > >CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESS IS: <ANPEOPLE > >Website: http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/ with French and Spanish > >language subsections. > > > > > > > > > > > >For more information on Asian animal issues, please use the search feature >on the AAPN website: http://www.aapn.org/ or search the list archives at: >aapn > >Please feel free to send any relevant news or comments to the list at >aapn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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