[100% veg*n ] deaths from other than farm animals

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Brad, I spent lots of time researching the animals killed in some plant

foods production.

http://www.geocities.com/holist2002/MorePeacefulDiet.html

 

there are also regular deaths from vehicles on roads, deforestation to make

room for buildings, and roads aquisition of coal and oil and metals

 

then there's the regular deaths from animals in polluted waters from

industries making products. air pollution from burning coal, oil kill

animals and people. generally anything that's connected to an infrastructure

that contains machinery or products of machinery has caused harm, and

usually deaths.

 

 

 

 

 

and here are some ideas I've collected for another list:

 

-Gardening will help with many harms.

Using self-watering containers like the EarthBox, http://www.earthbox.com/

will make gardening more efficient and more productive, and easier and

requiring less time. After filling with dirt and planting, it only

requires a few minutes to refill them with water every other day. They

produce much larger plants than ground-grown ones (my brussell sprouts are 3

times as large as my ground-grown ones, and my kale and collard are much

larger than that even). They also eliminate mole/vole, etc problems, and

use less water, and you can use zero pesticides, etc. And get the freshest

food)

I buy my organic seeds from www.seedsofchange.com

 

info on how to grow and how to harvest any plant

http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/index.html

how to handle pests organically

http://www.ourgardenpests.com/

email groups on organic gardening

/search?query=organic+gardening

 

-sprouting grains/seeds/beans will increase their mass and their nutrition =

requiring less harvested material for a meal. Sprouting also

reduces/eliminates anti-enzymes so the nutrion is more available and

absorbed better.

There are many sprouters available

http://www.sproutpeople.com/devices/index.html

and many places to get sprouting seeds/grains/beans I get bulk 5lb bags of

seeds from www.sprouthouse.com

I highly recommend Easy Sprout, http://www.sproutamo.com/ it evenly sprouts

all the seed/grain/bean because of the excellent air-flow. It uses the air

and heat to sprout much faster than other devices- 2-3 days. And requires

only 2 steps- soaking the seeds, and draining that water. Pretty cheap as

well

http://www.sproutman.com/sprouts.html is an excellent book on all you need

to know to sprout very well, and some intro into the healthiness and

nutrition of it. very easy and pleasant read.

www.sproutpeople.com is also a great site for info, and they'll give you

email help with general sprouting questions

 

Some states offer renewable energy providers. I (in PA) use Green Mountian

and get all my household energy from renewable sources

http://www.greenmountain.com/index.jsp

 

Also you can buy solar cells, wind generators, or water turbines to produce

some, or all, of your energy.

And thanks to state incentives, and tax deducations, this can cost less than

you'd think.

A family in Maryland cut their CO2 emissions by 90%, cut their grid-energy

use by 70%, and all for less than $8,000. and after they've paid their loan

off (costing them $40/month), they'll be paying $1,000 less for their energy

bills than they previously were

http://www.dsireusa.org/ find state incentives here

http://www.realgoods.com/renew/ this groups will help you with any

questions you have on renewable energy sources, more efficient appliances,

etc. They can even come out to your house if your considering to install a

big system. They have everything from LED bulbs, solar power attic fans,

systems to deposit your sink water outdoors, to solar cells, wind

generators, and water turbines

 

ideas to make your own power, reduce energy use http://www.homepower.com/

 

specific ways to reduce energy use (and reduce energy costs)

http://www.eren.doe.gov/consumerinfo/energy_savers/index.html

dept of energy info-

http://www.eren.doe.gov/

 

 

 

 

but put it in persepctive....

 

I once went around at college and put recycling stickers on the recycling

containers. The amount of material actually did increase for most of the

containers after the stickers were on. There was pollution incurred by

creating the stickers, but there was also likely even more harm avoided by

having more material recycled instead of virgin material being mined and

processed.

 

Reminds me of the gov't people who left the Bush Administration because of

all the environmental issues being worsened by Bush/Cheney. Those people

who value the environment (which includes our air, water, and soil, as well

as the same and habitat for animals) are the people we need more of in

gov't.

By leaving the gov't they aren't able to make things better than they'd

otherwise be.

.....*It's important to keep caring about the things that matter, and to make

them better than they'd otherwise be*...

 

 

Now, lets focus on understanding, and see how we can reduce the harms. If

it weren't for folks who care, things would be much much worse. It's up to

us to keep things from slipping into oblivion, or to try try even more and

make things go in a good direction

 

 

 

 

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" kiwi2000 " <kiwi2000

<vegan-network >

Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:21 PM

Re: [100% veg*n ] noire ou blanc?

 

 

> How's that?

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> Ashley Hooper

> vegan-network

> Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:09 PM

> [100% veg*n ] noire ou blanc?

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> >I'm not judging or saying that meat eaters are Nazis.

> >To me murder is murder. If death of the innocent is the ultimate result

> >does it matter much how the killer felt or why he killed or

> >that he will keep on killing? To me an animals' life is as precious as

> >a humans' life.

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> Many animals are killed in the production and transportation of vegan

foods. Where do you draw the line?

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> It's not as simple as you'd like it to be.

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