Plant-based PnP

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Several years ago I changed my meat based junk food diet for a

plant-based diet. I was still sugar sensitive but that change made me

feel better. I would become accostumed to eating lot of greens, huge

salads, whole grains soups and fresh fruits. It made me feel lean,

light and more connected to the wild and the natural world. People

would comment on my clear skin and calm attitude. Unfortunately I made

the mistake of starting consuming lot of pasta and bread which ruined

the diet and worsened my sugar sensitivity.

 

Eventually I found PnP and started to address my sugar sensitivity.

Reading how important proteins were I thought I wasn't getting enough

and switched to a more animal based diet. This didn't work. I gained

fat in my waist and felt heavy. I don't mean as in heavy because of

the gained weight but in a more subtle way, as if saturated by something.

 

Now I'd like to go back to the diet that made me feel the best ever

while at the same time following the PnP program.

It's not just the vegetarian diet I like but the plant-based diet

meaning less grains, pasta, bread, oils, fried or refined foods and

more greens, veggies, fruits, nuts and such. I don't want to rely

excessively on soy as I don't digest soy foods well and I don't have

access to tofu and such (just to soy beans, milk and dehydrated soy)

and want to keep the occasional free range eggs to a nimimum.

 

Can you help me to design my PnP vegetarian diet? Thank you in

advance

[Guest guest]

,

" jc.jimmydamian " & #13; & #10;<jc.jimmydamian wrote: & #13; & #10;> & #13; & #10;> Hi

everyone, & #13; & #10;> Several years ago I changed my meat based junk food diet

for a & #13; & #10;> plant-based diet. I was still sugar sensitive but that change

made me & #13; & #10;> feel better. I would become accostumed to eating lot of

greens, huge & #13; & #10;> salads, whole grains soups and fresh fruits. It made me

feel lean, & #13; & #10;> light and more connected to the wild and the natural

world. People & #13; & #10;> would comment on my clear skin and calm attitude.

Unfortunately I made & #13; & #10;> the mistake of starting consuming lot of pasta

and bread which ruined & #13; & #10;> the diet and worsened my sugar

sensitivity. & #13; & #10;> & #13; & #10;> Eventually I found PnP and started to

address my sugar sensitivity. & #13; & #10;> Reading how important proteins were I

thought I wasn't getting enough & #13; & #10;> and switched to a more animal based

diet. This didn't work. I gained & #13; & #10;> fat in my waist and felt heavy. I

don't mean as in heavy because of & #13; & #10;> the gained weight but in a more

subtle way, as if saturated by & #13; & #10;something. & #13; & #10;> & #13; & #10;> Now

I'd like to go back to the diet that made me feel the best ever & #13; & #10;> while

at the same time following the PnP program. & #13; & #10;> It's not just the

vegetarian diet I like but the plant-based diet & #13; & #10;> meaning less grains,

pasta, bread, oils, fried or refined foods and & #13; & #10;> more greens, veggies,

fruits, nuts and such. I don't want to rely & #13; & #10;> excessively on soy as I

don't digest soy foods well and I don't have & #13; & #10;> access to tofu and such

(just to soy beans, milk and dehydrated soy) & #13; & #10;> and want to keep the

occasional free range eggs to a nimimum. & #13; & #10;> & #13; & #10;> Can you help me

to design my PnP vegetarian diet? Thank you in & #13; & #10;>

advance & #13; & #10;> & #13; & #10;I've just come back to PnP and am eating a mainly

vegetarian diet & #13; & #10;because of food availability. One of my staple sources

of protein is & #13; & #10;peanut butter -natural is the best if you can get it.

Also any forms & #13; & #10;of beans and legumes. One of my favorites is cottage

cheese - I eat & #13; & #10;it for lunch mixed 1/2 and 1/2 with yogurt and mashed

fruit. & #13; & #10;Good luck on finding the right mix of food for you. I'm with

you on & #13; & #10;eating natural foods as opposed to chemical

alternatives. & #13; & #10;A. & #13; & #10;

[Guest guest]

Hi there,Welcome to the list! Isn't it great to discover the Potatoes not Prozac

book and be able to put a name to sugar sensitivity? It was like a big piece of

the puzzle just fell into place the day that I started to read the book.

The first step is eating breakfast. The four parts of breakfast are:

 

*Enough protein for your body (divide your weight in pounds by 6 - that is how

many grams of protein you need)

*With a serving of a complex carbohydrate (or brown, as we say)

*Every day

*Within an hour of waking

 

There are many vegetarian protein options. Eggs, cottage cheese, and protein

powder all come to mind. For carbohydrates, there is a wide range too - whole

wheat bread, oatmeal, beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, brown rice, wild rice,

brown rice pasta, and much more.

 

You might find that as you get steady, some of the foods you have counted out do

not really make you feel bad, it's just the unhealed sugar sensitivity (which

can be quite the confounding variable). For example, early on in RR, I was

sensitive to grains. I overate them all the time. But once I steadied out, I no

longer have that reaction and they do not trigger me at all.

 

What worked for me was keeping an open mind and trying the suggestions from

people in the community even if it sounded strange or different from what I was

used to doing.

 

What would work for breakfast for you?Tina

 

 

: jc.jimmydamian: Thu, 15

May 2008 15:16:19 +0000 Plant-based PnP

 

 

 

 

Hi everyone,Several years ago I changed my meat based junk food diet for

aplant-based diet. I was still sugar sensitive but that change made mefeel

better. I would become accostumed to eating lot of greens, hugesalads, whole

grains soups and fresh fruits. It made me feel lean,light and more connected to

the wild and the natural world. Peoplewould comment on my clear skin and calm

attitude. Unfortunately I madethe mistake of starting consuming lot of pasta and

bread which ruinedthe diet and worsened my sugar sensitivity.Eventually I found

PnP and started to address my sugar sensitivity.Reading how important proteins

were I thought I wasn't getting enoughand switched to a more animal based diet.

This didn't work. I gainedfat in my waist and felt heavy. I don't mean as in

heavy because ofthe gained weight but in a more subtle way, as if saturated by

something. Now I'd like to go back to the diet that made me feel the best

everwhile at the same time following the PnP program. It's not just the

vegetarian diet I like but the plant-based dietmeaning less grains, pasta,

bread, oils, fried or refined foods andmore greens, veggies, fruits, nuts and

such. I don't want to relyexcessively on soy as I don't digest soy foods well

and I don't haveaccess to tofu and such (just to soy beans, milk and dehydrated

soy)and want to keep the occasional free range eggs to a nimimum.Can you help me

to design my PnP vegetarian diet? Thank you inadvance

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Welcome to the list! hoping to hear more of your breakfast plans.

 

I think I started off in a similar place , in a way, I was eating

proteins and vegetables and very little in the way of 'browns'.

 

As I carried on though I discovered how very well the step 2 journal

helped me decide what really suited me best. Not so much early on,

but as part of step 7, when I'd settled a bit and could see clearly.

 

so - its like *you* get to design your own PnP vegetarian diet -

because you will be doing exactly what suits you as an individual.

And keeping in touch with fellow sugar sensitives made all the

difference for me too.

 

that process starts right at step 1.

 

I see you are milk sensitive? but how about whey? Kathleens Restore

powder is often ok for people. and the store delivers all over,

Europe too.

 

 

for breakfast at the moment ( I do change about now and then) I like

a shake, that takes care of my protein grams, I have coconut milk in

it, and my brown on the side is sweet potato. Olive oil, salt and

pepper on it.

 

what are your favourite breakfast foods?

 

mosaic

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jc.jimmydamian "

<jc.jimmydamian wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

> Several years ago I changed my meat based junk food diet for a

> plant-based diet. I was still sugar sensitive but that change made

me

> feel better. I would become accostumed to eating lot of greens, huge

> salads, whole grains soups and fresh fruits. It made me feel lean,

> light and more connected to the wild and the natural world. People

> would comment on my clear skin and calm attitude. Unfortunately I

made

> the mistake of starting consuming lot of pasta and bread which

ruined

> the diet and worsened my sugar sensitivity.

>

> Eventually I found PnP and started to address my sugar sensitivity.

> Reading how important proteins were I thought I wasn't getting

enough

> and switched to a more animal based diet. This didn't work. I gained

> fat in my waist and felt heavy. I don't mean as in heavy because of

> the gained weight but in a more subtle way, as if saturated by

something.

>

> Now I'd like to go back to the diet that made me feel the best ever

> while at the same time following the PnP program.

> It's not just the vegetarian diet I like but the plant-based diet

> meaning less grains, pasta, bread, oils, fried or refined foods and

> more greens, veggies, fruits, nuts and such. I don't want to rely

> excessively on soy as I don't digest soy foods well and I don't have

> access to tofu and such (just to soy beans, milk and dehydrated soy)

> and want to keep the occasional free range eggs to a nimimum.

>

> Can you help me to design my PnP vegetarian diet? Thank you in

> advance

>

[Guest guest]

Can you help me to design my PnP vegetarian diet? Thank you in

> advance

 

not sure if this helps, but mainly i've found i have to listen to my

body - i started pnp eating animal protein 3x/day - felt fine

(althouugh very ss) - over the almost 7 years of doing the program i've

gone to vegan and raw foods - failed miserably at both (although

wouldn't admit it) because my body need more tryptophan and whatever it

gets from animal products that are not flesh (eggs, cheese, yogurt,

whey protein) - also raw food diets rely heavily on dried fruit - too

sweet for me - i lost lots of weight on a " no animal products " plan but

emotionally was pretty miserable and not any fun to be around

 

i don't eat any soy due to low thyroid

 

so although the fantasy of no animal rpoducts is there, my body is much

happier with the way i currently eat, and i am more steady and radiant

 

leigh

[Guest guest]

, Tina Castronovo

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

>

> Hi there,Welcome to the list! Isn't it great to discover the

Potatoes not Prozac book and be able to put a name to sugar

sensitivity? It was like a big piece of the puzzle just fell into

place the day that I started to read the book.

> The first step is eating breakfast. The four parts of breakfast are:

>

> *Enough protein for your body (divide your weight in pounds by 6 -

that is how many grams of protein you need)

> *With a serving of a complex carbohydrate (or brown, as we say)

> *Every day

> *Within an hour of waking

>

> There are many vegetarian protein options. Eggs, cottage cheese, and

protein powder all come to mind. For carbohydrates, there is a wide

range too - whole wheat bread, oatmeal, beans, potatoes, sweet

potatoes, brown rice, wild rice, brown rice pasta, and much more.

>

> You might find that as you get steady, some of the foods you have

counted out do not really make you feel bad, it's just the unhealed

sugar sensitivity (which can be quite the confounding variable). For

example, early on in RR, I was sensitive to grains. I overate them all

the time. But once I steadied out, I no longer have that reaction and

they do not trigger me at all.

>

> What worked for me was keeping an open mind and trying the

suggestions from people in the community even if it sounded strange or

different from what I was used to doing.

>

> What would work for breakfast for you?Tina

 

Thanks Tina for replying

Of course it is great to know I'm sugar sensitive and I can relate to

it all like never finishing something I started, inpulsivity and yup

even loving office supply stores.

 

I'm a bit sensitive to grains but my reason to limit them is that out

of everything I have tried I feel my best when my diet is made mostly

of beans, nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies which is what they call

plant-based. Do I need to eat animal foods like eggs, cheese and whey

at every meal or I can get away with using nuts and beans as protein

sources?

 

The good thing is that my parents fed me a lot of veggies, soups and

veggie juices as a little child and although as a grade schooler I

began eating badly I have a deep ingrained love for fresh natural

foods and it's even a comfort food for me, yay

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

 

Everyone's body is different. What I do know is that my body really thrives on

having some animal protein sources to keep my steadiness. The thing that is

tough about nuts and beans is that they are not as protein dense as some other

protein sources, which means you have to eat a lot more of them to get the same

amount of protein. Why don't you experiment with breakfast and report back to us

on what you find??

 

Tina

 

 

 

 

I'm a bit sensitive to grains but my reason to limit them is that out

 

of everything I have tried I feel my best when my diet is made mostly

 

of beans, nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies which is what they call

 

plant-based. Do I need to eat animal foods like eggs, cheese and whey

 

at every meal or I can get away with using nuts and beans as protein

 

sources?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm similar to Tina. My body really prefers *some* animal protein.

Some days I eat 3 vegetarian meals, some days I have fish or meat for

a meal, not very often do I have meat or fish twice in a day.

 

I didn't eat meat for 25 years, the last 1.5 years of this time was

when I began this program. It was surprising to me when I started

thinking about eating meat again. But my body spoke clearly and she's

very happy with a bit of meat.

 

I make choices that fit my values and am fortunate to have access to

meats and fish that meet these values.

 

I don't know if I'll ever go back to eliminating meat from my diet;

I'll just keep listening to my body. It's fascinating to witness the

changes and to keep adjusting...that's a big part of my process. And

it's fun! Cinzia

 

, Tina Castronovo

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>

> Everyone's body is different. What I do know is that my body really

thrives on having some animal protein sources to keep my steadiness.

The thing that is tough about nuts and beans is that they are not as

protein dense as some other protein sources, which means you have to

eat a lot more of them to get the same amount of protein. Why don't

you experiment with breakfast and report back to us on what you find??

>

> Tina

>

>

>

>

> I'm a bit sensitive to grains but my reason to limit them is that out

>

> of everything I have tried I feel my best when my diet is made mostly

>

> of beans, nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies which is what they call

>

> plant-based. Do I need to eat animal foods like eggs, cheese and whey

>

> at every meal or I can get away with using nuts and beans as protein

>

> sources?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello,

 

I too find that I need to have a little meat or fish or eggs at least once every

other day or the world begins to feel difficult - I go slower, I'm more

reactive, just not steady. But I worked a long time to figure that out. As

Tina said, start with breakfast - what holds you, what doesn't? You can really

experiment and find out what your body wants.

 

Jess CO

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm a bit confused now.

Can you show me an example of a vegetarian day for a sugar sentive but

without soy meat substitute and whey? I will start to experiment with

that but I need some idea to start.

[Guest guest]

Jimmy,

 

Have you read any of the books?

 

kathleen

On May 20, 2008, at 10:41 AM, jc.jimmydamian wrote:

 

> I'm a bit confused now.

> Can you show me an example of a vegetarian day for a sugar sentive but

> without soy meat substitute and whey? I will start to experiment with

> that but I need some idea to start.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have read Potatoes not Prozac but couldn't find information on how

to follow the program as a vegetarian, this is what confuses me.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jimmy,

 

When new to the program, the best thing to do is start with step 1. There are

four parts to step 1 but the hard part for vegetarians is getting enough

protein. What dense protein sources could you have for breakfast? Let's start

there.

 

Tina

 

 

 

 

jc.jimmydamian

Tue, 20 May 2008 22:54:14 +0000

Re: Plant-based PnP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have read Potatoes not Prozac but couldn't find information on how

 

to follow the program as a vegetarian, this is what confuses me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, Tina Castronovo

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

>

> Hi Jimmy,

>

> When new to the program, the best thing to do is start with step 1.

There are four parts to step 1 but the hard part for vegetarians is

getting enough protein. What dense protein sources could you have for

breakfast? Let's start there.

>

> Tina

 

Often I can have beans, nuts, soy beans and eggs

Less often I can have seitan or tofu

Very rarely I can have cottage cheese

Never I can have whey or meat substitutes

[Guest guest]

OK, that's a good start. How much protein grams do you need? If you don't know

already - take your weight in pounds and divide it by 6. That's how many grams

of protein you'll need at breakfast.

 

Tina

 

 

Often I can have beans, nuts, soy beans and eggs

 

Less often I can have seitan or tofu

 

Very rarely I can have cottage cheese

 

Never I can have whey or meat substitutes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, Tina Castronovo

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

>

> OK, that's a good start. How much protein grams do you need? If you

don't know already - take your weight in pounds and divide it by 6.

That's how many grams of protein you'll need at breakfast.

>

> Tina

 

I need 20 grams of protein at breakfast

[Guest guest]

over on the left there in the blue box is a Files list, which gives

protein values of many vegetarian foods. I do sometimes have a

chickpea ( garbanzo) stew, but its a LOT of beans to plough through

 

is rice powder any good for shake for you? Dense proteins are good

for us. did you say no soy? thats a shame as tofu, etc is a good

dense option. Whats your body happiest with?

mosaic

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jc.jimmydamian "

<jc.jimmydamian wrote:

>

> , Tina Castronovo

> <tcastronovo18@> wrote:

> >

> > OK, that's a good start. How much protein grams do you need? If

you

> don't know already - take your weight in pounds and divide it by 6.

> That's how many grams of protein you'll need at breakfast.

> >

> > Tina

>

> I need 20 grams of protein at breakfast

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jessica

Would you share a couple of typical days of your diet, the ones with

the meals that make feel the more emotional balanced?

At this moment I'm not creative enough to design my diet but I think

we're similar and that what you eat will work for me too. If not I

will experiment and tweak starting from something solid like your food

log.

 

Thank you

 

 

 

> Hello,

>

> I too find that I need to have a little meat or fish or eggs at

least once every other day or the world begins to feel difficult - I

go slower, I'm more reactive, just not steady. But I worked a long

time to figure that out. As Tina said, start with breakfast - what

holds you, what doesn't? You can really experiment and find out what

your body wants.

>

> Jess CO

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rice powder is not something I find in the shops and supermarket.

Tofu I can have from time to time but it's hard to find.

But I don't like meat substitutes as they're too hard to find and

expensive but also very refined and full of unnatural stuff.

I'm not even sure what my body is happiest with but I notice that the

more natural food, ungodly amount of vegetables and fresh stuff I eat

the better I feel. So less refined stuff, less animal foods and less

grain products.

 

> over on the left there in the blue box is a Files list, which gives

> protein values of many vegetarian foods. I do sometimes have a

> chickpea ( garbanzo) stew, but its a LOT of beans to plough through

>

> is rice powder any good for shake for you? Dense proteins are good

> for us. did you say no soy? thats a shame as tofu, etc is a good

> dense option. Whats your body happiest with?

> mosaic

, " jc.jimmydamian "

> <jc.jimmydamian@> wrote:

> >

> > , Tina Castronovo

> > <tcastronovo18@> wrote:

> > >

> > > OK, that's a good start. How much protein grams do you need? If

> you

> > don't know already - take your weight in pounds and divide it by 6.

> > That's how many grams of protein you'll need at breakfast.

> > >

> > > Tina

> >

> > I need 20 grams of protein at breakfast

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jimmy, where do you live?

 

Tina

 

 

 

 

jc.jimmydamian

Thu, 22 May 2008 14:16:47 +0000

Re: Plant-based PnP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rice powder is not something I find in the shops and supermarket.

 

Tofu I can have from time to time but it's hard to find.

 

But I don't like meat substitutes as they're too hard to find and

 

expensive but also very refined and full of unnatural stuff.

 

I'm not even sure what my body is happiest with but I notice that the

 

more natural food, ungodly amount of vegetables and fresh stuff I eat

 

the better I feel. So less refined stuff, less animal foods and less

 

grain products.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Switzerland

 

, Tina Castronovo

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

>

> Jimmy, where do you live?

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

I wonder if you asked on RadiantEuro, someone may know about shopping

etc.

 

The store here is great for shipping overseas, as a lot of Brits and

Euros use it, is soy or whey is any good for intermittent use. or you

may try the rice one via internet? what do you think?

 

 

the great thing about this programme is we do what suits our bodies -

its tailor made to us personally.. But I did find it difficult to sort

out what actually suited me best until step 7. Until then I just wanst

steady enough.

 

thats why it was good for me to just do breakfast for a bit, and so on

 

how about eating what *you* want to eat, while working on breakfast?.

mosaic

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jc.jimmydamian "

<jc.jimmydamian wrote:

>

> Switzerland

>

> , Tina Castronovo

> <tcastronovo18@> wrote:

> >

> > Jimmy, where do you live?

> >

> > Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Well I like mosaic's suggestion of getting on the Euro list and asking for

program friendly shopping tips in your country, I'm sure they would be quite

helpful there.

 

I know it's tempting to want to do the program all at once (or have us lay it

out for you all at once!) and the best thing to do is just work on breakfast. So

why don't you try some different proteins in the morning and report back to us?

 

Tina

 

 

 

 

jc.jimmydamian

Thu, 22 May 2008 16:20:32 +0000

Re: Plant-based PnP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Switzerland

 

 

 

, Tina Castronovo

 

<tcastronovo18 wrote:

 

>

 

> Jimmy, where do you live?

 

>

 

> Tina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " mosaic " <mosaic58 wrote:

>

> I wonder if you asked on RadiantEuro, someone may know about shopping

> etc.

>

> The store here is great for shipping overseas, as a lot of Brits and

> Euros use it, is soy or whey is any good for intermittent use. or you

> may try the rice one via internet? what do you think?

 

What I can make with the rice powder?

[Guest guest]

Hey Jimmy,

 

Why not go over to http://www.radiantrecovery.com/hints.htm

 

Read some of the suggestions.

 

Part of the program is to help you learn how to do this. If we just

tell you the answers,

you don't get the fun of discovering what is right for you.

 

Does this make sense?

 

Warmly,

kathleen

On May 22, 2008, at 7:18 PM, jc.jimmydamian wrote:

 

> , " mosaic " <mosaic58

> wrote:

>>

>> I wonder if you asked on RadiantEuro, someone may know about shopping

>> etc.

>>

>> The store here is great for shipping overseas, as a lot of Brits and

>> Euros use it, is soy or whey is any good for intermittent use. or

>> you

>> may try the rice one via internet? what do you think?

>

> What I can make with the rice powder?

>