Guest guest Posted November 7, 2002 Report Posted November 7, 2002 Oh golly, thanks. Obviously, I have my politics in all the wrong places! Your post was offensive and demeaning in so many ways that I don't feel like exerting the energy to address it. I'm genuinely sorry you feel so much anger and animosity about the topic of tonight's slideshow. I'll leave it at this though--in my mind, all forms of oppression are linked and forging coalitions between groups/issues only serves to strengthen the push for human and animal freedom. Love, Nicole a proudly queer, fat, vegan animal right's activist SFBAVeg, Tim T <sfbayhooligan> wrote: > > " grrlburn " <Grrlburn> > >Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > > > ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 you rock, nicole! grrlburn <Grrlburn wrote:Oh golly, thanks. Obviously, I have my politics in all the wrong places! Your post was offensive and demeaning in so many ways that I don't feel like exerting the energy to address it. I'm genuinely sorry you feel so much anger and animosity about the topic of tonight's slideshow. I'll leave it at this though--in my mind, all forms of oppression are linked and forging coalitions between groups/issues only serves to strengthen the push for human and animal freedom. Love, Nicole a proudly queer, fat, vegan animal right's activist SFBAVeg, Tim T <sfbayhooligan> wrote: > > " grrlburn " <Grrlburn> > >Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > > > ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > *Got Questions? We got answers! See the SFBAVeg FAQ at http://www.generationv.org/faq.htm *SFBAVeg Charter: http://www.generationv.org/charter.htm Quote
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 It's nice to see Rush Limbaugh is a member of our list. >> " grrlburn " <Grrlburn >> Slideshow Reminder: 11/7 @ 8 pm > >> ANIMAL LIBERATION IS A WOMEN'S ISSUE!! > > I suppose that's a catchy phrase to simpletons, but > it's also an idiotic one, and more importantly, > detracts from the focus of non-human animals. > However, " Feminists for Animal Rights " is an idiotic > issue that poses a problem for all of us > non-simpletons who are concerned with animal rights. > >> Animal Rights Direct Action Coalition and Feminists >> for Animal Rights present: > >> ANIMAL LIBERATION THROUGH AN ECO-FEMINIST LENS >> a slideshow presentation > > An organized (?) group called Feminists for Animal > Rights?! Geez, I sure do love (and hate) the Bay > Area! > >> covering the history of patriarchal attitudes >> towards women and non-human animals. The show also >> highlights the parallels between the > objectification, >> exploitation and abuse of women and non-human > animals >> in contemporary society, from their role in >> pornographic media to the animal testing and >> slaughterhouse industries. > > Apparently I'm rather naive regarding the animal > pornography industry, just as I am regarding any > special involvement of female humans in the > vivisection & slaughterhouse operations. > > But the gaggle sounds like what in 'male > vernacular' would be considered a " CIRCLE-JERK! " Be > sure to get a permit from the fire department to burn > some bras, or maybe because the fire-department is > male-dominated ( & fire hoses are phallic symbols), > DON'T get a permit, and if the Fire Marshall issues > any citations, it's an example of blatant > harassment... > > > > Who are the evil males that launched PETA's > campaign a couple years back of some naked women -- > cute naked women, not fat, ugly naked women -- being > exploited as part of the PETA anti-fur campaign (and > speaking of fur, I could make a nice pun here...)? > That objectification by PETA Men fueled all sorts of > lust in us evil, heterosexual guys, while of course > any lesbians that got a positive charge out of it were > merely 'celebrating' the beauty of women's bodies (at > least that of pretty women like Pam Anderson). > > > GROW SOME BALLS, ECO-FEMME CHICKS (figuratively > only, please), and quit trying to link your own > real/perceived personal and societal inadequacies with > that of truly meaningful causes such as that of > (non-human) animal rights! Pity-parties like what's > going on tonight at " The Women's Building " will only > perpetuate the stereotype that women are weak > creatures who are unable to fend for themselves in > society. But then, I suppose that's what many > 'feminists' really want -- it's a convenient excuse > for failures. > > Instead of seeking shelter & solace at " The Women's > Building " & getting all worked up, how about doing > something which will focus on the real and true > protection of non-human animals? Remember, if us men > are truly powerful enough to have kept you women > repressed over the centuries, then you can't win a > fight against us powerful men, no matter how loud you > scream nor how many bras you burn. A real feminist > wouldn't be weak enough to need to form/join a > feminist fringe-group to plan & carry out animal > rights operations. > > So how about you tell the silly & self-serving > 'Feminists for Animal Rights' group to take a hike in > search of sensibility & respect, and while they're > doing that, the rest of us humans can get together and > focus on helping non-human animals. > > Then afterwards, I'll be happy to go out with > heterosexual males & lesbian females to the Hustler > Club, in order to help celebrate (worship!) the > feminine body and equally-important, the FREE-WILL > that women have to show off their bodies (often for a > lot of $$$ -- more $$$ than males doing the same thing > would get). No one had to empower them to do it, nor > force them to do it, despite what the fat/ugly/jealous > women who could never get hired at a place like that > would like the world to believe. > > Maybe while there, we can hold an unofficial > audition for another PETA media campaign! > > > I'd actually love to attend the *show* tonight. But > what's really funny is that I won't be able to attend > the ARDAC/FAR event nor a Hustler Club event tonight, > because I'll be putting in some time at an animal > shelter, then my girlfriend has *demanded* to be > allowed to come to my home tonight and help me clean > the place -- specifically my laundry room & bathroom, > while I assemble a desk & set up another room (talk > about stereotypes...)! We'll then go soak in a hot > tub, and come back here & go to sleep, after some > worshipping of each other's bodies. > > I pity those of you who can't find anything more > productive or rewarding to do than go to " The Women's > Building " (I wonder if the funder's, architects, > builders, and custodians are women?) & suffer though > some " eco-feminist " brainwashing to redirect some of > your focus away from the issue of animal rights. > > > Sincerely, > > Tim > Founder/sole member of the Bay Area Sensible Humanist > Male Empowerment (BASHME) > > > > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch./u2 > > *Got Questions? We got answers! See the SFBAVeg FAQ at > http://www.generationv.org/faq.htm > > *SFBAVeg Charter: http://www.generationv.org/charter.htm > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Posted November 8, 2002 On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 06:44 PM, Joseph Connelly wrote: > It's nice to see Rush Limbaugh is a member of our list. > Can't we all just... get along? -- tony Quote
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