Question

[Guest guest]

Hi Shelly,

 

I'm vegetarian, not vegan, and I only gained 13 1/2 lbs while pregnant. A

lot of stress -- my husband left when I was 5 months pregnant, etc......I

never told my doctor and he was perplexed the whole time why I wasn't

gaining weight. I was actually a little overweight to begin with, so I was

losing weight, but the baby was gaining fine. He was born totally healthy

at 6 lbs, 12 ounces, and I 'm really not trying to brag but to put your mind

at ease, I'll just say he's thriving -- doing thing early (or at the same

rate kids 3-4 months older than him are doing), so the lack of weight gain

didn't do him any harm.

 

I know several people, myself included, who didn't gain or even lost weight

in the first trimester -- it's totally normal no matter what your diet is.

And I've also heard that your baby's birth weight is usually about the same

as the mother's -- turned out to be true for me ( I weighed 6 lbs, 11 oz.)

 

For " morning " sickness try the sea sick bands they sell at the drugstore.

They worked wonders for me when I was having a horrible time. They apply

acupressure to your wrists-- just make sure you put them in the right

position.

 

With regard to the c-section, I took the Deepak Chopra natural childbirth

course (can't remember the exact name). So the instructor was very big on

birth plans and telling the nurses you didn't want to be hooked to a fetal

monitor, etc..... I ripped the fetal monitor off a couple of times and went

in the jacuzzi. After a few hours they wanted to monitor me again. Within

5 minutes the baby's heart rate went from 130 beats per minute to 50. I had

to have an emergency c-section -- very scary.

 

So while all the natural stuff is nice in a perfect world, I was glad I came

out of the jacuzzi when I did.

 

As I said before, everything ended fine. It turned out to be a placenta

abruption, but the baby was fine.

 

Good luck and try those sea sick bands!

 

Lori

 

Message: 5

Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:41:35 -0600

" Shelly Eades " <sgeades

RE: question

 

 

 

Hi,

 

I've been a spectator on this list for a while now. I really appreciate all

your input. I'm a " to be " vegetarian parent so that's why I signed up...to

start learning ahead of time. I'm now pregnant and I'm due in 6 months with

my first child. I'm vegan and intend to raise my child vegan or atleast

near-vegan. My question to all of you is a little off topic, but here it

goes. I would like to here from those who were pregnant while being vegan.

My gynacologist says I have to gain 30-35 pounds because I'm a thin person.

I'm going to shoot for it, but every story I read about where the mother is

vegan, the weight gain is only about 20 pounds. I'm past the first trimester

(no weight gain) and am still experiencing nausea which really interferes

with my appetite. I don't eat junk food and don't put weight on very easily

(even when I wasn't vegan/vegetarian). I'm worried that if weight gain is

slow, they'll start questioning my diet and I reeeeaaallly don't want to go

through all that. Any suggestions? What was your weight gain like? How

much did you gain and was it slow? What did you do to help with weight gain

and doctors?

 

Any experience you could share with me would be soooooo helpful. I can't

just have a home delivery because there's a very good chance that I must

have a C-section since my mother and my older sister had to have all of

their babies c-section because their pelvis was too small (genetics). I'm

suffering alot of anxiety over this right now. Please Help!!!!

Thanks!

 

Shelly

[Guest guest]

You know there is also another option...Some hospitals have facilities for

people who would like to have a natural birth with a mid-wife but the

hospital is there in case of emergencies. I had my last child naturally (I

have four) and I can not tell you the difference between the healing after a

natural birth and the healing after one with meds and an episiotomie. I was

up and around NO PROBLEM right after the birth. My husband couldn't believe

the difference. I was also told it would be better to have a c-section

after my first child (because I have huge babies) I have had all four vag

and I didn't run into any problems. Keep in mind once you have a c-section

they recommend that you ALWAYS get a c-section and you are not suppose to

have more than three. (This is shared with my by my sister who has always

gotten c-sections.) You will do great no matter what choice you make.

Pregnancy and birth are MEANT to be shared by women. You would be amazed at

what nature compensates for all by itself.

 

Many Blessings!

Renee

-

<clarkepf

 

Friday, September 07, 2001 7:23 PM

Re: question

 

 

In a message dated 9/7/01 6:11:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

sgeades writes:

 

 

> . I can't

> just have a home delivery because there's a very good chance that I must

> have a C-section since my mother and my older sister had to have all of

> their babies c-section because their pelvis was too small (genetics)

 

my friend these things and the weight gains are not true, Please go see a

midwife that does home deliveries. This does not mean that you have to have

your baby at home but I am sure that she will help you with all of these

worries. Please go to a large book store and get some of the good books that

help you work out fears and birth fears that you have picked up from your

mother. Sweetie you will not need to have a c, it is by no means easier than

doing the hard work of birthing your own baby. Stop reading all of those

trash books and mags written for people that have not yet learned to trust

themselves and think that it is easier to just turn themselves over to a Dr.

..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ Felice-:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

 

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

 

" Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child

as

it is to the caterpillar. "

Bradley Miller

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Shelly wrote:

 

<<My sister and mother all had small babies and tried to push them out

vaginally but the babies (6 in all) wouldn't fit throught their pelvis

(we are all very petite) I guess I've just accepted that there is a

good possibility that I'll have to follow their example and have a

c-section too. But I'm definetely going to try vaginally just as they

did.>>

 

You mention that they had epidurals in another post. That can cause a

lot of problems. You have to lie down (i.e., no help from gravity) with

a shunt in your spine, a catheter in your urethra, and either an

external or internal fetal monitor hooked up as well. You can't walk,

squat or kneel properly. You can't get into a tub or shower. If it

isn't done exactly properly, it can make it extremely hard to push

properly. The chance of an epidural turning into a C-section is

*significantly* higher than without.

 

Also, as many have mentioned, if they (and you) go into labour

*assuming* it's going to be a problem, lo- & -behold, it becomes a

problem.

 

It is possible that your pelvis is abnormally small. But then, you're

likely to have a smaller baby, too (they've done studies of dog breeds

and found this to be true). Nature is pretty good about these sorts of

things. You even said that their babies came out small. Still, this is

obviously an important concern, so I'd suggest finding someone who can

actually give you a professional opinion (without prejudice) on the

subject.

 

Liz (also from a petite family -- as in, I was a size 4 with some 2s

before getting pregnant with my first -- none of us have had any

problems delivering vaginally)

[Guest guest]

Shelly,

I had 9 and 9 1/2 pound babies, 21 and 22 inches long respectively.

As to your question " does an epidural affect your chances to give

birth vaginally " I would say that all interventions lessen your

chances to give birth vaginally. From the research I have done, the

only thing that increases your chances at giving birth vaginally is

to not go to the hospital!

Also, when I mentioned the large/small family, I was speaking more of

different races than just taller and larger/smaller boned...I really

think you can do this if you have the right mindset!

Good luck!

 

Bonnie

 

 

, " Shelly Eades " <sgeades@u...> wrote:

> Bonnie wrote:

>

> > I had little

> > to no weight gain in my first trimesters with both of my

> > children, and ended up with only about a 15 pound weight gain

> > total, although I was lacto ovo at the time. I remember

> > eating a lot of potatoes (LOL).

>

> Can you tell me how much your baby weighed? I seem to love

potatoes too

> The problem is that they are so filling that it's hard to eat much

of

> anything else.

>

> > Your ob has no right telling you that you " should " gain a

> > certain amount of weight, nor does she have any right telling

> > you that because of genetics you will need a cesarean. My

> > first ob told me that my pelvis was too small and gave me a

> > cesarean, then with my second daughter I had a wonderful

> > midwife assist me with another 9+ pound baby vaginal delivery

> > and told me there was " plenty of room " for a bigger baby. I

> > knew it was BS about the reasons for the cesarean.

>

> My doctor hasn't actually said anything about a c-section, I just

drew my

> own conclusions because of what my mother and sister went through.

Those

> are interesting thoughts and very encouraging. I will look into

getting a

> midwife.

>

> > You give

> > birth to a baby you are able to deliver, unless you marry a

> > man whose entire family is huge and you are from a tiny family.

>

> Uh oh! My husband's family is pretty big (6 feet and taller with

big

> bones), my family runs about 5-5'8 ft or so and on the petite

side. My

> husband is only 5'6 and that's because they believe that his growth

was

> stunted by giving him ritalin when he was younger.

>

> Do you know if having an epidural has an effect on delivering

naturally? My

> sister and mother, all had epidurals when they tried the vaginal

route.

> Perhaps it messes things up?

>

> Thanks for your comments!

[Guest guest]

It's easy to laugh at this advice, but try not to worry about it. When I am

fretting about something, my mother always tell me that everything will work

out, and it always does.

 

I too am petite--very small boned, before I got pregnant (still can't lose

those last 10 pounds!) weighed 85lbs and am only 5'2 " . Vegan for over two

decades, I never touched an animal product during my entire pregnancy and

gained 40 pounds. At my first visit, my midwife said jokingly " Look at

those tiny hips! How is this baby going to fit through there? " Of course,

my 7 pound 12 oz daughter did fit as nature helps a woman's hips expand

during pregnancy by producing a chemical or hormone that loosens the joints.

If tiny little ole' me can do it, you can too! In the end, whether you

give birth c-section or vaginally, you're still a new mama, and all that

matters your little bundle of joy.

 

As far as worrying about what your doctor will say if she asks you what

you're eating, don't! Arm yourself with information beforehand if you think

her asking will cause you to be nervous. Dr. Michael Klaper has written a

wonderful book called Pregnancy, Children, and the Vegan Diet. Check out

books by Dr. Neal Barnard too. As long as you're eating healthy, you have

nothing to worry about. The only difference between a vegan diet and a

carnivorous diet is where you get your protein and calcium from. For

example, instead of beef, you eat tofu or veggie burgers. Instead of milk,

you drink soymilk and fortified oj.

 

Midwives really are great. I found one who was attached to a ob/gyn group.

She delivers at a local hospital, but a doctor from the group would step in

the rare case there was a need for a c-section or some other emergency. She

treated me like a person and was much more open to veganism most doctors.

Pregnancy is not a disease--no need for doctors.

 

> " Shelly Eades " <sgeades

>

>

>RE: question

>Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:54:06 -0600

>

>Deborah wrote:

>

> > My first recommendation would be to find a midwife. Cases of

> > true pelvic disporportion are very rare and it sounds as if

> > your doctor is already set on a c-section (it's much easier

> > for him/her that way). A midwife would make every effort to

> > help you deliver vaginally--much better for you and baby.

>

>Thanks for your thoughts. I should have explained that the c-section thing

>was my own thoughts. The doctor hasn't mentioned anything like that. My

>sister and mother all had small babies and tried to push them out vaginally

>but the babies (6 in all) wouldn't fit throught their pelvis (we are all

>very petite) I guess I've just accepted that there is a good possibility

>that I'll have to follow their example and have a c-section too. But I'm

>definetely going to try vaginally just as they did.

>

>I'll definetely continue to eat healthy (I already sent by typical daily

>menu) and hope for the best. I just fear that my gyn. will ask what I'm

>eating if I don't gain weight like she expects.

>

>Thanks!

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I know you've already heard from many people, but here is another story.

 

I was vegan for several years (vegetarian for years before that) before I

had a vegan pregnancy. I gained 20lbs. I am 5'4 " and weighed around

117lbs. before getting pregnant. I had several OB/GYNs and midwives due to

moving from the east coast to the midwest during my sixth month. I was

going to have a homebirth, but found out my baby had a CHD (congenital

heart defect) prior about a month and half before he was born so I had him

naturally in a special Children's Hospital. He was 6 lbs when he was born,

but has been in the 50 percentile ever since his second week in the world.

Most CHD kids are very small for their age so his growth is great given his

heart, the fact that he was breastfed and he is vegan. He is 19 mo. old

now and has surprised all the doctors and never needed any surgeries or

medications. Two of his ped. cardiologists are vegetarian and are VERY

happy that my son is vegan.

 

I had a doula at my birth and I am learning to be a doula myself...highly

recommend having a doula. Most people in the health profession do not have

a clue about nutrition and unfortunately a lot of doulas/midwives/etc.

still have some outdating thoughts on eating meat and dairy during

pregnancy. Most of the OBs I saw couldn't care less that I was vegan.

They took lots of blood and urine during my pregnancy (lllooooonnnng story)

and the results were always great so they were very happy. One midwife

(she used to be a Bradley method teacher) insisted that I eat meat (which

of course I didn't) while she had her assistant sat there at least 35 lbs

overweight and one of them had type II diabetes. I could go on, but my

point is that the best thing you can do is listen to your body. Your

health (and your baby's health) is in your hands ultimately and no one

knows your body better than you do. Please don't listen to anyone telling

you to gain a certain amount or not gain...every pregnancy and birth is

different. Please don't assume that your pelvis is too small. I have a

very small pelvis too, but nature is amazing and human women have been

having babies for a long time...if our bodies weren't perfect for birthing

human babies we would have died off as a species long ago. You body is the

perfect place for you little one and he/she will find their way into this

world with our without the help of anyone but you.

 

I highly recommend 'Reclaiming Our Heath' by John Robbins (he talks a lot

about C-sections and birht). 'The Birth Book' by Dr. Sears is good.

'Holistic Pregnancy and Childbirth' by James Marti and 'Spiritual

Midwifery' by Ina May Gaskin are both very good as well.

 

As a side note, my son is still nursing and I lost the 20lbs. and more (was

down to 100lbs before my son started walking) right away. I found it was

much harder to maintain weight while nursing for a while...I'm back to my

'normal' weight of 110lbs. I eat a wide variety of foods, but avocado

sandwiches were my favorite during my last trimester and while nursing.

Avocado is also the first food my son ate...he still loves them. There is

not one food he doesn't like (of course he has only been offered vegan

foods) so far and he has always just eaten off my plate or what I'm eating.

 

Just another word on c-sections. I have a group of friends (4 other women)

who all worked out together and we rock climbed together...all of us were

in 'good shape'. We all had children within one year of each other and I

was the only vegan and the only one who did not have a c-section...I was

also the youngest (28 when I gave birth). The rest of the women gained 40

- 50 lbs during their pregnancies. All of the c-sections were called

'emergency' c-sections. Once they had the epidural it was pretty much

downhill from there.

 

The doctors really wanted me to have a c-section due to my baby's heart,

but they all admited it would be better for him to go through labor, but

they wanted me to have a c-section to make it easier on all the staff

(specialists who had to be on call just in case he needed surgery right

away). I gave birth at a hospital 2 hours from my home (they wanted me to

take a helicopter ride) and we drove there four hours after my water broke

then I labored in a hotel right across from the hospital so I was only in

the hospital about 2 hours before he was born. I ate a cheeseless veg

pizza in the hotel about 4 hours before he was born. The point here...if

you want to avoid a c-section do as much as you can before you get to the

hospital so you have more control.

 

Sorry I got off topic. Women having the birth experience they want is

something very close to my heart.

 

I wish you the best,

 

Linda

Savoy, IL USA

[Guest guest]

What's a doula? Thanks for filling me in!

Renee

-

" Linda Evans " <linda.evans

 

Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:01 AM

Re: question

 

 

> I know you've already heard from many people, but here is another story.

>

> I was vegan for several years (vegetarian for years before that) before I

> had a vegan pregnancy. I gained 20lbs. I am 5'4 " and weighed around

> 117lbs. before getting pregnant. I had several OB/GYNs and midwives due

to

> moving from the east coast to the midwest during my sixth month. I was

> going to have a homebirth, but found out my baby had a CHD (congenital

> heart defect) prior about a month and half before he was born so I had him

> naturally in a special Children's Hospital. He was 6 lbs when he was

born,

> but has been in the 50 percentile ever since his second week in the world.

> Most CHD kids are very small for their age so his growth is great given

his

> heart, the fact that he was breastfed and he is vegan. He is 19 mo. old

> now and has surprised all the doctors and never needed any surgeries or

> medications. Two of his ped. cardiologists are vegetarian and are VERY

> happy that my son is vegan.

>

> I had a doula at my birth and I am learning to be a doula myself...highly

> recommend having a doula. Most people in the health profession do not

have

> a clue about nutrition and unfortunately a lot of doulas/midwives/etc.

> still have some outdating thoughts on eating meat and dairy during

> pregnancy. Most of the OBs I saw couldn't care less that I was vegan.

> They took lots of blood and urine during my pregnancy (lllooooonnnng

story)

> and the results were always great so they were very happy. One midwife

> (she used to be a Bradley method teacher) insisted that I eat meat (which

> of course I didn't) while she had her assistant sat there at least 35 lbs

> overweight and one of them had type II diabetes. I could go on, but my

> point is that the best thing you can do is listen to your body. Your

> health (and your baby's health) is in your hands ultimately and no one

> knows your body better than you do. Please don't listen to anyone telling

> you to gain a certain amount or not gain...every pregnancy and birth is

> different. Please don't assume that your pelvis is too small. I have a

> very small pelvis too, but nature is amazing and human women have been

> having babies for a long time...if our bodies weren't perfect for birthing

> human babies we would have died off as a species long ago. You body is

the

> perfect place for you little one and he/she will find their way into this

> world with our without the help of anyone but you.

>

> I highly recommend 'Reclaiming Our Heath' by John Robbins (he talks a lot

> about C-sections and birht). 'The Birth Book' by Dr. Sears is good.

> 'Holistic Pregnancy and Childbirth' by James Marti and 'Spiritual

> Midwifery' by Ina May Gaskin are both very good as well.

>

> As a side note, my son is still nursing and I lost the 20lbs. and more

(was

> down to 100lbs before my son started walking) right away. I found it was

> much harder to maintain weight while nursing for a while...I'm back to my

> 'normal' weight of 110lbs. I eat a wide variety of foods, but avocado

> sandwiches were my favorite during my last trimester and while nursing.

> Avocado is also the first food my son ate...he still loves them. There is

> not one food he doesn't like (of course he has only been offered vegan

> foods) so far and he has always just eaten off my plate or what I'm

eating.

>

> Just another word on c-sections. I have a group of friends (4 other

women)

> who all worked out together and we rock climbed together...all of us were

> in 'good shape'. We all had children within one year of each other and I

> was the only vegan and the only one who did not have a c-section...I was

> also the youngest (28 when I gave birth). The rest of the women gained 40

> - 50 lbs during their pregnancies. All of the c-sections were called

> 'emergency' c-sections. Once they had the epidural it was pretty much

> downhill from there.

>

> The doctors really wanted me to have a c-section due to my baby's heart,

> but they all admited it would be better for him to go through labor, but

> they wanted me to have a c-section to make it easier on all the staff

> (specialists who had to be on call just in case he needed surgery right

> away). I gave birth at a hospital 2 hours from my home (they wanted me to

> take a helicopter ride) and we drove there four hours after my water broke

> then I labored in a hotel right across from the hospital so I was only in

> the hospital about 2 hours before he was born. I ate a cheeseless veg

> pizza in the hotel about 4 hours before he was born. The point here...if

> you want to avoid a c-section do as much as you can before you get to the

> hospital so you have more control.

>

> Sorry I got off topic. Women having the birth experience they want is

> something very close to my heart.

>

> I wish you the best,

>

> Linda

> Savoy, IL USA

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 08:53 AM 9/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

>What's a doula? Thanks for filling me in!

>Renee

 

Without getting into a complicated definition...

 

Here in the US doulas usually are there to help the birthing woman. They

may help you focus during contractions, massage your back, suggest

different positions, deal with annoying (oops...did I say that) hospital

staff (in the case of a hospital birth), run errands, change your CDs, etc.

My doula was happened to also be my birth instructor as well so she went

with me to get an amnio once I found out my baby had a heart defect and I

couldn't do a homebirth. Some doulas also help the mother after the birth

with chores around the house or taking care of the other children, etc.

Just with midwives you see a wide range of people and what they do for the

mother and what they don't do for the mother, but on the whole they are

knowledgeable women who support the pregnant woman before/during/after the

birth. My husband was there for me and very involved in my sons birth, but

the doula helped him know when to shut up and when to massage my back or

whatever. My doula also used to work for an OB/GYN so she was very helpful

dealing with the hospital staff and she was helpful in explaining tests and

monitoring equipment (she also helped take it off so I could walk around,

etc.). For me, it was nice to have other women (my sister was also there,

but she had never seen a human birth before) present during my birth not

just my husband.

 

Sorry of the the late reply I started it a while back and never sent it.

 

Linda

[Guest guest]

At 07:44 PM 11/16/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>if you are making something from scratch, how do you determine the

>nutritional information of

>the final product?

 

Just add up all the info for all the ingredients, then divide that by the

number of servings.

 

If you have a program like Master Cook, it will figure it all out for you.

 

Jeri Burdett

TerraWeb Technologies--Solutions that fit your style

Website hosting, design, & domain registration at down-to-earth prices

http://www.twtek.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your replys to this question!

I will pass them on to my very good friend. It's

clear both of us are responding to the raw food

diet/lifestyle very differently. My motivation is healing, and

hers is losing weight. I will relate my story on this

forum later today. Thanks again! Susan

[Guest guest]

I don't see why you couldn't. This information is

just from raw foodists learning and sharing with each

other. Please share your website with us when you

have completed it.

 

Regina

 

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>

>

> Hi My name is Marcin and I am from Poland.

> I want to create a web side about raw diet.

> Can I use information from archive on

> rawfood/messages/

>

> Greetings from Poland

> Marcin Juszczyk.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi.<br><br>Well first and foremost I'd suggest

that your friend be careful with<br>restricting her

diet for the purpose of losing weight.<br><br>With any

properly nutritious and sustaining diet (including raw)

one may<br>gain, keep, or lose weight depending on

the body's makeup and the lifestyle<br>of the

person.<br><br>The best and almost foolproof ways I am aware of to

achieve optimum health<br>and fitness are by doing three

things:<br><br>1: Drink plenty of water or at least very dilute

juices of<br>vegetables/fruits that are not so sweet.

Really, it helps cleanse the<br>body.<br><br>2: Eat a

proper diet; raw is great, but do make sure you're

getting the<br>proper calories, nutrients -- vitamins,

minerals, protiens, carbohydrates,<br>and essential fatty

acids, et. al. Be aware of your nutrition, and also

of<br>your calorie intake; eat to fulfill your body's needs,

but not excessively.<br><br>3: Exercise regularly

e.g. five plus times a week for at least a half of

an<br>hour at a stretch. Mix aerobic, resistance, and

stretching exercises as is<br>appropriate for your body /

abilities.<br><br>Exercising enough to break a bit of a sweat and elevating

your heart rate<br>by a significant percentage for

more than twenty minutes or so will cleanse<br>the

body and cause the metabolism of the excess fats /

nutrients.<br>Exercising well after one's previous meal and relatively

soon before one's<br>next meal is good.<br><br>If you

do those things it's extremely likely that you'll

very easily and<br>automatically reach a very lean,

toned, fit, and healthy state within a a<br>few to

several weeks.<br><br>Don't think of it as a " diet " or

" get into shape " program; it's a lifestyle<br>that one

has to be happy with and comfortable to

keep.<br><br>I've been substantially/mostly raw for a year. I try

eat a good variety of<br>vegetables, fruits, grains,

legumes, nuts, and seeds.<br><br>I like to work out for an

hour before breakfast, and then again in

the<br>evenings before dinner. Usually that is stretching /

warming up, then<br>perhaps twenty minutes of light

weight/resistance work, then 45 minutes of<br>aerobic exercise like

cycling / stair climbing / treadmill / jogging.<br><br>In

the evenings I do weights, stretches, calisthenics

for another twenty<br>minutes or so.<br><br>It has

worked well for me, and I expect something like it will

also benefit<br>your friend.

[Guest guest]

Susan;<br>Why is she taking oil? All vegetarian

oils come from seeds, once the oil inside the seed is

exposed to oxygen, it goes rancid in four hours. All

processed oils are, to some extent, rancid. As soon as you

open the bottle, you have 4 hours to use it. She would

be much better off eating Avocados. Avocados are

only fatting if you are also eating low quality

(cooked or rancid) fats. In which case your body will use

the avocado oil for metabolic processes. and store

the low quality oil as Fat. Stored fat has been found

to be devoid of lipaze (fat catalyzing enzymes) in

obese people. When I went 100% raw I became a walking

skeleton. I began eating avocados, and lost more weight. I

still eat tons of avos and I could hide in a crack in

the wall. We are primates, primates do not eat seeds,

sprouted or otherwise, or the oil within them. <br><br>The

problem could be raw carrots. Carrots are a high glycemic

index food. The glycemic index of carrots is 100, the

same as pure sugar. High glycemic index foods cause an

insulin responce. Evidence supports the idea that insulin

can promote deleterious changes in the cardiovascular

system, eventually developing cardiovascular

complications such as atherosclerosis. Insulin can cause lipids

to be deposited in arterial walls. It also increases

fat storage in adipose (fatty) tissues by stimulating

the synthesis of lipids and inhibiting their

breakdown. I'm sure you could find a glycemic index chart on

line somewhere. If she is jonesing for sweets or high

index foods please read my post #1171 on Stevia. The

link on that page no longer sells stevia nor do they

have instructions for growing the plant. I have plants

but not enough to give away just yet I will let

everyone know when I do. <br><br>Doug

[Guest guest]

Human baby eating does not occur in China or anywhere that I know of. The

pictures you have seen were made by some students who stole a dead foetus

from a medical school. Yes, it is a hoax.

Unfortunately in China the eating of baby pigs and baby dogs is not

uncommon. Roast suckling pig is a mainstream dish and roast suckling puppy

is a specialty in a few restaurants.

John.

 

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" Alisa " <mucha0514

<aapn >

Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:24 AM

Question

 

 

> Today a friend showed me an email with very graphic

> pictures that said baby eating is a common practice in

> China. I am hoping this is just an elaborate hoax

> (the pictures were VERY graphic). Does anyone know if

> this is true or false?

>

> thanks!

> alisa

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[Guest guest]

I know this isn't the correct forum, but I was wondering if anyone might

be able to direct me to a site that has non-rubber, non-plastic,

preferably organic shoes. Might be hard to find, but I thought someone

might know.

 

Thanks ahead of time for your help.

 

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--- unearthly_creature wrote:

> I know this isn't the correct forum, but I was

> wondering if anyone might

> be able to direct me to a site that has non-rubber,

> non-plastic,

> preferably organic shoes. Might be hard to find, but

> I thought someone

> might know.

>

> Thanks ahead of time for your help.

>

> Andria

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/29/2003 3:41:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vivecapark writes:

 

My husband is going to try to be 100% raw now. However, prior to him making

this decision, he had me go out and buy lots of rice cakes. I assume that

rice cakes are not raw. My mom says they might be. So I am going to ask

you all, " are rice cakes raw? "

 

Thanks.

 

Viveca

No, they are not raw. You can soak and sprout wild rice and then food

process it and form patties and dehydrate them to try and make a raw version of

rice

cakes. I've never tried this but who knows, it might work.

 

Judy Pokras

editor/founder/designer

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[Guest guest]

Nope, not raw!

 

 

 

My husband is going to try to be 100% raw now. However, prior to him making

this decision, he had me go out and buy lots of rice cakes. I assume that

rice cakes are not raw. My mom says they might be. So I am going to ask

you all, " are rice cakes raw? "

 

Thanks.

 

Viveca

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'd love to hear too and how quick your body starts losing weight (have 25 to

lose)..Kim

>

>

> I hope this isn't a boring question but I am about to try the raw

> way of eating and I'd be REALLY grateful if some of you who went

> from the conventional 'anything goes' straight onto a wholly raw

> food diet could tell me how you found your general health and tone

> of life change....and over how long a period did any of these new

> and hopefully 'better' signs of health develop?

>

> Many many thanks in anticipation, for your time...

>

> Velvet

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Velvet... i am doing the same thing and i think that's a GREAT question!! I

hope there is a load of replies. I like to know what i am up against. I did

try the master-cleanse fast and got so sick on day 2 that i stopped. I don't

want to stop with this and would like to know what to expect at first.

If you want to write me off list please feel free too... i am not sharing

this with my family until i have a bit of time of the new way of eating

under my belt... so until then i am *alone*.

peace

nikki

 

 

 

 

I hope this isn't a boring question but I am about to try the raw

way of eating and I'd be REALLY grateful if some of you who went

from the conventional 'anything goes' straight onto a wholly raw

food diet could tell me how you found your general health and tone

of life change....and over how long a period did any of these new

and hopefully 'better' signs of health develop?

 

Many many thanks in anticipation, for your time...

 

Velvet

 

 

 

 

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--

[Guest guest]

How much you lose depends on how much you have to lose and how

closely you stay raw.

 

I lost on an average of 1- 3 pounds a week. I lost more toward

the beginning and then it slowed down toward the end of my body

making its adjustments. I think I've stabilized now at about 115

pounds.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Viveca Park

 

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[Guest guest]

Anyone want to try again with me?

 

I mean get together and help each other through the first two

weeks..no messing about?

 

I am convinced this will be a way towards better health for me but I

too found I was going into a detox situation a day ot two in.

 

The point is to GET THROUGH the detox phase ....because really and

truly your body can't be wrong in doing this for you....must have

been waiting for some time TO do this....and come out the other end.

 

What do you think?

 

Start monday?....post here if possible what we've eaten and how we

feel every day for a couple of weeks?

 

Or if that is too heavy I'll put up a temp for those few

just to get them over the first hurdles.

 

 

Velvet

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this.

 

I have an autoimmune disease Hashimotos...makes me feel crap, lose

hair, be exhausted and I put on about 1 1/2 stone in three months.

 

As a businesswoman ~ heck as A Voman....this is not tolerable for my

image or my health and I'm determind to find a way of being well. So

I have that motivation as well as having researched this sort of

thing over the years so should know better.

 

<g

 

But I Vill Vin!

 

Velvet

 

 

rawfood , " Viveca Park " <vivecapark@a...>

wrote:

> How much you lose depends on how much you have to lose and how

> closely you stay raw.

>

> I lost on an average of 1- 3 pounds a week. I lost more toward

> the beginning and then it slowed down toward the end of my body

> making its adjustments. I think I've stabilized now at about 115

> pounds.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Viveca Park

>

> Exercise Your Willpower

> http://www.exerciseyourwillpower.com

> Fitness Motivator Newsletter

> http://www.fitnessmotivatornewsletter.com

> Vita-Mix For Nurtrition You Can Taste!

> http://www.vnetcybermall.com/vitamix

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is no need to start another group. Just join this one:

http://health.rawweightloss/

 

Velvet <la_velvet wrote:

Start monday?....post here if possible what we've eaten and how we feel every

day for a couple of weeks?

 

Or if that is too heavy I'll put up a temp for those few just to get

them over the first hurdles.

 

The Master Cleanse has been successfully used for years to detoxify the body,

improve health and lose weight.

http://health.Master_Cleanse/

 

 

 

 

Search - Find what you’re looking for faster.

 

 

[Guest guest]

My " general health and tone > of life " are like night and day, raw

vs. cooked. Raw I have high energy and I feel refreshed, younger,

and invigorated physically. I sleep less and get much more out of my

day. Cooked is just the opposite. But I eat a raw plant food diet

of simple, whole foods. Eating flax crackers and other crazy raw

foods and recipes would be like eating cooked to me and I wouldn't

have the positive effects I just mentioned. I can't play games with

eating raw, I have to be careful about it. Fortunately, I can

through myself in full force to a head of lettuce or a grape, or a

tomato and feel the general process of change with no detrimental

effects.

 

The period of time is instantaneous on that day. All I need is a

good nights sleep to relieve me of the effects of cooked and if I'm

raw the next day, my happy life continues. If I eat cooked on any

portion of a day, then that day will remain poor even if I try to

switch over to raw in that day.

 

Rich