Hi

[Guest guest]

Hi sway,<br><br>I have lost 35lbs on the all raw

diet over the course of a year. On the path to better

health (not just raw, but beginning by removing dairy,

grains, meat etc from my diet) I went from a high weight

of 222lbs to a low weight of 153lbs (over about 7

years). I am now at the point in my raw diet where my

body is seeking it's own natural weight and weigh

165lbs. I think I'll end up somewhere around 175lbs. Just

FYI, I am a 6'1.5 " male.<br><br>Hope that

helps.<br><br>Tim

[Guest guest]

I went vegan almost a year ago March 1st. Ive

lost 64 pounds with no exercise. Yes, Yes I KNOW I

should exercise. I started out weighing 349 pounds, I

now weigh 285. I know that TONS more than anyone else

weighs here but I had to make a start somewhere. Ive now

incorporated more raw foods in Id say Im getting to about

50%-60%. <br><br>Christie

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura,

Glad things are a bit more relaxed for you now. Glad to see you back.

Love Shell.

[Guest guest]

Here's something that you might find to be helpful.

 

http://www.geocities.com/lymeart3/ms-index.html

http://www.geocities.com/lymeart3/ms-links.html

 

These are resources on how Lyme Disease can be misdiagnosed as MS.

 

I realize that from your perspective this might come out of left field.

There's a lot of good content on that page, though, and even more if you

were to initiate contact with the authors of any of those papers. I can

likely help you get in touch with any of them if you are interested.

 

 

 

You've got a tough situation. If you let me (or the listserv in general if

you're comfortable with that) know where you live, we can probably help

you to find " nutritional community " that is, people interested in sharing

raw and healthful meals.

 

Community is key.

 

All the best,

 

Margie

 

 

 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Alice wrote:

 

> Hi, I'd like to introduce myself to you as I just joined the group

> last night. My name is Alice and I am a full time caregiver to my

> husband, Bill, who has chronic, progressive MS. His condition is

> advanced as he's totally bedridden, can't move his body or use his

> hands, his memory is gone, he's legally blind, he cannot communicate

> and he's going through the choking stage. I transport him daily,

> clean him, exercise him, feed him and give him fluids. My question

> to you is can anyone advise me on any food, herbs, vitamins, etc.

> which may help him and also myself. I have to puree all his foods

> and thicken all his drinks. He's gained alot of weight due to having

> to use " Thick It " as it has calories in it and I have to use 25 lbs.

> per month to thicken all his fluids. As for myself, I become tired

> easy, get depressed and addicted to coffee and sugar. Can anyone

> help us to eat more nutritionaly. Last year Bill had all his teeth

> removed except three as they were all decayed because of his MS.

>

> Alice

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, Alice. Bless your heart. I have " MS " , too. What doctors have been calling

" MS " is 99% of the time mercury poisoning from amalgam dental fillings. Why

does he need something called " thick it " ? Get him off any processed or

artificial type stuff and go raw all the way. If he can't chew, run the food

through a juice extractor or a food processor. Make sure he's leaning forward

when he tries to swallow and be ready to Heimlich him if he misses the mark. As

God is my judge, you can have your husband back to health. Web search and find

out all you can about Dr. Richard Schulze and his methods of curing the

incurable. Have you seen this web site?:

www.matthewgrace.com

Matthew Grace was paralyzed and told he would never walk again because of MS.

He went on a raw food regimen and is now a body builder! Hey, I've had MS for

over thirty years and was told I'd be dead by now. Raw food saved my life and

got me walking again. Your husband's successful recovery is all in your hands.

Please let us all know how both you and your husband are progressing. It is not

so hopeless as you have been told by mainstream doctors. We are all here for

you. We care. Blessings and love to you and yours.......Betsy

 

 

 

Alice wrote:

-

Alice

rawfood

Friday, July 18, 2003 2:19 PM

[Raw Food] Hi

 

 

Hi, I'd like to introduce myself to you as I just joined the group

last night. My name is Alice and I am a full time caregiver to my

husband, Bill, who has chronic, progressive MS. His condition is

advanced as he's totally bedridden, can't move his body or use his

hands, his memory is gone, he's legally blind, he cannot communicate

and he's going through the choking stage. I transport him daily,

clean him, exercise him, feed him and give him fluids. My question

to you is can anyone advise me on any food, herbs, vitamins, etc.

which may help him and also myself. I have to puree all his foods

and thicken all his drinks. He's gained alot of weight due to having

to use " Thick It " as it has calories in it and I have to use 25 lbs.

per month to thicken all his fluids. As for myself, I become tired

easy, get depressed and addicted to coffee and sugar. Can anyone

help us to eat more nutritionaly. Last year Bill had all his teeth

removed except three as they were all decayed because of his MS.

 

Alice

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , Margie Roswell <mroswell@f...> wrote:

>

> You've got a tough situation. If you let me (or the listserv in

> general if you're comfortable with that) know where you live, we

> can probably help you to find " nutritional community " that is,

> people interested in sharing raw and healthful meals.

>

Fortunately, there are many, many people who have had their MS go

into remission on a raw food diet. I have a friend who has met a few

at raw food potlucks...people who were in wheel chairs who now show

no symptoms. My recommendation is to contact Dr. Fred Bisci, as he

has lots of experience working with MS patients. I'm fairly certain

he does phone consultations - check his web site:

http://www.fredbisci.com

 

I think I remember you saying that you're in New York - he's on

Staten Island.

 

Bridgitte

[Guest guest]

Hi Alice

 

You might like to look at www.hacres.com. There is a great deal of information

there about raw that might give you encouragement and help. NO affiliation.

 

Diane

 

Alice <alicem1660 wrote:

Hi, I'd like to introduce myself to you as I just joined the group

last night. My name is Alice and I am a full time caregiver to my

husband, Bill, who has chronic, progressive MS. His condition is

advanced as he's totally bedridden, can't move his body or use his

hands, his memory is gone, he's legally blind, he cannot communicate

and he's going through the choking stage. I transport him daily,

clean him, exercise him, feed him and give him fluids. My question

to you is can anyone advise me on any food, herbs, vitamins, etc.

which may help him and also myself. I have to puree all his foods

and thicken all his drinks. He's gained alot of weight due to having

to use " Thick It " as it has calories in it and I have to use 25 lbs.

per month to thicken all his fluids. As for myself, I become tired

easy, get depressed and addicted to coffee and sugar. Can anyone

help us to eat more nutritionaly. Last year Bill had all his teeth

removed except three as they were all decayed because of his MS.

 

Alice

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rich,

 

You read right. We are under average weight and that is because average

weight is based upon those on a SAD. It does not do us any harm.

Primates are a lean bunch but they can pack some muscle power. We should

be the same!

 

Peter

 

 

onewhodrawz [onewhodrawz]

21 October 2003 02:11

rawfood

[Raw Food] Hi

 

 

 

Hello all. I'm new here, and I'm also newish to

the rawfood lifestyle. I have found the posts here

to be very helpful.

 

Here's my question. If people have been eating

crappy diets for such a long time, how does one

know what a healthy weight is? I have read somewhere

on a rawfood site that our ideal weight is somewhat

less than what we might be use to.

 

Take care

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> You read right. We are under average weight and that is because

average

> weight is based upon those on a SAD. It does not do us any harm.

> Primates are a lean bunch but they can pack some muscle power. We

should

> be the same!

>

> Peter

>

 

Thanks Peter.

 

Yep I reckon your're right. The ideal weight is not so ideal and

it takes too much energy hauling the extra pounds around.

 

I've noticed that animals tend to be pretty lean in the wild. of

course there are some exceptions to this.

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

At 10:22 PM 6/3/2005 +0000, Renee wrote:

 

[...]

 

> I tried to make vegan cream cheese last night and it is almost

inedible.

> I won't waste anything, so I will end up eating it... but does

anyone

> have a good recipe they could share??

 

I have a couple, but wonder if you'd share the one you used? I

don't want to send you the exact recipe you didn't like.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. This is the tofu cream cheese recipe that I tried:

 

1 c silken tofu 3 T tahini 2 t sweetener: raw sugar

1/2 t salt

1/2 t pepper

This was very, very thin, so I added some starches to try to thicken it a little. But it tasted pretty gross.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you very much!

-Renee

On 6/5/05, N. Braswell <meritra wrote:

At 10:22 PM 6/3/2005 +0000, Renee wrote:[...]> I tried to make vegan cream cheese last night and it is almost inedible.

> I won't waste anything, so I will end up eating it... but does anyone> have a good recipe they could share??I have a couple, but wonder if you'd share the one you used? I don't want to send you the exact recipe you didn't like.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would think you would need firm tofu to get a good consistancy. Silken

is going to be way too runny

 

If the taste was icky . forget it. Though I'd think a touch of lemon

perhaps and likely more salt would help it along.

 

> At 10:22 PM 6/3/2005 +0000, Renee wrote:

>

> [...]

>

> I tried to make vegan cream cheese last night and it is almost

> inedible.

> I won't waste anything, so I will end up eating it... but does anyone

> have a good recipe they could share??

[Guest guest]

I'll dig up the recipe for vegan cream cheese I use. I've never made any from any recipe using regular tofu. The recipes I've used have always called for the silken. That doesn't mean that it wouldn't work - just that the recipes I've used haven't called for the regular and I don't think I would care for it. The regular is too grainy and has too much of a soy bean taste while the silken is milder in taste and has a ... well silky texture. The key is not to use soft silken but rather firm or extra firm. I'll try to find my recipe - it's been so long since I've made it since Tofutti has come out with the non-hydrogenated version of vegan cream cheese it's just easier to get that instead of making it.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

 

-

Yvonne

Monday, June 06, 2005 10:59 PM

Re: Hi

I would think you would need firm tofu to get a good consistancy. Silkenis going to be way too runnyIf the taste was icky . forget it. Though I'd think a touch of lemonperhaps and likely more salt would help it along.> At 10:22 PM 6/3/2005 +0000, Renee wrote:>> [...]>> I tried to make vegan cream cheese last night and it is almost > inedible. > I won't waste anything, so I will end up eating it... but does anyone> have a good recipe they could share??

[Guest guest]

At 06:47 PM 6/5/2005 -0400, Renee Brennan wrote:

>

>Thanks for the reply. This is the tofu cream cheese recipe that I

tried:

>1 c silken tofu 3 T tahini 2 t sweetener: raw sugar 1/2 t salt 1/2 t

pepper

>This was very, very thin, so I added some starches to try to thicken

it a

>little. But it tasted pretty gross.

>

>Any suggestions?

 

I'm guessing the thickeners you added would have been the culprit

here. Uncooked starch is chalky and gritty -- brr! You're a

woman after my own heart though; I won't waste food either, and it drives

home the point: " Do *not* do this again! " Your

ingredients look okay otherwise, though. One thing you might try is

substituting an equal amount of finely ground cashews for the tahini --

pretty tasty.

 

Some people start out with firm tofu for this kind of recipe, but I find

it gives the final product a granular texture. When using the the

silken tofu, I expel as much water as necessary for the correct

consistency. I've made this by lining a colander with muslin (you

can use cheesecloth or a tea towel) and placing the tofu in it.

Bring up the ends of the cloth up into a sack and gently twist, expelling

the excess 'whey'. If it's still a little watery, leave for a while

longer to drip, until you get the consistency you like.

 

For 'creme cheeze', just continue the process. For this, I've

literally wrung the whey out of the cloth, twisting both ends. That

said, here are some tofu-based recipes; I can send along some soy-free

ones, if you like.

 

 

Tofu Sour Creme (Or Yogurt)

Bryanna Clark Grogan

Silken tofu makes a smooth, rich-tasting mixture which can be used

anywhere you would normally use sour cream, including cooking.

 

1 12.3 oz. box extra-firm silken tofu

3 tablespoons lemon juice

1/2 teaspoon unbleached sugar

1/4 teaspoon salt

1-2 teaspoons olive oil, optional - for richer mixture

 

Process in a food processor or blender until VERY smooth. Keep in a

covered container in the refrigerator for up to a week.

For a topping for fruit, sweeten the sour creme with a tablespoon or

two of Grade a light maple syrup, fruit-sweetened jam or jelly,

fruit

juice concentrate, and/or fruit liqueur.

 

Tofu Yogurt: Reduce the salt to a small pinch and 4 T. of lemon

juice.

If it seems too thick, thin with some water to make it the

consistency

you prefer. (There are several brands of soy yogurt now available in

health food stores that are good for eating [i like SoNice brand],

but

I prefer this for sauces and cooking.) If you like, you can add some

dairy-free acidophilus powder.

 

Yield: 1 1/2 cups

 

 

Tofu Sour Cream 1

SDA-veg list by Stephen & Emmy Winters, Dec 29, 1999.

Servings: 10

 

1 cup soft tofu

4 tablespoons vegetable oil

1 tablespoon lemon juice

1 1/2 teaspoons honey

1/2 teaspoon salt

 

Blend all ingredients until smooth and creamy. Use as a

replacement

for dairy sour cream.

 

 

Tofu Sour Cream x 3

Nelson Martinez on Vegan-L (ca. 1994)

 

Servings: 1

TOFU SOUR CREAM 1

1 pound silken tofu

1/3 cup vegetable oil

2 tablespoons lemon juice

1 teaspoon salt

TOFU SOUR CREAM 2

1/4 cup fresh lemon juice

1 tablespoon light miso

1/4 teaspoon dijon mustard

2 tablespoons water

1 tablespoon tamari

1/2 pound tofu

TOFU SOUR CREAM 3

1/4 cup silken tofu, patted dry

1/4 cup firm tofu, patted dry

1 tablespoon lemon juice

1 tablespoon tamari

 

Blend all ingredients in processor until creamy.

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much for the suggestions everyone. I like the Tofutti non-hydrogenated cream cheese, but I have been trying to make my own foods as much as possible, so I have recently been experimenting with cream cheese and veggie burgers. I will definitely try one of these recipes. Thanks for the advice about silken vs. firm tofu. And also about the thickeners... I should have known that. I did think about adding oil instead but didn't know.

Thanks again,

Renee

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Soham,

Thank you very much for kind words!

PETA works closely with us!

PETA always supported me!

 

Regards,

Nilesh

PAWS

................................

 

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 sOhAm wrote :

>hi nilesh,

> good work man. PAWS is doing a good job. i was just wondering, is

PETA working in your area? may u can join hands with them. they can b of a good

help..

>

> anyways, here we r planning of establishing a 'RAPTOR REHAB CENTER'..

wil start working on it from next month..

>

>regards,

>-soham

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Soham,

Thank you very much for kind words!

PETA works closely with us!

PETA always supported me!

 

Regards,

Nilesh

PAWS

................................

 

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 sOhAm wrote :

>hi nilesh,

> good work man. PAWS is doing a good job. i was just wondering, is

PETA working in your area? may u can join hands with them. they can b of a good

help..

>

> anyways, here we r planning of establishing a 'RAPTOR REHAB CENTER'..

wil start working on it from next month..

>

>regards,

>-soham

 

 

[Guest guest]

how north are you? welp, new place just opened on

parkway - green note! amazing stuff plus live music

here and there. bumble bee on brednock road off of

camden high street. how long have you been vegan?

xjen

 

--- bluejade200 <duncan10 wrote:

 

> Hi

>

> I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr

> male and vegan since

> this year.

>

> Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans

> in the UK.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two human offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know? Welcome to the vegan twilight zone. The Valley Vegan........................bluejade200 <duncan10 wrote: Hi I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan sincethis year.Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.Thanks,Duncan

[Guest guest]

Hi there!

 

I'm down in Brighton, 47, one child, one dog and Aria - who puts up with me most of the time.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

On Behalf Of peter hurd22 December 2005 18:55 Subject: Re: Hi

 

Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two human offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?

Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.

 

The Valley Vegan........................bluejade200 <duncan10 wrote:

Hi I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan sincethis year.Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.Thanks,Duncan

[Guest guest]

Married two human offspring?

 

Isn't that illegal?!

 

John

-

" peter hurd " <swpgh01

 

Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PM

Re: Hi

 

 

> Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two human

offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?

> Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.

>

> The Valley Vegan........................

>

> bluejade200 <duncan10 wrote:

> Hi

>

> I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan since

> this year.

>

> Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Duncan

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Not in Wales, but neither is it compulsary as in some US states! Howsit going John, long time no hear? The Valley Vegan................John Davis <mcxg46 wrote: Married two human offspring?Isn't that illegal?!John- "peter hurd" Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PMRe: Hi> Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two humanoffspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?> Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.>> The Valley Vegan........................>> bluejade200 wrote:> Hi>> I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr

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[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

Things are good thanks. Been busy, so been lurking. Training to be a

firefighter, which turns out to be quite hard work!

 

Cheers,

 

John

-

" peter hurd " <swpgh01

 

Friday, December 23, 2005 6:38 PM

Re: Hi

 

 

> Not in Wales, but neither is it compulsary as in some US states!

> Howsit going John, long time no hear?

>

> The Valley Vegan................

>

> John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:

> Married two human offspring?

>

> Isn't that illegal?!

>

> John

> -

> " peter hurd "

> To:

> Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PM

> Re: Hi

>

>

> > Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two

human

> offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?

> > Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.

> >

> > The Valley Vegan........................

> >

> > bluejade200 wrote:

> > Hi

> >

> > I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan since

> > this year.

> >

> > Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hope you make it, and have fun sliding down poles for a living! You still the wrong side of the bridge? The Valley Vegan...............John Davis <mcxg46 wrote: Hi Peter,Things are good thanks. Been busy, so been lurking. Training to be afirefighter, which turns out to be quite hard work!Cheers,John- "peter hurd" Friday, December 23, 2005 6:38 PMRe: Hi> Not in Wales, but neither is it compulsary as in some US states!> Howsit going John, long time no hear?>> The Valley Vegan................>> John Davis wrote:> Married two human offspring?>>

Isn't that illegal?!>> John> - > "peter hurd"> To:> Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PM> Re: Hi>>> > Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married twohuman> offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?> > Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.> >> > The Valley Vegan........................> >> > bluejade200 wrote:> > Hi> >> > I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan since> > this year.> >> > Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Duncan> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> >

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[Guest guest]

Sad as it may seem, they don't have poles at the station. And apparently you

don't get to rush into burning buildings wielding axes in order to rescue

beautiful women either! Ah well. Cats up trees it is then.

 

Bit of an ethical quandry when applying...part of the kit includes leather

glovers and leather boots. Which I had to think about for a fair while. But,

I think, the good that can be done as a fireman outweighs for me the problem

of having to wear some leather. Veganism being the avoidance of animal

products 'as far as is possible and practical', and all that. Though of

course, everyone at the station will be getting soya milk in their teas from

now on if they expect this new boy to make the drinks.

 

And yes, I'm still in England. Probably set to stay here too, for a while at

least - and I'm not sure I could afford to move back to Cardiff even if I

wanted to. Though I still get to pop over the bridge fairly regularly to see

people.

 

John

-

" peter hurd " <swpgh01

 

Saturday, December 24, 2005 12:39 PM

Re: Hi

 

 

> Hope you make it, and have fun sliding down poles for a living!

> You still the wrong side of the bridge?

>

> The Valley Vegan...............

>

> John Davis <mcxg46 wrote:

> Hi Peter,

>

> Things are good thanks. Been busy, so been lurking. Training to be a

> firefighter, which turns out to be quite hard work!

>

> Cheers,

>

> John

> -

> " peter hurd "

> To:

> Friday, December 23, 2005 6:38 PM

> Re: Hi

>

>

> > Not in Wales, but neither is it compulsary as in some US states!

> > Howsit going John, long time no hear?

> >

> > The Valley Vegan................

> >

> > John Davis wrote:

> > Married two human offspring?

> >

> > Isn't that illegal?!

> >

> > John

> > -

> > " peter hurd "

> > To:

> > Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PM

> > Re: Hi

> >

> >

> > > Hi Duncan in Gods own country - Wales. 44 seasons past, married two

> human

> > offspring, 2 feline dependants . What you want to know?

> > > Welcome to the vegan twilight zone.

> > >

> > > The Valley Vegan........................

> > >

> > > bluejade200 wrote:

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > I just joined today. I am from North London, 31yr male and vegan since

> > > this year.

> > >

> > > Looking to get some info and get to know some vegans in the UK.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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