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As we know, many times patients (especially children) with atopic eczema

also develop asthma. I am curious how others treat this combination. More

specifically, are there (Lung) medicinals that are more effective than

others when this combination presents. Does Mazin favor certain asthma /

Lung medicinals over others?

 

 

 

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Jason,

Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be frustrating

with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better to focus in one

of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently severe one.

That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is

primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma symptoms.

The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great effects at

stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a Beta-receptor

agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles.

Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last year,

whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the treatment

of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and Gan Cao. The

results of the study were very good, showing possible overall better

effectiveness than the steroid.

 Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a strong

bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects

Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic

conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties.

I hope some of this helps,

Trevor

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As we know, many times patients (especially children) with atopic eczema

 

also develop asthma. I am curious how others treat this combination. More

 

specifically, are there (Lung) medicinals that are more effective than

 

others when this combination presents. Does Mazin favor certain asthma /

 

Lung medicinals over others?

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

Acupuncture

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

www.ChineseMedicine Doc.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. For

chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang qi, ling

zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA patients that did

very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin.

 

, trevor erikson <trevor_erikson

wrote:

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> Jason,

> Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be frustrating

with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better to focus in one

of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently severe one.

> That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is

primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma symptoms.

The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great effects at

stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a Beta-receptor

agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles.

> Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last year,

whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the treatment

of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and Gan Cao. The

results of the study were very good, showing possible overall better

effectiveness than the steroid.

>  Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a strong

bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects

> Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic

conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties.

> I hope some of this helps,

> Trevor

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Dan Shen or Dang shen?

 

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, verhaeghe_tom <

tom.verhaeghe wrote:

 

>

>

> let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well.

> For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang

> qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA

> patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin.

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> trevor erikson <trevor_erikson wrote:

> >

> > Jason,

> > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be

> frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better

> to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently

> severe one.

> > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is

> primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma

> symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great

> effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a

> Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles.

> > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last

> year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the

> treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and

> Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall

> better effectiveness than the steroid.

> > Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a

> strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects

>

> > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic

> conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties.

> > I hope some of this helps,

> > Trevor

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

David Bell L.Ac.

Portland Maine Acupuncture

(207)228-4262

205 concord st Portland Maine 04103

www.portlandmaineacupuncture.com

portlandmaineacupuncture

 

 

 

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Dan Shen, salvia, is good for both asthma and eczema. Being able to cool the

blood, it helps reduce the erythema of the eczema. In chronic enduring disease,

like asthma, there has the potential to have stasis, Dan shen's ability to

quicken the blood can then be of good benefit.

 

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, David Bell Lic.Ac <healingherbsandpoints wrote:

 

David Bell Lic.Ac <healingherbsandpoints

Re: Re: Atopic eczema

 

Received: Monday, April 19, 2010, 5:55 PM

 

Dan Shen or Dang shen?

 

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, verhaeghe_tom <

tom.verhaeghe wrote:

 

>

>

> let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well.

> For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang

> qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA

> patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin.

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> trevor erikson <trevor_erikson wrote:

> >

> > Jason,

> > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be

> frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better

> to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently

> severe one.

> > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is

> primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma

> symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great

> effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a

> Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles.

> > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last

> year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the

> treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and

> Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall

> better effectiveness than the steroid.

> > Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a

> strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects

>

> > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic

> conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties.

> > I hope some of this helps,

> > Trevor

>

>

 

 

 

--

David Bell L.Ac.

Portland Maine Acupuncture

(207)228-4262

205 concord st Portland Maine 04103

www.portlandmaineacupuncture.com

portlandmaineacupuncture

 

 

 

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Trevor,

 

I agree, and in the past I have usually just treated the most pressing condition

first (for AE/AA). However I am trying to tighten up my formulas and work on

doing both at once. I have tried the kushen, gancao, and lingzhi combination for

years now, with very mixed results. Di long is also a favorite asthma herb of

mine, however I find it is really only effective if combined with other Lung

medicinal. What have others found?

 

Tom said, ¡°let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie

as well. For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of

huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA

patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas.¡±

 

I often use chantui, fangfeng, jingjie etc but I find these have little effect

on the asthma. Do you guys find these(without Lung medicinals) reduce the

asthma? Tom, are you saying that ¡°huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen¡± have helped

your asthma patients? Again without any real Lung diffusing or descending

medicinal? Does Mazin discuss this topic anywhere?

 

 

Since I have a few patients right now with this condition, I am going to play

around with different Lung medicinal (e.g. xing ren etc) and see what I come up

with.

 

Thanks all for the tips,

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

> ----

> verhaeghe_tom <tom.verhaeghe

>

> Re: Atopic eczema

> 19 Apr '10 14:43

>

> let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well.

> For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang

> qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA

> patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to

> Mazin.

>

> [LINK: %40]

> , trevor erikson <trevor_erikson

> wrote:

> >

> > Jason,

> > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be

> frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better

> to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently

> severe one.

> > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that

> is primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma

> symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great

> effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a

> Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles.

> > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last

> year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the

> treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and

> Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall

> better effectiveness than the steroid.

> > 0‡0„1¤7 Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a

> strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects

> > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic

> conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties.

> > I hope some of this helps,

> > Trevor

>

>

>

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, " " wrote:

 

> Tom said, ¡°let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie

as well. For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of

huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA

patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas.¡±

>

> I often use chantui, fangfeng, jingjie etc but I find these have little effect

on the asthma. Do you guys find these(without Lung medicinals) reduce the

asthma? Tom, are you saying that ¡°huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen¡± have helped

your asthma patients? Again without any real Lung diffusing or descending

medicinal? Does Mazin discuss this topic anywhere?

>

>

nope, not without other medicinals and only in the remission stage (or almost

there).

 

here's an example of a formula I used with success to subdue chronic asthma:

 

Ma huang 15

Huang qi 30

Ling zhi 24

Huang qin 15

Yu xing cao 24

She gan 12

Jie geng 12

Xing ren 12

Di long 15

Chan tui 12

Ku shen 12

Ban xia 12

Chen pi 12

Xi xin 3

Wu wei zi 9

Gan cao 6

 

I did some jia-jian along the way, for example later adding 30g of dan shen

 

I used kpc granules, as I always do..

 

regards,

 

Tom.

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