Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 2010 As we know, many times patients (especially children) with atopic eczema also develop asthma. I am curious how others treat this combination. More specifically, are there (Lung) medicinals that are more effective than others when this combination presents. Does Mazin favor certain asthma / Lung medicinals over others? -Jason Acupuncture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Jason, Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently severe one. That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles. Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall better effectiveness than the steroid. Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties. I hope some of this helps, Trevor --- On Sun, 4/18/10, wrote: Atopic eczema Received: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 10:41 AM Â As we know, many times patients (especially children) with atopic eczema also develop asthma. I am curious how others treat this combination. More specifically, are there (Lung) medicinals that are more effective than others when this combination presents. Does Mazin favor certain asthma / Lung medicinals over others? -Jason Acupuncture www.ChineseMedicine Doc.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 19, 2010 let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin. , trevor erikson <trevor_erikson wrote: > > Jason, > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently severe one. > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles. > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall better effectiveness than the steroid. > Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties. > I hope some of this helps, > Trevor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 19, 2010 Dan Shen or Dang shen? On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, verhaeghe_tom < tom.verhaeghe wrote: > > > let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. > For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang > qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA > patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin. > > > --- In <%40>, > trevor erikson <trevor_erikson wrote: > > > > Jason, > > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be > frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better > to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently > severe one. > > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is > primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma > symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great > effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a > Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles. > > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last > year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the > treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and > Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall > better effectiveness than the steroid. > > Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a > strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects > > > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic > conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties. > > I hope some of this helps, > > Trevor > > > -- David Bell L.Ac. Portland Maine Acupuncture (207)228-4262 205 concord st Portland Maine 04103 www.portlandmaineacupuncture.com portlandmaineacupuncture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 19, 2010 Dan Shen, salvia, is good for both asthma and eczema. Being able to cool the blood, it helps reduce the erythema of the eczema. In chronic enduring disease, like asthma, there has the potential to have stasis, Dan shen's ability to quicken the blood can then be of good benefit. --- On Mon, 4/19/10, David Bell Lic.Ac <healingherbsandpoints wrote: David Bell Lic.Ac <healingherbsandpoints Re: Re: Atopic eczema Received: Monday, April 19, 2010, 5:55 PM Dan Shen or Dang shen? On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, verhaeghe_tom < tom.verhaeghe wrote: > > > let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. > For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang > qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA > patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to Mazin. > > > --- In <%40>, > trevor erikson <trevor_erikson wrote: > > > > Jason, > > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be > frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better > to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently > severe one. > > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that is > primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma > symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great > effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a > Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles. > > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last > year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the > treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and > Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall > better effectiveness than the steroid. > > Â Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a > strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects > > > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic > conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties. > > I hope some of this helps, > > Trevor > > > -- David Bell L.Ac. Portland Maine Acupuncture (207)228-4262 205 concord st Portland Maine 04103 www.portlandmaineacupuncture.com portlandmaineacupuncture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Trevor, I agree, and in the past I have usually just treated the most pressing condition first (for AE/AA). However I am trying to tighten up my formulas and work on doing both at once. I have tried the kushen, gancao, and lingzhi combination for years now, with very mixed results. Di long is also a favorite asthma herb of mine, however I find it is really only effective if combined with other Lung medicinal. What have others found? Tom said, ¡°let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas.¡± I often use chantui, fangfeng, jingjie etc but I find these have little effect on the asthma. Do you guys find these(without Lung medicinals) reduce the asthma? Tom, are you saying that ¡°huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen¡± have helped your asthma patients? Again without any real Lung diffusing or descending medicinal? Does Mazin discuss this topic anywhere? Since I have a few patients right now with this condition, I am going to play around with different Lung medicinal (e.g. xing ren etc) and see what I come up with. Thanks all for the tips, -Jason > ---- > verhaeghe_tom <tom.verhaeghe > > Re: Atopic eczema > 19 Apr '10 14:43 > > let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. > For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang > qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA > patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas. Kudos to > Mazin. > > [LINK: %40] > , trevor erikson <trevor_erikson > wrote: > > > > Jason, > > Trying to treat both conditions at the same time can sometimes be > frustrating with results not being totally satisfactory. It is often better > to focus in one of the conditions at a time, usually the more presently > severe one. > > That being said though, some herbs are good to add into a formula that > is primarily treating eczema, that will also help alleviate the asthma > symptoms. The best one I know of is Ku Shen. Many already know its great > effects at stopping itch, but many do not know how powerful it is as a > Beta-receptor agonist that can strongly dilate the bronchioles. > > Actual a study appeared in the journal allergy and autoimmunity last > year, whereby prednisone was compared with a mixture of three herbs for the > treatment of allergic asthma. The three herbs were Ling Zhi, Ku Shen, and > Gan Cao. The results of the study were very good, showing possible overall > better effectiveness than the steroid. > > 0‡0„1¤7 Di long is also an excellent herb to add into the mix as it also a > strong bronchial dilator, as well as having good anti-allergy effects > > Chan Tui is another good herb that is useful for all atopic/ allergic > conditions. It has strong wind dissipating and anti-allergy properties. > > I hope some of this helps, > > Trevor > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 , " " wrote: > Tom said, ¡°let's not forget fang feng, besides chan tui and ku shen. Jing jie as well. For chronic stages or in the recovery stage of AE or AA, the combo of huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen really does wonders. I have had several AE/AA patients that did very well on these consolidating formulas.¡± > > I often use chantui, fangfeng, jingjie etc but I find these have little effect on the asthma. Do you guys find these(without Lung medicinals) reduce the asthma? Tom, are you saying that ¡°huang qi, ling zhi and dan shen¡± have helped your asthma patients? Again without any real Lung diffusing or descending medicinal? Does Mazin discuss this topic anywhere? > > nope, not without other medicinals and only in the remission stage (or almost there). here's an example of a formula I used with success to subdue chronic asthma: Ma huang 15 Huang qi 30 Ling zhi 24 Huang qin 15 Yu xing cao 24 She gan 12 Jie geng 12 Xing ren 12 Di long 15 Chan tui 12 Ku shen 12 Ban xia 12 Chen pi 12 Xi xin 3 Wu wei zi 9 Gan cao 6 I did some jia-jian along the way, for example later adding 30g of dan shen I used kpc granules, as I always do.. regards, Tom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
