H. pylori formula

[Guest guest]

For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for you.

After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

(dosage is for 1 weeks)

huang lian 64 g

wu zhu yu 7 g

bai hua she she cao 210

gan cao 21

chuan xin lian 45

chuan lian zi 40

yan hu suo 40

fo shou 40

bai shao 50

da zao 10 pc

 

I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of months.

Your comments are welcome too.

 

 

 

Lola

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

is the Bai hua she she cao dosage written correctly- did you mean 21 grams? Was

this raw?

Doug

 

 

, " Lola Fox-Rabinovich, L.Ac. "

<lolafox wrote:

>

> For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for you.

> After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

> (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> huang lian 64 g

> wu zhu yu 7 g

> bai hua she she cao 210

> gan cao 21

> chuan xin lian 45

> chuan lian zi 40

> yan hu suo 40

> fo shou 40

> bai shao 50

> da zao 10 pc

>

> I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of

months. Your comments are welcome too.

>

>

>

> Lola

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doug-

I wasn't in clinic, so I don't know about the bhssc dose ( it seems like it is

a typo) , but just to be clear: In the herb clinic at Tai, we make large bags of

herbs that last one week. so the doses are 3x higher than the usual package of

herbs.

 

 

 

Cara

 

On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:39 AM, wrote:

 

> is the Bai hua she she cao dosage written correctly- did you mean 21 grams?

Was this raw?

> Doug

>

> , " Lola Fox-Rabinovich, L.Ac. "

<lolafox wrote:

> >

> > For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for

you.

> > After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

> > (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> > huang lian 64 g

> > wu zhu yu 7 g

> > bai hua she she cao 210

> > gan cao 21

> > chuan xin lian 45

> > chuan lian zi 40

> > yan hu suo 40

> > fo shou 40

> > bai shao 50

> > da zao 10 pc

> >

> > I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of

months. Your comments are welcome too.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lola

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have found many times herbs (after cooked) start to go bad after about 6

days (refrigerated). Making 1 week of herbs, it seems people might extend

this past 6 or 7 days. For example, some people always just don't finish

their herbs on time. Bacteria seems like it may be a problem in such

situations.

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of cara

Monday, April 12, 2010 4:45 AM

 

Re: Re: H. pylori formula

 

Doug-

I wasn't in clinic, so I don't know about the bhssc dose ( it seems like it

is a typo) , but just to be clear: In the herb clinic at Tai, we make large

bags of herbs that last one week. so the doses are 3x higher than the usual

package of herbs.

 

 

 

Cara

 

On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:39 AM, wrote:

[Guest guest]

Bai hua she she cao is Raw, the dosage is not a typo, this is a weekly dose as

Cara wrote.

I was surprised about the dosage too.

Sent from my iPhone

 

..

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

if the tea is in the fridge, I really haven't seen a problem for a week or even

longer. I think the quality may degrade somewhat, but it's a fair tradeoff for

the level of compliance that we get. Even I wouldn't cook herbs daily or every

other day. I'm too busy!

 

Cara

 

On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:42 AM, wrote:

 

> I have found many times herbs (after cooked) start to go bad after about 6

> days (refrigerated). Making 1 week of herbs, it seems people might extend

> this past 6 or 7 days. For example, some people always just don't finish

> their herbs on time. Bacteria seems like it may be a problem in such

> situations.

>

> -Jason

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of cara

> Monday, April 12, 2010 4:45 AM

>

> Re: Re: H. pylori formula

>

> Doug-

> I wasn't in clinic, so I don't know about the bhssc dose ( it seems like it

> is a typo) , but just to be clear: In the herb clinic at Tai, we make large

> bags of herbs that last one week. so the doses are 3x higher than the usual

> package of herbs.

>

> Cara

>

> On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:39 AM, wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Not that it always happens, but for some there will bacterial growth. I had

one patient vomit after drinking them (about 8 days old), but she did report

remembering some film growing on the top. But I agree it helps compliance. I

just tell the patient they must drink them in 6-7 days (tops). This also

helps compliance (because they don't spread them out), because they don't

want them to go bad.

 

-Jason

 

 

 

On Behalf Of cara

Monday, April 12, 2010 3:40 PM

 

Re: Re: H. pylori formula

 

if the tea is in the fridge, I really haven't seen a problem for a week or

even longer. I think the quality may degrade somewhat, but it's a fair

tradeoff for the level of compliance that we get. Even I wouldn't cook herbs

daily or every other day. I'm too busy!

 

Cara

 

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[Guest guest]

I am Currently in Chengdu studying while on break between semesters at PCOM,

and have some information you may find interesting. I saw a gastritis patient

with H Pylori and the doctor prescribed Wen Dan Tang plus Chai Hu Shu Gan San.

Thinking back on this thread I asked which herbs, if any, were to treat the H.

Pylori. She responded (via translator) that it was from her clinical experience

and not any study; but pointed to Ban Zhi Lian (12) Hou Xiang (15), and Pu Gong

Yin (30g). I'm unfamiliar with Ban Zhi Lian but 99% sure that the pinyan is

correct. I can clarify on Friday if you wish. Hope this helps.

 

Lucas B

 

, " Lola Fox-Rabinovich, L.Ac. "

<lolafox wrote:

>

> For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for you.

> After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

> (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> huang lian 64 g

> wu zhu yu 7 g

> bai hua she she cao 210

> gan cao 21

> chuan xin lian 45

> chuan lian zi 40

> yan hu suo 40

> fo shou 40

> bai shao 50

> da zao 10 pc

>

> I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of

months. Your comments are welcome too.

>

>

>

> Lola

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good going. Let us know if you have a chance to see the results from the

patient. Meanwhile, Ban Zhi Lian is a pretty standard anti-cancer herb. Here is

a story from Time magazine of all places. I wonder if anyone on CHA has an

update as to the study described here.

 

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1671684,00.html

 

Doug

 

, " LucasB " <ldanielb wrote:

>

> I am Currently in Chengdu studying while on break between semesters at PCOM,

and have some information you may find interesting. I saw a gastritis patient

with H Pylori and the doctor prescribed Wen Dan Tang plus Chai Hu Shu Gan San.

Thinking back on this thread I asked which herbs, if any, were to treat the H.

Pylori. She responded (via translator) that it was from her clinical experience

and not any study; but pointed to Ban Zhi Lian (12) Hou Xiang (15), and Pu Gong

Yin (30g). I'm unfamiliar with Ban Zhi Lian but 99% sure that the pinyan is

correct. I can clarify on Friday if you wish. Hope this helps.

>

> Lucas B

>

> , " Lola Fox-Rabinovich, L.Ac. "

<lolafox@> wrote:

> >

> > For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for

you.

> > After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

> > (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> > huang lian 64 g

> > wu zhu yu 7 g

> > bai hua she she cao 210

> > gan cao 21

> > chuan xin lian 45

> > chuan lian zi 40

> > yan hu suo 40

> > fo shou 40

> > bai shao 50

> > da zao 10 pc

> >

> > I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of

months. Your comments are welcome too.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lola

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe it is the basis for the BioNovo " Bezielle " anti-cancer drug...

 

http://bionovo.com/pipeline/bzl101breastcancer

 

Cheers

Neil

 

 

 

wrote:

 

>

>

> Good going. Let us know if you have a chance to see the results from

> the patient. Meanwhile, Ban Zhi Lian is a pretty standard anti-cancer

> herb. Here is a story from Time magazine of all places. I wonder if

> anyone on CHA has an update as to the study described here.

>

> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1671684,00.html

> <http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1671684,00.html>

>

> Doug

>

>

> <%40>, " LucasB " <ldanielb

> wrote:

> >

> > I am Currently in Chengdu studying while on break between semesters

> at PCOM, and have some information you may find interesting. I saw a

> gastritis patient with H Pylori and the doctor prescribed Wen Dan Tang

> plus Chai Hu Shu Gan San. Thinking back on this thread I asked which

> herbs, if any, were to treat the H. Pylori. She responded (via

> translator) that it was from her clinical experience and not any

> study; but pointed to Ban Zhi Lian (12) Hou Xiang (15), and Pu Gong

> Yin (30g). I'm unfamiliar with Ban Zhi Lian but 99% sure that the

> pinyan is correct. I can clarify on Friday if you wish. Hope this helps.

> >

> > Lucas B

> >

> >

> <%40>, " Lola Fox-Rabinovich,

> L.Ac. " <lolafox@> wrote:

> > >

> > > For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an

> update for you.

> > > After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin

> Wan was modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori

> formula is:

> > > (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> > > huang lian 64 g

> > > wu zhu yu 7 g

> > > bai hua she she cao 210

> > > gan cao 21

> > > chuan xin lian 45

> > > chuan lian zi 40

> > > yan hu suo 40

> > > fo shou 40

> > > bai shao 50

> > > da zao 10 pc

> > >

> > > I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a

> couple of months. Your comments are welcome too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lola

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Lucas,

 

Ban Zhi Lian is in the family of Huang Qin to the best of recollection.  

It is a Dui Yao which is often used with bai hua she she cao in formulas that

treat toxic damp heat as in patients with cancer, tumors or undergoing

radiation therapy.

 

A good friend of mine spent a year studying in Chengdu.  He said it was

wonderful and misses it very much!  Hope your experience is likewise.

 

respectfully, 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

LucasB <ldanielb

 

Mon, April 19, 2010 5:12:52 PM

Re: H. pylori formula

 

 

I am Currently in Chengdu studying while on break between semesters at PCOM, and

have some information you may find interesting. I saw a gastritis patient with H

Pylori and the doctor prescribed Wen Dan Tang plus Chai Hu Shu Gan San. Thinking

back on this thread I asked which herbs, if any, were to treat the H. Pylori.

She responded (via translator) that it was from her clinical experience and not

any study; but pointed to Ban Zhi Lian (12) Hou Xiang (15), and Pu Gong Yin

(30g). I'm unfamiliar with Ban Zhi Lian but 99% sure that the pinyan is correct.

I can clarify on Friday if you wish. Hope this helps.

 

Lucas B

 

, " Lola Fox-Rabinovich, L.Ac. "

<lolafox > wrote:

>

> For those of you following the h. pylori discussion, i have an update for you.

> After talking to a Chinese teacher in our student clinic, Zuo Jin Wan was

modified to increase its potency and the resulting h. pylori formula is:

> (dosage is for 1 weeks)

> huang lian 64 g

> wu zhu yu 7 g

> bai hua she she cao 210

> gan cao 21

> chuan xin lian 45

> chuan lian zi 40

> yan hu suo 40

> fo shou 40

> bai shao 50

> da zao 10 pc

>

> I am taking it now and will be happy to report the result in a couple of

months. Your comments are welcome too.

>

>

>

> Lola

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

 

I found a recent paper on Ban Zhi Lian as anti-cancer agent (by

bionovo). They used an extract rather than raw herb. I uploaded it to

the " files " section of the as " banzhilian.pdf "

 

This will get you directly to it (assuming you are logged in to )

 

http://tinyurl.com/y4pq2hk

 

Cheers

Neil

[Guest guest]

The tinyurl didn't work for me but the paper is, as you say, in the files

sections under banzhilian.pdf.

 

Doug

 

 

>

> I found a recent paper on Ban Zhi Lian as anti-cancer agent (by

> bionovo). They used an extract rather than raw herb. I uploaded it to

> the " files " section of the as " banzhilian.pdf "

>

> This will get you directly to it (assuming you are logged in to )

>

> http://tinyurl.com/y4pq2hk

>

> Cheers

> Neil

>