Packing it in (again)

[Guest guest]

I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years. However,

being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first Tibetan month, a month

in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all karma, whether good or bad, is

multiplied 100,000 times, I'm actually taking a vow not to come here again. So

this message is a final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here. When I

hit the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

 

In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong with this

forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you know, last year I

retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My root Guru passed after

spending the last 15 years of his life in life-time retreat. Ever since, I have

been thinking of the Buddhist teachings on death and impermanence more and more.

So, as my time in this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to

spend more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted by

discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never wanted me to

study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but because they felt it would

be a distraction from my meditation. Looking back, I believe they were

absolutely right (for me). As H.H. the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching

to himself, at the moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including

medicine) are as useless as the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

 

Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck & best

wishes.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Is it sunrise or a sunset? It's a thought I can see.

happiness to you Bob

 

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, pemachophel2001 <bob wrote:

 

pemachophel2001 <bob

Packing it in (again)

 

Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 8:34 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years.

However, being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first Tibetan month,

a month in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all karma, whether good or bad,

is multiplied 100,000 times, I'm actually taking a vow not to come here again.

So this message is a final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here.

When I hit the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

 

 

 

In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong with this

forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you know, last year I

retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My root Guru passed after

spending the last 15 years of his life in life-time retreat. Ever since, I have

been thinking of the Buddhist teachings on death and impermanence more and more.

So, as my time in this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to

spend more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted by

discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never wanted me to

study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but because they felt it would

be a distraction from my meditation. Looking back, I believe they were

absolutely right (for me). As H.H. the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching

to himself, at the moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including

medicine) are as useless as the horns of a deer

(at the moment of its death).

 

 

 

Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck & best

wishes.

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Take care....

Doug

 

 

 

, " pemachophel2001 " <bob wrote:

>

> I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years. However,

being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first Tibetan month, a month

in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all karma, whether good or bad, is

multiplied 100,000 times, I'm actually taking a vow not to come here again. So

this message is a final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here. When I

hit the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

>

> In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong with this

forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you know, last year I

retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My root Guru passed after

spending the last 15 years of his life in life-time retreat. Ever since, I have

been thinking of the Buddhist teachings on death and impermanence more and more.

So, as my time in this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to

spend more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted by

discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never wanted me to

study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but because they felt it would

be a distraction from my meditation. Looking back, I believe they were

absolutely right (for me). As H.H. the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching

to himself, at the moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including

medicine) are as useless as the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

>

> Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck & best

wishes.

>

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sad to see Bob go, though I certainly don't want to see his Karmic

entanglements multiplied 100,000 times, so I wish him well.

 

I'm sorry to see Bob go, because I believe that had a teacher and scholar of

his stature been willing to discuss my interpretations of *Neijing* on their

merits, such discussion could have benefited both my understanding and

contributed toward advancing our profession. I guess we'll all have to

continue our paths toward expanding and deepening our relationships with

Chinese medicine without his counsel.

 

Steve

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, wrote:

 

>

>

> Take care....

> Doug

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> " pemachophel2001 " <bob wrote:

> >

> > I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years.

> However, being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first Tibetan

> month, a month in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all karma, whether

> good or bad, is multiplied 100,000 times, I'm actually taking a vow not to

> come here again. So this message is a final goodbye to all my friends and

> acquaintances here. When I hit the " send " button to this message, that's it,

> finito, no mas.

> >

> > In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong with

> this forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you know, last

> year I retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My root Guru passed

> after spending the last 15 years of his life in life-time retreat. Ever

> since, I have been thinking of the Buddhist teachings on death and

> impermanence more and more. So, as my time in this precious human body is

> quickly running out, I want to spend more time in the nature of mind

> (sem-nyid) and less time distracted by discursive thoughts (little-m mind).

> Frankly, my teachers never wanted me to study Chinese medicine. Not because

> it is Chinese but because they felt it would be a distraction from my

> meditation. Looking back, I believe they were absolutely right (for me). As

> H.H. the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching to himself, at the moment

> of death, the five worldly sciences (including medicine) are as useless as

> the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

> >

> > Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck &

> best wishes.

> >

> > Bob

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

well, Bob, there's always sudoku.

 

yi lu ping an!

ann

 

On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:34 AM, pemachophel2001 wrote:

 

> I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years.

> However, being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first

> Tibetan month, a month in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all

> karma, whether good or bad, is multiplied 100,000 times, I'm

> actually taking a vow not to come here again. So this message is a

> final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here. When I hit

> the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

>

> In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong

> with this forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you

> know, last year I retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My

> root Guru passed after spending the last 15 years of his life in

> life-time retreat. Ever since, I have been thinking of the Buddhist

> teachings on death and impermanence more and more. So, as my time in

> this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to spend

> more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted

> by discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never

> wanted me to study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but

> because they felt it would be a distraction from my meditation.

> Looking back, I believe they were absolutely right (for me). As H.H.

> the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching to himself, at the

> moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including medicine) are

> as useless as the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

>

> Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck

> & best wishes.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

see you on the forum again after the metal tiger year

nothing is permanent

Tashi delek _

3~

 

K

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, A. Brameier <snakeoil.workswrote:

 

> well, Bob, there's always sudoku.

>

> yi lu ping an!

> ann

>

> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:34 AM, pemachophel2001 wrote:

>

> > I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years.

> > However, being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first

> > Tibetan month, a month in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all

> > karma, whether good or bad, is multiplied 100,000 times, I'm

> > actually taking a vow not to come here again. So this message is a

> > final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here. When I hit

> > the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

> >

> > In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong

> > with this forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you

> > know, last year I retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My

> > root Guru passed after spending the last 15 years of his life in

> > life-time retreat. Ever since, I have been thinking of the Buddhist

> > teachings on death and impermanence more and more. So, as my time in

> > this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to spend

> > more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted

> > by discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never

> > wanted me to study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but

> > because they felt it would be a distraction from my meditation.

> > Looking back, I believe they were absolutely right (for me). As H.H.

> > the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching to himself, at the

> > moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including medicine) are

> > as useless as the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

> >

> > Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck

> > & best wishes.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nothing is neither good nor bad, it is your mind that makes it good or

bad...

 

Its all Anicca - impermanence...

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, A. Brameier <snakeoil.workswrote:

 

> well, Bob, there's always sudoku.

>

> yi lu ping an!

> ann

>

> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:34 AM, pemachophel2001 wrote:

>

> > I've said goodbye to this forum several times in the past few years.

> > However, being that it is the 10th day (of the Guru) of the first

> > Tibetan month, a month in which Tibetan Buddhists believe that all

> > karma, whether good or bad, is multiplied 100,000 times, I'm

> > actually taking a vow not to come here again. So this message is a

> > final goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances here. When I hit

> > the " send " button to this message, that's it, finito, no mas.

> >

> > In saying goodbye, let me hasten to say that there's nothing wrong

> > with this forum. It's my own mental reaction to it. As some of you

> > know, last year I retired from teaching to go into semi-retreat. My

> > root Guru passed after spending the last 15 years of his life in

> > life-time retreat. Ever since, I have been thinking of the Buddhist

> > teachings on death and impermanence more and more. So, as my time in

> > this precious human body is quickly running out, I want to spend

> > more time in the nature of mind (sem-nyid) and less time distracted

> > by discursive thoughts (little-m mind). Frankly, my teachers never

> > wanted me to study Chinese medicine. Not because it is Chinese but

> > because they felt it would be a distraction from my meditation.

> > Looking back, I believe they were absolutely right (for me). As H.H.

> > the late Dudjom Rinpoche said in a teaching to himself, at the

> > moment of death, the five worldly sciences (including medicine) are

> > as useless as the horns of a deer (at the moment of its death).

> >

> > Any way, this is why I'm absenting myself from this forum. Good luck

> > & best wishes.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Steven Alpern <stevenalpern

wrote:

> I'm sorry to see Bob go, because I believe that had a teacher and scholar of

> his stature been willing to discuss my interpretations of *Neijing* on their

> merits, such discussion could have benefited both my understanding and

> contributed toward advancing our profession.

 

I am not a Neijing scholar by any means, but I have plenty of Neijing editions,

a Neijing-specific dictionary, and a couple commentaries around to use as

resources. In fact, you can get the whole Neijing right here for convenient

digital searches (this first one is Suwen, Lingshu is on another link at an

adjacent page, along with hundreds of other classics in full-text, searchable

form):

 

http://www.zysj.com.cn/lilunshuji/huangdisuwen/index.html

 

http://www.zysj.com.cn/lilunshuji/lbindex.html#%E6%9C%AC%E8%8D%89

 

While our list may have relatively few Neijing scholars, there are a bunch of

people here that read Chinese that would be happy to give you feedback on your

interpretation of a given passage. There are plenty of experts and books to go

to if we need more advanced resources. If Neijing interpretation is your thing,

just go to that website, find the section of interest in the Neijing, and paste

in the Chinese passage and your interpretation of it. People will give you

feedback. This is what people that research Chinese classics do all day long.

Don't send the reader to dig through archived messages and whole chapters of the

Neijing to try to figure out what you are talking about, paste it in and then we

will all have a common frame of reference.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

oooops. It seems zysj.com.cn has fallen off the world wide interweb. I used to

be able to use this link months before. If anyone finds another resource let us

know.

Doug

 

 

, " smilinglotus " <smilinglotus

wrote:

>

>

>

> http://www.zysj.com.cn/lilunshuji/huangdisuwen/index.html

>

> http://www.zysj.com.cn/lilunshuji/lbindex.html#%E6%9C%AC%E8%8D%89

 

> Eric

>

[Guest guest]

Good advice, thanks Bob!

Practicing healing arts is *only* useful inasmuch as we are able to see

ourselves helping other people as best as we can, but again is *only* useful if

we practice with wisdom and dedicate the merits.

In other words, the herbs, needles, and bodywork don't function independently,

they only function because we have the karma to see them function.

 

- Mojohito

[Guest guest]

Hi! Doug,

Here is the website: http://zysj.com.cn/zhongyaocai/index.html

 

Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA, MPH

Johns Hopkins Community Physicians

Wyman Park Internal Medicine

Tel 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413

 

Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine

Tel 410-522-9940 Fax 410-522-9954

 

WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information sent by

e-mail may not remain confidential.

 

[Guest guest]

Eric,

 

Thanks for trying to provide that resource. However, study of Neijing is not

and never has been quite that simple. Years ago, Nathan Sivin wrote a

wonderful little piece about the four stages of transmission of medical

texts from material that was written during the early Han Dynasty; Unschuld

also notes (as you say) that study of CM was never simply reading. It was

much more deep pondering to discern the thinking process. As I've written

earlier in this thread, modern style scholarship alone won't penetrate the

depths.

 

Steve

[Guest guest]

This still doesn't work for me.Am I banned in China? Any others able to get this

site?

Doug

 

 

, Ta-Ya Lee <tlee19 wrote:

>

> Hi! Doug,

> Here is the website: http://zysj.com.cn/zhongyaocai/index.html

>

> Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA, MPH

> Johns Hopkins Community Physicians

> Wyman Park Internal Medicine

> Tel 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413

>

> Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine

> Tel 410-522-9940 Fax 410-522-9954

>

> WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information sent by

e-mail may not remain confidential.

>

[Guest guest]

i tested the link just now... it's an all Chinese site, but the page

came up. Slow load at the moment, but I'm listening to something else

online at the same time.

 

On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:00 PM, wrote:

 

> This still doesn't work for me.Am I banned in China? Any others able

> to get this site?

> Doug

>

> , Ta-Ya Lee <tlee19

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi! Doug,

> > Here is the website: http://zysj.com.cn/zhongyaocai/index.html

> >

> > Ta-Ya Lee, MSN, CRNP, MAc, LAc, MBA, MPH

> > Johns Hopkins Community Physicians

> > Wyman Park Internal Medicine

> > Tel 410-338-3421 Fax 410-338-3413

> >

> > Canton Crossing Integrative Medicine

> > Tel 410-522-9940 Fax 410-522-9954

> >

> > WARNING: E-mail sent over the Internet is not secure. Information

> sent by e-mail may not remain confidential.

> >

[Guest guest]

Doug,

 

I am in China (Nanjing) and the website opens with no problems here. Thanks for

sharing it. It is great!

 

David

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's odd, at home no matter what computer or browser use, wireless or connected,

those websites won't come through but here, on another wireless network on the

same computer I get them.

Doug

 

 

, David Klatt <daodeyao wrote:

>

> Doug,

>

> I am in China (Nanjing) and the website opens with no problems here. Thanks

for sharing it. It is great!

>

> David

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

do you think it has to do w/ the speed of the connection?

The page is a slow loader.

 

On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:35 PM, wrote:

 

> It's odd, at home no matter what computer or browser use, wireless

> or connected, those websites won't come through but here, on another

> wireless network on the same computer I get them.

> Doug

>

> , David Klatt

> <daodeyao wrote:

> >

> > Doug,

> >

> > I am in China (Nanjing) and the website opens with no problems

> here. Thanks for sharing it. It is great!

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> >

> >